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"words of truth" |
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02 Sep 2005 02:06:23 PM |
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The Anti-Catholic Obsession of Liberals |
The Anti-Catholic Obsession of Liberals
Nicholas Kristof is a liberal non-Catholic, and apparently
ex-Christian, columnist for the N.Y. Times who is again signaling his
anti-Catholic obsession in today's issue of the N.Y. Times. Kristof and
others want the Catholic Church to say "uncle" on condoms. It is not
enough, as Kristof loves to point out, that he can find individual
Catholics who favor and distribute condoms. Kristof will not be
satisfied with that. He wants the Catholic Church, the cardinals, the
Pope to embrace condoms and any other form of contraception with open
arms and to distribute condoms themselves. This is the liberal
obsession.
The liberals are shrewd enough to know that, if the Catholic Church
embraces contraception, the Catholic Church will have been domesticated
and tamed into being just another harmless liberal denomination. If
contraception is embraced, then no one can argue against sexual
activity unhinged from procreative marriage. The free-wheeling Western
lifestyle of free prostitution for everyone will have been ratified.
The currently favored wedge now being used incessantly to promote this
destruction of the Catholic Church is the AIDS crisis in Catholic areas
of Latin America and Africa. The AIDS crisis really and obviously
points to the unnatural character of promiscuity, whether homosexual or
heterosexual. But, instead, the liberals want to turn the lesson of
AIDS on its head and argue that the AIDS crisis means that we should
forget about chastity once and for all.
In his column today in the N.Y. Times, Kristof is arguing that, if the
Catholic Church does not embrace condoms, then there will be a schism
in Latin American Catholicism on a par with the Protestant Reformation
in sixteenth century Europe. There will be no schism, Kristof's
feverish imagination notwithstanding. Latin Catholics unhappy with the
Catholic Church will become fundamentalist Protestant evangelicals, as
they have been doing so for decades. And they have been doing so not
because of the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church but rather
because of the very lack of such forceful and vibrant traditional
teaching. Kristof, like most liberals, has it exactly backwards when he
argues that more moral liberalism is the solution to the disenchantment
of people with moral liberalism.
In addition, Kristof shows no feel for the Latin temperament. Even if
the Latin Catholic does not follow all Church teaching in his or her
personal life, the Latin Catholic knows that one's inevitable and all
too human lapses cannot become the standard of moral truth. In
contrast, the non-Latin Western mentality has a compulsion for official
recognition, legislation, and codification of immorality, a complusion
that cannot rest. The Latin culture, by and large, does not share that
compulsion.
Not surprisingly, Kristof has no inkling that the Catholic Church is
not a corporation governed by the latest demographic scenarios
projected by newspaper scribblers and academics. Providence is in
control. History casts grave doubt on the scare tactics of Kristof and
others intent on destroying the Catholic Church. As Luther was nailing
his 95 Theses on the church door in old Germany in 1517, divine
providence had already provided the Catholic answer: the New World
discovered by Columbus a scant 25 years earlier would become the home
of the largest concentration of Catholics in the world.
And so today while liberal secularists like Kristof look for a Latin
schism in the Catholic Church, divine providence likely has other
things in mind. Just as Columbus discovered a New World that
compensated for the loss of millions in the Protestant Reformation, as
we speak, other "discoveries" are likely taking place that compensate
for the scare tactic scenario concocted by Kristof. Could a Catholicism
renewed charismatically with a greater biblical emphasis and with truly
joyful worship be that new discovery? Will a Catholicism that combines
the best of the vibrant worship and biblical emphasis of Pentecostalism
with the beauty of traditional Catholic liturgy be the new thing God
has in store for us? God is full of surprises, and it is reasonable to
expect that He has more surprises in store for us, as He did for the
old and disenchanted Europe of Martin Luther.
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04 Sep 2005 06:20:51 AM |
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
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The Anti-Catholic Obsession of Liberals
Nicholas Kristof is a liberal non-Catholic, and apparently
ex-Christian, columnist for the N.Y. Times who is again signaling his
anti-Catholic obsession in today's issue of the N.Y. Times. Kristof and
others want the Catholic Church to say "uncle" on condoms.
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and think
that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
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| User: "J Young" |
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04 Sep 2005 11:36:51 AM |
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Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and think
that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families. Countries
where immorality and sexual deviance prosper are where you will find
the largest percent of condom usage.
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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08 Sep 2005 01:06:40 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and think
that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families. Countries
where immorality and sexual deviance prosper are where you will find
the largest percent of condom usage.
Ireland is now a rich country, and they think the pope is a ***** too!
I get my figure from non IslamoChristian sources!
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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08 Sep 2005 08:55:35 PM |
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In article <dfpujl$hjg$1@usenet.otenet.gr>, "Goodness Godless"
<cla@cwcom.net> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1125851811.482496.114800@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and think
that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families. Countries
where immorality and sexual deviance prosper are where you will find
the largest percent of condom usage.
Ireland is now a rich country, and they think the pope is a ***** too!
• The last staw for Irish Catholics was the discovery that the church's
head prelate in Ireland was himself buggering altar-boys.
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| User: "Joshua Calvert" |
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08 Sep 2005 09:04:36 PM |
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(€€R.L.Measures) wrote in
news:r_-0809051855350001@192.168.1.100:
In article <dfpujl$hjg$1@usenet.otenet.gr>, "Goodness Godless"
<cla@cwcom.net> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1125851811.482496.114800@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and
think that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families. Countries
where immorality and sexual deviance prosper are where you will find
the largest percent of condom usage.
Ireland is now a rich country, and they think the pope is a ***** too!
• The last staw for Irish Catholics was the discovery that the
church's head prelate in Ireland was himself buggering altar-boys.
The Holy Document of Vatican Law allows priests to do this.
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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09 Sep 2005 05:47:09 AM |
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In article <Xns96CBC2101CE28joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>, Joshua
Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote:
r_@somis.org (€€R.L.Measures) wrote in
news:r_-0809051855350001@192.168.1.100:
In article <dfpujl$hjg$1@usenet.otenet.gr>, "Goodness Godless"
<cla@cwcom.net> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1125851811.482496.114800@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and
think that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families. Countries
where immorality and sexual deviance prosper are where you will find
the largest percent of condom usage.
Ireland is now a rich country, and they think the pope is a ***** too!
• The last staw for Irish Catholics was the discovery that the
church's head prelate in Ireland was himself buggering altar-boys.
The Holy Document of Vatican Law allows priests to do this.
• show me.
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| User: "Joshua Calvert" |
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09 Sep 2005 12:11:35 PM |
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(€€R.L.Measures) wrote in news:r_-0909050347090001@
192.168.1.100:
In article <Xns96CBC2101CE28joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>, Joshua
Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote:
(€€R.L.Measures) wrote in
news:r_-0809051855350001@192.168.1.100:
In article <dfpujl$hjg$1@usenet.otenet.gr>, "Goodness Godless"
<cla@cwcom.net> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1125851811.482496.114800@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and
think that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families. Countries
where immorality and sexual deviance prosper are where you will find
the largest percent of condom usage.
Ireland is now a rich country, and they think the pope is a ***** too!
• The last staw for Irish Catholics was the discovery that the
church's head prelate in Ireland was himself buggering altar-boys.
The Holy Document of Vatican Law allows priests to do this.
• show me.
Watch South Park episode 608 - Red Hot Catholic Love
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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09 Sep 2005 01:53:24 PM |
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In article <Xns96CC67AD1FB41joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>, Joshua
Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote:
r_@somis.org (€€R.L.Measures) wrote in news:r_-0909050347090001@
192.168.1.100:
In article <Xns96CBC2101CE28joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>, Joshua
Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote:
r_@somis.org (€€R.L.Measures) wrote in
news:r_-0809051855350001@192.168.1.100:
In article <dfpujl$hjg$1@usenet.otenet.gr>, "Goodness Godless"
<cla@cwcom.net> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1125851811.482496.114800@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and
think that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families. Countries
where immorality and sexual deviance prosper are where you will find
the largest percent of condom usage.
Ireland is now a rich country, and they think the pope is a ***** too!
• The last staw for Irish Catholics was the discovery that the
church's head prelate in Ireland was himself buggering altar-boys.
The Holy Document of Vatican Law allows priests to do this.
• show me.
Watch South Park episode 608 - Red Hot Catholic Love
• a zero
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| User: "Joshua Calvert" |
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09 Sep 2005 01:56:06 PM |
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(€€R.L.Measures) wrote in
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In article <Xns96CC67AD1FB41joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>, Joshua
Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote:
(€€R.L.Measures) wrote in news:r_-0909050347090001@
192.168.1.100:
In article <Xns96CBC2101CE28joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>, Joshua
Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote:
(€€R.L.Measures) wrote in
news:r_-0809051855350001@192.168.1.100:
In article <dfpujl$hjg$1@usenet.otenet.gr>, "Goodness Godless"
<cla@cwcom.net> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1125851811.482496.114800@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives,
and think that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as
Ireland, Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large
families. Countries where immorality and sexual deviance prosper
are where you will find the largest percent of condom usage.
Ireland is now a rich country, and they think the pope is a *****
too!
• The last staw for Irish Catholics was the discovery that the
church's head prelate in Ireland was himself buggering altar-boys.
The Holy Document of Vatican Law allows priests to do this.
• show me.
Watch South Park episode 608 - Red Hot Catholic Love
• a zero
??
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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10 Sep 2005 03:52:00 AM |
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In article <Xns96CC796969A71joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>, Joshua
Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote:
r_@somis.org (€€R.L.Measures) wrote in
news:r_-0909051153240001@192.168.1.100:
In article <Xns96CC67AD1FB41joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>, Joshua
Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote:
r_@somis.org (€€R.L.Measures) wrote in news:r_-0909050347090001@
192.168.1.100:
In article <Xns96CBC2101CE28joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>, Joshua
Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote:
r_@somis.org (€€R.L.Measures) wrote in
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In article <dfpujl$hjg$1@usenet.otenet.gr>, "Goodness Godless"
<cla@cwcom.net> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1125851811.482496.114800@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives,
and think that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as
Ireland, Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large
families. Countries where immorality and sexual deviance prosper
are where you will find the largest percent of condom usage.
Ireland is now a rich country, and they think the pope is a *****
too!
• The last staw for Irish Catholics was the discovery that the
church's head prelate in Ireland was himself buggering altar-boys.
The Holy Document of Vatican Law allows priests to do this.
• show me.
Watch South Park episode 608 - Red Hot Catholic Love
• a zero
??
• It's fictional
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| User: "Joshua Calvert" |
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10 Sep 2005 12:11:40 PM |
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(€€R.L.Measures) wrote in news:r_-1009050152000001@
192.168.1.100:
• The last staw for Irish Catholics was the discovery that the
church's head prelate in Ireland was himself buggering altar-boys.
The Holy Document of Vatican Law allows priests to do this.
• show me.
Watch South Park episode 608 - Red Hot Catholic Love
• a zero
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• It's fictional
No kidding, loon. It was a joke.
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| User: "€€R.L.Measures" |
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10 Sep 2005 07:14:55 PM |
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In article <Xns96CD67B3FC9A8joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>, Joshua
Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote:
r_@somis.org (€€R.L.Measures) wrote in news:r_-1009050152000001@
192.168.1.100:
• The last staw for Irish Catholics was the discovery that the
church's head prelate in Ireland was himself buggering altar-boys.
The Holy Document of Vatican Law allows priests to do this.
• show me.
Watch South Park episode 608 - Red Hot Catholic Love
• a zero
??
• It's fictional
No kidding, loon. It was a joke.
• _____
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| User: "t1gercat" |
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08 Sep 2005 10:34:10 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and think
that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families. Countries
where immorality and sexual deviance prosper are where you will find
the largest percent of condom usage.
"Countries where immorality and sexual deviance prosper..." Have you
ever actually been to Brazil or the Phillipines, you ignorant *****? The
sex trade is a major industry in those countries. As for Ireland, as
the island has become prosperous, it has also become more secular and
the families less endowed with children. Condoms, byt the way, are
everywhere in the Emerald Isle.
Wexford
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| User: "thomas p" |
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05 Sep 2005 01:41:11 AM |
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On 4 Sep 2005 09:36:51 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and think
that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families. Countries
where immorality and sexual deviance prosper are where you will find
the largest percent of condom usage.
Nations in which people have plenty to eat, stable governments, fewer
cases of venereal diseases etc., nations not controlled by
superstition.
Ireland, that now has a thriving economy and a birth rate that is
beginning to fall, is also a country in which it has become easier to
obtain condoms. The other countries you mentioned suffer from
grinding poverty, high infant mortality, high rates of venereal
diseases, and corrupt government.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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04 Sep 2005 06:57:04 PM |
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in article 1125851811.482496.114800@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 9/4/05 12:36 PM:
Goodness Godless wrote:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and think
that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families.
And you WILL note that they are among the poorer countries...
Paul
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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04 Sep 2005 07:49:18 PM |
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80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and think
that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families.
And you WILL note that they are among the poorer countries...
Gee, Paul, you're right. Rich secular countries have lower birth rates,
most currently at sub-replacment levels. Poor, 'religious' countries
have higher rates, and it doesn't take a genius to predict what the
future holds. Natural selection in action... gotta love it.
H.
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15 Sep 2005 09:21:56 AM |
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in article 1125881358.721234.149630@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, Hugh
Betcha at wrote on 9/4/05 8:49 PM:
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and think
that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
Where did you get this figure from? Many countries such as Ireland,
Brazil, Phillipines, ect.. still produce large families.
And you WILL note that they are among the poorer countries...
Gee, Paul, you're right. Rich secular countries have lower birth rates,
most currently at sub-replacment levels. Poor, 'religious' countries
have higher rates, and it doesn't take a genius to predict what the
future holds. Natural selection in action... gotta love it.
H.
Only because you expect to have the masses of poor "religious"
bowing down to you...
Paul
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04 Sep 2005 09:27:04 AM |
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In article <dfelan$gee$1@usenet.otenet.gr>, "Goodness Godless"
<cla@cwcom.net> wrote:
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1125687983.119656.263360@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Anti-Catholic Obsession of Liberals
Nicholas Kristof is a liberal non-Catholic, and apparently
ex-Christian, columnist for the N.Y. Times who is again signaling his
anti-Catholic obsession in today's issue of the N.Y. Times. Kristof and
others want the Catholic Church to say "uncle" on condoms.
80% of Catholics in the 'Developed World' use contraceptives, and think
that the
Vatican is talking out of its backside.
• Anything that could possibly reduce the supply of cute altar-boys is
serious threat to the very existance of the Roman church.
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04 Sep 2005 02:39:03 PM |
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is all in your head
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04 Sep 2005 05:03:07 PM |
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In article <dffign$28j$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, "kathryn"
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is all in your head
Who?
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02 Sep 2005 03:33:30 PM |
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words of truth wrote:
The Anti-Catholic Obsession of Liberals
John Adams and Thomas Jefferson were anti-Catholic? Really? Can you
prove that?
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02 Sep 2005 03:29:38 PM |
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words of truth wrote:
The Anti-Catholic Obsession of Liberals
[snip]
Isn't the Catholic church fairly liberal?
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