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"theo" |
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15 Mar 2005 04:45:23 AM |
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The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
If the Earth was completely covered by water, then the water must have gone
to a depth of at least 8850 metres (the height of Mount Everest).
If that happened in 40 days and nights, then the water must have risen at an
average rate of 221.25 metres per day, or 9.21 metres per hour, or 15
centimetres per minute.
Rainfall of 15 centimetres (that's 6 inches) per minute would not drown you.
It would crush you.
By contrast, the wettest place on Earth today, Mount Waialeale, on the
island of Kauai in Hawaii, has rainfall of 1.16 metres (460 inches) per
YEAR. So the storm that caused the flood was dumping rain at nearly 70,000
times the rate of the rainiest place on Earth.
For 40 days and 40 nights. That's a lot of water. Noah must have had a job
keeping the Ark's decks dry.
Even more extraordinary is the evaporation that took all this water away in
just 150 days. What sort of surface temperature would be required to
evaporate all that water in that time? (Ignore the problem of where it went
to - that's just too hard)
Can anyone provide a calculation on that?
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 09:19:37 PM |
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"theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote in
news:1110883526.eb21cf69a4b8a99ec918d623a24fb80a@teranews:
If the Earth was completely covered by water, then the water must have
gone to a depth of at least 8850 metres (the height of Mount Everest).
If that happened in 40 days and nights, then the water must have risen
at an average rate of 221.25 metres per day, or 9.21 metres per hour,
or 15 centimetres per minute.
Rainfall of 15 centimetres (that's 6 inches) per minute would not
drown you. It would crush you.
By contrast, the wettest place on Earth today, Mount Waialeale, on the
island of Kauai in Hawaii, has rainfall of 1.16 metres (460 inches)
per YEAR. So the storm that caused the flood was dumping rain at
nearly 70,000 times the rate of the rainiest place on Earth.
For 40 days and 40 nights. That's a lot of water. Noah must have had
a job keeping the Ark's decks dry.
Even more extraordinary is the evaporation that took all this water
away in just 150 days. What sort of surface temperature would be
required to evaporate all that water in that time? (Ignore the
problem of where it went to - that's just too hard)
Can anyone provide a calculation on that?
I had the same question in t.o a year or so ago.
Supposedly, most of the water came from the 'fountains of the deep' and
the mountains/hills were much lower. Tectonics occurred after the flood
and raised the mountains.
Don't ask me, it sounds crazy to me too but that's what they say.
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apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 03:03:50 PM |
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If the Earth was completely covered by water, then ...
You might want to see the FAQ on the Flood, which covers much of the
ground you just eloquently did...
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 05:03:43 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:23 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote:
If the Earth was completely covered by water, then the water must have gone
to a depth of at least 8850 metres (the height of Mount Everest).
Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed many times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back together and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the surface.
If that happened in 40 days and nights, then the water must have risen at an
average rate of 221.25 metres per day, or 9.21 metres per hour, or 15
centimetres per minute.
Nope. It rose slowly and then fell slowly over a year's time, not 40 days.
Can anyone provide a calculation on that?
Talk to bud. She's a flat earth type.
duke
*****
Acts 2
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| User: "theo" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 05:26:51 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vvfd319gkt3j506fi4ovu9k3vme0elqc8b@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:23 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote:
Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed many
times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back together
and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the surface.
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years old, only
8000.
Nope. It rose slowly and then fell slowly over a year's time, not 40
days.
The waters rose over 40 days and nights.
Genesis 7:12: and rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
The 150 days is a bit less precise, 365 days might be an acceptable
alternative interpretation, at the absolute top end. The question remains:
how hot would it have to be to burn off that amount of water in that time?
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| User: "DaveJr" |
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15 Mar 2005 09:35:10 AM |
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Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed many
times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back
together
and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the surface.
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years old,
only
8000.
Nope. It rose slowly and then fell slowly over a year's time, not 40
days.
The waters rose over 40 days and nights.
Genesis 7:12: and rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
The 150 days is a bit less precise, 365 days might be an acceptable
alternative interpretation, at the absolute top end. The question
remains:
how hot would it have to be to burn off that amount of water in that time?
What about the 1.7 million known species of animals? Did noah put the
axolotls between the penguins and the tropical iguanas? Noah the croc
hunter? Haaaaa - it's laughable.
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 12:44:14 PM |
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DaveJr wrote:
Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed many
times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back
together
and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the surface.
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years old,
only
8000.
Nope. It rose slowly and then fell slowly over a year's time, not 40
days.
The waters rose over 40 days and nights.
Genesis 7:12: and rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
The 150 days is a bit less precise, 365 days might be an acceptable
alternative interpretation, at the absolute top end. The question
remains:
how hot would it have to be to burn off that amount of water in that time?
What about the 1.7 million known species of animals? Did noah put the
axolotls between the penguins and the tropical iguanas? Noah the croc
hunter? Haaaaa - it's laughable.
Ah, but he didn't have all 1.7 million. He only had
whole "kinds" you see, like two cats rather than
two lions, two cheetas, two panthers, etc.
After the ark those kinds diversified into all the
species we have today by evo... oops, dang, there
goes another idiot idea.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 04:06:19 PM |
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In article Graham Kennedy <graham@ditl.org> writes:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Graham Kennedy dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
What about the 1.7 million known species of animals? Did noah put the
axolotls between the penguins and the tropical iguanas? Noah the croc
hunter? Haaaaa - it's laughable.
Ah, but he didn't have all 1.7 million. He only had
whole "kinds" you see, like two cats rather than
two lions, two cheetas, two panthers, etc.
After the ark those kinds diversified into all the
species we have today by evo... oops, dang, there
goes another idiot idea.
It must have been divine evolution. ZAP! The cats diversify. But then
again, this begs the question, why bother? Couldn't the god have just re-
zapped everything back the way it was, without going through all this ark
nonsense? Re-creation? Once again, the question is begged. If the god
could re-create everything from kinds, couldn't he have just originally
created Man the way he wanted us in the first place?
For that matter, why not just send all the good
people and the animals to the top of Mount Everest
and then make the flood a couple of thousand feet
shallower. No Ark needed at all then, everybody can
share one big island.
The Yetis would have eaten the future. <CHOMP!>
-- cary
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 02:48:09 PM |
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on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Graham Kennedy dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
What about the 1.7 million known species of animals? Did noah put the
axolotls between the penguins and the tropical iguanas? Noah the croc
hunter? Haaaaa - it's laughable.
Ah, but he didn't have all 1.7 million. He only had
whole "kinds" you see, like two cats rather than
two lions, two cheetas, two panthers, etc.
After the ark those kinds diversified into all the
species we have today by evo... oops, dang, there
goes another idiot idea.
It must have been divine evolution. ZAP! The cats diversify. But then
again, this begs the question, why bother? Couldn't the god have just re-
zapped everything back the way it was, without going through all this ark
nonsense? Re-creation? Once again, the question is begged. If the god
could re-create everything from kinds, couldn't he have just originally
created Man the way he wanted us in the first place?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "JPG" |
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16 Mar 2005 04:16:03 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:48:09 -0600, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Graham Kennedy dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
What about the 1.7 million known species of animals? Did noah put the
axolotls between the penguins and the tropical iguanas? Noah the croc
hunter? Haaaaa - it's laughable.
Ah, but he didn't have all 1.7 million. He only had
whole "kinds" you see, like two cats rather than
two lions, two cheetas, two panthers, etc.
After the ark those kinds diversified into all the
species we have today by evo... oops, dang, there
goes another idiot idea.
It must have been divine evolution. ZAP! The cats diversify. But then
again, this begs the question, why bother? Couldn't the god have just re-
zapped everything back the way it was, without going through all this ark
nonsense? Re-creation? Once again, the question is begged. If the god
could re-create everything from kinds, couldn't he have just originally
created Man the way he wanted us in the first place?
What I don't understand is how fundies can read such posts as yours and not feel
utterly stupid and embarrassed for believing such obvious nonsense as the flood
story. It's like a small kid trying to launch himself on a broomstick after
reading Harry Potter, except that most small kids can distinguish between
fantasy and reality.
JPG
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
16 Mar 2005 10:27:15 AM |
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on 16 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, JPG dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:48:09 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Graham Kennedy dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
What about the 1.7 million known species of animals? Did noah put
the axolotls between the penguins and the tropical iguanas? Noah
the croc hunter? Haaaaa - it's laughable.
Ah, but he didn't have all 1.7 million. He only had
whole "kinds" you see, like two cats rather than
two lions, two cheetas, two panthers, etc.
After the ark those kinds diversified into all the
species we have today by evo... oops, dang, there
goes another idiot idea.
It must have been divine evolution. ZAP! The cats diversify. But
then again, this begs the question, why bother? Couldn't the god have
just re- zapped everything back the way it was, without going through
all this ark nonsense? Re-creation? Once again, the question is
begged. If the god could re-create everything from kinds, couldn't he
have just originally created Man the way he wanted us in the first
place?
What I don't understand is how fundies can read such posts as yours
and not feel utterly stupid and embarrassed for believing such obvious
nonsense as the flood story. It's like a small kid trying to launch
himself on a broomstick after reading Harry Potter, except that most
small kids can distinguish between fantasy and reality.
JPG
Small kids unfortunately grow up to be big believers. In most cases, that
is. Most people are followers, with a dire need to fit in. Peer pressure,
parental pressure, the kid breaks and so does the line between fantasy and
reality. Very few are stubborn enough to define their own path, and those
are the non-conformists of the world. Atheism is just one of the
possibilities for these ground-breakers.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "eddie wilson" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
16 Mar 2005 10:37:16 AM |
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Anyone know how Noah stopped all those animals from eating each other?
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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16 Mar 2005 10:55:28 AM |
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on 16 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, eddie wilson dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
Anyone know how Noah stopped all those animals from eating each other?
Hot sauce.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: *** AQOTM Nomination! Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
16 Mar 2005 11:03:35 AM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns961B5AB919EA1vicman@127.0.0.1...
| on 16 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, eddie wilson dropped trou, farted, whirled,
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| Hot sauce.
Hilarious!
Second?
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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17 Mar 2005 07:59:27 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:03:35 GMT, "lizzard woman" <kimosabeRMOVE@shaw.ca> wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns961B5AB919EA1vicman@127.0.0.1...
| on 16 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, eddie wilson dropped trou, farted, whirled,
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| Hot sauce.
Hilarious!
Second?
Seconded.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
January 27th
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "Tink" |
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| Title: Re: *** AQOTM Nomination! Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
16 Mar 2005 05:24:34 PM |
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lizzard woman wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns961B5AB919EA1vicman@127.0.0.1...
| on 16 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, eddie wilson dropped trou, farted, whirled,
| then shouted:
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| Hot sauce.
Hilarious!
Second?
seconded
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Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
away... It really pisses him off.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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20 Mar 2005 08:57:51 AM |
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In article <16ydnROsjI2pXaXfRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
Tink <kjgrish@comcast.net> wrote:
lizzard woman wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns961B5AB919EA1vicman@127.0.0.1...
| on 16 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, eddie wilson dropped trou, farted, whirled,
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| > Anyone know how Noah stopped all those animals from eating each other?
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| Hot sauce.
Hilarious!
Second?
seconded
Recorded.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
16 Mar 2005 08:29:33 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns961B5AB919EA1vicman@127.0.0.1:
on 16 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, eddie wilson dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
Anyone know how Noah stopped all those animals from eating each
other?
Hot sauce.
I *LIKE* hot sauce. I'd have eaten any animal, give enough hot sauce.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul (1988)
Now playing: Earth Story 06
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 03:23:17 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Graham Kennedy dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
What about the 1.7 million known species of animals? Did noah put the
axolotls between the penguins and the tropical iguanas? Noah the croc
hunter? Haaaaa - it's laughable.
Ah, but he didn't have all 1.7 million. He only had
whole "kinds" you see, like two cats rather than
two lions, two cheetas, two panthers, etc.
After the ark those kinds diversified into all the
species we have today by evo... oops, dang, there
goes another idiot idea.
It must have been divine evolution. ZAP! The cats diversify. But then
again, this begs the question, why bother? Couldn't the god have just re-
zapped everything back the way it was, without going through all this ark
nonsense? Re-creation? Once again, the question is begged. If the god
could re-create everything from kinds, couldn't he have just originally
created Man the way he wanted us in the first place?
For that matter, why not just send all the good
people and the animals to the top of Mount Everest
and then make the flood a couple of thousand feet
shallower. No Ark needed at all then, everybody can
share one big island.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
16 Mar 2005 10:20:35 AM |
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on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Graham Kennedy dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Graham Kennedy dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
What about the 1.7 million known species of animals? Did noah put
the axolotls between the penguins and the tropical iguanas? Noah
the croc hunter? Haaaaa - it's laughable.
Ah, but he didn't have all 1.7 million. He only had
whole "kinds" you see, like two cats rather than
two lions, two cheetas, two panthers, etc.
After the ark those kinds diversified into all the
species we have today by evo... oops, dang, there
goes another idiot idea.
It must have been divine evolution. ZAP! The cats diversify. But
then again, this begs the question, why bother? Couldn't the god
have just re- zapped everything back the way it was, without going
through all this ark nonsense? Re-creation? Once again, the
question is begged. If the god could re-create everything from
kinds, couldn't he have just originally created Man the way he wanted
us in the first place?
For that matter, why not just send all the good
people and the animals to the top of Mount Everest
and then make the flood a couple of thousand feet
shallower. No Ark needed at all then, everybody can
share one big island.
Or for that matter, why not just create us all good little angels already
in heaven with heavenly bodies. WTF is this earthly proving ground for?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
16 Mar 2005 06:43:00 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Graham Kennedy dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Graham Kennedy dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
What about the 1.7 million known species of animals? Did noah put
the axolotls between the penguins and the tropical iguanas? Noah
the croc hunter? Haaaaa - it's laughable.
Ah, but he didn't have all 1.7 million. He only had
whole "kinds" you see, like two cats rather than
two lions, two cheetas, two panthers, etc.
After the ark those kinds diversified into all the
species we have today by evo... oops, dang, there
goes another idiot idea.
It must have been divine evolution. ZAP! The cats diversify. But
then again, this begs the question, why bother? Couldn't the god
have just re- zapped everything back the way it was, without going
through all this ark nonsense? Re-creation? Once again, the
question is begged. If the god could re-create everything from
kinds, couldn't he have just originally created Man the way he wanted
us in the first place?
For that matter, why not just send all the good
people and the animals to the top of Mount Everest
and then make the flood a couple of thousand feet
shallower. No Ark needed at all then, everybody can
share one big island.
Or for that matter, why not just create us all good little angels already
in heaven with heavenly bodies. WTF is this earthly proving ground for?
It's all about the love. God wants us to choose to love
him. We can only do that if we have the opportunity to
choose to hate him. Earth is here to give us that chance.
And it's vitally important that god gets our love because...
well, frankly because he's a massively insecure egomaniac.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 05:31:03 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:26:51 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote:
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years old, only
8000.
Then again we Chrisitians are all intelligent enough to point out to you that
the bible doesn't claim the earth is 6000 or 8000 years old.
Nope. It rose slowly and then fell slowly over a year's time, not 40
days.
The waters rose over 40 days and nights.
Genesis 7:12: and rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
You forgot about the rising waters before the rains started.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 06:51:02 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:26:51 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote:
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years old,
only 8000.
Then again we Chrisitians are all intelligent enough to point out to you
that the bible doesn't claim the earth is 6000 or 8000 years old.
The firt few times you blew it out your ***** on this one, yiou were just
ignorant.
Its been explained enough now that to keep repeating this is
a great display of personal dishonesty.
Again, the geneologies presented in the bible give us a
way to date the earth if the bible was true. About 4000
BCE.
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Genesis 5:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created
man, in the likeness of God made he him;
5:2
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name
Adam, in the day when they were created.
5:3
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own
likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
5:4
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years:
and he begat sons and daughters:
5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he
died.
5:6
And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
5:7
And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat
sons and daughters:
5:8
And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
5:9
And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
5:10
And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and
begat sons and daughters:
5:11
And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
5:12
And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
5:13
And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years,
and begat sons and daughters:
5:14
And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
5:15
And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
5:16
And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years,
and begat sons and daughters:
5:17
And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and
he died.
5:18
And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
5:19
And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and
daughters:
5:20
And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he
died.
5:21
And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
5:22
And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and
begat sons and daughters:
5:23
And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
5:25
And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
5:26
And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two
years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:27
And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and
he died.
5:28
And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
And so on.
Duke, you are so brain damaged you think nobody knows enough to show the
world you lie repeatedly on this point?
--
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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15 Mar 2005 08:03:41 PM |
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wcb wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:26:51 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote:
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years
old, only 8000.
Then again we Chrisitians are all intelligent enough to point out to
you that the bible doesn't claim the earth is 6000 or 8000 years old.
The firt few times you blew it out your ***** on this one, yiou were
just ignorant.
Its been explained enough now that to keep repeating this is
a great display of personal dishonesty.
Earl has been this way for a long time now.
You just made the same assumptions all of us made about him.
That he was rational.
That he could actually discuss something.
That he is honest.
If you become a follower you will note that towards the week end his answer
get even stranger. I'm convinced he starts drinking then but it could be
that he still has to work for a living and just gets to tired.
He is a cowardly little man afraid to reveal his real name (almost certainly
Earl Weber), where he lives, (probably Baton Rouge, LA) or even where he
went to school.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Mar 2005 12:22:45 PM |
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on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, theo dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vvfd319gkt3j506fi4ovu9k3vme0elqc8b@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:23 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote:
Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed
many times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back
together and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the
surface.
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years
old, only 8000.
And there would be no mention of mountains in Genesis... like the one
Moses ascended to meet the burning bush.
<piggybacking>
Duke, you are a moron. Do yourself a favor and google up some facts about
Mt. Everest. Well, knowing you won't, I've done it for you.
http://www.mnteverest.net/history.html
Look at the first line, "Age of Everest". Now please explain how the flood
could have wiped out mankind before he even evolved.
Religious apologists are so fucking stupid.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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15 Mar 2005 02:29:34 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns961A698598DA2vicman@127.0.0.1:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, theo dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vvfd319gkt3j506fi4ovu9k3vme0elqc8b@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:23 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote:
Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed
many times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back
together and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the
surface.
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years
old, only 8000.
And there would be no mention of mountains in Genesis... like the one
Moses ascended to meet the burning bush.
<piggybacking>
Duke, you are a moron. Do yourself a favor and google up some facts
about Mt. Everest. Well, knowing you won't, I've done it for you.
http://www.mnteverest.net/history.html
Look at the first line, "Age of Everest". Now please explain how the
flood could have wiped out mankind before he even evolved.
Religious apologists are so fucking stupid.
You should compose a song about them. Nay, a symphonic work!
Use only untrained tone-deaf musicians (to properly simulate their lack of
knowledge of the world around them). Tune each instrument separately and
have them play in unison. Just one note--should be easy ;)
Needs a proper name, now.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Never use a weapon you don't like the taste of.
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
15 Mar 2005 03:28:51 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, theo dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vvfd319gkt3j506fi4ovu9k3vme0elqc8b@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:23 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote:
Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed
many times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back
together and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the
surface.
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years
old, only 8000.
And there would be no mention of mountains in Genesis... like the one
Moses ascended to meet the burning bush.
<piggybacking>
Duke, you are a moron. Do yourself a favor and google up some facts about
Mt. Everest. Well, knowing you won't, I've done it for you.
http://www.mnteverest.net/history.html
Look at the first line, "Age of Everest". Now please explain how the flood
could have wiped out mankind before he even evolved.
Religious apologists are so fucking stupid.
Hell, even if you just wanted to cover a thousand foot
mountain - which is practically a hill - you would
still be looking at more than a foot of rain an hour.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "wcb" |
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15 Mar 2005 06:54:13 PM |
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Graham Kennedy wrote:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, theo dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vvfd319gkt3j506fi4ovu9k3vme0elqc8b@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:23 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote:
Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed
many times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back
together and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the
surface.
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years
old, only 8000.
And there would be no mention of mountains in Genesis... like the one
Moses ascended to meet the burning bush.
<piggybacking>
Duke, you are a moron. Do yourself a favor and google up some facts
about
Mt. Everest. Well, knowing you won't, I've done it for you.
http://www.mnteverest.net/history.html
Look at the first line, "Age of Everest". Now please explain how the
flood could have wiped out mankind before he even evolved.
Religious apologists are so fucking stupid.
Hell, even if you just wanted to cover a thousand foot
mountain - which is practically a hill - you would
still be looking at more than a foot of rain an hour.
Genesis says the ark came to rest in the mountains of
Ararat. This is in Turkey, and we have some rather high
mountains there, up to 18,000 feet.
The writer of this myth knows full well that
we are talking about some rather significant mountains,
he chose the tallest mountains known to people of that
area of the word at that time as a scene for his myth.
--
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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15 Mar 2005 08:06:25 PM |
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wcb wrote:
Graham Kennedy wrote:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, theo dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vvfd319gkt3j506fi4ovu9k3vme0elqc8b@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:23 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au>
wrote:
Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed
many times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back
together and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the
surface.
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years
old, only 8000.
And there would be no mention of mountains in Genesis... like the
one Moses ascended to meet the burning bush.
<piggybacking>
Duke, you are a moron. Do yourself a favor and google up some facts
about
Mt. Everest. Well, knowing you won't, I've done it for you.
http://www.mnteverest.net/history.html
Look at the first line, "Age of Everest". Now please explain how the
flood could have wiped out mankind before he even evolved.
Religious apologists are so fucking stupid.
Hell, even if you just wanted to cover a thousand foot
mountain - which is practically a hill - you would
still be looking at more than a foot of rain an hour.
Genesis says the ark came to rest in the mountains of
Ararat. This is in Turkey, and we have some rather high
mountains there, up to 18,000 feet.
The writer of this myth knows full well that
we are talking about some rather significant mountains,
he chose the tallest mountains known to people of that
area of the word at that time as a scene for his myth.
Not really, the correct tranlation puts it in a range of mountains quite
distant from the single Mt Ararat.
Note also that there are two separate stories of the flood, one dealing with
the rain, the other with the opening of the gates of heavens, etc.
"Who Wrote The Bible" by Richard Friedman is a good source on this.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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15 Mar 2005 04:54:04 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:28:51 +0000, Graham Kennedy wrote:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, theo dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vvfd319gkt3j506fi4ovu9k3vme0elqc8b@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:23 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au> wrote:
Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed many
times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back
together and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the surface.
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years old,
only 8000.
And there would be no mention of mountains in Genesis... like the one
Moses ascended to meet the burning bush.
<piggybacking>
Duke, you are a moron. Do yourself a favor and google up some facts
about Mt. Everest. Well, knowing you won't, I've done it for you.
http://www.mnteverest.net/history.html
Look at the first line, "Age of Everest". Now please explain how the
flood could have wiped out mankind before he even evolved.
Religious apologists are so fucking stupid.
Hell, even if you just wanted to cover a thousand foot mountain - which is
practically a hill - you would still be looking at more than a foot of
rain an hour.
Well, don't forget that the diameter of the Earth could have been a lot
smaller back then, too. Just because there is no plausible mechanism, or
evidence other than the need to reconcile with a fairy tale, is no
reason to assume that it didn't happen that way! After all, if the bible
says it, it *must* be factually true, so the stupid scientists just
haven't been able to figure out how.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: The arithmetic of the Great Flood |
16 Mar 2005 11:57:59 AM |
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on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, MarkA dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:28:51 +0000, Graham Kennedy wrote:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 15 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, theo dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vvfd319gkt3j506fi4ovu9k3vme0elqc8b@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:45:23 +1100, "theo" <theo@home.com.au>
wrote:
Nope. In it's 4.5 billion year history, the earth surface changed
many times.
The mountains rose while the oceans dropped. Pull them all back
together and
you get a smooth earth with little water needed to "cover" the
surface.
If the Noah story is true, then the Earth is not 4.5 billion years
old, only 8000.
And there would be no mention of mountains in Genesis... like the
one Moses ascended to meet the burning bush.
<piggybacking>
Duke, you are a moron. Do yourself a favor and google up some facts
about Mt. Everest. Well, knowing you won't, I've done it for you.
http://www.mnteverest.net/history.html
Look at the first line, "Age of Everest". Now please explain how the
flood could have wiped out mankind before he even evolved.
Religious apologists are so fucking stupid.
Hell, even if you just wanted to cover a thousand foot mountain -
which is practically a hill - you would still be looking at more than
a foot of rain an hour.
Well, don't forget that the diameter of the Earth could have been a
lot smaller back then, too. Just because there is no plausible
mechanism, or evidence other than the need to reconcile with a fairy
tale, is no reason to assume that it didn't happen that way! After
all, if the bible says it, it *must* be factually true, so the stupid
scientists just haven't been able to figure out how.
<slaps forehead>
Of course! That explains it. And the fact that the speed of light was
much slower then explains why the universe appears to be so dang old!
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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