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User: "Steve O"
Date: 25 Apr 2005 03:50:31 AM
Object: The Ark Challenge
Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the story
was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the way the
bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of sense
and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together with
suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all
separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for forty
days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity once
and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools, isn't it?
....Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you can
spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see it.
.

User: "navi-gater"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 25 Apr 2005 09:44:02 PM
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in
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So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools,
isn't it? ...Hmmmm..... No takers?

The believers are too lazy for any such undertaking.
They're into religion because they hope a bit of directed wishing (or
prayer if you like) will make something happen they can't be bothered to
work for.
gater.
.

User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 25 Apr 2005 06:10:09 AM
"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the way the
bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together with
suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all
separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools, isn't
it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you can
spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see it.

Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 25 Apr 2005 10:37:08 AM
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote

Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way
to silence the hereitcs

Nobody has ever COMPLETED an ark, but it has been
done.
My guess is that they don't have to get too far into it
before they realize it could never work.
.

User: "Steve O"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 25 Apr 2005 08:26:57 AM
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the way
the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together
with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all
separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools, isn't
it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you can
spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs

.
User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 25 Apr 2005 10:23:58 AM
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the way
the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together
with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all
separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools,
isn't it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you can
spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs

Maybe the atheists should build it?
.
User: "Steve O"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 25 Apr 2005 10:42:20 AM
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the way
the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together
with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them
all separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools,
isn't it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you
can spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs


Maybe the atheists should build it?

Maybe the atheists wouldn't be so stupid to try.
.

User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 25 Apr 2005 11:54:32 AM
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the way
the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together
with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them
all separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools,
isn't it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you
can spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs


Maybe the atheists should build it?

Well gee doesn't that make sense
.

User: "jwk"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 25 Apr 2005 10:37:37 AM
Neil Kelsey wrote:

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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists
that the biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help
to prove that the story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used
the way the bible says it was? Forget about twisting geological
science or pushing the boundaries of sense and logic. Build
one. Use only materials and tools available to Noah. Then fill
it with a pair of every known species of creature, together
with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping
them all separately so they don't eat or kill each other. Make
sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea
for forty days. So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this
is a great opportunity once and for all to make those damned
disbelievers look like fools, isn't it? ...Hmmmm..... No
takers? Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation
Museum surely you can spare a few million for this? Think of
the money you could make afterwards charging people to see it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to
silence the hereitcs



Maybe the atheists should build it?

That's like asking a physicist to prove Astrology. Why would we want to
waste our time? Why would you trust us if we gave it a try and told you
it couldn't be done? No, a fundy will have to try it before you believe
it is impossible. (Or rather 1,000 fundies will have to fail before you
will admit it isn't a simple task.)
jwk
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User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 25 Apr 2005 03:21:32 PM
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Neil Kelsey wrote:

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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the
story was possible rather than impossible. You want to show the world
that an Ark could be built and used the way the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological
science or pushing the boundaries of sense and logic. Build one. Use
only materials and tools available to Noah. Then fill it with a pair
of every known species of creature, together with suitable
environments for each of them to live in, keeping
them all separately so they don't eat or kill each other. Make
sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for
forty days. So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this
is a great opportunity once and for all to make those damned
disbelievers look like fools, isn't it? ...Hmmmm..... No takers? Come
on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you can
spare a few million for this? Think of the money you could make
afterwards charging people to see it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs



Maybe the atheists should build it?


That's like asking a physicist to prove Astrology. Why would we want to
waste our time? Why would you trust us if we gave it a try and told you
it couldn't be done? No, a fundy will have to try it before you believe
it is impossible. (Or rather 1,000 fundies will have to fail before you
will admit it isn't a simple task.)

It's not like that at all. I can prove boats exist but I can't prove
Astrology exists, nor would I want to.
I'm an atheist, and I already know that the Ark story is impossible. But I
think it would make an intersting show for the Discovery Channel or
something like that. It could be Survive the Bible, a new reality show in
which several contestants have however long Noah allegedly had to make an
Ark and gather the animals before the studio would be flooded. I'd watch
that. Of course, it wouldn't be as challenging as the original version,
since 900 year old men are quite scarce these days.
.



User: "wmech"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 25 Apr 2005 07:20:27 PM
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built could not even come close to housing Noah,
his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And this was a
boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7 million KNOWN
species of animals on this planet. This is patently impossible, using only
materials and tools available to Noah, to build an arch large enough to hold
all these creatures, together with suitable environments for each of them
to live in, keeping them all separated so they don't eat or kill each other.
And then provide room and an environments for many hundreds of millions of
known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food and
fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face
of the earth-men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [b] , [c] 21 Every living
thing that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all
the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on
dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living
thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the
creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped
from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
Genesis 9 God's Covenant With Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.
Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat.
Bill
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the way
the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together
with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them

all

separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools,

isn't

it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you

can

spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs



.
User: "H Dickmann"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 27 Apr 2005 10:01:15 AM
"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built could not even come close to housing Noah,
his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth.

On Earth or the world, was the known world at that time. The number of
Animals in that limited part of the world was relatively small.
And this was a

boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7 million
KNOWN
species of animals on this planet. This is patently impossible, using only
materials and tools available to Noah, to build an arch large enough to
hold
all these creatures, together with suitable environments for each of them
to live in, keeping them all separated so they don't eat or kill each
other.
And then provide room and an environments for many hundreds of millions of
known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and
fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have
gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes
out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart
was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the
face
of the earth-men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground,
and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you
seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every
kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth,
and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together
with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had
with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [b] , [c] 21 Every living
thing that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all
the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on
dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living
thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the
creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped
from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark
to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the
waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first
day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
Genesis 9 God's Covenant With Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.

Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat.

Bill
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the way
the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together
with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them

all

separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools,

isn't

it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you

can

spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see
it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs





.

User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 26 Apr 2005 09:48:16 PM
it's amazing that the religious nutcases haven't taken up this challenge and
built an ark and housed animals in it to try and prove us all wrong.
c'mon religious fruitcakes, now's your chance. go for it.
"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:uKfbe.127371$vK6.68699@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built could not even come close to housing Noah,
his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And this was a
boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7 million
KNOWN
species of animals on this planet. This is patently impossible, using only
materials and tools available to Noah, to build an arch large enough to
hold
all these creatures, together with suitable environments for each of them
to live in, keeping them all separated so they don't eat or kill each
other.
And then provide room and an environments for many hundreds of millions of
known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and
fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have
gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes
out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart
was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the
face
of the earth-men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground,
and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you
seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every
kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth,
and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together
with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had
with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [b] , [c] 21 Every living
thing that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all
the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on
dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living
thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the
creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped
from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark
to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the
waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first
day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
Genesis 9 God's Covenant With Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.

Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat.

Bill
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the way
the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together
with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them

all

separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools,

isn't

it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you

can

spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see
it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs





.
User: "RS"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 26 Apr 2005 10:31:01 PM
"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:Q3Dbe.13416$sp3.6882@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...

it's amazing that the religious nutcases haven't taken up this challenge
and built an ark and housed animals in it to try and prove us all wrong.

You have no authority or justification in calling anyone a nutcase other
than yourself. I think if we were to print up all your posts here and take
them with you to a mental institute, they would admit you without question.
Whether for your own protection of the simple irony of it all, I am
unsure...
.
User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 27 Apr 2005 06:06:42 AM
"You have no authority or justification in calling anyone a nutcase other
than yourself. I think if we were to print up all your posts here and take
them with you to a mental institute, they would admit you without question.
Whether for your own protection of the simple irony of it all, I am
unsure".
In response, I'll say this, I'm not the one worshipping a mass murderer, I'm
not the one worshipping someone who admitted he MURDERED every living thing
on this planet during the time of noah. Okay, go ahead, now, make up yet
another excuse about how your god can MURDER people and should still be
worshipped.
....
.

User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 27 Apr 2005 06:13:54 AM
speaking of mental institutions, you would think they would throw all
religious nutcases in them. I mean people ACTUALLY BELIEVING IN AND
WORSHIPPING A MASS MURDERER?
People worshipping someone that admitted he killed EVERY LIVING THING ON
THIS PLANET?
talk about insane !
Sounds like a definite qualification for a mental institute, lock up all
religious fruitcakes.
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:Q3Dbe.13416$sp3.6882@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...

it's amazing that the religious nutcases haven't taken up this challenge
and built an ark and housed animals in it to try and prove us all wrong.


You have no authority or justification in calling anyone a nutcase other
than yourself. I think if we were to print up all your posts here and
take them with you to a mental institute, they would admit you without
question. Whether for your own protection of the simple irony of it all, I
am unsure...


.


User: "John Harlow"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 26 Apr 2005 11:50:08 PM
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

it's amazing that the religious nutcases haven't taken up this
challenge and built an ark and housed animals in it to try and prove
us all wrong.
c'mon religious fruitcakes, now's your chance. go for it.

Visit Belize sometime and check out a place called the Essene Way.
A religious sect people built a waterfront compound with their own power
generation (the world's largest solar collector at the time
http://www.solardevelopment.com/case2.html ), huge food stores, 2 of every
animal they could get and a huge jonah whale statue among other oddities.
They were convinced the world would come to an end at the turn of the
millenium, and they were the chosen ones to repopulate it.
Of course Y2K came and went, so they abandoned the place. A hurricane came
through and destroyed the solar collector and trashed the place.
I think this guy was the one who started it:
http://www.moseswasntfat.com/interview.shtml - it makes sense; there was a
bizarre huge weight room there with pictures of bodybuilders all over the
walls.
I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it with my own eyes. It's
incredible, and far more odd than I've described.
.

User: "L Perez"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 27 Apr 2005 04:06:08 AM
when the first human couple sinned, they initiated a flaw in the genetic
code of the human race. perhaps it was something in the fruit of the tree
they were warned not to eat. but they were created with a perfect genetic
code and meant to live forever until that day when they sinned and began to
die. Noah took 120 years to build the ark and give ample time for any
humble, god-loving ones to repent from their errant course... yes, they were
warned for 120 years while Noah built the ark. no one today lives to be 120.
until the advent of medical ways to cure illnesses that are inherent in
sinful humans, the life expectancy from Adam through the 19th century
continued to decrease.
ever make a VHS copy of a VHS tape and then copy that copy and copy that
copy generation after generation. eventually you get something quite
inferior to the original production... but I digress.
so what you fail to understand is this; it took Noah 120 years to build the
ark... day in and day out...
Noah knew why he had to do that for 120 years... he had a purpose for doing
so. no one today even has 120 years to build an ark... and they also have no
reason to do so today since God has promised not to ever flood the inhabited
land again.
Noah lived to be 950 years old. he was much closer to the originally
genetically perfect man Adam than we are today
"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:Q3Dbe.13416$sp3.6882@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...

it's amazing that the religious nutcases haven't taken up this challenge
and built an ark and housed animals in it to try and prove us all wrong.

c'mon religious fruitcakes, now's your chance. go for it.


"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:uKfbe.127371$vK6.68699@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built could not even come close to housing Noah,
his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And this was a
boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7 million
KNOWN
species of animals on this planet. This is patently impossible, using
only
materials and tools available to Noah, to build an arch large enough to
hold
all these creatures, together with suitable environments for each of
them
to live in, keeping them all separated so they don't eat or kill each
other.
And then provide room and an environments for many hundreds of millions
of
known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and
fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have
gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes
out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart
was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the
face
of the earth-men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground,
and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and
he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole
family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you
seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every
kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout
the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of
the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth,
and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together
with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had
with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15
Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose
and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains
under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [b] , [c] 21 Every living
thing that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals,
all
the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything
on
dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every
living
thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the
creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped
from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark
to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the
waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred
and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first
day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
Genesis 9 God's Covenant With Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth
and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the
ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave
you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will
demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.

Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat.

Bill
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d3panF6rhp7iU1@individual.net...

Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that
the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the
way
the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together
with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them

all

separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea
for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great
opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools,

isn't

it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you

can

spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see
it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs







.
User: "ZenIsWhen"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 27 Apr 2005 07:40:45 AM
"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tsydnaMSKs1zyPLfRVn-oA@comcast.com...

when the first human couple sinned, they initiated a flaw in the genetic
code of the human race. perhaps it was something in the fruit of the tree
they were warned not to eat. but they were created with a perfect genetic
code and meant to live forever until that day when they sinned and began

to

die. Noah took 120 years to build the ark and give ample time for any
humble, god-loving ones to repent from their errant course... yes, they

were

warned for 120 years while Noah built the ark. no one today lives to be

120.

until the advent of medical ways to cure illnesses that are inherent in
sinful humans, the life expectancy from Adam through the 19th century
continued to decrease.

ever make a VHS copy of a VHS tape and then copy that copy and copy that
copy generation after generation. eventually you get something quite
inferior to the original production... but I digress.

so what you fail to understand is this; it took Noah 120 years to build

the

ark... day in and day out...
Noah knew why he had to do that for 120 years... he had a purpose for

doing

so. no one today even has 120 years to build an ark... and they also have

no

reason to do so today since God has promised not to ever flood the

inhabited

land again.

Noah lived to be 950 years old. he was much closer to the originally
genetically perfect man Adam than we are today

and, if you click your heels together three times ... you'll be back in
Kansas!
What YOU fail to understand that the story of Noah is nothing but a fairy
tale!!!
.

User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 27 Apr 2005 05:59:40 AM
"they also have no reason to do so today since God has promised not to ever
flood the inhabited land again". .
oh, god promised not to murder hundreds of thousands of people again????
well, hell, that's damn nice of him.
but the religious fruitcakes keep saying the bible is real and the story of
noah is real, WELL PROVE IT !!!!!!!
"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tsydnaMSKs1zyPLfRVn-oA@comcast.com...

when the first human couple sinned, they initiated a flaw in the genetic
code of the human race. perhaps it was something in the fruit of the tree
they were warned not to eat. but they were created with a perfect genetic
code and meant to live forever until that day when they sinned and began
to die. Noah took 120 years to build the ark and give ample time for any
humble, god-loving ones to repent from their errant course... yes, they
were warned for 120 years while Noah built the ark. no one today lives to
be 120. until the advent of medical ways to cure illnesses that are
inherent in sinful humans, the life expectancy from Adam through the 19th
century continued to decrease.

ever make a VHS copy of a VHS tape and then copy that copy and copy that
copy generation after generation. eventually you get something quite
inferior to the original production... but I digress.

so what you fail to understand is this; it took Noah 120 years to build
the ark... day in and day out...
Noah knew why he had to do that for 120 years... he had a purpose for
doing so. no one today even has 120 years to build an ark... and they also
have no reason to do so today since God has promised not to ever flood the
inhabited land again.

Noah lived to be 950 years old. he was much closer to the originally
genetically perfect man Adam than we are today










"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:Q3Dbe.13416$sp3.6882@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...

it's amazing that the religious nutcases haven't taken up this challenge
and built an ark and housed animals in it to try and prove us all wrong.

c'mon religious fruitcakes, now's your chance. go for it.


"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built could not even come close to housing
Noah,
his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And this was a
boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7 million
KNOWN
species of animals on this planet. This is patently impossible, using
only
materials and tools available to Noah, to build an arch large enough to
hold
all these creatures, together with suitable environments for each of
them
to live in, keeping them all separated so they don't eat or kill each
other.
And then provide room and an environments for many hundreds of millions
of
known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and
fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have
gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes
out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree
survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart
was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the
face
of the earth-men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground,
and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and
he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole
family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you
seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every
kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout
the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty
days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every
living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark
to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and
female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And
after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of
the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth,
and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together
with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had
with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15
Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose
and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of
the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains
under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [b] , [c] 21 Every living
thing that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals,
all
the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything
on
dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every
living
thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the
creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped
from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark
to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock
that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the
waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred
and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest
on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first
day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
Genesis 9 God's Covenant With Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth
and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the
ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave
you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will
demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand
an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.

Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat.

Bill
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that
the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the
way
the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries
of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature,
together
with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them

all

separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea
for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great
opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools,

isn't

it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you

can

spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see
it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence
the
hereitcs









.

User: "wmech"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 27 Apr 2005 02:17:23 PM
Dream on!!!
--
Bill
"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tsydnaMSKs1zyPLfRVn-oA@comcast.com...

when the first human couple sinned, they initiated a flaw in the genetic
code of the human race. perhaps it was something in the fruit of the tree
they were warned not to eat. but they were created with a perfect genetic
code and meant to live forever until that day when they sinned and began

to

die. Noah took 120 years to build the ark and give ample time for any
humble, god-loving ones to repent from their errant course... yes, they

were

warned for 120 years while Noah built the ark. no one today lives to be

120.

until the advent of medical ways to cure illnesses that are inherent in
sinful humans, the life expectancy from Adam through the 19th century
continued to decrease.

ever make a VHS copy of a VHS tape and then copy that copy and copy that
copy generation after generation. eventually you get something quite
inferior to the original production... but I digress.

so what you fail to understand is this; it took Noah 120 years to build

the

ark... day in and day out...
Noah knew why he had to do that for 120 years... he had a purpose for

doing

so. no one today even has 120 years to build an ark... and they also have

no

reason to do so today since God has promised not to ever flood the

inhabited

land again.

Noah lived to be 950 years old. he was much closer to the originally
genetically perfect man Adam than we are today










"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:Q3Dbe.13416$sp3.6882@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...

it's amazing that the religious nutcases haven't taken up this challenge
and built an ark and housed animals in it to try and prove us all wrong.

c'mon religious fruitcakes, now's your chance. go for it.


"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built could not even come close to housing

Noah,

his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And this was

a

boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7 million
KNOWN
species of animals on this planet. This is patently impossible, using
only
materials and tools available to Noah, to build an arch large enough to
hold
all these creatures, together with suitable environments for each of
them
to live in, keeping them all separated so they don't eat or kill each
other.
And then provide room and an environments for many hundreds of millions
of
known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on this planet?
2. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
3. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of

food

and
fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to

survive.

What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have
gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It

must

have been one stinking ship!
4. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months.

This

would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
5. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes
out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree

survive

the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly

wouldn't

germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
6. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as greater tale than

Santa

Claus, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart
was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the
face
of the earth-men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground,
and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and
he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole
family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you
seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of

every

kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every
kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout
the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty

days

and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every

living

creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the

earth.

7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark

to

escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals,

of

birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and

female,

came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And

after

the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of
the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth,
and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the

earth

forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together
with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had
with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according

to

their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to

its

kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15
Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose
and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of

the

water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains
under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [b] , [c] 21 Every

living

thing that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals,
all
the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything
on
dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every
living
thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the
creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were

wiped

from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the

earth.

7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the

ark

to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock

that

were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the
waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred
and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest

on

the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the

first

day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
Genesis 9 God's Covenant With Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth
and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the
ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave
you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will
demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand

an

accounting for the life of his fellow man.

Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat

raw

meat.

Bill
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d3panF6rhp7iU1@individual.net...

Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that

the

biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that
the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the
way
the bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries

of

sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature,

together

with suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping

them

all

separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea
for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great
opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools,

isn't

it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely

you

can

spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see
it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence

the

hereitcs









.

User: "The Great Hairy One"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 27 Apr 2005 04:40:46 PM
In article <tsydnaMSKs1zyPLfRVn-oA@comcast.com>,

says...

when the first human couple sinned, they initiated a flaw in the genetic
code of the human race. perhaps it was something in the fruit of the tree
they were warned not to eat. but they were created with a perfect genetic
code and meant to live forever until that day when they sinned and began to
die. Noah took 120 years to build the ark and give ample time for any
humble, god-loving ones to repent from their errant course... yes, they were
warned for 120 years while Noah built the ark. no one today lives to be 120.
until the advent of medical ways to cure illnesses that are inherent in
sinful humans, the life expectancy from Adam through the 19th century
continued to decrease.

ever make a VHS copy of a VHS tape and then copy that copy and copy that
copy generation after generation. eventually you get something quite
inferior to the original production... but I digress.

so what you fail to understand is this; it took Noah 120 years to build the
ark... day in and day out...
Noah knew why he had to do that for 120 years... he had a purpose for doing
so. no one today even has 120 years to build an ark... and they also have no
reason to do so today since God has promised not to ever flood the inhabited
land again.

Noah lived to be 950 years old. he was much closer to the originally
genetically perfect man Adam than we are today

Can I point out two very simple flaws in your assumptions here?
Firstly, Eve was a clone of Adam. In other words, their DNA was exactly
the same, barring somatic mutations. When they bred, they only had two
alleles for each gene. If they were no longer "genetically perfect" then
the situation may be slightly improved to four alleles per gene. This
means that by about the fourth generation of their offspring, inbreeding
would have reduced the human race to badly crippled, mentally retarded
short lived creatures.
This same problem can be found with the whole great flood & Noah myth.
Eight couples do not have enough genetic variance to produce modern
humans, and inbreeding would become a major problem by around the sixth
generation.
Secondly, the ages of people in the bible are badly mistranslated. Noah
lived to be 95, not 950. It's a carry down from the Sumarian number
system, which was misunderstood by the ancient Hebrews. And, by the way,
we can clearly show that the maximum age for a human is slowly
increasing, and has been doing so since the 16th century.
Cheers,
TGHO
--
The Great Hairy One,
ICQ: 118086514
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====================================
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: The Ark Challenge 27 Apr 2005 06:04:13 PM
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:10:09 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:


"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d3panF6rhp7iU1@individual.net...

Here's a great challenge for any fundamentalist who insists that the
biblical Ark story is literally true, and would help to prove that the
story was possible rather than impossible.
You want to show the world that an Ark could be built and used the way the
bible says it was?
Forget about twisting geological science or pushing the boundaries of
sense and logic.
Build one.
Use only materials and tools available to Noah.
Then fill it with a pair of every known species of creature, together with
suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all
separately so they don't eat or kill each other.
Make sure you build it as quickly as Noah did, then take it to sea for
forty days.
So, get cracking on that gopher wood guys, this is a great opportunity
once and for all to make those damned disbelievers look like fools, isn't
it?
...Hmmmm..... No takers?
Come on! - If you can spend millions on a Creation Museum surely you can
spare a few million for this?
Think of the money you could make afterwards charging people to see it.



Funny no one has done this, it would be the perfect way to silence the
hereitcs

They're fully aware it's all *****.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.