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Religions > Atheism |
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"J McCoy" |
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04 Nov 2004 06:04:20 PM |
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The Ark of the Covenant Argument |
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
Lately several individuals on talk.origins have been fighting against
the idea that a certain late Ron Wyatt could not have found the Ark of
the Covenant. There have been made sarcastic comments that do not go
beyond simply poo-pooing the idea.
These individuals, in particular, Dana Tweedy and A. Carlson, have
done nothing to advance any argument that would in fact confirm their
own convictions.
I pointed out that Tweedy and Carlson have failed to have done any
legitimate research, but rather have seized up anti-Wyatt web sites in
order to make their case. I have repeatedly asked them to:
1. Obtain and view the Noah's Ark Field Surveys video of 1985-6.
They have steadfastly refused after having been told numerous times,
more than I will even attempt to count.
2. Contact Wyatt's group.
3. Read the only study made regarding the two surveys Baumgardner had
participated in.
4. Read scholar William Shea's articles regarding t he Durupinar
formation.
But instead of doing the recommended study, said Tweedy and Carlson
trudge on making mistake after mistake, claiming that the formation is
not Noah's Ark.
Carlson, for example, claims that there is no pattern of iron there
because there is intense mineralization at the site, so he claims.
I've pointed out that high end metal detectors have discriminators,
and yet he ignores this. Nonetheless, Carson contradicts himself in
that he cited a certain geologist named Lorence Collins. Collins
readily confessed that a pattern of iron exists there.
Carlson cites a number of sources that disagree with each other, and
he claims that 100% of all scientists who worked at the site do not
believe that this site (Durupinar) is not Noah's Ark. This is not
true, of course, and I can site Salih Bayraktutan.
Nonetheless, here is where Carlson's experts short of Salih
Bayraktutan, contradict themselves:
John Morris (was not actually on the surveys) - claims Metal
detector wasn't used.
John Baumgardner - Claims dowsing rod was only used) sidesteps any
questions regarding metal detector.
Fenner - Claims that he could be discredited as being a scientists
and admits that a magnetometer found the pattern.
Lorence Collins - metal detector found pattern of iron.
But a source that Carlson will not site because he has never seen it,
is the only reliable and indisputable evidence that is without bias
and human frailty and dishonesty. Namely this source is the 1985-6
Noah's Ark Field Studies Video. In it we find that John Morris is
wrong because a metal detector was used and that John Baumgardner was
wrong in suggesting that he only used a divining rod. And Fenner was
wrong because Fasold operated the radar and not Wyatt.
Now both Tweedy and Carlson have been claiming that Ron Wyatt had not
found the Ark of the Covenant. I have already admonished Tweedy and
Carlson that Wyatt said that he has presented no evidence for his
find and said to wait. Wyatt also said, "do not call Ron Wyatt a
liar."
I have noted that several times in my past I was called a liar behind
my back and I was actually telling the truth.
Lately Aaron Clausen said that I didn't have a geology textbook "with
the drawings, and are trying to set us up." He said, "Perhaps you are
the servant of Satan sent to make the truth believers look bad." And
"you are dishonest."
Boikat said, "much like many see your claims of having been reading a
‘geology' text book with Heackel's gill slit drawings is most likely
propaganda and dishonesty
since you steadfastly refuse to provide the title, author and
publication
date of that supposed book."
Augray said: "When are you going to admit that you made a mistake with
your handling of the question of the "geology textbook" you supposedly
saw the Haeckel diagrams in?
Tweedy wrote:
Included in the missing messages were:
1. A testable theory of Creation
2. The definition of "kind".
3. Evidence for a global flood.
4. A list of Creationist Nobel prize winners
5. The publication of the EAC members' names, addresses and phone
numbers.
6. The location of the REAL Noah's Ark.
7. Kent Hovind's PhD dissertation.
8. Duane Gish's bullfrog proteins
9. A proper citation of a geology textbook with Haeckel's embryo
chart.(orange cover optional)
10. A review of John Wilkins' early porn films
DJT
And even A. Carlson said: "I too, find it suspicious that a geology
textbook would for some reason contain Haeckel's embryo chart. "
Doesn't this all sound familiar?
The argument goes, Ron Wyatt did not find the Ark of the Covenant.
He has provided no evidence. He is a liar. We cannot wait. We
must have information now. Wyatt is a fraud.
The argument goes, John McCoy does not have a geology textbook that
has Haeckel's Chart therein. He has provided no evidence. He is a
liar. We cannot wait. We must have information now. McCoy is a fraud.
But, as I have said time and time again, do not call anyone a liar
without doing some research. Evolutionists do not have all the
evidence. They have preconceived notions in their heads that fills in
all the missing gaps in evolutionary philosophy. Where there is a
void in the fossil record they imagine the void to filled in. Where
there are interpretations needed to be made, the evolutionists will
quickly make them.
Evolutionary philosophy is so deeply impressed into their minds that
any old monkey bones will quickly morph into a hominid. But these
thoughts are illusory. Despite the fact that there are no gill slits
in the human embryo the evolutionist's illusions quickly fill in the
gaps and makes them homologous when they clearly are not.
I have said repeatedly that the evolutionists want their reality to be
true. Insomuch that they are willing to grasp the air without research
or comprehensive study. They have said that Wyatt is wrong on a
number of facts, but they, themselves will not get access to the
research materials. That is illogical and does not work for science.
I am so convinced of this that I even obtained a geology textbook that
has a copy of Haeckel's embryo chart. Yep, it is almost an exact copy
of the chart replete with the crossing human hands on the human
embryo. I guess I call this the trademark.
EARTH AND LIFE THROUGH TIME
Steven M. Stanley
John Hopkins University
W.H. Freeman and Company
1986 copyright
At anyrate, the point that I was trying to make is that Carlson and
Tweedy refuse to look at all the evidence yet continue to argue
against Ron Wyatt and the Durupinar site. They haven't seen one shred
of evidence in regard to the Ark of the Covenant yet argue that it
hasn't been found. And lately, both have expressed skepticism in
regard to a certain Haeckel chart in a geology book. Some have called
me liar and threads condemning me popped up on talk.origins. Now I've
provided the citation so the critics who lied about me have been
proven for what they are.
The moral of the story?
Consider all the evidence before you criticize and form an opinion.
Do not use the Carlson & Tweedy method, which is:
Take a pro-stance on evolution methods and decide that evolution is
true because it has to be. Also, condemn all creationists and find
what's wrong with them. Creationism is wrong because evolution has to
be right whether the facts support if or not. We don't care. We
won't read any creationist materials from a neutral viewpoint. We've
already decided, it's wrong. So what if McCoy has refuted us for the
umpteenth time. We'll just repeat the same old argument in belief
that if we say the same things continuously somebody will believe us.
JM
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: The Ark of the Covenant Argument |
05 Nov 2004 07:05:16 AM |
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"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0411041604.fa0af22@posting.google.com...
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
Give it up, you moron.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: The Ark of the Covenant Argument |
05 Nov 2004 08:35:01 AM |
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In our last episode <2v1c4cF2gfeplU1@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0411041604.fa0af22@posting.google.com...
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
Give it up, you moron.
I wonder what the *hell he thought the point was of "bringing" this crap
*here?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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05 Nov 2004 09:34:45 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:IaSdnSpC6YDQEhbcRVn-3g@megapath.net...
In our last episode <2v1c4cF2gfeplU1@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0411041604.fa0af22@posting.google.com...
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
Give it up, you moron.
I wonder what the *hell he thought the point was of "bringing" this crap
*here?
Especially since his "arguements" will just get torn to shreds like the last
50 times he's bought up the subject. Sheesh!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: The Ark of the Covenant Argument |
05 Nov 2004 11:50:03 AM |
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:34:45 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:IaSdnSpC6YDQEhbcRVn-3g@megapath.net...
In our last episode <2v1c4cF2gfeplU1@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0411041604.fa0af22@posting.google.com...
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
Give it up, you moron.
I wonder what the *hell he thought the point was of "bringing" this crap
*here?
Especially since his "arguements" will just get torn to shreds like the last
50 times he's bought up the subject. Sheesh!
He's taking pot-shots for the Lord against an enemy that he himself
created where there wouldn't be one.
Something 59,054,087 Americans don't understand when their President
creates enemies where there wouldn't be any.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Nov 2004 02:13:58 PM |
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In our last episode <p5fno0t5lqbin504ln86fdt544qmoo80gq@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:34:45 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:IaSdnSpC6YDQEhbcRVn-3g@megapath.net...
In our last episode <2v1c4cF2gfeplU1@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0411041604.fa0af22@posting.google.com...
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
Give it up, you moron.
I wonder what the *hell he thought the point was of "bringing" this
crap *here?
Especially since his "arguements" will just get torn to shreds like the
last 50 times he's bought up the subject. Sheesh!
He's taking pot-shots for the Lord against an enemy that he himself
created where there wouldn't be one.
Something 59,054,087 Americans don't understand when their President
creates enemies where there wouldn't be any.
Sigh.
We just had a rant in the letters section of the local paper in which some
idiot said the war on Iraq wasn't unprovoked, it was provoked on Sept. 11.
They're just not getting any smarter...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Woden wodencharternet" |
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| Title: Re: The Ark of the Covenant Argument |
04 Nov 2004 06:46:48 PM |
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(J McCoy) wrote in news:3f355ee.0411041604.fa0af22
@posting.google.com:
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
(snip remainder of whining *****)
I can see why you don't get any respect in talk.origins and won't get much
here in alt.atheism. And to top it off, you're so fucking stupid you don't
know the difference between the "ark of the covenent" and "Noah's ark".
You ought to at least read your own myths before you try and sell them
around here.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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05 Nov 2004 09:39:54 AM |
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Woden wrote:
< snip >
And to top it off, you're so fucking stupid you don't
know the difference between the "ark of the covenent" and "Noah's ark".
You ought to at least read your own myths before you try and sell them
around here.
Or at least watch "Raiders of the Lost Ark", fer gawd's sake.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Raptor514" |
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04 Nov 2004 08:44:27 PM |
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If anyone claims to discover the Ark of the Covenant, (or Noah's Ark, which
is it?) then it's up to them to prove it. If someone really had found
either of those things there wouldn't be any question about it.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Nov 2004 06:53:57 PM |
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In our last episode <3f355ee.0411041604.fa0af22@posting.google.com>, J
McCoy lept out of the bushes shouting:
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism.
Why would you bring Wyatt babble *here? We all think he's a kook too.
Not to mention, we all think YOU'RE a kook...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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04 Nov 2004 06:56:18 PM |
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J McCoy wrote:
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
The post(s) did appear on T.O.
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| User: "J McCoy" |
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05 Nov 2004 10:57:56 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<ScAid.17919$6q2.13148@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>...
J McCoy wrote:
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
The post(s) did appear on T.O.
After my second try and it successfully made it to alt.atheism.
JM
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Nov 2004 03:28:18 PM |
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In our last episode <3f355ee.0411050857.4c1eb12c@posting.google.com>, J
McCoy lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:<ScAid.17919$6q2.13148@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>...
J McCoy wrote:
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
The post(s) did appear on T.O.
After my second try and it successfully made it to alt.atheism.
And we still think you're a totally idiotic kook.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Nov 2004 07:08:06 PM |
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In our last episode <ScAid.17919$6q2.13148@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
Mike Painter lept out of the bushes shouting:
J McCoy wrote:
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
The post(s) did appear on T.O.
WHAAAAAAA?????
McNameless is a *liar? Say it ain't so!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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05 Nov 2004 09:38:10 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
J McCoy wrote:
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
The post(s) did appear on T.O.
Doesn't T.O. only block articles that are crossposted to more than 2 or
3 other groups? They didn't have any sort of content moderation, at
least not the last time I checked.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Nov 2004 03:27:58 PM |
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In our last episode <2v1l34F2gikioU1@uni-berlin.de>, Tukla Ratte lept out
of the bushes shouting:
Mike Painter wrote:
J McCoy wrote:
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism. Read the below and you'll
understand.
The post(s) did appear on T.O.
Doesn't T.O. only block articles that are crossposted to more than 2 or 3
other groups? They didn't have any sort of content moderation, at least
not the last time I checked.
Yep. And you can tell the kooks. They're the ones that whine t.o. is
"censoring" them...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "raven1" |
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04 Nov 2004 06:08:11 PM |
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On 4 Nov 2004 16:04:20 -0800, (J McCoy) wrote:
Since I've tried several times to get this posted on Talk.origins and
failed, I've brought it to alt.atheism.
<snip>
John, I read both this post and a number of replies to it on
talk.origins several hours ago.
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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04 Nov 2004 06:41:59 PM |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:04:20 -0800, J McCoy wrote:
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Lately several individuals on talk.origins have been fighting against
the idea that a certain late Ron Wyatt could not have found the Ark of
the Covenant. There have been made sarcastic comments that do not go
beyond simply poo-pooing the idea.
,,
Can anybody cite some peer-reviewed scholary journals where this Ron
Wyatt's alleged findings are discussed? I did an extended search online
through my college's online journal databases for any articles by Ron
Wyatt or articles citing him, and found nothing. If his findings had any
legitamacy, they should be published in scholary academic journals (or
archeology, etc.). Are there any such articles, and if so what is the name
of the journal, what volume/number, what page, etc.?
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