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"J Young" |
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05 Mar 2005 10:08:24 PM |
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The atheist double standard |
Since the Catholic Church is always faced with having to explain it's
actions or non-actions during various points in history, shouldn't
atheists be held to the same standard regarding Josef Stalin, former
Communist dictator and defender of their doctrine of atheism. Atheists
stood by and sang this mans praises while he was killing millions of
his own people. Why so much criticism of catholics but such silence for
atheists?
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/050305/w030504.html
Hundreds pay tribute to Stalin on anniversary of his death
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| User: "Zadok" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
06 Mar 2005 08:11:17 AM |
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"J Young" <> does some religionist crying...
Since the Catholic Church is always faced with having to explain it's
actions or non-actions during various points in history, shouldn't
atheists be held to the same standard regarding Josef Stalin, former
Communist dictator and defender of their doctrine of atheism.
How come you compare a church, that claims to be historically accurate, and
infallible, with a dictator, who was a blip on the stage of history.
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being athiest, or
religious. It was simply a fact that you either do it my way, or you die.
It was more you either believe in the communist system, or you are the
enemy.
But that is the great thing about you religionists. Making excuses for your
own sins, by trying to lessen your guilt, by pointing out that some
historical nut did the same thing.
You just can't get past, a bible that says Thou shall not kill, and your
church burning human beings at the stake, simply because they chose to
believe something different.
Do you suppose that religionist, thought of, let he that is without sin,
when he lit the fire that was going to burn another human being??
Take a match. Light it and hold it under your finger. Just give yourself a
little burn. Then imagine burning someone to death.
You have a very religious day!! Smile.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
07 Mar 2005 01:00:35 PM |
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Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
athiest, or
religious. It was simply a fact that you either do it my way, or you
die.
It was more you either believe in the communist system, or you are
the
enemy.
Maybe the only exception of this general rule of Stalin's behaviour is
a persecution against Ortodox church in 1937. But, the same
persecutions you will find as well in Catholic church against
Protestants, or in Taliban's Afganistan against anyone else.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
07 Mar 2005 05:39:37 PM |
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wrote:
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
athiest, or religious. It was simply a fact that you either do it my
way, or you die. It was more you either believe in the communist
system, or you are the enemy.
Maybe the only exception of this general rule of Stalin's behaviour is
a persecution against Ortodox church in 1937. But, the same
persecutions you will find as well in Catholic church against
Protestants, or in Taliban's Afganistan against anyone else.
In point of fact, under Nicholai, the Orthodox Church persecuted millions of
people, Jews, and non-Orthodox Christian denominations. This is probably
what spurred Stalin to persecute the Orthodox Church. Proving once again
that Religionists are almost always their own worst enemies.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Wargamer Scott" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
07 Mar 2005 09:09:46 PM |
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Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
But, the same persecutions you will find as well in Catholic church
against
Protestants, or in Taliban's Afghanistan against anyone else.<<<
Don't mix apples and oranges. I know of no evidence in which the
Catholic Church sentenced millions of people to labor camps and/or death in
a fashion reminiscent of Stalin or Hitler. When it comes to spilling blood,
the 20th Century's record, as created by the "great" secular powers, remains
unmatched.
Condemned to the Games,
S.D. Tortorice
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"Forward, no matter what happens! Cling tightly to Our Lords hand
and remember that God does not lose battles. ----St. Josemaria
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
07 Mar 2005 09:44:11 PM |
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"Wargamer Scott" <wargamerscott@peoplepcnospam.com> wrote in message
news:_H8Xd.6062$603.411@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Oh, bull.*Not* "only an atheist".
The opposite of "truly embracing" Xianity is *not* "etheist."
There are tons of gradations between.
Susan
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
08 Mar 2005 12:51:11 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:09:46 GMT, "Wargamer Scott"
<wargamerscott@peoplepcnospam.com> wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen.
Nonsense, massacres for political reasons are common throughout human
history. Most of them have been committed by theists of one kind or
another. There is absolutely nothing in atheism that would make a
person more likely to be a killer. If there were, there would be more
atheists being arrested for such crimes.
A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
I see, you are right according to your own definition, since any
Christian who has done such things would be, according to your
definition, not a Christian. Christians certainly are fond of
bagpipes.
But, the same persecutions you will find as well in Catholic church
against
Protestants, or in Taliban's Afghanistan against anyone else.<<<
Don't mix apples and oranges. I know of no evidence in which the
Catholic Church sentenced millions of people to labor camps and/or death in
a fashion reminiscent of Stalin or Hitler. When it comes to spilling blood,
the 20th Century's record, as created by the "great" secular powers, remains
unmatched.
As were their technical resources. Just think what Torquemada or
Luther could have done to the Jews if they had had the same resources
as Hitler.
Thomas P.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people whom we do not like."
Oscar Wilde
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
08 Mar 2005 01:54:21 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:51:11 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:09:46 GMT, "Wargamer Scott"
<wargamerscott@peoplepcnospam.com> wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen.
Nonsense, massacres for political reasons are common throughout human
history. Most of them have been committed by theists of one kind or
another. There is absolutely nothing in atheism that would make a
person more likely to be a killer. If there were, there would be more
atheists being arrested for such crimes.
A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
I see, you are right according to your own definition, since any
Christian who has done such things would be, according to your
definition, not a Christian. Christians certainly are fond of
bagpipes.
The word for somebody who dishonestlty redefines "Christian" this way
is"liar.
Their religion has a commandment about this which they imagine applies
only to non-Christians.
And they nastily imagine that when we correct their bigoted falsehoods
about atheists, we are lying.
Is it any wonder people react so negatively to them?
But, the same persecutions you will find as well in Catholic church
against
Protestants, or in Taliban's Afghanistan against anyone else.<<<
Don't mix apples and oranges. I know of no evidence in which the
Catholic Church sentenced millions of people to labor camps and/or death in
a fashion reminiscent of Stalin or Hitler. When it comes to spilling blood,
the 20th Century's record, as created by the "great" secular powers, remains
unmatched.
As were their technical resources. Just think what Torquemada or
Luther could have done to the Jews if they had had the same resources
as Hitler.
Thomas P.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people whom we do not like."
Oscar Wilde
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
08 Mar 2005 06:28:17 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:09:46 GMT, "Wargamer Scott"
<wargamerscott@peoplepcnospam.com> wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
But, the same persecutions you will find as well in Catholic church
against
Protestants, or in Taliban's Afghanistan against anyone else.<<<
Don't mix apples and oranges. I know of no evidence in which the
Catholic Church sentenced millions of people to labor camps and/or death in
a fashion reminiscent of Stalin or Hitler. When it comes to spilling blood,
the 20th Century's record, as created by the "great" secular powers, remains
unmatched.
Hitler was a Catholic.
Stalin was educated in a Seminary, was attended by Russian Orthodox
priests and had an Orthodox funeral.
Religion is a powerful motivator, and the holocaust was the
culmination of almost 2000 years of institutionalised anti=Semitism
fostered by both Catholic and later the Protestant churches.
It's not atheists who regarded Jews as Christ-killers.
And perhaps you will explain how being secular (ie accommodating all
religions equally by ignoring them) can do what you pretend?
Or how not believing in Santa Claus or its exact equivalent in the
minds of atheists, not believing in the deity of somebody else's
religion, can motivate anything at all or justify it?
You need to look at what somebody is, and what motivates them instead
of pretending that what they aren't, can motivate or justify anything.
Condemned to the Games,
S.D. Tortorice
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"Forward, no matter what happens! Cling tightly to Our Lords hand
and remember that God does not lose battles. ----St. Josemaria
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
09 Mar 2005 09:44:14 PM |
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Wargamer Scott wrote:
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Keyword "Crusades."
Oops.
Don't mix apples and oranges. I know of no evidence in which the
Catholic Church sentenced millions of people to labor camps and/or death in
a fashion reminiscent of Stalin or Hitler. When it comes to spilling blood,
the 20th Century's record, as created by the "great" secular powers, remains
unmatched.
Keyword "Inquisitions."
Oops.
"Forward, no matter what happens! Cling tightly to Our Lords hand
and remember that God does not lose battles. ----St. Josemaria
And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of the
mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because
they had chariots of iron. (Judges 1:19)
Oops.
--
Quoted in the New Scientist [1995]:
A Doctor at Yale has observed that all the fingers have names, but that only the big toe has a name. He thus proposes names for all 5 toes: porcellus fori, porcellus domi, porcellus carnivorus, porcellus non voratus, porcellus plorans domum.
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
07 Mar 2005 10:54:15 PM |
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Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
08 Mar 2005 03:56:54 AM |
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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
<snip>
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| User: "Sylvia Beach" |
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08 Mar 2005 07:30:31 AM |
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wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
<snip>
Albert Speer, his closest associate, says otherwise.
--
Sylvia Beach
Shakespeare & Co., Booksellers
12 Rue de l'Odeon
Paris, France
.....A slender body, hands soft and white
For the service of my delight.
Two sprouting breasts
Round and sweet
Invite my hungry mouth to eat.
From whence two nipples firm and pink
Persuade my thirsty soul to drink
And lower still a secret place
Where I'd fain hide my loving face....."
Isadora Duncan
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| User: "" |
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08 Mar 2005 06:33:54 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:30:31 GMT, Sylvia Beach
<BeachS@ShakespeareCoBookseller.fr> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
<snip>
Albert Speer, his closest associate, says otherwise.
Certainly. What would you expect? Non-biased GERMAN historians say
Hitler was (even though closeted) a homosexual and there is little
question that he was an atheist.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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08 Mar 2005 06:36:59 PM |
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Certainly. What would you expect? Non-biased GERMAN historians say
Hitler was (even though closeted) a homosexual and there is little
question that he was an atheist.
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter." --Adolf Hitler (1922).
Next?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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08 Mar 2005 07:47:22 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
Certainly. What would you expect? Non-biased GERMAN historians say
Hitler was (even though closeted) a homosexual and there is little
question that he was an atheist.
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter." --Adolf Hitler (1922).
Next?
A lot of his writings contain references to god etc.
So what.
The people *WERE* Christians. The soldiers wore "God is with us." on their
belt buckles.
The business men who negotiated for slave labor trading "good" for "bad"
were Christians. (Good was young able-bodied people. Bad was the old and the
disabled)
They were Catholic and Protestant and they followed willingly.
They staffed the death camps and the labor camps.
They did gods work.
Hitler preached the message of Martin Luther and the German Christian nation
read their bibles and listened to their preachers and followed.
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| User: "" |
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09 Mar 2005 01:41:57 AM |
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Certainly. What would you expect? Non-biased GERMAN historians say
Hitler was (even though closeted) a homosexual and there is little
question that he was an atheist.
So Eva Braun was actually secret name of Adam Green?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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09 Mar 2005 07:02:01 AM |
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On 8 Mar 2005 23:41:57 -0800, wrote:
Certainly. What would you expect? Non-biased GERMAN historians say
Hitler was (even though closeted) a homosexual and there is little
question that he was an atheist.
So Eva Braun was actually secret name of Adam Green?
Why do they repeatedly lie about him being an atheist? He was a
Catholic, and remained a member of that church until his death.
An atheist wouldn't call Jews Christ-killers or do "the Lord's work"
(his own words) against the Jews. Only a Christian could hold the
presumptions required to do that.
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| User: "" |
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09 Mar 2005 05:35:48 PM |
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Why do they repeatedly lie about him being an atheist? He was a
Catholic, and remained a member of that church until his death.
Even if Hitler was not kind of Catholic that the church will be proud
of, he made something very important for Catholic church. The whole
Europe was occupied, including Rome in early 1944. Hitler had
capability to destroy Catholic church like he have almost done with
Jewish religion. But his soldiers did not enter Vatican. Why Hitler
respected soverenity and neutrality of this half square kilometers,
essential for Chatholic church, but completely ignored rights of any
other European country?
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
10 Mar 2005 10:22:06 PM |
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wrote:
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Will ROHAWA do? (Or do you want something more recent than the present?)
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
A curious one. Baptized, *and* on record as "after his niece."
Oops.
--
Quoted in the New Scientist [1995]:
A Doctor at Yale has observed that all the fingers have names, but that only the big toe has a name. He thus proposes names for all 5 toes: porcellus fori, porcellus domi, porcellus carnivorus, porcellus non voratus, porcellus plorans domum.
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| User: "R?ain - ריעין" |
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10 Mar 2005 11:23:55 PM |
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ANOTHER FUCKING NAZI IN OHIO, Columbus, Ohio to be more specific...
"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:O19Yd.6102$4k2.1177@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
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: Will ROHAWA do? (Or do you want something more recent than the
present?)
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: Quoted in the New Scientist [1995]:
: A Doctor at Yale has observed that all the fingers have names, but
that only the big toe has a name. He thus proposes names for all 5 toes:
porcellus fori, porcellus domi, porcellus carnivorus, porcellus non
voratus, porcellus plorans domum.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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11 Mar 2005 05:46:59 AM |
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Rain - ריעין wrote:
ANOTHER FUCKING NAZI IN OHIO, Columbus, Ohio to be more specific...
Wake up and smell the Prozac, dear.
--
Quoted in the New Scientist [1995]:
A Doctor at Yale has observed that all the fingers have names, but that only the big toe has a name. He thus proposes names for all 5 toes: porcellus fori, porcellus domi, porcellus carnivorus, porcellus non voratus, porcellus plorans domum.
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| User: "Fritz" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
08 Mar 2005 12:17:34 PM |
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wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
Whether Hitler was gay or not is irrelevant, he still used the hatred
for the Jews to mobilize his nation into a dangerous war machine.
Much like the christian right is trying to do with gay in this age.
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "Clayton: The Reason The Housewives Are Desperate!" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
11 Mar 2005 01:13:49 AM |
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"Fritz" <fsmitbh@bjeyqggcpl.net> wrote in message
news:422DEC3D.2E681717@bjeyqggcpl.net...
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as
only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen.
A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
Whether Hitler was gay or not is irrelevant, he still used the hatred
for the Jews to mobilize his nation into a dangerous war machine.
Much like the christian right is trying to do with gay in this age.
wbt is a notorious, lying, hate mongering neo-nazi troll....don't waste your
breath trying to refute him...he knows every word he says is a lie and he
loves every single moment of the hate he spreads!!!
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| User: "" |
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08 Mar 2005 06:34:35 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:17:34 -0500, Fritz <fsmitbh@bjeyqggcpl.net>
wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
Whether Hitler was gay or not is irrelevant, he still used the hatred
for the Jews to mobilize his nation into a dangerous war machine.
Much like the christian right is trying to do with gay in this age.
That's not true. How can you make such a statement with a straight
face. I don't and I don't think you do either, know of a single homo
that's been baked in the US.
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "Fritz" |
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09 Mar 2005 09:49:25 AM |
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wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:17:34 -0500, Fritz <fsmitbh@bjeyqggcpl.net>
wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
Whether Hitler was gay or not is irrelevant, he still used the hatred
for the Jews to mobilize his nation into a dangerous war machine.
Much like the christian right is trying to do with gay in this age.
That's not true. How can you make such a statement with a straight
face. I don't and I don't think you do either, know of a single homo
that's been baked in the US.
You poor thing.
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
08 Mar 2005 02:07:13 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:56:54 GMT, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
No he wasn't. Got anything real?
Thomas P.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people whom we do not like."
Oscar Wilde
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
09 Mar 2005 04:47:19 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:07:13 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:56:54 GMT, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
No he wasn't. Got anything real?
Read it and weep, boy:
HOMO HITLER
Adolf Hitler was homosexual and had a number of homoerotic
relationships in his youth, a well known German historian has
asserted.
Lothar Machtan, a professor of history at Germany's University of
Bremen, writes in his new book "Hitler's Secret - The Double Life of a
Dictator" that the future Nazi leader cultivated close, affectionate
relationships with a number of men in his youth that had heavily
erotic overtones.
"We can say that Hitler had several homoerotic friendships up through
the 1920s," Machtan told Die Welt newspaper.
"Many of them would be described by people today as homosexual."
He said that Hitler during this period belonged to a circle of male
friends in the southern German city of Munich that had a "homosexual
orientation".
There is no definitive "proof" that Hitler had sex with men, Machan
said. But he asserted there was clear circumstantial evidence of
homoerotic relationships throughout Hitler's early life.
Machan said his theory was relevant to the study of the history of the
Nazi period both in terms of the new light it shed on Hitler as a man
and the role it might have played in the Fuehrer's political
decisions.
"From 1930 on, Hitler felt that he could be blackmailed for his past,"
Machan said.
"From that point, he was forced again and again to defend himself
against such attempts."
Machtan writes that Hitler's later relationship with Eva Braun, his
companion during the length of his rule whom he married shortly before
their double suicide in 1945, was only for show and probably never
consummated.
Rumors about Hitler's possible homosexuality have surfaced repeatedly
since World War II, but Machan said he presents fresh accounts and
previously unpublished documents that led new credence to the theory.
The book, which attracted extensive attention in Germany's weekend
press, will be presented this week at the giant Frankfurt Book Fair.
Machtan, 52, has been a professor at the University of Bremen since
1989, specializing in 19th and 20th century history. He is the author
of a successful 1998 biography of the first chancellor of the German
empire, Otto von Bismarck.
*******
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
09 Mar 2005 10:02:35 PM |
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wrote:
Adolf Hitler was homosexual and had a number of homoerotic
relationships in his youth, a well known German historian has
asserted.
An odd sort of homosexual; You know, the one that goes after
pre-pubescent girls, gets -- ahem -- "social diseases" from female
prostitutes, and marries a woman; yet isn't a lesbian...
--
Quoted in the New Scientist [1995]:
A Doctor at Yale has observed that all the fingers have names, but that only the big toe has a name. He thus proposes names for all 5 toes: porcellus fori, porcellus domi, porcellus carnivorus, porcellus non voratus, porcellus plorans domum.
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
09 Mar 2005 07:44:13 PM |
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wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:07:13 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:56:54 GMT, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with
being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist
as only an
atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his own
countrymen. A
person who truly embraces Christ could never do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
No he wasn't. Got anything real?
Read it and weep, boy:
HOMO HITLER
Adolf Hitler was homosexual and had a number of homoerotic
relationships in his youth, a well known German historian has
asserted.
So if I assert that Hitler was a three-headed cyclops who knitted the
autobahn, would that also be true?
Let's look at this.
<snip>
"We can say that Hitler had several homoerotic friendships up through
the 1920s," Machtan told Die Welt newspaper.
Yep. We can say Elvis is president, too.
There is no definitive "proof" that Hitler had sex with men, Machan
said. But he asserted there was clear circumstantial evidence of
homoerotic relationships throughout Hitler's early life.
So he's got no proof. Just assertions about some "circumstantial
evidence."
Machtan writes that Hitler's later relationship with Eva Braun, his
companion during the length of his rule whom he married shortly
before
their double suicide in 1945, was only for show and probably never
consummated.
Ooo, probably. I'm convinced.
<snip>
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: The atheist double standard |
09 Mar 2005 07:48:23 PM |
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JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
<jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:07:13 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:56:54 GMT, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:15 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Wargamer Scott wrote:
Greetings,
Stalin's killing millions of people had nothing to do with
being
atheist, or religious. >>
Actually, it had everything to do with him being an atheist
as only an atheist could sanction the deaths of millions of his
own countrymen. A person who truly embraces Christ could never
do such a thing.
Have you told that to the people who started the Crusades? The
Inquisition? The other "holy wars"? Hitler?
Crusades, Inquisition other holy wars -- got anything more recent?
Hitler was a homosexual atheist, by the way.
No he wasn't. Got anything real?
Read it and weep, boy:
HOMO HITLER
Adolf Hitler was homosexual and had a number of homoerotic
relationships in his youth, a well known German historian has
asserted.
So if I assert that Hitler was a three-headed cyclops who knitted the
autobahn, would that also be true?
Let's look at this.
<snip>
"We can say that Hitler had several homoerotic friendships up through
the 1920s," Machtan told Die Welt newspaper.
Yep. We can say Elvis is president, too.
There is no definitive "proof" that Hitler had sex with men, Machan
said. But he asserted there was clear circumstantial evidence of
homoerotic relationships throughout Hitler's early life.
So he's got no proof. Just assertions about some "circumstantial
evidence."
Machtan writes that Hitler's later relationship with Eva Braun, his
companion during the length of his rule whom he married shortly
before their double suicide in 1945, was only for show and probably
never consummated.
Ooo, probably. I'm convinced.
<snip>
To bad Machtan's only evidence was a guy that changed his story five or six
times before finally settling. There is no legitimate evidence that Hitler
ever had a single homosexual relationship.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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