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The Atheist Gospel Of Ayn Rand |
Suddenly Tories are asking: Who is John Galt? The answer is: Bad news
by Harrington, Michael
According to the Daily Telegraph, a number of Conservative MPs and
candidates are seriously planning to establish a breakaway right-wing
party influenced by the ideas of Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged, first
published in 1957. Rand is one of those strange but intriguing figures
who used to hang around in the intellectual underworld of the 20th
century and never entirely went away. She is still a hero on the
libertarian Right in the United States, but it is rare to hear her name
in English Conservative circles.
Ayn Rand was born in Russia into a prosperous middle-class family that
was ruined by the Revolution. She got herself to America in the 1920s
and achieved considerable notoriety in the 1960s as the prophet of a
brand of economic individualism more rigid and extreme than anyone had
previously imagined. One of her followers was Alan Greenspan, nowadays
the respectable chairman of the Federal Reserve. Her theme that
altruism is the root of all evil, and every form of taxation a kind of
theft, found a warm response from many able and ambitious young
Americans.
Margaret Thatcher never really meant to say that there was no such
thing as society, but Ayn Rand would have said it and meant it. On this
precise point she quarrelled with people like Hayek and Friedman. They
believed in free-enterprise capitalism for the common social good, or
greater general prosperity. To Ayn Rand it was a matter of individual
rights: once you started talking about the common good you were letting
collectivism in through the back door.
According to Gore Vidal, Atlas Shrugged is the one novel that everybody
in the US Congress has actually read. Her books sell about 200,000
copies a year, mostly to college students. Helen Mirren recently won an
Emmy for her portrayal of Ayn Rand in an American television movie
about her life - a life in which she achieved fame and some fortune but
which was emotionally destructive for everybody who was close to her,
and which left her lonely and miserable at the end in 1982.
`Who is John Gait?' is the question that begins Atlas Shrugged, The
answer is that he is a messiah or anti-messiah, who seeks his disciples
among the talented and successful people in business, science and the
arts. Though few people have noticed it, Atlas Shrugged is a long,
inverted and malevolent parody of the New Testament. Galt convinces his
followers, without much difficulty, that they have been working too
hard on behalf of others instead of spending all their time on their
own interests. They are being exploited by a corrupt semi-socialist
political system. And by allowing themselves to be used they are
enabling the system to continue.
They join Galt on a secret strike, withholding their services from
society in order to bring about a collapse: the end of the world, in
effect. Galt is an engineer whose miracle is a machine that converts
static electricity in the atmosphere into motive power, thus giving
mankind unlimited, cheap and environmentally-healthy energy.
Galt destroys the miraculous machine so that a corrupt society cannot
have it. Jesus in the Gospels used divine power to heal the sick. Galt
withholds scientific knowledge knowing that the sick will die. Jesus
sent his disciples into the world to heal and preach and save. Galt
calls his disciples in from the world in order to bring it down in
ruin. There is a kind of Day of Judgment in Atlas Shrugged in which
Galt addresses the American people, having taken temporary control of
the radio stations. He says, in effect, `You are in a terrible mess; it
is all your own fault, and it is no use thinking that I am going to
lift a finger to help you.' He then bangs on for 35,000 words spelling
out Ayn Rand's objectivist philosophy.
It is the men of the mind who create wealth, he tells them. Without
them there can be only poverty and desolation, as the world is now
starting to see. The code of self-sacrifice must be ended, the pursuit
of self-interest recognised as the source of all good, and a
laissez-faire economic system established if the men of the mind are to
end their strike. He concludes his speech with Rand's moral credo: 'I
swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake
of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.'
One of Rand's heroes in Atlas Shrugged is Ragnar, a former student of
philosophy who has somehow become a pirate. Ragnar says he is out to
destroy and discredit the legend of Robin Hood. `He was the man who
robbed the rich and gave to the poor; I'm the man who robs the poor and
gives to the rich, or, to be more exact, the man who robs the thieving
poor and gives back to the productive rich.' We could take this to be
Ayn Rand's response to the Sermon on the Mount.
After his big Judgment Day speech Galt is captured by the socialist
looters and tortured. The Romans crucified Jesus because he claimed to
be the Messiah. In Atlas Shrugged the looters try to force Galt to
become a messiah and show them how to save the world - which he refuses
to do. Eventually his fellow strikers rescue him. A little later the
world collapses into total anarchy. Galt is satisfied, and the last
words of the book read:
`The road is cleared,' said Galt. `We are going back to the world.' He
raised his hand and over the desolate earth he traced in space the sign
of the dollar.
Rand claimed to be interested in men of independent mind, but in
practice she could never tolerate any contradiction. She surrounded
herself with acolytes: emotional cripples who found that Rand's work
gave them a kind of ecstasy and who just wanted to be near her. They
lived for her approval and were terrified of her wrath. She became a
kind of sacred monster, and the guru of a cult which still continues,
though it is now divided into bitter factions who hurl abuse at each
other over the Internet. Yet she had real talent, amounting almost to
genius, as a mythic storyteller. Because of her story-telling gift she
was able to seduce quite intelligent people, for a while. Her new
British admirers should note, however, that she reserved her most
withering contempt for conservatives.
Spectator, The, Aug 17, 2002
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_200208/ai_n9100845
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| User: "The DCLXVIth Earl of Helpus." |
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06 Aug 2005 08:59:37 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_200208/ai_n9100845
If you are trying to tar all atheists with the same brush as that loony
Ayn Rand, you are doomed to failure. It comes down to the same pile of
rat ***** as smearing us with the alleged crimes of Stalin, Mao and Pol
Pot. It is meaningless. You simply do not understand that, unlike your
Death Cult, atheism is not a prescriptive doctrine. It has precisely
nothing to say about social justice or, in and of itself, morality.
Ayn Rand appears to have been a self-styled philosopher just like
Anthony Flew, and, for the same reasons of academic prostitution, came
to the same 'conclusion' (adequately remunerated) that social justice
is fundamentally evil because it compromises personal freedom. You will
find that most of the people who profoundly disagree with this, and
particularly those, like myself, who believe that social justice is
perfectly feasible and therefore necessary, are also atheists. It's
about figuring things out and not being told what to think.
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| User: "ToniG" |
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| Title: Re: The Atheist Gospel Of Ayn Rand |
06 Aug 2005 09:25:17 PM |
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"The DCLXVIth Earl of Helpus." <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote in message
news:1123379977.437586.97450@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
wordsoftruth114@email.com wrote:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_200208/ai_n9100845
If you are trying to tar all atheists with the same brush as that loony
Ayn Rand, you are doomed to failure. It comes down to the same pile of
rat ***** as smearing us with the alleged crimes of Stalin, Mao and Pol
Pot. It is meaningless. You simply do not understand that, unlike your
Death Cult, atheism is not a prescriptive doctrine. It has precisely
nothing to say about social justice or, in and of itself, morality.
Ayn Rand appears to have been a self-styled philosopher just like
Anthony Flew, and, for the same reasons of academic prostitution, came
to the same 'conclusion' (adequately remunerated) that social justice
is fundamentally evil because it compromises personal freedom. You will
find that most of the people who profoundly disagree with this, and
particularly those, like myself, who believe that social justice is
perfectly feasible and therefore necessary, are also atheists. It's
about figuring things out and not being told what to think.
You yourself need some *serious help* with thinking, sonny: Antony Flew
isn't a 'self-styled philosopher': he *actually is* a trained and
academically accredited philosopher and Professor of Philosophy. His
original philosophical works, none of which you will ever be able to
understand, include 'A New Approach to Psychical Research' (1953), 'God and
Philosophy' (1966) and 'Evolutionary Ethics' (1967).
Try learning what high-sounding expressions like 'self-styled' mean before
you make the mistake of believing that using them means you have something
to say.
Toni.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: The Atheist Gospel Of Ayn Rand |
08 Aug 2005 06:51:06 AM |
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 02:25:17 GMT, "ToniG" <ToniGray@fhsyystebu.com> wrote:
You yourself need some *serious help* with thinking, sonny: Antony Flew
isn't a 'self-styled philosopher': he *actually is* a trained and
academically accredited philosopher and Professor of Philosophy. His
original philosophical works, none of which you will ever be able to
understand, include 'A New Approach to Psychical Research' (1953), 'God and
Philosophy' (1966) and 'Evolutionary Ethics' (1967).
Are you trying to tell us that Flew, couldn't, or didn't, talk a load of crap?
But tell us, in your own words, just what exactly do you think a philosopher,
is.
And then tell us what use, you think philosophers, and philosophy, is.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: The Atheist Gospel Of Ayn Rand |
07 Aug 2005 03:58:19 PM |
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wrote:
Suddenly Tories are asking: Who is John Galt? The answer is: Bad news
Ayn Rand was not an atheist. She was an "Objectivist."
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Aug 2005 10:26:59 AM |
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In episode <1123378334.987040.265370@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wordsoftruth114 burst into the room and exclaimed:
Suddenly Tories are asking:
Doesn't "wordoftroll" have a life?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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07 Aug 2005 11:16:46 AM |
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:26:59 -0500 in alt.atheism, Mark K. Bilbo
("Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
In episode <1123378334.987040.265370@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wordsoftruth114 burst into the room and exclaimed:
Suddenly Tories are asking:
Doesn't "wordoftroll" have a life?
No, and that's why he wants yours!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Aug 2005 11:55:18 AM |
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In episode <i1dcf1tuoi1a50ag7urkuhv0qcugi3dqgn@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
burst into the room and exclaimed:
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:26:59 -0500 in alt.atheism, Mark K. Bilbo
("Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
In episode <1123378334.987040.265370@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wordsoftruth114 burst into the room and exclaimed:
Suddenly Tories are asking:
Doesn't "wordoftroll" have a life?
No, and that's why he wants yours!
Lately, the way things have gone, he can have it. Cheap!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "gab" |
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| Title: Re: The Atheist Gospel Of Ayn Rand |
07 Aug 2005 05:26:50 PM |
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2. Jerusalem Boy, 10, Suffers Serious Head Wounds in Terror
Attack
Palestinian terrorists fired from a passing vehicle, seriously
wounding a 10-year-old north of Jerusalem. He was flown by helicopter to
Hadassah Ein Karem Hospital, where he is being treated.
A car was on its way westward to the Jewish community of Ateret at
around 11 AM, carrying three people: The 44-year-old driver, a resident of
Ateret; his friend from the Pisgat Ze'ev neighborhood of Jerusalem; and the
latter's 10-year-old son. Not far from the old British police station at the
Wadi Haramiye junction, terrorists in a passing vehicle opened massive fire
at the car. The boy was severely wounded with at least one gunshot to the
head, and the lightly-hurt driver was able to continue on to Ateret, calling
security forces along the way.
Once in Ateret, an emergency Magen David Adom medical team
administered first aid to the boy, and he was then flown by helicopter
southward to Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital in the capital.
In the meanwhile, army forces took off in pursuit of the terrorists.
They quickly found the abandoned car near Jelazun, just northwest of Beit
El. The terrorist had set the car on fire and continued their escape by
foot.
Several hours after the boy - Pinchas ben [son of] Sarit - arrived at
the hospital, his condition was reported as serious but stable. His life is
no longer considered endangered, but doctors are checking the extent of
brain damage. Pinchas' father, who was unhurt in the attack, was standing by
his son's side, reciting Psalms on his behalf.
Earlier today, Palestinian terrorists opened fire at an IDF force near
Tul Karem, east of Netanya. The Israeli force returned fire, and no
casualties were reported. The Arab terrorist organization Hamas threatened
yesterday to avenge the murder of the four Druze citizens in Shfar'am on
Thursday.
Israeli sources report that Palestinian terrorists have obtained
bulletproof vests used by the UN. It is feared that the terrorists will
attempt to use the vests in attacks against Israelis.
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:4LSdnS5DG-JroWvfRVn-jw@megapath.net...
In episode <i1dcf1tuoi1a50ag7urkuhv0qcugi3dqgn@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
burst into the room and exclaimed:
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:26:59 -0500 in alt.atheism, Mark K. Bilbo
("Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>) said, directing the reply
to
alt.atheism
In episode <1123378334.987040.265370@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wordsoftruth114 burst into the room and exclaimed:
Suddenly Tories are asking:
Doesn't "wordoftroll" have a life?
No, and that's why he wants yours!
Lately, the way things have gone, he can have it. Cheap!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| Title: Re: The Atheist Gospel Of Ayn Rand |
07 Aug 2005 11:16:06 PM |
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In episode <KUvJe.856$Lu1.18932@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>, gab burst into the
room and exclaimed:
<snip>
Did you by any chance have a point?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: The Atheist Gospel Of Ayn Rand |
07 Aug 2005 11:57:30 AM |
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:55:18 -0500 in
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, Mark K. Bilbo ("Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster>) said, directing the reply to
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
In episode <i1dcf1tuoi1a50ag7urkuhv0qcugi3dqgn@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
burst into the room and exclaimed:
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:26:59 -0500 in alt.atheism, Mark K. Bilbo
("Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
In episode <1123378334.987040.265370@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wordsoftruth114 burst into the room and exclaimed:
Suddenly Tories are asking:
Doesn't "wordoftroll" have a life?
No, and that's why he wants yours!
Lately, the way things have gone, he can have it. Cheap!
I dunno about that, but I am offering a "3 kingdoms for two horses
special" this month.
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