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"Leo Leob" |
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08 Jan 2004 08:04:17 PM |
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The choices for Israel |
Israel has several choices.
1. Build the wall. Ghettoize the Palestinians. This of course will just
encourage on going never ending conflict.
2. Transfer/force out the Palestinians and build Jewish settlements.
This is inhumane but may work in the short term [50 years]. It could also
cause a major war and UN or even US intervention.
3. Embrace the Palestinians into a one state secular democratic Israel.
This will remove the notion of a Jewish state but could possibly be the best
solution. UN and US guarantees would be needed to ensure the civil rights of
both Jews and gentiles. If we take religion out of the equation there may be
some hope.
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| User: "yechidah" |
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| Title: Re: The choices for Israel |
08 Jan 2004 08:14:01 PM |
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"Leo Leob" <l.loeb@nyt.com> wrote in message
news:B_nLb.1899$Wa.539@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Israel has several choices.
1. Build the wall. Ghettoize the Palestinians. This of course will just
encourage on going never ending conflict.
2. Transfer/force out the Palestinians and build Jewish settlements.
This is inhumane but may work in the short term [50 years]. It could also
cause a major war and UN or even US intervention.
3. Embrace the Palestinians into a one state secular democratic Israel.
This will remove the notion of a Jewish state but could possibly be the
best
solution. UN and US guarantees would be needed to ensure the civil rights
of
both Jews and gentiles. If we take religion out of the equation there may
be
some hope.
Scratch it. Won't work. Only Repentence of the Jewish people will bring us
true and lasting peace.
YS
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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| Title: Re: The choices for Israel |
08 Jan 2004 09:26:56 PM |
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"yechidah" <TheHealingShelf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:J7oLb.17166$6B.13385@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Leo Leob" <l.loeb@nyt.com> wrote in message
news:B_nLb.1899$Wa.539@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Israel has several choices.
1. Build the wall. Ghettoize the Palestinians. This of course will just
encourage on going never ending conflict.
2. Transfer/force out the Palestinians and build Jewish settlements.
This is inhumane but may work in the short term [50 years]. It could
also
cause a major war and UN or even US intervention.
3. Embrace the Palestinians into a one state secular democratic Israel.
This will remove the notion of a Jewish state but could possibly be the
best
solution. UN and US guarantees would be needed to ensure the civil
rights
of
both Jews and gentiles. If we take religion out of the equation there
may
be
some hope.
Scratch it. Won't work. Only Repentence of the Jewish people will bring us
true and lasting peace.
YS
Good fences make good neighbors
Robert Frost, "Mending Wall,"
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun,
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing:
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on a stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made,
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go.
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
'Stay where you are until our backs are turned!'
We wear our fingers rough with handling them.
Oh, just another kind of out-door game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
There where it is we do not need the wall:
He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors'.
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
'Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
Where there are cows?
But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him,
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me~
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors."
Walls cut both ways.
Regards,
Izzy
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| User: "not_over_the_hill" |
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| Title: Re: The choices for Israel |
29 Jan 2004 08:06:11 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:14:01 GMT, "yechidah"
<TheHealingShelf@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Leo Leob" <l.loeb@nyt.com> wrote in message
news:B_nLb.1899$Wa.539@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Israel has several choices.
1. Build the wall. Ghettoize the Palestinians. This of course will just
encourage on going never ending conflict.
2. Transfer/force out the Palestinians and build Jewish settlements.
This is inhumane but may work in the short term [50 years]. It could also
cause a major war and UN or even US intervention.
3. Embrace the Palestinians into a one state secular democratic Israel.
This will remove the notion of a Jewish state but could possibly be the
best
solution. UN and US guarantees would be needed to ensure the civil rights
of
both Jews and gentiles. If we take religion out of the equation there may
be
some hope.
Scratch it. Won't work. Only Repentence of the Jewish people will bring us
true and lasting peace.
YS
REAL jews are not zionists
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| User: "Scott Hillard" |
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| Title: Re: The choices for Israel |
09 Jan 2004 03:26:39 AM |
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"Leo Leob" <l.loeb@nyt.com> wrote in message
news:B_nLb.1899$Wa.539@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Israel has several choices.
1. Build the wall. Ghettoize the Palestinians. This of course will just
encourage on going never ending conflict.
2. Transfer/force out the Palestinians and build Jewish settlements.
This is inhumane but may work in the short term [50 years]. It could also
cause a major war and UN or even US intervention.
3. Embrace the Palestinians into a one state secular democratic Israel.
This will remove the notion of a Jewish state but could possibly be the
best
solution. UN and US guarantees would be needed to ensure the civil rights
of
both Jews and gentiles. If we take religion out of the equation there may
be
some hope.
4. Exterminate the Palestinians.
Clearly no matter what concessions the Israelis make, there will always be a
significant portion of the Palestinian population that wants to "push them
back into the sea".
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with sending
their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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09 Jan 2004 04:01:24 AM |
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"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote
Clearly no matter what concessions the Israelis make,
there will always be a significant portion of the
Palestinian population that wants to "push them back
into the sea".
Luckily though, there's nobody in Israel who says that GAWD
gave them the entire frigging west bank, and they're willing
to die to hold on to it.
Imagine if there were? The occupation and the fighting might've
gone on for... for... for *Years*.
Seriously. I really believe that.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: The choices for Israel |
09 Jan 2004 05:18:38 AM |
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"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:ZwuLb.157$Gf3.5687@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
Clearly no matter what concessions the Israelis make, there will always be
a
significant portion of the Palestinian population that wants to "push them
back into the sea".
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with
sending
their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
I dread it coming to this.
Susan
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| User: "Scott Hillard" |
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| Title: Re: The choices for Israel |
10 Jan 2004 01:40:38 AM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:ZwuLb.157$Gf3.5687@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
Clearly no matter what concessions the Israelis make, there will always
be
a significant portion of the Palestinian population that wants to "push
them
back into the sea".
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with
sending their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
I dread it coming to this.
It just might, and so long as there are more Palestinian kids aspiring to be
"martyrs", than to be doctors, teachers, architects, etc then it wouldn't be
a bad thing.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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10 Jan 2004 04:12:02 AM |
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"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote
"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote
they can guarantee both their own security, and do the
world a favour by eliminating a terminally backward
race that are more concerned with sending their kids
out to die, than with building a nation.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote
I dread it coming to this.
It just might, and so long as there are more Palestinian kids
aspiring to be "martyrs", than to be doctors, teachers,
architects, etc then it wouldn't be a bad thing.
I liked it better in it's original German...
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| User: "Scott Hillard" |
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10 Jan 2004 05:03:40 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote
It just might, and so long as there are more Palestinian kids
aspiring to be "martyrs", than to be doctors, teachers,
architects, etc then it wouldn't be a bad thing.
I liked it better in it's original German...
The Germans had the right idea, they just picked the wrong targets.
If he stuck to just eliminating criminals, mental defectives, etc that fool
Hitler wouldn't have set the cause of eugenics back a few hundred years.
By gassing productive members of society (ordinary Jews, Slavs, etc) and
relatively harmless untermenschen like trade unionists & communists, as well
as harmless homosexuals, Hitler buggered the entire concept of eugenics for
generations.
May the spears of a thousand imps pierce his nether regions for all
eternity.
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| User: "Leo Loeb" |
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| Title: Re: The choices for Israel |
10 Jan 2004 07:16:05 PM |
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"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oMmdnXGAUNyHUmKiRVn-gg@comcast.com...
"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote
It just might, and so long as there are more Palestinian kids
aspiring to be "martyrs", than to be doctors, teachers,
architects, etc then it wouldn't be a bad thing.
I liked it better in it's original German...
The Germans had the right idea, they just picked the wrong targets.
If he stuck to just eliminating criminals, mental defectives, etc that
fool
Hitler wouldn't have set the cause of eugenics back a few hundred years.
By gassing productive members of society (ordinary Jews, Slavs, etc) and
relatively harmless untermenschen like trade unionists & communists, as
well
as harmless homosexuals, Hitler buggered the entire concept of eugenics
for
generations.
May the spears of a thousand imps pierce his nether regions for all
eternity.
Following that diatribe its easy to see what closet you came out off.
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| User: "TheMan" |
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10 Jan 2004 10:51:18 PM |
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"Leo Loeb" <l.leob@nyt.com> wrote in message
news:pt1Mb.5196$Wa.4501@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:XZQLb.428$Gf3.17241@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oMmdnXGAUNyHUmKiRVn-gg@comcast.com...
"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote
It just might, and so long as there are more Palestinian kids
aspiring to be "martyrs", than to be doctors, teachers,
architects, etc then it wouldn't be a bad thing.
I liked it better in it's original German...
The Germans had the right idea, they just picked the wrong targets.
If he stuck to just eliminating criminals, mental defectives, etc that
fool
Hitler wouldn't have set the cause of eugenics back a few hundred years.
By gassing productive members of society (ordinary Jews, Slavs, etc) and
relatively harmless untermenschen like trade unionists & communists, as
well
as harmless homosexuals, Hitler buggered the entire concept of eugenics
for
generations.
May the spears of a thousand imps pierce his nether regions for all
eternity.
Following that diatribe its easy to see what closet you came out off.
Funny thing is Susan Cohen seems to agree with him.
They sure do have something in common don't they.
-TheMan-
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| User: "Scott Hillard" |
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11 Jan 2004 01:14:43 AM |
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"Leo Loeb" <l.leob@nyt.com> wrote in message
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Following that diatribe its easy to see what closet you came out off.
Wrong, as usual.
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| User: "Free Palestine Information Agency" |
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10 Jan 2004 02:35:46 AM |
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Scott Hillard wrote:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Scott Hillard" <shillard@_nospam_ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:ZwuLb.157$Gf3.5687@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
Clearly no matter what concessions the Israelis make, there will always
be
a significant portion of the Palestinian population that wants to "push
them
back into the sea".
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with
sending their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
I dread it coming to this.
It will probably never happen. I think Israel would have a major moral
problem with nuking Palestine out of existence as above. That would not
be in their national character at the moment.
It just might, and so long as there are more Palestinian kids aspiring to be
"martyrs", than to be doctors, teachers, architects, etc then it wouldn't be
a bad thing.
Problem is the BLOWBACK my friend. And it would be massive indeed.
"Israel" and her friends will not be unscathed, and will not handle it
with suave aplomb as you imply.
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The Palestinian people should fight forever to get their land back from
the JewNazis (Israelis). I don't care if they kill *zero* more
JewNazis, or *one* more JewNazi to get it back. I do not care if they
kill A MILLION more JewNazis (following the rules of war) if that is
what it takes to get their land back. I AM SERIOUS!
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| User: "Scott Hillard" |
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11 Jan 2004 01:23:55 AM |
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"Free Palestine Information Agency" <FPIA_Iraq_War_Reports@internet.con>
wrote in message news:3FFFB962.892E7535@internet.con...
Scott Hillard wrote:
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with
sending their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
It will probably never happen. I think Israel would have a major moral
problem with nuking Palestine out of existence as above. That would not
be in their national character at the moment.
I write of "nuking" in the figurative, rather than the literal sense.
Naturally using atomic weapons so close to your home soil, save in the most
dire of circumstances, is not a good idea.
It just might, and so long as there are more Palestinian kids aspiring
to be
"martyrs", than to be doctors, teachers, architects, etc then it
wouldn't be
a bad thing.
Problem is the BLOWBACK my friend.
From whom?
Their muslim "brothers" have spent the last 50 years showing that they don't
give a rat's arse about the Palestinians. There are no Indonesian,
Malaysian, Pakistani, Afghan, etc volunteers raising hell in the West Bank,
or taking pot shots at Israeli border police. The call goes out but nobody
comes to play.
Whereas half the Islamic world rallied to the Afghan banner, to boot out the
Soviet Invaders. Even muslims from across africa made the trip to
Afghanistan to prosecute Jihad.
Nobody goes to the aid of the Palestinians, because nobody cares.
Their arab "brothers" in Egypt and Saudi Arabia have Abrams tanks, F-15
fighters and Apache choppers, but they don't come to the aid of the
Palestinians, because THEY DON'T CARE.
Nobody of note does.
And it would be massive indeed.
It would be a fart in the bath, and no worse than what Israelis currently
endure on a daily basis.
The Palestinian people should fight forever to get their land back from
the JewNazis (Israelis). I don't care if they kill *zero* more
JewNazis, or *one* more JewNazi to get it back. I do not care if they
kill A MILLION more JewNazis (following the rules of war) if that is
what it takes to get their land back. I AM SERIOUS!
Hmm, but they're so hopeless at fighting, that with the current kill ratios
by the time they kill a few hundred thousand "JewNazis", the entire
Palestinian race will be extinct.
Makes you wonder about what sort of price is worth paying......
Serious or not, you're still a clueless wanker.
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| User: "Free Palestine Information Agency" |
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11 Jan 2004 05:24:44 AM |
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Scott Hillard wrote:
"Free Palestine Information Agency" <FPIA_Iraq_War_Reports@internet.con>
wrote in message news:3FFFB962.892E7535@internet.con...
Scott Hillard wrote:
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with
sending their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
It will probably never happen. I think Israel would have a major moral
problem with nuking Palestine out of existence as above. That would not
be in their national character at the moment.
I write of "nuking" in the figurative, rather than the literal sense.
Well then exactly what are you discussing? Spill.
Naturally using atomic weapons so close to your home soil, save in the most
dire of circumstances, is not a good idea.
Right.
It just might, and so long as there are more Palestinian kids aspiring
to be
"martyrs", than to be doctors, teachers, architects, etc then it
wouldn't be
a bad thing.
Problem is the BLOWBACK my friend.
From whom?
It is already happening all the time. Look at Iraq. Look at "Israel"
and Palestine. Here it is 55 yrs after 1948 and "Israel" gets attacked
off and on, all day, 24-7, often with modern weaponry, in locked-down
Palestine. Terrorist incidents are happening all over the globe. Look
at 9-11. Merely those suicide bombings have driven "Israel" about
insane, and they have only killed ~400 people in 3 yrs.
Their muslim "brothers" have spent the last 50 years showing that they don't
give a rat's arse about the Palestinians.
Not true at all.
There are no Indonesian,
Malaysian, Pakistani, Afghan, etc volunteers raising hell in the West Bank,
or taking pot shots at Israeli border police.
You cannot get in. I am absolutely sure that if you could get in, many
would gladly go. OTOH, it is a bit far away. There have been a # of
Pakistanis and Afghans in Iraq. My friend's Pakistani father
volunteered to fight Israel in 73. He was one of many Pakistani
volunteers. The Indonesians and Malays have not gotten involved in any
Muslim jihads outside their lands, and the Afghans are too poor to go
anywhere.
The call goes out but nobody
comes to play.
You cannot get in. No one calls out anyway.
Whereas half the Islamic world rallied to the Afghan banner, to boot out the
Soviet Invaders. Even muslims from across africa made the trip to
Afghanistan to prosecute Jihad.
You could get into Afghanistan.
Nobody goes to the aid of the Palestinians, because nobody cares.
Well you know you obviously do not know any Arabs or Muslims at all.
Their arab "brothers" in Egypt and Saudi Arabia have Abrams tanks, F-15
fighters and Apache choppers, but they don't come to the aid of the
Palestinians, because THEY DON'T CARE.
No, they do not want another fullscale war with "Israel".
Nobody of note does.
And it would be massive indeed.
It would be a fart in the bath, and no worse than what Israelis currently
endure on a daily basis.
Which is driving them totally insane and threatening to destroy their
state.
The Palestinian people should fight forever to get their land back from
the JewNazis (Israelis). I don't care if they kill *zero* more
JewNazis, or *one* more JewNazi to get it back. I do not care if they
kill A MILLION more JewNazis (following the rules of war) if that is
what it takes to get their land back. I AM SERIOUS!
Hmm, but they're so hopeless at fighting, that with the current kill ratios
by the time they kill a few hundred thousand "JewNazis", the entire
Palestinian race will be extinct.
No, there have been I think ~1200 "Israelis" killed in 3 yrs and I think
~2800 Palestinians. That is 2.5 to 1.
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The Palestinian people should fight forever to get their land back from
the JewNazis (Israelis). I don't care if they kill *zero* more
JewNazis, or *one* more JewNazi to get it back. I do not care if they
kill A MILLION more JewNazis (following the rules of war) if that is
what it takes to get their land back. I AM SERIOUS!
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09 Jan 2004 04:39:58 AM |
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Scott Hillard wrote:
"Leo Leob" <l.loeb@nyt.com> wrote in message
news:B_nLb.1899$Wa.539@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Israel has several choices.
1. Build the wall. Ghettoize the Palestinians. This of course will just
encourage on going never ending conflict.
2. Transfer/force out the Palestinians and build Jewish settlements.
This is inhumane but may work in the short term [50 years]. It could also
cause a major war and UN or even US intervention.
3. Embrace the Palestinians into a one state secular democratic Israel.
This will remove the notion of a Jewish state but could possibly be the
best
solution. UN and US guarantees would be needed to ensure the civil rights
of
both Jews and gentiles. If we take religion out of the equation there may
be
some hope.
4. Exterminate the Palestinians.
Clearly no matter what concessions the Israelis make, there will always be a
significant portion of the Palestinian population that wants to "push them
back into the sea".
Not too many at all. Very few, probably. I hang out with some of the
most radical Palestinian rejectionist Arabs on the face of this Earth,
and no one ever talks like that.
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with sending
their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
Well, if the illegal Zionist entity does that, then "Israelis" will be
hunted to the far corners of globe, probably for the next 100 yrs. A
nonstop terrorist war with no beginning and no end. They would not be
safe anywhere, any of them, any age.
I AM SERIOUS!
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| User: "not_over_the_hill" |
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| Title: Re: The choices for Israel |
09 Jan 2004 11:23:26 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:39:58 -0800, Free Palestine Information Agency
<FPIA@internet.con> wrote:
Scott Hillard wrote:
"Leo Leob" <l.loeb@nyt.com> wrote in message
news:B_nLb.1899$Wa.539@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Israel has several choices.
1. Build the wall. Ghettoize the Palestinians. This of course will just
encourage on going never ending conflict.
2. Transfer/force out the Palestinians and build Jewish settlements.
This is inhumane but may work in the short term [50 years]. It could also
cause a major war and UN or even US intervention.
3. Embrace the Palestinians into a one state secular democratic Israel.
This will remove the notion of a Jewish state but could possibly be the
best
solution. UN and US guarantees would be needed to ensure the civil rights
of
both Jews and gentiles. If we take religion out of the equation there may
be
some hope.
4. Exterminate the Palestinians.
Clearly no matter what concessions the Israelis make, there will always be a
significant portion of the Palestinian population that wants to "push them
back into the sea".
Not too many at all. Very few, probably. I hang out with some of the
most radical Palestinian rejectionist Arabs on the face of this Earth,
and no one ever talks like that.
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with sending
their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
Well, if the illegal Zionist entity does that, then "Israelis" will be
hunted to the far corners of globe, probably for the next 100 yrs. A
nonstop terrorist war with no beginning and no end. They would not be
safe anywhere, any of them, any age.
I AM SERIOUS!
And that is the only thing that stops them.
If the zionist believed they could do "their" final
solution, and get by with it.... THEY WOULD.
They would also be sealing their own doom.
By taking the position they have taken, they
are one of the most hated countries in the
world right now. They have made their bed
hard and now they are having to learn to sleep
in it hard.
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10 Jan 2004 01:39:19 AM |
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Some gutless coward hiding behind the pathetic alias of
"not_over_the_hill" <watch_the_moneyNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:39:58 -0800, Free Palestine Information Agency
<FPIA@internet.con> wrote:
Scott Hillard wrote:
4. Exterminate the Palestinians.
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with
sending
their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
Well, if the illegal Zionist entity does that, then "Israelis" will be
hunted to the far corners of globe, probably for the next 100 yrs. A
nonstop terrorist war with no beginning and no end. They would not be
safe anywhere, any of them, any age.
I AM SERIOUS!
And that is the only thing that stops them.
No, it's more the economic / political ramifications.
If the zionist believed they could do "their" final
solution, and get by with it.... THEY WOULD.
They would also be sealing their own doom.
Some would, sure, plenty wouldn't.
By taking the position they have taken, they
are one of the most hated countries in the
world right now.
Big deal, they're big kids and they can deal with it.
Sort of like the USA - Americans can take a few knocks, after all, they have
a fucking planet to run.
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10 Jan 2004 02:33:17 AM |
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Scott Hillard wrote:
Some gutless coward hiding behind the pathetic alias of
"not_over_the_hill" <watch_the_moneyNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dt2vvvodra0pu3na9mkcvns84suqtqk3h7@4ax.com...
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:39:58 -0800, Free Palestine Information Agency
<FPIA@internet.con> wrote:
Scott Hillard wrote:
4. Exterminate the Palestinians.
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with
sending
their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
Well, if the illegal Zionist entity does that, then "Israelis" will be
hunted to the far corners of globe, probably for the next 100 yrs. A
nonstop terrorist war with no beginning and no end. They would not be
safe anywhere, any of them, any age.
I AM SERIOUS!
And that is the only thing that stops them.
No, it's more the economic / political ramifications.
I do not know. Maybe moral issues too.
If the zionist believed they could do "their" final
solution, and get by with it.... THEY WOULD.
They would also be sealing their own doom.
Some would, sure, plenty wouldn't.
Well, I assure the 100-yr terrorist war described above would indeed
take place. No borders, no rules, no rest, no peace. All Israelis
targeted, 1-100, at work, at play, at rest, asleep, on vacation......
By taking the position they have taken, they
are one of the most hated countries in the
world right now.
Big deal, they're big kids and they can deal with it.
Oh, I am not so sure about that. They are acting awful desperate
lately.
Sort of like the USA - Americans can take a few knocks,
Oh really now? The USA did not seem to handle 9-11 so well, now did it?
after all, they have
a fucking planet to run.
Well, the US continues on its present course, attacks on US targets will
continue. If we are still in Iraq 7 yrs from now, I think Iraqis will
bring the war to our shores. We may see Israel-type suicide bombs on
buses and whatnot.
You think the US could handle that with suave aplomb. I DO NOT THINK
SO.
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The Palestinian people should fight forever to get their land back from
the JewNazis (Israelis). I don't care if they kill *zero* more
JewNazis, or *one* more JewNazi to get it back. I do not care if they
kill A MILLION more JewNazis (following the rules of war) if that is
what it takes to get their land back. I AM SERIOUS!
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10 Jan 2004 01:46:05 AM |
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not_over_the_hill wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:39:58 -0800, Free Palestine Information Agency
<FPIA@internet.con> wrote:
Scott Hillard wrote:
4. Exterminate the Palestinians.
Clearly no matter what concessions the Israelis make, there will always be a
significant portion of the Palestinian population that wants to "push them
back into the sea".
Not too many at all. Very few, probably. I hang out with some of the
most radical Palestinian rejectionist Arabs on the face of this Earth,
and no one ever talks like that.
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with sending
their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
Well, if the illegal Zionist entity does that, then "Israelis" will be
hunted to the far corners of globe, probably for the next 100 yrs. A
nonstop terrorist war with no beginning and no end. They would not be
safe anywhere, any of them, any age.
I AM SERIOUS!
And that is the only thing that stops them.
Probably. At the moment, slow ethnic cleansing appears to be the
preferred method, although full-scale "transfer" has the support of
about 46% of "Israeli's". Transfer is not mass extermination or
genocide really, but if they tried to do it, I am afraid it would be
quite bloody. Also the Arab States may not sit back and watch and do
nothing this time. So the "slow transfer" "land grab" "Wall" solutions
are put into place.
If the zionist believed they could do "their" final
solution, and get by with it.... THEY WOULD.
Possibly, I am not sure.
They would also be sealing their own doom.
I think that is the important pt to make here. Any attempt at transfer
would not doubt provoke a similar "100 yr war" like I described above.
By taking the position they have taken, they
are one of the most hated countries in the
world right now. They have made their bed
hard and now they are having to learn to sleep
in it hard.
It is worse than that. "Israeli" society itself is starting to fall
apart, the economy is imploding...that is why we are seeing all these
desperate moves, attacking Syria, threatening Iran, Lebanon, Libya,
Syria, the invasion of Iraq, the Wall, unilateral moves and border
declarations, etc..........
IMHO, none of it will work.
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11 Jan 2004 01:18:36 AM |
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Some hopeless coward calling itself
"Free Palestine Information Agency" <FPIA_Iraq_War_Reports@internet.con>
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Probably. At the moment, slow ethnic cleansing appears to be the
preferred method,
Not likely to be effective, given that the bastards breed like rabbits.
Worse than Catholics, always knocking out kids they can't afford to feed.
Oh well, at least the Cattle-ticks don't wrap semtex around their excess
children to be rid of them.
although full-scale "transfer" has the support of
about 46% of "Israeli's". Transfer is not mass extermination or
genocide really, but if they tried to do it, I am afraid it would be
quite bloody. Also the Arab States may not sit back and watch and do
nothing this time.
Like hell the wouldn't.
The japs got the message after the second nuke, and have pulled their heads
in for the better part of 60 years.
The arabs were thick by comparison, it took quite a few whippings for them
to get the message, but eventually they came to the realisation that they
just can't fight a modern war. They might have done allright to boot my
ancestors out of Acre for the last time, but there isn't much that's scary
about some arab being blown to bits while trying to find the "eject" lever
in his MIG-27.
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| User: "Free Palestine Information Agency" |
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11 Jan 2004 05:16:29 AM |
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Scott Hillard wrote:
Some hopeless coward calling itself
"Free Palestine Information Agency" <FPIA_Iraq_War_Reports@internet.con>
wrote in message news:3FFFADBD.515FFF7A@internet.con...
although full-scale "transfer" has the support of
about 46% of "Israeli's". Transfer is not mass extermination or
genocide really, but if they tried to do it, I am afraid it would be
quite bloody. Also the Arab States may not sit back and watch and do
nothing this time.
Like hell the wouldn't.
Well I would not be so sure. They can always play the
terrorist/guerilla/assymetrical card. Observe Iraq.
The japs got the message after the second nuke, and have pulled their heads
in for the better part of 60 years.
The arabs were thick by comparison, it took quite a few whippings for them
to get the message, but eventually they came to the realisation that they
just can't fight a modern war.
Oh really now? Is that why Iraq refused to fight a modern war against
Kuwait, the US (twice), and Iran. He did not. Iraq fought every single
time, hard, against incredible odds.
They might have done allright to boot my
ancestors out of Acre for the last time, but there isn't much that's scary
about some arab being blown to bits while trying to find the "eject" lever
in his MIG-27.
Well I do not know about that. What makes you think the US or Israel
can conquer any Arabs. US cannot conquer Iraq. "Israel" cannot conquer
Palestine. "Israel" could not conquer Lebanon.
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The Palestinian people should fight forever to get their land back from
the JewNazis (Israelis). I don't care if they kill *zero* more
JewNazis, or *one* more JewNazi to get it back. I do not care if they
kill A MILLION more JewNazis (following the rules of war) if that is
what it takes to get their land back. I AM SERIOUS!
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12 Jan 2004 12:06:02 AM |
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"Free Palestine Information Agency" <FPIA_Iraq_War_Reports@internet.con>
wrote in message news:4001308D.E9C78BBC@internet.con...
Scott Hillard wrote:
Some hopeless coward calling itself
"Free Palestine Information Agency" <FPIA_Iraq_War_Reports@internet.con>
wrote in message news:3FFFADBD.515FFF7A@internet.con...
although full-scale "transfer" has the support of
about 46% of "Israeli's". Transfer is not mass extermination or
genocide really, but if they tried to do it, I am afraid it would be
quite bloody. Also the Arab States may not sit back and watch and do
nothing this time.
Like hell the wouldn't.
Well I would not be so sure. They can always play the
terrorist/guerilla/assymetrical card. Observe Iraq.
Only as long as we keep the Saudi dynasty intact.
The moment we decide they are outlived their usefulness, the oil money will
stop flowing to the terrorists around the globe. There are ways to do it
without actually occupying that stupid Kingdom.
The japs got the message after the second nuke, and have pulled their
heads
in for the better part of 60 years.
The arabs were thick by comparison, it took quite a few whippings for
them
to get the message, but eventually they came to the realisation that
they
just can't fight a modern war.
Oh really now? Is that why Iraq refused to fight a modern war against
Kuwait, the US (twice), and Iran. He did not. Iraq fought every single
time, hard, against incredible odds.
Only an Arab could possibly call that mass and instant surrender a "fight."
They might have done allright to boot my
ancestors out of Acre for the last time, but there isn't much that's
scary
about some arab being blown to bits while trying to find the "eject"
lever
in his MIG-27.
Well I do not know about that. What makes you think the US or Israel
can conquer any Arabs. US cannot conquer Iraq. "Israel" cannot conquer
Palestine. "Israel" could not conquer Lebanon.
What makes you think either U.S. or Israel wants to conquer any Arabs.
Israel is trying to build a 28ft wall to separate from the scum.
U.S. is prepared to transfer political power to the elected Iraqi government
next summer.
Your speculations are not based on anything real - it must be from reading
too much garbage from the Palie sources.
TK9
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09 Jan 2004 06:11:56 AM |
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Some pathetic coward hiding behind the pissweak alias of
"Free Palestine Information Agency" <FPIA@internet.con> wrote in message
news:3FFE84FE.36C51A1B@internet.con...
Scott Hillard wrote:
4. Exterminate the Palestinians.
Clearly no matter what concessions the Israelis make, there will always
be a
significant portion of the Palestinian population that wants to "push
them
back into the sea".
Not too many at all. Very few, probably.
A view strangely at odds with the opinions so frequently expressed by these
apes.
To say nothing of the material distributed in Palestinian "schools".
I hang out with some of the
most radical Palestinian rejectionist Arabs on the face of this Earth,
and no one ever talks like that.
"Palestinian rejectionist Arabs"?
Meaning what, precisely?
Arabs who reject Palestinians (like their good buddies in Jordan, who treat
them oh-so-well compared to the Israelis)?
Even their Arab "brothers" consider the Palestinians to be troublesome
untermenschen.
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with
sending
their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
Well, if the illegal Zionist entity does that, then "Israelis" will be
hunted to the far corners of globe, probably for the next 100 yrs.
Nope, nobody would really give a rat's arse.
Hunted by whom? The Arabs?
They've demonstrated time and again that they cannot even dream of fighting
a great war against Israel, let alone the entire West. They continue to
embrace the filthy religion of an immoral bedoiun that was so rightly
rejected by the progressive Turks around 100 years ago.
Turkey has moved forward, joining the civilised nations of the Earth, whilst
the Arab world continues to slide backwards.
A nonstop terrorist war with no beginning and no end.
Waged by whom? Mujahadeen from....Georgia, perhaps?
For all of their lip-service to the "Palestinian Cause", Arabs who hate the
West couldn't give a rat's arse about the Palestinians. Measure their
intent in deeds, not words, and you will see that the "cause" is just a
convenient excuse for hating the West and the Jews.
When the Afghans put the call out for Mujahadeen to fight the Soviet
invaders, they came from all over - Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran,
Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, even Malaysia and Indonesia.
Who comes to the aid of the Palestinians?
Nobody, because their Muslim brothers have consigned them to the scrapheap.
They are backward drek, and everyone knows it.
When they become more concerned with building a nation, than with sending
their kids out wrapped in semtex to give some Jewish kids the "hug of all
hugs", they may join the progressive peoples of the Earth.
That day is a long way off, and I suspect it will never come.
I AM SERIOUS!
Maybe, but you're still a wanker.
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09 Jan 2004 10:32:27 PM |
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Scott Hillard wrote:
Some pathetic coward hiding behind the pissweak alias of
"Free Palestine Information Agency" <FPIA@internet.con> wrote in message
news:3FFE84FE.36C51A1B@internet.con...
Scott Hillard wrote:
4. Exterminate the Palestinians.
Clearly no matter what concessions the Israelis make, there will always
be a
significant portion of the Palestinian population that wants to "push
them
back into the sea".
Not too many at all. Very few, probably.
A view strangely at odds with the opinions so frequently expressed by these
apes.
How many Arabs do you know, you fool? I know more Arabs than you will
know in 20 lifetimes. I talk to them every day.
To say nothing of the material distributed in Palestinian "schools".
I hang out with some of the
most radical Palestinian rejectionist Arabs on the face of this Earth,
and no one ever talks like that.
"Palestinian rejectionist Arabs"?
Meaning what, precisely?
It means they reject the state of "Israel".
Arabs who reject Palestinians (like their good buddies in Jordan, who treat
them oh-so-well compared to the Israelis)?
Well, I hang out with a bunch of Arabs every day, and they all love
Palestinians. I know some Palestinians in Jordan and they don't
complain. They don't like the government, but the people are fine.
Most "Jordanians" are Palestinians, you fool.
Even their Arab "brothers" consider the Palestinians to be troublesome
untermenschen.
Well, it's a NIMBY thing. They are not very happy, very militant, often
violent. You don't really want em next door. Plus they invite attacks
by "Israel" and Jewmerica.
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with
sending
their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
Well, if the illegal Zionist entity does that, then "Israelis" will be
hunted to the far corners of globe, probably for the next 100 yrs.
Nope, nobody would really give a rat's arse.
Fine, try and see, my friend. I dare you.
Hunted by whom? The Arabs?
Indeed. And Muslims. Others, I am not so sure. I doubt it.
They've demonstrated time and again that they cannot even dream of fighting
a great war against Israel, let alone the entire West.
It would not be a great war you fool. It would just be a lowlevel
nonstop 24-7 terrorist war with no borders, no rules and no end. All
"Israelis" would be targeted, everywhere on Earth. They would have no
peace and no rest.
Turkey has moved forward, joining the civilised nations of the Earth, whilst
the Arab world continues to slide backwards.
Well, most Turks really hate "Israel" and sympathize strongly with the
Palestinians, so it is not a religious thing.
A nonstop terrorist war with no beginning and no end.
Waged by whom? Mujahadeen from....Georgia, perhaps?
Arabs and other Muslims, mostly, I would imagine.
For all of their lip-service to the "Palestinian Cause", Arabs who hate the
West couldn't give a rat's arse about the Palestinians.
Well considering I know more Arabs than you ever will, I assure you that
is not the case.
Measure their
intent in deeds, not words, and you will see that the "cause" is just a
convenient excuse for hating the West and the Jews.
Oh, I dout it. My Arab friends do not hate me one bit. So what makes
you think they hate Americans? I am an American white guy.
When the Afghans put the call out for Mujahadeen to fight the Soviet
invaders, they came from all over - Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran,
Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, even Malaysia and Indonesia.
Yep.
Who comes to the aid of the Palestinians?
You cannot get into Palestine, you silly boy. Borders are closed.
Anyway, almost all of Hezbollah are Lebanese Shiite Arabs. Hezbollah
are not Palestinians.
Nobody, because their Muslim brothers have consigned them to the scrapheap.
They are backward drek, and everyone knows it.
You cannot get in. It is almost impossible.
I AM SERIOUS!
Maybe, but you're still a wanker.
Of course, most all male choke the chicken from time to time.
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The Palestinian people should fight forever to get their land back from
the JewNazis (Israelis). I don't care if they kill *zero* more
JewNazis, or *one* more JewNazi to get it back. I do not care if they
kill A MILLION more JewNazis (following the rules of war) if that is
what it takes to get their land back. I AM SERIOUS!
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12 Jan 2004 11:39:50 PM |
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"Free Palestine Information Agency" <FPIA_Iraq_War_Reports@internet.con>
wrote in message news:3FFF805B.E44F65AB@internet.con...
Scott Hillard wrote:
Some pathetic coward hiding behind the pissweak alias of
"Free Palestine Information Agency" <FPIA@internet.con> wrote in message
news:3FFE84FE.36C51A1B@internet.con...
How many Arabs do you know, you fool? I know more Arabs than you will
know in 20 lifetimes. I talk to them every day.
Quite an assumption.
I know many Arabs, and will likely meet many more before I depart from this
world. I have employed Arabs, worked with Arabs, socialised with Arabs,
dined with Arabs. Do your Palestinian mates consider themselves "Arabs"?
I hang out with some of the
most radical Palestinian rejectionist Arabs on the face of this Earth,
and no one ever talks like that.
"Palestinian rejectionist Arabs"?
Meaning what, precisely?
It means they reject the state of "Israel".
Arabs who reject Palestinians (like their good buddies in Jordan, who
treat
them oh-so-well compared to the Israelis)?
Well, I hang out with a bunch of Arabs every day, and they all love
Palestinians.
So the few Arabs you know are an unrepresentative minority.
I know some Palestinians in Jordan and they don't
complain. They don't like the government, but the people are fine.
They sure as ***** don't like the Jordanian Government - and with good
reason.
How many "Palestinians" are welcomed with open arms if they flee to Jordan,
Egypt, Syria, Lebanon......?
Even their Arab "brothers" consider the Palestinians to be troublesome
untermenschen.
Well, it's a NIMBY thing.
But you just claimed they all "love" Palestinians.
They are not very happy, very militant, often
violent. You don't really want em next door. Plus they invite attacks
by "Israel" and Jewmerica.
So, as I've maintained throughout this thread, when it really counts the
Arabs don't give a rat's arse about the Palestinians.
Ordinary Egyptians, Syrians, Saudis, etc consider them to be troublesome
untermenschen, and won't lift a finger to help them.
By "nuking the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
they
can guarantee both their own security, and do the world a favour by
eliminating a terminally backward race that are more concerned with
sending
their kids out to die, than with building a nation.
Well, if the illegal Zionist entity does that, then "Israelis" will be
hunted to the far corners of globe, probably for the next 100 yrs.
Nope, nobody would really give a rat's arse.
Fine, try and see, my friend. I dare you.
Show me the button.
Hunted by whom? The Arabs?
Indeed. And Muslims. Others, I am not so sure. I doubt it.
But the Arabs and other Muslims (Malaysians, Indonesians, Afghans, Black
Africans) have demonstrated time and again that they don't care about the
Palestinians.
They will not fight for them, they will not die for them, they will not
offer them autonomy within their own borders, they will not even provide
them with meaningful financial, medical, educational or other assistance.
THEY DON'T CARE.
The pathetic cheese-eating surrender monkeys in France care more for the
"Palestinians" than their Muslim "brothers" do.
They've demonstrated time and again that they cannot even dream of
fighting
a great war against Israel, let alone the entire West.
It would not be a great war you fool. It would just be a lowlevel
nonstop 24-7 terrorist war with no borders, no rules and no end.
So, precisely what we have now?
All "Israelis" would be targeted, everywhere on Earth. They would have
no
peace and no rest.
Just like now?
Turkey has moved forward, joining the civilised nations of the Earth,
whilst
the Arab world continues to slide backwards.
Well, most Turks really hate "Israel" and sympathize strongly with the
Palestinians, so it is not a religious thing.
Naturally you have evidence to support this claim?
I suppose you "hang out with" loads of Turks every day, too?
Just keep the ***** flowing boy.
A nonstop terrorist war with no beginning and no end.
Waged by whom? Mujahadeen from....Georgia, perhaps?
Arabs and other Muslims, mostly, I would imagine.
None of whom care for the Palestinians now - you admitted that they would be
glad to be rid of them, and don't want them anywhere near their homes.
For all of their lip-service to the "Palestinian Cause", Arabs who hate
the
West couldn't give a rat's arse about the Palestinians.
Well considering I know more Arabs than you ever will, I assure you that
is not the case.
I doubt both your claims.
The evidence is certain;y in my favour - what are "Arabs and Muslims" doing
to help the Palestinians?
Measure their
intent in deeds, not words, and you will see that the "cause" is just a
convenient excuse for hating the West and the Jews.
Oh, I dout it. My Arab friends do not hate me one bit. So what makes
you think they hate Americans? I am an American white guy.
It's difficult to hate pitiable individuals.
When the Afghans put the call out for Mujahadeen to fight the Soviet
invaders, they came from all over - Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran,
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