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"ManMadeGod" |
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25 Nov 2005 05:16:43 AM |
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The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
The material world of the Christian Taliban starts today. Today, over 40
million christians will swamp the Wal-Marts, Macy's, Best-Buys, K-Marts,
etc. and try to buy respect with material goods.
Of course, they will boycott businesses such as Target, because Target
(according to their biblical leaders) refused to print "Merry Christmas" on
their flyers. Little do these absent-minded shoppers know, the Target
"rumor" was just that. A rumor. Target (like a sucker) does have a "Merry
Christmas" sale going on.
Christians are the scum of the human population, and hold the lowest IQ's.
They will spend more money buying gifts than they can afford and will
ultimately contribute to our national debt. Christians are bad for America,
bad for humanity, and the only thing they actually accomplish is helping Big
Business with corporate proits for the 4th quarter.
Greedy little bastards.
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
25 Nov 2005 03:45:38 PM |
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"ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
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The material world of the Christian Taliban starts today. Today, over 40
million christians will swamp the Wal-Marts, Macy's, Best-Buys, K-Marts,
etc. and try to buy respect with material goods.
Of course, they will boycott businesses such as Target, because Target
(according to their biblical leaders) refused to print "Merry Christmas"
on
their flyers. Little do these absent-minded shoppers know, the Target
"rumor" was just that. A rumor. Target (like a sucker) does have a "Merry
Christmas" sale going on.
Christians are the scum of the human population, and hold the lowest IQ's.
They will spend more money buying gifts than they can afford and will
ultimately contribute to our national debt. Christians are bad for
America,
bad for humanity, and the only thing they actually accomplish is helping
Big
Business with corporate proits for the 4th quarter.
Greedy little bastards.
Your last paragraph demonstrates your bigotry and hatred, that overshadows
any intelligence you may wish to demonstrate.
It is your kind of hatred that is bad for this world, and this country.
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
03 Dec 2005 11:56:01 PM |
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"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
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"ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:J6xhf.14654$ih5.14362@dukeread11...
The material world of the Christian Taliban starts today. Today, over 40
million christians will swamp the Wal-Marts, Macy's, Best-Buys, K-Marts,
etc. and try to buy respect with material goods.
Of course, they will boycott businesses such as Target, because Target
(according to their biblical leaders) refused to print "Merry Christmas"
on their flyers. Little do these absent-minded shoppers know, the Target
"rumor" was just that. A rumor. Target (like a sucker) does have a "Merry
Christmas" sale going on.
Christians are the scum of the human population, and hold the lowest
IQ's.
They will spend more money buying gifts than they can afford and will
ultimately contribute to our national debt. Christians are bad for
America,
bad for humanity, and the only thing they actually accomplish is helping
Big Business with corporate proits for the 4th quarter.
Greedy little bastards.
Your last paragraph demonstrates your bigotry and hatred, that overshadows
any intelligence you may wish to demonstrate.
It is your kind of hatred that is bad for this world, and this country.
God Bless
Carl
ManMade is just jealous, that Christians enjoy the plentiful blessings
of our Lord and he does not. Furthermore he only does what comes natural to
atheists, for atheism requires its devotees, to find faults, errors,
stupidity, lies and all things negative, whereas Christians are to praise
and glorify, find the good in people, be generous and supportive to the
glory of God. Hallelujah!!!! Praise be to His glorious name.
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| User: "ManMadeGod" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
21 Dec 2005 06:10:49 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
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"ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
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The material world of the Christian Taliban starts today. Today, over 40
million christians will swamp the Wal-Marts, Macy's, Best-Buys, K-Marts,
etc. and try to buy respect with material goods.
Of course, they will boycott businesses such as Target, because Target
(according to their biblical leaders) refused to print "Merry Christmas"
on their flyers. Little do these absent-minded shoppers know, the Target
"rumor" was just that. A rumor. Target (like a sucker) does have a
"Merry
Christmas" sale going on.
Christians are the scum of the human population, and hold the lowest
IQ's.
They will spend more money buying gifts than they can afford and will
ultimately contribute to our national debt. Christians are bad for
America,
bad for humanity, and the only thing they actually accomplish is helping
Big Business with corporate proits for the 4th quarter.
Greedy little bastards.
Your last paragraph demonstrates your bigotry and hatred, that
overshadows
any intelligence you may wish to demonstrate.
It is your kind of hatred that is bad for this world, and this country.
God Bless
Carl
ManMade is just jealous, that Christians enjoy the plentiful blessings
of our Lord and he does not. Furthermore he only does what comes natural
to atheists, for atheism requires its devotees, to find faults, errors,
stupidity, lies and all things negative, whereas Christians are to praise
and glorify, find the good in people, be generous and supportive to the
glory of God. Hallelujah!!!! Praise be to His glorious name.
Jealous of ignorance? No Frank. Atheism is simply a refusal to deny the
obvious.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
23 Dec 2005 06:05:41 AM |
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"ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
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"ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
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The material world of the Christian Taliban starts today. Today, over
40
million christians will swamp the Wal-Marts, Macy's, Best-Buys,
K-Marts,
etc. and try to buy respect with material goods.
Of course, they will boycott businesses such as Target, because Target
(according to their biblical leaders) refused to print "Merry
Christmas"
on their flyers. Little do these absent-minded shoppers know, the
Target
"rumor" was just that. A rumor. Target (like a sucker) does have a
"Merry
Christmas" sale going on.
Christians are the scum of the human population, and hold the lowest
IQ's.
They will spend more money buying gifts than they can afford and will
ultimately contribute to our national debt. Christians are bad for
America,
bad for humanity, and the only thing they actually accomplish is
helping
Big Business with corporate proits for the 4th quarter.
Greedy little bastards.
Your last paragraph demonstrates your bigotry and hatred, that
overshadows
any intelligence you may wish to demonstrate.
It is your kind of hatred that is bad for this world, and this country.
God Bless
Carl
ManMade is just jealous, that Christians enjoy the plentiful blessings
of our Lord and he does not. Furthermore he only does what comes natural
to atheists, for atheism requires its devotees, to find faults, errors,
stupidity, lies and all things negative, whereas Christians are to praise
and glorify, find the good in people, be generous and supportive to the
glory of God. Hallelujah!!!! Praise be to His glorious name.
Jealous of ignorance? No Frank. Atheism is simply a refusal to deny the
obvious.
Glad you are coming on board, for our "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and
we know that love as well as lovers obviously exist, and we all are glad you
"refuse to deny the obvious". We also know that the gods of atheist
definition "obviously" don't exist. What could be more obvious? Glad you
refuse to deny that also.
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| User: "HP" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
25 Nov 2005 11:59:26 PM |
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I never tried to 'push' my opinon of abortion on anyone.
It does not have anything to do with my religion.
Murder is Murder. Religion or no.
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| User: "Martin Holterman" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
26 Nov 2005 02:13:23 PM |
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HP wrote:
I never tried to 'push' my opinon of abortion on anyone.
It does not have anything to do with my religion.
Murder is Murder. Religion or no.
L.S.,
You can't murder something/someone that isn't alive to begin with. Not
to mention that one person's moral judgement about any given act should
not be forced upon another, assuming they are both mature adults,
particularly if this moral judgement is derived from a religious source.
The only exception to this is when a moral judgement is so generally
accepted that one cannot reasonably take another view. Murder of a
living person, for example, is so universally condemned that society is
justified in using the penal codes to enforce this judgement. Abortion,
on the other hand, is of dubious moral virtue, as in: there are
reasonable arguments on either side. Because of that, ever adult should
be free to decide for themselves.
Yours,
Martin Holterman
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
26 Nov 2005 02:52:51 PM |
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"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
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HP wrote:
I never tried to 'push' my opinon of abortion on anyone.
It does not have anything to do with my religion.
Murder is Murder. Religion or no.
L.S.,
You can't murder something/someone that isn't alive to begin with. Not
to mention that one person's moral judgement about any given act should
not be forced upon another, assuming they are both mature adults,
particularly if this moral judgement is derived from a religious source.
The only exception to this is when a moral judgement is so generally
accepted that one cannot reasonably take another view. Murder of a
living person, for example, is so universally condemned that society is
justified in using the penal codes to enforce this judgement. Abortion,
on the other hand, is of dubious moral virtue, as in: there are
reasonable arguments on either side. Because of that, ever adult should
be free to decide for themselves.
Yours,
When moral judgements are based upon majority rule, then even murder becomes
legal and moral. Look at all of the attempts to kill off segments of
society in history. Like 1930-1945 Germany. Or the hundreds of millions
who were murdered by the Communists in this century.
Like HP said, murder is still murder, no matter what someone would like to
compromise to.
Also, theft is still theft. Lying about someone is still lying. Taking
another persons spouse is still adultery.
It has already been demonstrated that moral relavitism is the road to ruin,
but people still try to follow that sad path.
God Bless
Carl
Martin Holterman
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| User: "Martin Holterman" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
26 Nov 2005 08:15:34 PM |
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:43886d83$0$2342$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
HP wrote:
I never tried to 'push' my opinon of abortion on anyone.
It does not have anything to do with my religion.
Murder is Murder. Religion or no.
L.S.,
You can't murder something/someone that isn't alive to begin with. Not
to mention that one person's moral judgement about any given act should
not be forced upon another, assuming they are both mature adults,
particularly if this moral judgement is derived from a religious source.
The only exception to this is when a moral judgement is so generally
accepted that one cannot reasonably take another view. Murder of a
living person, for example, is so universally condemned that society is
justified in using the penal codes to enforce this judgement. Abortion,
on the other hand, is of dubious moral virtue, as in: there are
reasonable arguments on either side. Because of that, ever adult should
be free to decide for themselves.
Yours,
When moral judgements are based upon majority rule, then even murder becomes
legal and moral. Look at all of the attempts to kill off segments of
society in history. Like 1930-1945 Germany. Or the hundreds of millions
who were murdered by the Communists in this century.
Like HP said, murder is still murder, no matter what someone would like to
compromise to.
Also, theft is still theft. Lying about someone is still lying. Taking
another persons spouse is still adultery.
It has already been demonstrated that moral relavitism is the road to ruin,
but people still try to follow that sad path.
God Bless
Carl
I realize that moral relativism is a problematic way to go, but until
someone answers Nietzsche's challenge of finding another basis for our
morality, other than God, I have no choice, as a non-christian, but to
accept that someone else's moral judgements need not be the same as
mine. You will note that I did not defend any absolute moral relativism:
society in my view is allowed to enforce its moral judgements on a
minority in certain cases, but certainly not by simple majority. There
would have to be a massive majority, where it could be said that no
reasonable person (whatever that means) could hold the opposing view.
Martin Holterman
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
27 Nov 2005 05:55:40 PM |
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"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:43886d83$0$2342$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
HP wrote:
I never tried to 'push' my opinon of abortion on anyone.
It does not have anything to do with my religion.
Murder is Murder. Religion or no.
L.S.,
You can't murder something/someone that isn't alive to begin with. Not
to mention that one person's moral judgement about any given act should
not be forced upon another, assuming they are both mature adults,
particularly if this moral judgement is derived from a religious source.
The only exception to this is when a moral judgement is so generally
accepted that one cannot reasonably take another view. Murder of a
living person, for example, is so universally condemned that society is
justified in using the penal codes to enforce this judgement. Abortion,
on the other hand, is of dubious moral virtue, as in: there are
reasonable arguments on either side. Because of that, ever adult should
be free to decide for themselves.
Yours,
When moral judgements are based upon majority rule, then even murder
becomes
legal and moral. Look at all of the attempts to kill off segments of
society in history. Like 1930-1945 Germany. Or the hundreds of
millions
who were murdered by the Communists in this century.
Like HP said, murder is still murder, no matter what someone would like
to
compromise to.
Also, theft is still theft. Lying about someone is still lying. Taking
another persons spouse is still adultery.
It has already been demonstrated that moral relavitism is the road to
ruin,
but people still try to follow that sad path.
God Bless
Carl
I realize that moral relativism is a problematic way to go, but until
someone answers Nietzsche's challenge of finding another basis for our
morality, other than God, I have no choice, as a non-christian, but to
accept that someone else's moral judgements need not be the same as
mine. You will note that I did not defend any absolute moral relativism:
society in my view is allowed to enforce its moral judgements on a
minority in certain cases, but certainly not by simple majority. There
would have to be a massive majority, where it could be said that no
reasonable person (whatever that means) could hold the opposing view.
Martin Holterman
Historically that has proven untrue. There have been many in history who
have forced their moral choices (I should say their immoral choices) on
everyone else.
Nietzsche's challenge is the problem though. Trying to find a moral
absolute without recourse to the Creator God. That is the reason for all of
the suffering in the world.
Now, it is true that some have used the Name of God to impose their own
immorality on others, but if they act like they do not know God, then they
probably do not no matter what they call themselves.
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Taliban Insanity Starts Today |
28 Nov 2005 08:23:02 AM |
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"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:43886d83$0$2342$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
HP wrote:
I never tried to 'push' my opinon of abortion on anyone.
It does not have anything to do with my religion.
Murder is Murder. Religion or no.
L.S.,
You can't murder something/someone that isn't alive to begin with. Not
to mention that one person's moral judgement about any given act should
not be forced upon another, assuming they are both mature adults,
particularly if this moral judgement is derived from a religious source.
The only exception to this is when a moral judgement is so generally
accepted that one cannot reasonably take another view. Murder of a
living person, for example, is so universally condemned that society is
justified in using the penal codes to enforce this judgement. Abortion,
on the other hand, is of dubious moral virtue, as in: there are
reasonable arguments on either side. Because of that, ever adult should
be free to decide for themselves.
Yours,
When moral judgements are based upon majority rule, then even murder
becomes
legal and moral. Look at all of the attempts to kill off segments of
society in history. Like 1930-1945 Germany. Or the hundreds of millions
who were murdered by the Communists in this century.
Like HP said, murder is still murder, no matter what someone would like
to
compromise to.
Also, theft is still theft. Lying about someone is still lying. Taking
another persons spouse is still adultery.
It has already been demonstrated that moral relavitism is the road to
ruin,
but people still try to follow that sad path.
God Bless
Carl
I realize that moral relativism is a problematic way to go, but until
someone answers Nietzsche's challenge of finding another basis for our
morality, other than God, I have no choice, as a non-christian, but to
accept that someone else's moral judgements need not be the same as mine.
You will note that I did not defend any absolute moral relativism: society
in my view is allowed to enforce its moral judgements on a minority in
certain cases, but certainly not by simple majority. There would have to
be a massive majority, where it could be said that no reasonable person
(whatever that means) could hold the opposing view.
Martin Holterman
As "massive a majority" as Germans judging Jews perhaps? Christ is the
principle of love for others, to the death if need be. It is the mother
running into the burning house to fetch her child. It is the soldier falling
on the granade to save his buddies. It is the basis of the most noble
actions a human being is capable of.
If that is insufficient for Nietzsche and you, and you need to look
elsewhere for something / someone to believe in, then there is no hope for
you, and suicide is the only answer. No wonder Nietzsche ended up in an
insane assylum. Where will you end up?
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| User: "" |
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28 Nov 2005 03:42:07 PM |
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Nietzsche ended up in an insane asylum because he had syfilis. A clear
case of too much love...
The problem that he posed is that we need something else to tie our
moral system to, if we can't take Jesus' word for it. Otherwise, we get
relativist systems where everyone's private god tells them what to do,
meaning that no person can criticise another for his moral choices. I
think that outcome is quite unsatisfactory, but I can't think of a
solution. Nietzsche had this whole story of whether or not things are
"natural". (cf. The Antichrist; very funny, not very enlightening.) I
don't think that is the solution. We are human beings, not animals, we
do unnatural things all the time.
Let's make something clear: I am all for love for others. My problem is
that I can't think of what gives me the right to criticize the mother
who chooses *not* to run into the burning house to fetch her child or
the soldier who chooses *not* to fall on the granade. In other words,
I'm pretty sure there's hope for me, but I can't figure out how to
decide whether there is hope for anyone else.
Martin Holterman
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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30 Nov 2005 03:08:49 PM |
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<martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
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Nietzsche ended up in an insane asylum because he had syfilis. A clear
case of too much love...
The problem that he posed is that we need something else to tie our
moral system to, if we can't take Jesus' word for it. Otherwise, we get
relativist systems where everyone's private god tells them what to do,
meaning that no person can criticise another for his moral choices. I
think that outcome is quite unsatisfactory, but I can't think of a
solution. Nietzsche had this whole story of whether or not things are
"natural". (cf. The Antichrist; very funny, not very enlightening.) I
don't think that is the solution. We are human beings, not animals, we
do unnatural things all the time.
Let's make something clear: I am all for love for others. My problem is
that I can't think of what gives me the right to criticize the mother
who chooses *not* to run into the burning house to fetch her child or
the soldier who chooses *not* to fall on the granade. In other words,
I'm pretty sure there's hope for me, but I can't figure out how to
decide whether there is hope for anyone else.
Martin Holterman
I also am all for love for others. As is Jesus.
Real love is not evidenced in our words, or our feelings. It is evidenced
in what we do for others.
God's love is evidenced in His Son coming to earth, living a truly righteous
life, dying for us, and being Raised from the dead. That is my only claim
here.
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were
still sinners, Christ died for us. NIV
If we start from His Love, there is hope for all who would take it.
God bless
Carl
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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30 Nov 2005 05:23:54 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:08:49 -0500, "Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net>
wrote:
I also am all for love for others. As is Jesus.
What has some mythical character got to do with it.
Real love is not evidenced in our words, or our feelings. It is evidenced
in what we do for others.
God's love is evidenced in His Son coming to earth, living a truly righteous
life, dying for us, and being Raised from the dead. That is my only claim
here.
Only in your masturbatory fantasies. We're in the real world now.
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were
still sinners, Christ died for us. NIV
What the ***** has that got to do with anything outside your religion?
If we start from His Love, there is hope for all who would take it.
Either demonstrate its existence outside your deluded imagination or
SHUT THE ***** UP, moron.
God bless
Go to hell.
Carl
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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02 Dec 2005 11:02:46 AM |
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<martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
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Nietzsche ended up in an insane asylum because he had syfilis. A clear
case of too much love...
The problem that he posed is that we need something else to tie our
moral system to, if we can't take Jesus' word for it. Otherwise, we get
relativist systems where everyone's private god tells them what to do,
meaning that no person can criticise another for his moral choices. I
think that outcome is quite unsatisfactory, but I can't think of a
solution. Nietzsche had this whole story of whether or not things are
"natural". (cf. The Antichrist; very funny, not very enlightening.) I
don't think that is the solution. We are human beings, not animals, we
do unnatural things all the time.
Let's make something clear: I am all for love for others. My problem is
that I can't think of what gives me the right to criticize the mother
who chooses *not* to run into the burning house to fetch her child or
the soldier who chooses *not* to fall on the granade. In other words,
I'm pretty sure there's hope for me, but I can't figure out how to
decide whether there is hope for anyone else.
Martin Holterman
Who said anything about criticizing? The question is more about what is
worthy to affirm. If you have nothing to affirm and to believe in, you are
instantly in hell, where the ONLY activity is "wailing" malicious gossip,
criticism, nagging, diminution and rejection. Inevitably there will be also
the "gnashing of teeth" in impotent rage.
It's about one's focus in life. Is your function to be negative,
critical, fault finding, and condemning what is bad, looking for error,
mistakes and lies? Or are you to be positive and support, affirm, help,
uplift, praise and glorify that which is good? Meaning to see yourself
closer to God rather than farther from Satan.
Read the average post and see who is a theist and who is atheist, merely
by his focus.
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:8:12: But the children of Satan's kingdom shall be cast into
outer darkness: There shall be wailing (of interminable complaints) and
gnashing of teeth (in furious anger and frustration).
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| User: "Martin Holterman" |
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02 Dec 2005 08:07:51 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
<martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:1133192526.955233.99010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Nietzsche ended up in an insane asylum because he had syfilis. A clear
case of too much love...
The problem that he posed is that we need something else to tie our
moral system to, if we can't take Jesus' word for it. Otherwise, we get
relativist systems where everyone's private god tells them what to do,
meaning that no person can criticise another for his moral choices. I
think that outcome is quite unsatisfactory, but I can't think of a
solution. Nietzsche had this whole story of whether or not things are
"natural". (cf. The Antichrist; very funny, not very enlightening.) I
don't think that is the solution. We are human beings, not animals, we
do unnatural things all the time.
Let's make something clear: I am all for love for others. My problem is
that I can't think of what gives me the right to criticize the mother
who chooses *not* to run into the burning house to fetch her child or
the soldier who chooses *not* to fall on the granade. In other words,
I'm pretty sure there's hope for me, but I can't figure out how to
decide whether there is hope for anyone else.
Martin Holterman
Who said anything about criticizing? The question is more about what is
worthy to affirm. If you have nothing to affirm and to believe in, you are
instantly in hell, where the ONLY activity is "wailing" malicious gossip,
criticism, nagging, diminution and rejection. Inevitably there will be also
the "gnashing of teeth" in impotent rage.
It's about one's focus in life. Is your function to be negative,
critical, fault finding, and condemning what is bad, looking for error,
mistakes and lies? Or are you to be positive and support, affirm, help,
uplift, praise and glorify that which is good? Meaning to see yourself
closer to God rather than farther from Satan.
Read the average post and see who is a theist and who is atheist, merely
by his focus.
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:8:12: But the children of Satan's kingdom shall be cast into
outer darkness: There shall be wailing (of interminable complaints) and
gnashing of teeth (in furious anger and frustration).
None of which adresses the basic problem of what is the yardstick by
which we decide what is right and what is wrong.
Martin Holterman
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04 Dec 2005 09:14:43 PM |
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"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
Who said anything about criticizing? The question is more about what
is worthy to affirm. If you have nothing to affirm and to believe in, you
are instantly in hell, where the ONLY activity is "wailing" malicious
gossip, criticism, nagging, diminution and rejection. Inevitably there
will be also the "gnashing of teeth" in impotent rage.
It's about one's focus in life. Is your function to be negative,
critical, fault finding, and condemning what is bad, looking for error,
mistakes and lies? Or are you to be positive and support, affirm, help,
uplift, praise and glorify that which is good? Meaning to see yourself
closer to God rather than farther from Satan.
Read the average post and see who is a theist and who is atheist,
merely by his focus.
None of which adresses the basic problem of what is the yardstick by which
we decide what is right and what is wrong.
We all have to decide on our "yardstick" ourselves. By far most
yardsticks demand we do what is good, not evil. Christ gave us His rules to
help us decide "what is right and what is wrong", good and evil etc. and any
person with a shred of empathy, who follows His rules, can decide fairly
accurately. See below
Pastor Frank
The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which would
make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally
unthinkable:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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| User: "Martin Holterman" |
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05 Dec 2005 07:42:55 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
Who said anything about criticizing? The question is more about what
is worthy to affirm. If you have nothing to affirm and to believe in, you
are instantly in hell, where the ONLY activity is "wailing" malicious
gossip, criticism, nagging, diminution and rejection. Inevitably there
will be also the "gnashing of teeth" in impotent rage.
It's about one's focus in life. Is your function to be negative,
critical, fault finding, and condemning what is bad, looking for error,
mistakes and lies? Or are you to be positive and support, affirm, help,
uplift, praise and glorify that which is good? Meaning to see yourself
closer to God rather than farther from Satan.
Read the average post and see who is a theist and who is atheist,
merely by his focus.
None of which adresses the basic problem of what is the yardstick by which
we decide what is right and what is wrong.
We all have to decide on our "yardstick" ourselves. By far most
yardsticks demand we do what is good, not evil. Christ gave us His rules to
help us decide "what is right and what is wrong", good and evil etc. and any
person with a shred of empathy, who follows His rules, can decide fairly
accurately. See below
Pastor Frank
Yes, but if my yardstick is as good as yours, what gives me the right to
pass judgment on another. (And yes, I know what Jesus said about that,
but that doesn't change the fact that Courts of Law exist.)
Martin Holterman
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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10 Dec 2005 01:58:34 PM |
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"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:4390a996$0$2332$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Who said anything about criticizing? The question is more about what
is worthy to affirm. If you have nothing to affirm and to believe in,
you are instantly in hell, where the ONLY activity is "wailing"
malicious gossip, criticism, nagging, diminution and rejection.
Inevitably there will be also the "gnashing of teeth" in impotent rage.
It's about one's focus in life. Is your function to be negative,
critical, fault finding, and condemning what is bad, looking for error,
mistakes and lies? Or are you to be positive and support, affirm, help,
uplift, praise and glorify that which is good? Meaning to see yourself
closer to God rather than farther from Satan.
Read the average post and see who is a theist and who is atheist,
merely by his focus.
None of which adresses the basic problem of what is the yardstick by
which we decide what is right and what is wrong.
We all have to decide on our "yardstick" ourselves. By far most
yardsticks demand we do what is good, not evil. Christ gave us His rules
to help us decide "what is right and what is wrong", good and evil etc.
and any person with a shred of empathy, who follows His rules, can decide
fairly accurately. See below
Yes, but if my yardstick is as good as yours, what gives me the right to
pass judgment on another. (And yes, I know what Jesus said about that, but
that doesn't change the fact that Courts of Law exist.)
Courts are there to determine who is at fault. Like I said before, don't
know of any country in the world, whose courts decide what are desirable
character qualities and promotes them. That is normally the purview of
religion. But if you know any such "Courts of Law", lets hear about them.
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| User: "Martin Holterman" |
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10 Dec 2005 02:43:39 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:4394983f$0$2346$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:4390a996$0$2332$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Who said anything about criticizing? The question is more about what
is worthy to affirm. If you have nothing to affirm and to believe in,
you are instantly in hell, where the ONLY activity is "wailing"
malicious gossip, criticism, nagging, diminution and rejection.
Inevitably there will be also the "gnashing of teeth" in impotent rage.
It's about one's focus in life. Is your function to be negative,
critical, fault finding, and condemning what is bad, looking for error,
mistakes and lies? Or are you to be positive and support, affirm, help,
uplift, praise and glorify that which is good? Meaning to see yourself
closer to God rather than farther from Satan.
Read the average post and see who is a theist and who is atheist,
merely by his focus.
None of which adresses the basic problem of what is the yardstick by
which we decide what is right and what is wrong.
We all have to decide on our "yardstick" ourselves. By far most
yardsticks demand we do what is good, not evil. Christ gave us His rules
to help us decide "what is right and what is wrong", good and evil etc.
and any person with a shred of empathy, who follows His rules, can decide
fairly accurately. See below
Yes, but if my yardstick is as good as yours, what gives me the right to
pass judgment on another. (And yes, I know what Jesus said about that, but
that doesn't change the fact that Courts of Law exist.)
Courts are there to determine who is at fault. Like I said before, don't
know of any country in the world, whose courts decide what are desirable
character qualities and promotes them. That is normally the purview of
religion. But if you know any such "Courts of Law", lets hear about them.
If I shoot someone because I am a solypsist, what gives society, as
represented by the legislature that enacted the Penal Code, the Court
that convicted me and the police who arrested me, the right to put me in
prison?
Martin Holterman
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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14 Dec 2005 03:03:26 PM |
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"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:4394983f$0$2346$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:4390a996$0$2332$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Who said anything about criticizing? The question is more about
what is worthy to affirm. If you have nothing to affirm and to
believe in, you are instantly in hell, where the ONLY activity is
"wailing" malicious gossip, criticism, nagging, diminution and
rejection. Inevitably there will be also the "gnashing of teeth" in
impotent rage.
It's about one's focus in life. Is your function to be negative,
critical, fault finding, and condemning what is bad, looking for
error, mistakes and lies? Or are you to be positive and support,
affirm, help, uplift, praise and glorify that which is good? Meaning
to see yourself closer to God rather than farther from Satan.
Read the average post and see who is a theist and who is atheist,
merely by his focus.
None of which adresses the basic problem of what is the yardstick by
which we decide what is right and what is wrong.
We all have to decide on our "yardstick" ourselves. By far most
yardsticks demand we do what is good, not evil. Christ gave us His
rules to help us decide "what is right and what is wrong", good and
evil etc. and any person with a shred of empathy, who follows His
rules, can decide fairly accurately. See below
Yes, but if my yardstick is as good as yours, what gives me the right to
pass judgment on another. (And yes, I know what Jesus said about that,
but that doesn't change the fact that Courts of Law exist.)
Courts are there to determine who is at fault. Like I said before,
don't know of any country in the world, whose courts decide what are
desirable character qualities and promotes them. That is normally the
purview of religion. But if you know any such "Courts of Law", lets hear
about them.
If I shoot someone because I am a solypsist, what gives society, as
represented by the legislature that enacted the Penal Code, the Court that
convicted me and the police who arrested me, the right to put me in
prison?
Martin Holterman
Non sequitur!! What has that to do with my post? Answer the question!!!
Which "court" promotes good character qualities? You made the claim about
courts doing what religion does. The courts I know have nothing much to say
about what constitutes a good character, nor do they go out of their way to
teach and promote such. They merely convict those demonstrating bad
character qualities and get themselves caught.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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06 Dec 2005 01:27:12 PM |
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"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:4390a996$0$2332$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Who said anything about criticizing? The question is more about what
is worthy to affirm. If you have nothing to affirm and to believe in,
you are instantly in hell, where the ONLY activity is "wailing"
malicious gossip, criticism, nagging, diminution and rejection.
Inevitably there will be also the "gnashing of teeth" in impotent rage.
It's about one's focus in life. Is your function to be negative,
critical, fault finding, and condemning what is bad, looking for error,
mistakes and lies? Or are you to be positive and support, affirm, help,
uplift, praise and glorify that which is good? Meaning to see yourself
closer to God rather than farther from Satan.
Read the average post and see who is a theist and who is atheist,
merely by his focus.
None of which adresses the basic problem of what is the yardstick by
which we decide what is right and what is wrong.
We all have to decide on our "yardstick" ourselves. By far most
yardsticks demand we do what is good, not evil. Christ gave us His rules
to help us decide "what is right and what is wrong", good and evil etc.
and any person with a shred of empathy, who follows His rules, can decide
fairly accurately. See below
Yes, but if my yardstick is as good as yours, what gives me the right to
pass judgment on another. (And yes, I know what Jesus said about that, but
that doesn't change the fact that Courts of Law exist.)
What authority have courts in deciding whether you are loving, caring,
nice, friendly, supporting, kind etc. etc. etc., or the despicable
opposite? Or are you on of those who think, that being good merely means not
being criminally evil? LOL
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| User: "Martin Holterman" |
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06 Dec 2005 04:18:46 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:4394983f$0$2346$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Martin Holterman" <martin.holterman@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:4390a996$0$2332$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Who said anything about criticizing? The question is more about what
is worthy to affirm. If you have nothing to affirm and to believe in,
you are instantly in hell, where the ONLY activity is "wailing"
malicious gossip, criticism, nagging, diminution and rejection.
Inevitably there will be also the "gnashing of teeth" in impotent rage.
It's about one's focus in life. Is your function to be negative,
critical, fault finding, and condemning what is bad, looking for error,
mistakes and lies? Or are you to be positive and support, affirm, help,
uplift, praise and glorify that which is good? Meaning to see yourself
closer to God rather than farther from Satan.
Read the average post and see who is a theist and who is atheist,
merely by his focus.
None of which adresses the basic problem of what is the yardstick by
which we decide what is right and what is wrong.
We all have to decide on our "yardstick" ourselves. By far most
yardsticks demand we do what is good, not evil. Christ gave us His rules
to help us decide "what is right and what is wrong", good and evil etc.
and any person with a shred of empathy, who follows His rules, can decide
fairly accurately. See below
Yes, but if my yardstick is as good as yours, what gives me the right to
pass judgment on another. (And yes, I know what Jesus said about that, but
that doesn't change the fact that Courts of Law exist.)
What authority have courts in deciding whether you are loving, caring,
nice, friendly, supporting, kind etc. etc. etc., or the despicable
opposite? Or are you on of those who think, that being good merely means not
being criminally evil? LOL
No, but I am one of those people who thinks that being criminally evil
means not being good.
Martin Holterman
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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26 Nov 2005 02:57:25 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:52:51 -0500, "Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net>
wrote:
When moral judgements are based upon majority rule, then even murder becomes
legal and moral. Look at all of the attempts to kill off segments of
society in history. Like 1930-1945 Germany. Or the hundreds of millions
who were murdered by the Communists in this century.
The deliberate nastiness of the anti-abortionist.
Like HP said, murder is still murder, no matter what someone would like to
compromise to.
So demonstrate that abortion is murder before lying about those less
ignorant than you are, BY CITING THE RELEVANT STATUTE.
Of course you can't. Because abortionis a legal medical procedure.
Also, theft is still theft. Lying about someone is still lying. Taking
another persons spouse is still adultery.
Give the man a peanut. If lying about someone is still lying, why do
so many of you hypocrites bear false witness?
It has already been demonstrated that moral relavitism is the road to ruin,
but people still try to follow that sad path.
Why are so many theists susch liars?
God Bless
Go ***** yourself, santimoniously nasty hypocrite.
Carl
Martin Holterman
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| User: "host" |
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26 Nov 2005 02:53:46 PM |
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"ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:J6xhf.14654$ih5.14362@dukeread11...
The material world of the Christian Taliban starts today. Today, over 40
million christians will swamp the Wal-Marts, Macy's, Best-Buys, K-Marts,
etc. and try to buy respect with material goods.
Of course, they will boycott businesses such as Target, because Target
(according to their biblical leaders) refused to print "Merry Christmas"
on
their flyers. Little do these absent-minded shoppers know, the Target
"rumor" was just that. A rumor. Target (like a sucker) does have a "Merry
Christmas" sale going on.
Christians are the scum of the human population, and hold the lowest IQ's.
They will spend more money buying gifts than they can afford and will
ultimately contribute to our national debt. Christians are bad for
America,
bad for humanity, and the only thing they actually accomplish is helping
Big
Business with corporate proits for the 4th quarter.
Greedy little bastards.
Who, the sheep, or the pigs?
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| User: "ManMadeGod" |
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25 Nov 2005 05:26:57 AM |
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"ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:J6xhf.14654$ih5.14362@dukeread11...
The material world of the Christian Taliban starts today. Today, over 40
million christians will swamp the Wal-Marts, Macy's, Best-Buys, K-Marts,
etc. and try to buy respect with material goods.
Of course, they will boycott businesses such as Target, because Target
(according to their biblical leaders) refused to print "Merry Christmas"
on their flyers. Little do these absent-minded shoppers know, the Target
"rumor" was just that. A rumor. Target (like a sucker) does have a "Merry
Christmas" sale going on.
Christians are the scum of the human population, and hold the lowest IQ's.
They will spend more money buying gifts than they can afford and will
ultimately contribute to our national debt. Christians are bad for
America, bad for humanity, and the only thing they actually accomplish is
helping Big Business with corporate proits for the 4th quarter.
Greedy little bastards.
What? No argument? I Guess that the greedy Christians are too busy shopping
to defend their greed.
Bunch of morons.
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| User: "Dennis" |
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26 Nov 2005 12:40:33 AM |
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"ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jgxhf.14656$ih5.267@dukeread11...
"ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
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stupidity sniped
What? No argument? I Guess that the greedy Christians are too busy
shopping
to defend their greed.
Bunch of morons.
Funny that you require a reply, yet on 11-8-05 you did not have the guts to
reply to my post o your original post to rename this group. I'm sorry to
imply that you are intelligent enough to have an "original post". Your
double standards are showing again. better yet, why not just give up the
battle that you are always losing?
IHS,
Dennis
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| User: "beber" |
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25 Nov 2005 12:23:36 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:16:43 -0500, "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>
wrote:
They rioted in Florida today.
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| User: "HP" |
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25 Nov 2005 03:24:46 PM |
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Oh you want a reply? Well most of us Christians are not shopping this
morning.
I never shop on this day. I did give thanks yesterday that I could shop if
I wanted to.
You are hurting. I know you want to be saved like we are. I feel you are
trying to reach
out.
My prayer is that you will turn you life over to Christ today.
Christians are not perfect, but we are forgiven.
Be Blessed.
"beber" <buplerum@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:16:43 -0500, "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>
wrote:
They rioted in Florida today.
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| User: "Ron Olin" |
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25 Nov 2005 05:45:30 PM |
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Oh you want a reply? Well most of us Christians are not shopping this
morning.
I never shop on this day. I did give thanks yesterday that I could shop
if
I wanted to.
You are hurting. I know you want to be saved like we are. I feel you are
trying to reach
out.
You are "saved"? PROVE IT.
My prayer is that you will turn you life over to Christ today.
"Turn you life over to Christ today"? - Hey buddy. Got some news for ya.
"Christ" is dead, and has been for quite some time now.
Christians are not perfect, but we are forgiven.
Forgiven for WHAT? THINKING people don't make "mistakes" like the ones YOU
"moral" christians do. WE don't NEED to be "forgiven".
Be Blessed.
"beber" <buplerum@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:16:43 -0500, "ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com>
wrote:
They rioted in Florida today.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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27 Nov 2005 03:09:52 AM |
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"Ron Olin" <ronolin@telus.net> wrote in message
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Forgiven for WHAT? THINKING people don't make "mistakes" like the ones
YOU "moral" christians do. WE don't NEED to be "forgiven".
There are no "moral Christians" for all fall short of the glory and
perfection of God. We need to be forgiven for our shortcomings, for our
relationship with God is that of a child with his doting Father.
Your final words are enshrined in the words of Jesus below.
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Lk:15:7: I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven
over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons,
which need no repentance.
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