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"BLUERHYMER" |
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03 Jan 2005 01:49:27 AM |
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The Church is the state and always has been. |
Separation of church and state? Nonsense.
The Church is the state and always has been.
You admit that your are an atheist and try running for office. G-d help you.
HIS vote may be the only vote you will get since He LOVES you and allegedly
does not favor any particular candidate or political party.
For those who have any knowledge of Western Civilization, they surely
understand that American politics is merely a spin off of the Catholic Church
and its hundreds of years of social control and political appointments in
Europe
starting with Constantine's death bed Donation, which added legitimacy to a
convenient political arrangement between the Catholic Church and the Frankish
state.
The Donation was revealed to be a forgery in 1440.
The Donation of Constantine - The Donation of Constantine. ... The
Encyclopedia of Hoaxes. 66-67. On the forgery of the alleged Donation of
Constantine. Text copyright © 2002 Alex Boese. ...
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/donation.html
Similarities:
The Constitution = The Canon Law Code
The Pope = The president
The Cardinals = The cabinet
The Bishops = The Senate
The Monsignors = The House of Representative
Canon law judges = Supreme Court
: Roman Catholic = In the Roman Catholic Church, the body of law based on the
legislation of the councils (both ecumenical and local) and the popes, as well
as the bishops (for diocesan matters). It is the law of the church courts and
is formally distinguished from other parts of ecclesiastical law, such as
liturgical law. However, when liturgical law overlaps with canon law, canon law
normally prevails. Canon law has had a profound influence on the law of
countries where the Roman Catholic Church has been the state church. In the
Middle Ages the church courts had very wide jurisdiction—e.g., in England,
control of the law of personal property—and because they were well regulated,
they tended to attract many borderline cases that might also have been heard by
the developing royal courts (see benefit of clergy ). Catholics of Eastern
rites have their own separate codes of canon law, approved by the Roman
Catholic Church. The term “canon law” is also used for ecclesiastical law
in churches of the Anglican Communion. The Anglican Constitutions and Canons
Ecclesiastical (1603) was a collection of rulings, not based on the old canon
law, but given equal force with the canon law.
The Church even has its lobbyists:
"RELIGIOUS LOBBYISTS HEAD FOR CAPITOL HILL"
For the Catholic Church, the issues include welfare reform,
limits on abortion and a tax credit for low-income parents with
children and an gurantee that the Church will remain tax exempt even if it owns
ammunition factories and condom manufacturing plants.
While most religious groups work both sides of the partisan
aisle and count members of both parties among their supporters,
liberal denominations acknowledge that the Republican sweep of
Congress makes it harder to achieve their goals.
"Welfare reform is going to be a real test of values," said
John Carr, secretary of the department of social development and
world peace at the U.S. Catholic Conference, which represents the
nation's Roman Catholic bishops in public policy matters.
"We want to see genuine welfare reform, but we are concerned
that it serve the needs of poor families, not the needs of
politicians. ... There needs to be more personal responsibility,
but not just for the down and out."
Zoroaster help us.
Let us prey
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The Church is the state and always has been. |
03 Jan 2005 12:58:32 PM |
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"BLUERHYMER" <bluerhymer@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050103024927.07117.00002571@mb-m10.aol.com...
Separation of church and state? Nonsense.
The Church is the state and always has been.
You admit that your are an atheist and try running for office.
Yes. Unfortunately, for all practical purposes, the church influences the
state. Luckily, the church influence is moderated somewhat by The
Constitution.
But I think it's getting tired.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: The Church is the state and always has been. |
03 Jan 2005 05:17:30 AM |
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BLUERHYMER wrote:
Separation of church and state? Nonsense.
The Church is the state and always has been.
[...]
There's no mention of God in the Constitution.
U.S. Constitution
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified
12/15/1791. Note
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
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prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Article VI. - The United States
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption
of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under
this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,
any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of
the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial
Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be
bound by Oath or Affirmation, to
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support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required
as a
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Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Section 3 - The Senate
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from
each State, (chosen by the Legislature thereof,) (The preceding words
in parentheses superseded by Amendment XVII, section 1.) for six Years;
and each Senator shall have one Vote.
Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first
Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three
Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated
at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the
Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration
of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year;
(and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the
Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make
temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which
shall then fill such Vacancies.) (The preceding words in parentheses
were superseded by Amendment XVII, section 2.)
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of
thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and
who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which
he shall be chosen.
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the
Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro
tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall
exercise the Office of President of the United States.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When
sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When
the President of the
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United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person
shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members
present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to
removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office
of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party
convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment,
Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Article II. - The Executive Branch Note
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the
following Oath or Affirmation:
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"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the
Office of
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President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability,
preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Amendment IV - Search and seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the
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persons or things to be seized.
"Though the cool deism of Washington can hardly be distinguished in
broad outline from that of Jefferson, the public reaction to the two
men and their religious views differed sharply. Only Jefferson was
denounced as the 'howling atheist,' never Washington. Only Jefferson
was attacked as the enemy of the churches and the clergy, never
Washington. A curious public probed and punches Adams, Franklin and
Jefferson regarding their Christian convictions, but never Washington."
Faith of Our Fathers, Religion and the New Nation. Edwin S. Gaustad,
Harper & Row, (1987) pp 77
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the
supreme being as his father in the womb of a Virgin Mary, will be
classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of
Jupiter.... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of
thought in these United States will do away [with] all this artificial
scaffolding. (Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, 11 April 1823, as
quoted by E. S. Gaustad, "Religion," in Merrill D. Peterson, ed.,
Thomas Jefferson: A Reference Biography, New York: Charles Scribner's
Sons, 1986, p. 287.)
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ed_buckner/quotations.html
"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be
one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of
blindfolded Fear."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to his young nephew Peter Carr, August
10, 1787. From Adrienne Koch, ed., The American Enlightenment: The
Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society, New York: George
Braziller, 1965, pp. 320-321.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ed_buckner/quotations.html
America's Real Religion
http://www.sunnetworks.net/~ggarman/index.html
Some of The First Official Meanings Assigned to The Establishment
Clause
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/madvetos.htm
While James Madison was president of the United States (1809-1817 He
vetoed three bills sent to him by Congress to sign into law. President
Madison vetoed the bills because, in his opinion, they violated the
Establishment clause.
The case for separation of church and state.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/basicidx.htm
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: The Church is the state and always has been. |
03 Jan 2005 10:27:47 AM |
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BLUERHYMER wrote:
Separation of church and state? Nonsense.
The Church is the state and always has been.
You admit that your are an atheist and try running for office. G-d
help you.
HIS vote may be the only vote you will get since He LOVES you and
allegedly
does not favor any particular candidate or political party.
For those who have any knowledge of Western Civilization, they surely
understand that American politics is merely a spin off of the
Catholic Church
Catholic?!?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Are you seriously that stupid? If you believe that then please explain
the decades of discrimination that Catholics have endured in America.
What a maroon.
jwk
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Church is the state and always has been. |
03 Jan 2005 11:03:13 AM |
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On 03 Jan 2005 07:49:27 GMT, (BLUERHYMER) drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
You admit that your are an atheist and try running for office. G-d help you.
HIS vote may be the only vote you will get since He LOVES you and allegedly
does not favor any particular candidate or political party.
Governor Jesse Ventura. Noted athiest.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The Church is the state and always has been. |
03 Jan 2005 12:54:32 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:qcuit0p74mr010qtre3lbdpgota1q6f7rs@4ax.com...
On 03 Jan 2005 07:49:27 GMT, (BLUERHYMER) drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
You admit that your are an atheist and try running for office. G-d help
you.
HIS vote may be the only vote you will get since He LOVES you and
allegedly
does not favor any particular candidate or political party.
Governor Jesse Ventura. Noted athiest.
That's ONE.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: The Church is the state and always has been. |
03 Jan 2005 05:48:11 AM |
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On 03 Jan 2005 07:49:27 GMT, (BLUERHYMER) wrote:
Separation of church and state? Nonsense.
The Church is the state and always has been.
Why do you lie about this?
You admit that your are an atheist and try running for office. G-d help you.
HIS vote may be the only vote you will get since He LOVES you and allegedly
does not favor any particular candidate or political party.
Figments of your deluded imagination don't vote, moron.
[rest of these deliberate falsehoods snipped]
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: The Church is the state and always has been. |
03 Jan 2005 08:24:35 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:26cit0974utafi9iu3bb1bee4uht69fbct@4ax.com...
On 03 Jan 2005 07:49:27 GMT, (BLUERHYMER) wrote:
Separation of church and state? Nonsense.
The Church is the state and always has been.
Why do you lie about this?
You admit that your are an atheist and try running for office. G-d help
you.
HIS vote may be the only vote you will get since He LOVES you and
allegedly
does not favor any particular candidate or political party.
Figments of your deluded imagination don't vote, moron.
[rest of these deliberate falsehoods snipped]
I think your irony meter has failed
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