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"Voice of Truth" |
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18 Oct 2004 03:20:45 PM |
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The Coming End of Atheism |
A funny thing happened on way to disbelief
A theologian at Oxford University explains why atheism's appeal has
faded.
By Jane Lampman
Time magazine spurred public debate 40 years ago with a startling
question on its cover: "Is God Dead?" Some estimate that half the
world's population was then nominally atheist. And many in the West
were predicting that scientific progress would eliminate religious
belief altogether by the next century.
The tide has dramatically turned, however, and Alistar McGrath - a
theologian at Oxford University who was once in that camp - charts the
shift in currents of thought in "The Twilight of Atheism: The Rise and
Fall of Disbelief in the Modern World."
In this accessible intellectual history, McGrath explores how atheism
came to capture a wide swath of the public imagination as the road to
human liberation and progress, and why, in a postmodern world, its
appeal has faded. Yet he also makes clear that, despite the resurgence
in faith, Western Christianity has not fully recovered from the crisis
of the '60s.
Depicting atheism's heyday between the fall of the Bastille in 1789
and the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, McGrath highlights the
specific contributions of the major philosophers, scientists, and
artists who shaped the secular world, from the famous, such as
Nietsche, Marx, Freud, and Darwin, to the less familiar, such as
D'Holbach, Fuerbach, and Monod.
McGrath contends that the origins of atheism lay primarily in a
protest against the power, privilege, and corruption of church
institutions - beginning with the French Revolution and later in
Germany. Early proponents believed, he says, that "human happiness
depends upon the triumph of atheism, which alone can liberate humanity
from tyranny, war, and oppression - all of which have religious
roots."
McGrath, who is Protestant, also contends that Protestantism itself
played a role in divorcing the sacred from many aspects of life,
thereby helping create a sense of God's absence. And, he argues, a
cerebral Christianity - the emphasis on theological correctness, on
doctrines, and having the right idea of God - engages the mind but
leaves emotions and imagination untouched.
Atheism gained strength from a symbiosis with the scientific
revolution and the developing perception of an inevitable conflict
between science and religion. Mathematician William Kingdon Clifford
argued, for instance, that it's wrong to believe anything upon
insufficient evidence.
As science began to replace religion as the interpreter of human
experience, artists joined the revolt against God, and poets such as
Shelley, Keats, and Swinburne turned to nature to experience the
transcendent. Christian imagery lost its attraction, and God
increasingly became an absence in the popular imagination.
Atheism envisioned a glorious future for a humanity freed from
outdated religious dogmas and restrictions, with unlimited potential
provided by scientific advancement and the human imagination. Human
beings could not only be good without God, but much better.
The reality has been very different. Along with progress, scientific
advance brought environmental devastation and the potential to
eliminate human life. Atheistic regimes dominating a huge proportion
of the globe created new forms of tyranny (including mind control) and
executed unprecedented millions.
At the same time, many arguments failed to hold up. "No major
historian of science now takes seriously the idea that science and
religion are in perpetual conflict," McGrath says.
While some, like Richard Dawkins, continue to insist on atheism, his
fellow Darwinist, Stephen Jay Gould, countered that Darwinism has no
bearing on the existence of God: "We neither affirm nor deny it; we
simply can't comment on it as scientists." A 1996 survey showed that
40 percent of scientists hold religious beliefs.
McGrath also shows that some arguments of proponents, such as Sigmund
Freud, rested not on scientific evidence so much as on a personal
antipathy toward religion. Yet others were based on a criticism of the
moral character of a God that would perpetrate such doctrines as
eternal punishment.
He acknowledges that atheism, like Marxism, has always been more
popular in Europe than in the US because of the fight against
entrenched institutions. In telling the story of Madalyn Murray
O'Hare, he suggests the unattractiveness of the US atheist community
is another reason.
McGrath does not venture into the community of humanists, which has
considerably more intellectual heft, and which might give a more
comprehensive sense of the contemporary picture (including a new group
calling itself the "Brights"). But this is incisive, valuable, and
provocative historical analysis, which stirs a host of intriguing
questions.
Jane Lampman writes about religion for the Monitor.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0803/p16s01-bogn.html?s=entb
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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18 Oct 2004 03:24:11 PM |
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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The accumulation of all power, legislative,
executive, and judicial in the same hands...
may justly be pronounced the very definition
of tyranny."
- James Madison, _The Federalist_, #47
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19 Oct 2004 04:19:21 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
--
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific discovery.
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| User: "Mark Nutter" |
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19 Oct 2004 05:56:34 PM |
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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20 Oct 2004 11:19:43 AM |
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(Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial, but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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20 Oct 2004 06:24:51 PM |
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"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message news:<87pt3dl5uo.fsf@drizzle.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial, but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
Never, not on this scale.
Science would have been the privelege of few initiates
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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20 Oct 2004 07:25:50 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message news:<87pt3dl5uo.fsf@drizzle.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial, but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
Never, not on this scale.
Science would have been the privelege of few initiates
Funny that you never see anyone thanking the gods for certain
advancements in science.
"Thank god for the internal combustion engine, and the green house gases
it produces."
"Thank god for the atomic bomb."
"Thank god for the genetically engineered foods that could feed
millions, if the gods were not in the way."
"Thank god for abortion, which has saved many thousands of womens lives."
"Thank god for prosthetics and bionics, for limbs the gods took anyway
in the holy wars."
Yeah, science would have gotten no where if were not for the gods.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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21 Oct 2004 11:00:52 AM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <> wrote in message news:<i9cj42-e12.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message news:<87pt3dl5uo.fsf@drizzle.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial, but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
Never, not on this scale.
Science would have been the privelege of few initiates
Funny that you never see anyone thanking the gods for certain
advancements in science.
"Thank god for the internal combustion engine, and the green house gases
it produces."
"Thank god for the atomic bomb."
"Thank god for the genetically engineered foods that could feed
millions, if the gods were not in the way."
"Thank god for abortion, which has saved many thousands of womens lives."
"Thank god for prosthetics and bionics, for limbs the gods took anyway
in the holy wars."
Yeah, science would have gotten no where if were not for the gods.
Just look at the world around you, the barbarian world where cannibalism
polythiesm, idols worship are monnaie courante. Any scientific revolution
there?
Look the Arabian world from barbarian to intellectual achievement, they
had to convert to the Monotheism. You can not worship trees or cows
or sacred rivers and pretend to high scientific discovery.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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21 Oct 2004 12:05:53 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message news:<i9cj42-e12.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message news:<87pt3dl5uo.fsf@drizzle.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial, but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
Never, not on this scale.
Science would have been the privelege of few initiates
Funny that you never see anyone thanking the gods for certain
advancements in science.
"Thank god for the internal combustion engine, and the green house gases
it produces."
"Thank god for the atomic bomb."
"Thank god for the genetically engineered foods that could feed
millions, if the gods were not in the way."
"Thank god for abortion, which has saved many thousands of womens lives."
"Thank god for prosthetics and bionics, for limbs the gods took anyway
in the holy wars."
Yeah, science would have gotten no where if were not for the gods.
Just look at the world around you, the barbarian world where cannibalism
polythiesm, idols worship are monnaie courante. Any scientific revolution
there?
Look the Arabian world from barbarian to intellectual achievement, they
had to convert to the Monotheism. You can not worship trees or cows
or sacred rivers and pretend to high scientific discovery.
Ignoring the point will not make it go away.
The gods were not needed for scientific advancements to happen. And are
conveniently ignored in light of the advances in science, medicine,
technology, and human advancement.
When all gods are ignored, or extinct, humans advance. Those wrapped in
the superstition of the dark ages, stagnate, and the gods hold sway.
Our own ignorant president wants to quash scientific advancement, except
in a destructive capacity.
Medical advances in family planning = bad
Bunker busting nuclear bombs = good
Using stem cells to treat conditions = bad
Missile defense systems = good
Having secular government = bad
Forcing your religion onto other countries = good
And strangely enough, his choices on what is good and what is bad, are
based on his belief in his mythical war god.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Hank" |
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28 Oct 2004 07:27:35 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <> wrote in message
news:5t6l42-bi5.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message
news:<i9cj42-e12.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:<87pt3dl5uo.fsf@drizzle.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their
collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific
discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial, but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The
scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
Never, not on this scale. Science would have been the privelege of few
initiates
Funny that you never see anyone thanking the gods for certain
advancements in science.
"Thank god for the internal combustion engine, and the green house gases
it produces."
"Thank god for the atomic bomb."
"Thank god for the genetically engineered foods that could feed millions,
if the gods were not in the way."
"Thank god for abortion, which has saved many thousands of womens lives."
"Thank god for prosthetics and bionics, for limbs the gods took anyway in
the holy wars."
Yeah, science would have gotten no where if were not for the gods.
Just look at the world around you, the barbarian world where cannibalism
polythiesm, idols worship are monnaie courante. Any scientific
revolution there?
Look the Arabian world from barbarian to intellectual achievement, they
had to convert to the Monotheism. You can not worship trees or cows
or sacred rivers and pretend to high scientific discovery.
Ignoring the point will not make it go away.
The gods were not needed for scientific advancements to happen. And are
conveniently ignored in light of the advances in science, medicine,
technology, and human advancement.
When all gods are ignored, or extinct, humans advance. Those wrapped in
the superstition of the dark ages, stagnate, and the gods hold sway. Our
own ignorant president wants to quash scientific advancement, except in a
destructive capacity.
Medical advances in family planning = bad
Bunker busting nuclear bombs = good
Using stem cells to treat conditions = bad
Missile defense systems = good
Having secular government = bad
Forcing your religion onto other countries = good
And strangely enough, his choices on what is good and what is bad, are
based on his belief in his mythical war god.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
Right on Rev
Hank
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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23 Oct 2004 04:43:24 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message news:<5t6l42-bi5.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message news:<i9cj42-e12.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message news:<87pt3dl5uo.fsf@drizzle.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial, but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
Never, not on this scale.
Science would have been the privelege of few initiates
Funny that you never see anyone thanking the gods for certain
advancements in science.
"Thank god for the internal combustion engine, and the green house gases
it produces."
"Thank god for the atomic bomb."
"Thank god for the genetically engineered foods that could feed
millions, if the gods were not in the way."
"Thank god for abortion, which has saved many thousands of womens lives."
"Thank god for prosthetics and bionics, for limbs the gods took anyway
in the holy wars."
Yeah, science would have gotten no where if were not for the gods.
Just look at the world around you, the barbarian world where cannibalism
polythiesm, idols worship are monnaie courante. Any scientific revolution
there?
Look the Arabian world from barbarian to intellectual achievement, they
had to convert to the Monotheism. You can not worship trees or cows
or sacred rivers and pretend to high scientific discovery.
Ignoring the point will not make it go away.
I answere the point as it should be answered.
The gods were not needed for scientific advancements to happen. And are
conveniently ignored in light of the advances in science, medicine,
technology, and human advancement.
I did not say the gods were needed as If there were many. I say One God
is needed and that is the God of Israel.
Without monothieism, there won't be any schientific advancement on this scale.
Prove me wrong by naming just one polytheistic or barbarian society
where science took root. Even individual Greecks had to get rid of their
superstition for the divine sparkle to enlighten them and put their
mind right for scientific inquiry
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| User: "Hank" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
28 Oct 2004 07:39:02 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0410231343.74780d12@posting.google.com...
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:<5t6l42-bi5.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:<i9cj42-e12.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:<87pt3dl5uo.fsf@drizzle.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer
god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian
cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their
collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific
discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial, but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The
scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
Never, not on this scale.
Science would have been the privelege of few initiates
Funny that you never see anyone thanking the gods for certain
advancements in science.
"Thank god for the internal combustion engine, and the green house
gases
it produces."
"Thank god for the atomic bomb."
"Thank god for the genetically engineered foods that could feed
millions, if the gods were not in the way."
"Thank god for abortion, which has saved many thousands of womens
lives."
"Thank god for prosthetics and bionics, for limbs the gods took anyway
in the holy wars."
Yeah, science would have gotten no where if were not for the gods.
Just look at the world around you, the barbarian world where
cannibalism
polythiesm, idols worship are monnaie courante. Any scientific
revolution
there?
Look the Arabian world from barbarian to intellectual achievement,
they
had to convert to the Monotheism. You can not worship trees or cows
or sacred rivers and pretend to high scientific discovery.
Ignoring the point will not make it go away.
I answere the point as it should be answered.
The gods were not needed for scientific advancements to happen. And are
conveniently ignored in light of the advances in science, medicine,
technology, and human advancement.
I did not say the gods were needed as If there were many. I say One God
is needed and that is the God of Israel.
Without monothieism, there won't be any schientific advancement on this
scale.
Prove me wrong by naming just one polytheistic or barbarian society
where science took root. Even individual Greecks had to get rid of their
superstition for the divine sparkle to enlighten them and put their
mind right for scientific inquiry
Christianity has not solved a single world problem in all of its history. In
fact it is responsible for great divisions between cultures and a lot of
wars. It's history is drenched in blood. The more educated a person is, the
less relgious they are. Religion has always been at odds with science.
Remember Gallileo?
Hank
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
30 Oct 2004 09:52:44 AM |
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"Hank" <hank@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Christianity has not solved a single world problem in all of its history. In
fact it is responsible for great divisions between cultures and a lot of
wars. It's history is drenched in blood. The more educated a person is, the
less relgious they are. Religion has always been at odds with science.
Remember Gallileo?
Sorry but you are confusing papal Catholicism with Christianity.
Even Galileo world view was informed by his catholicity, not by
confucianism , shintonism nor Hinduism.
Without Catholicism, we won't have Galileo.
Again Christianitny helped scientific achievement.
Hank
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| User: "Honkey Bill" |
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09 Nov 2004 06:00:02 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0410300652.67a82222@posting.google.com...
"Hank" <hank@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Christianity has not solved a single world problem in all of its history.
In
fact it is responsible for great divisions between cultures and a lot of
wars. It's history is drenched in blood. The more educated a person is,
the
less relgious they are. Religion has always been at odds with science.
Remember Gallileo?
Sorry but you are confusing papal Catholicism with Christianity.
Even Galileo world view was informed by his catholicity, not by
confucianism , shintonism nor Hinduism.
Without Catholicism, we won't have Galileo.
Again Christianitny helped scientific achievement.
Humans make discoveries and those discoveries are either accepted or
rejected by Christianity. Religion is a ball and chain around the neck of
science.
Honkey Bill
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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30 Oct 2004 01:18:20 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Hank" <hank@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Christianity has not solved a single world problem in all of its history.
In fact it is responsible for great divisions between cultures and a lot
of wars. It's history is drenched in blood. The more educated a person
is, the less relgious they are. Religion has always been at odds with
science. Remember Gallileo?
Sorry but you are confusing papal Catholicism with Christianity.
Even the protestants of that time likewise pronounced such
opinions as heresy.
Obscurantism was Christianity wide.
Still is, we have creationists by the millions.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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29 Oct 2004 04:07:31 PM |
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"Hank" <hank@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<10o48u7f3lsut0c@corp.supernews.com>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0410231343.74780d12@posting.google.com...
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:<5t6l42-bi5.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:<i9cj42-e12.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:<87pt3dl5uo.fsf@drizzle.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer
god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian
cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their
collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific
discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial, but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The
scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
Never, not on this scale.
Science would have been the privelege of few initiates
Funny that you never see anyone thanking the gods for certain
advancements in science.
"Thank god for the internal combustion engine, and the green house
gases
it produces."
"Thank god for the atomic bomb."
"Thank god for the genetically engineered foods that could feed
millions, if the gods were not in the way."
"Thank god for abortion, which has saved many thousands of womens
lives."
"Thank god for prosthetics and bionics, for limbs the gods took anyway
in the holy wars."
Yeah, science would have gotten no where if were not for the gods.
Just look at the world around you, the barbarian world where
cannibalism
polythiesm, idols worship are monnaie courante. Any scientific
revolution
there?
Look the Arabian world from barbarian to intellectual achievement,
they
had to convert to the Monotheism. You can not worship trees or cows
or sacred rivers and pretend to high scientific discovery.
Ignoring the point will not make it go away.
I answere the point as it should be answered.
The gods were not needed for scientific advancements to happen. And are
conveniently ignored in light of the advances in science, medicine,
technology, and human advancement.
I did not say the gods were needed as If there were many. I say One God
is needed and that is the God of Israel.
Without monothieism, there won't be any schientific advancement on this
scale.
Prove me wrong by naming just one polytheistic or barbarian society
where science took root. Even individual Greecks had to get rid of their
superstition for the divine sparkle to enlighten them and put their
mind right for scientific inquiry
Christianity has not solved a single world problem in all of its history. In
fact it is responsible for great divisions between cultures and a lot of
wars. It's history is drenched in blood. The more educated a person is, the
less relgious they are. Religion has always been at odds with science.
Remember Gallileo?
The New Convenant informed Scientific Inquiries and the best of the legal
systems in History. You are a clueless dumb
Hank
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| User: "Honkey Bill" |
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09 Nov 2004 05:57:12 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0410291307.2a78665a@posting.google.com...
"Hank" <hank@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<10o48u7f3lsut0c@corp.supernews.com>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer
god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
possible
gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian
cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their
collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific
discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial,
but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The
scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
Never, not on this scale.
Science would have been the privelege of few initiates
Funny that you never see anyone thanking the gods for certain
advancements in science.
"Thank god for the internal combustion engine, and the green house
gases
it produces."
"Thank god for the atomic bomb."
"Thank god for the genetically engineered foods that could feed
millions, if the gods were not in the way."
"Thank god for abortion, which has saved many thousands of womens
lives."
"Thank god for prosthetics and bionics, for limbs the gods took
anyway
in the holy wars."
Yeah, science would have gotten no where if were not for the gods.
Just look at the world around you, the barbarian world where
cannibalism
polythiesm, idols worship are monnaie courante. Any scientific
revolution
there?
Look the Arabian world from barbarian to intellectual achievement,
they
had to convert to the Monotheism. You can not worship trees or cows
or sacred rivers and pretend to high scientific discovery.
Ignoring the point will not make it go away.
I answere the point as it should be answered.
The gods were not needed for scientific advancements to happen. And
are
conveniently ignored in light of the advances in science, medicine,
technology, and human advancement.
I did not say the gods were needed as If there were many. I say One God
is needed and that is the God of Israel.
Without monothieism, there won't be any schientific advancement on this
scale.
Prove me wrong by naming just one polytheistic or barbarian society
where science took root. Even individual Greecks had to get rid of
their
superstition for the divine sparkle to enlighten them and put their
mind right for scientific inquiry
Christianity has not solved a single world problem in all of its history.
In
fact it is responsible for great divisions between cultures and a lot of
wars. It's history is drenched in blood. The more educated a person is,
the
less relgious they are. Religion has always been at odds with science.
Remember Gallileo?
The New Convenant informed Scientific Inquiries and the best of the legal
systems in History. You are a clueless dumb
Oh praise god for all the lawyers and Inquisitions, I mean inquiries.
Honkey Bill
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| User: "Mark Nutter" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
29 Oct 2004 05:33:00 PM |
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In article <bbba7302.0410291307.2a78665a@posting.google.com>,
(Not-easily-duped) wrote:
The New Convenant informed Scientific Inquiries and the best of the legal
systems in History. You are a clueless dumb
Would you care to give an example of a scientific inquiry, or legal
system, that was based on this "New Covenant" you refer to, along with
the specific part of the New Covenant that was the basis for this
inquiry or legal system?
Mark Nutter
manutter51@alethian.org
http://www.alethian.org/ -- Information about Alethea, the God even
Jesus had to obey, and about Alethian faith and practice.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
23 Oct 2004 05:14:03 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message news:<5t6l42-bi5.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message news:<i9cj42-e12.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message news:<87pt3dl5uo.fsf@drizzle.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) writes:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts
He came to clean the pagans world from polytheism, barbarian cultures
cannibalism, sacred prostitution and uncleanness and put their collective
soul back to light, as a result minds got ready for scientific discovery.
Oh, I don't know, the Greeks and Romans both had excellent
scientific progress for their periods. Almost all of it martial, but
still, excellent technological and rational development. The scientific
revolution would have happened without Christianity.
Elf
Never, not on this scale.
Science would have been the privelege of few initiates
Funny that you never see anyone thanking the gods for certain
advancements in science.
"Thank god for the internal combustion engine, and the green house gases
it produces."
"Thank god for the atomic bomb."
"Thank god for the genetically engineered foods that could feed
millions, if the gods were not in the way."
"Thank god for abortion, which has saved many thousands of womens lives."
"Thank god for prosthetics and bionics, for limbs the gods took anyway
in the holy wars."
Yeah, science would have gotten no where if were not for the gods.
Just look at the world around you, the barbarian world where cannibalism
polythiesm, idols worship are monnaie courante. Any scientific revolution
there?
Look the Arabian world from barbarian to intellectual achievement, they
had to convert to the Monotheism. You can not worship trees or cows
or sacred rivers and pretend to high scientific discovery.
Ignoring the point will not make it go away.
I answere the point as it should be answered.
The gods were not needed for scientific advancements to happen. And are
conveniently ignored in light of the advances in science, medicine,
technology, and human advancement.
I did not say the gods were needed as If there were many. I say One God
is needed and that is the God of Israel.
Without monothieism, there won't be any schientific advancement on this scale.
Prove me wrong by naming just one polytheistic or barbarian society
where science took root. Even individual Greecks had to get rid of their
superstition for the divine sparkle to enlighten them and put their
mind right for scientific inquiry
Funny, Japan is Shinto, and yet in many areas, they rival those that
follow the "gods of Israel". Inventive about it too.
Israel, on the other and, gets everything from us, France (Which gets
most everything from us), and Japan. Same to with the rest of the
middle east. And yet, they don't want democracy, some drugs and
vaccines that we have, and in countries where the "one god" ideology
holds sway, namely Africa, people are dying by the truck loads, for lack
of the goods that the secular USA and Japan have developed.
So much for that theory. Got another?
And no, you did not answer my point which is, why don't you thank god
for atomic weapons, medical procedures, (aka abortion), green house
gases from you car, dioxins in the water and ground, from the
manufacture of paper used to print useless little stories like the
bible, and the wonderful hydrocarbons, produced when electricity is
generated and stored, so you can use your computer?
After all, if you are going to give credit to a god for the other stuff,
you would not want to leave out what's listed above, now would you?
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
24 Oct 2004 01:06:13 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <> wrote in message
So much for that theory. Got another?
And no, you did not answer my point which is, why don't you thank god
for atomic weapons, medical procedures, (aka abortion), green house
gases from you car, dioxins in the water and ground, from the
manufacture of paper used to print useless little stories like the
bible, and the wonderful hydrocarbons, produced when electricity is
generated and stored, so you can use your computer?
God always illuminates the mind of people rgardless whether
you believe or not,
the fair use of the result depends on man.
Again no scientific advancement will be possible without a monotheistic
society. Barabarian can not think clearly.
THANKS GOD WE ARE ADVANCING TOWARD A BRIGHT CIVILIZATION
After all, if you are going to give credit to a god for the other stuff,
you would not want to leave out what's listed above, now would you?
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
24 Oct 2004 02:22:48 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message
So much for that theory. Got another?
And no, you did not answer my point which is, why don't you thank god
for atomic weapons, medical procedures, (aka abortion), green house
gases from you car, dioxins in the water and ground, from the
manufacture of paper used to print useless little stories like the
bible, and the wonderful hydrocarbons, produced when electricity is
generated and stored, so you can use your computer?
God always illuminates the mind of people rgardless whether
you believe or not,
the fair use of the result depends on man.
Again no scientific advancement will be possible without a monotheistic
society. Barabarian can not think clearly.
THANKS GOD WE ARE ADVANCING TOWARD A BRIGHT CIVILIZATION
"CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP"
Bravo Duped One. I have never before seen such an excellent display of
ducking the point, and weaving around the issues.
IOW's, you won't cuz it causes your house of cards to fall in on itself,
and shows your statement as the deluded pile of steaming crap that it is.
Thanks for clearing that up Oh Mighty Duped One.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
25 Oct 2004 10:35:52 AM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <> wrote in message news:<h1ct42-5ir.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message
So much for that theory. Got another?
And no, you did not answer my point which is, why don't you thank god
for atomic weapons, medical procedures, (aka abortion), green house
gases from you car, dioxins in the water and ground, from the
manufacture of paper used to print useless little stories like the
bible, and the wonderful hydrocarbons, produced when electricity is
generated and stored, so you can use your computer?
God always illuminates the mind of people rgardless whether
you believe or not,
the fair use of the result depends on man.
Again no scientific advancement will be possible without a monotheistic
society. Barabarian can not think clearly.
THANKS GOD WE ARE ADVANCING TOWARD A BRIGHT CIVILIZATION
"CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP"
Bravo Duped One. I have never before seen such an excellent display of
ducking the point, and weaving around the issues.
IOW's, you won't cuz it causes your house of cards to fall in on itself,
and shows your statement as the deluded pile of steaming crap that it is.
Thanks for clearing that up Oh Mighty Duped One.
ONE OF THE MISSIONS of Christ is to guide Civilization so that men may
come from darkeness to the light, AND LIVE in
harmony between their neighbors and God.
Of course without Christ there won't be a Civilization as we now
know it.
YOU ARE CLUELESS ABOUT IT BUT WHO EVER SAID YOU KNOW ANY BETTER?
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
25 Oct 2004 08:32:31 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message news:<h1ct42-5ir.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message
So much for that theory. Got another?
And no, you did not answer my point which is, why don't you thank god
for atomic weapons, medical procedures, (aka abortion), green house
gases from you car, dioxins in the water and ground, from the
manufacture of paper used to print useless little stories like the
bible, and the wonderful hydrocarbons, produced when electricity is
generated and stored, so you can use your computer?
God always illuminates the mind of people rgardless whether
you believe or not,
the fair use of the result depends on man.
Again no scientific advancement will be possible without a monotheistic
society. Barabarian can not think clearly.
THANKS GOD WE ARE ADVANCING TOWARD A BRIGHT CIVILIZATION
"CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP"
Bravo Duped One. I have never before seen such an excellent display of
ducking the point, and weaving around the issues.
IOW's, you won't cuz it causes your house of cards to fall in on itself,
and shows your statement as the deluded pile of steaming crap that it is.
Thanks for clearing that up Oh Mighty Duped One.
ONE OF THE MISSIONS of Christ is to guide Civilization so that men may
come from darkeness to the light, AND LIVE in
harmony between their neighbors and God.
Of course without Christ there won't be a Civilization as we now
know it.
YOU ARE CLUELESS ABOUT IT BUT WHO EVER SAID YOU KNOW ANY BETTER?
And as we can see by world history, that mission is a rousing success.
Why if it were not for different believers, killing different infidels,
all in the name of the same god, we'd have to cut down our world history
books by at least half.
But as it is, your savior on a sticks mission has worked so well, that
we just keep having these little old wars over who's god is the right
god, and who has the right dogma this year.
Again, duped one, thanks for play our game.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
26 Oct 2004 10:25:34 AM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <> wrote in message news:<13m052-l941.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message news:<h1ct42-5ir.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message
So much for that theory. Got another?
And no, you did not answer my point which is, why don't you thank god
for atomic weapons, medical procedures, (aka abortion), green house
gases from you car, dioxins in the water and ground, from the
manufacture of paper used to print useless little stories like the
bible, and the wonderful hydrocarbons, produced when electricity is
generated and stored, so you can use your computer?
God always illuminates the mind of people rgardless whether
you believe or not,
the fair use of the result depends on man.
Again no scientific advancement will be possible without a monotheistic
society. Barabarian can not think clearly.
THANKS GOD WE ARE ADVANCING TOWARD A BRIGHT CIVILIZATION
"CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP"
Bravo Duped One. I have never before seen such an excellent display of
ducking the point, and weaving around the issues.
IOW's, you won't cuz it causes your house of cards to fall in on itself,
and shows your statement as the deluded pile of steaming crap that it is.
Thanks for clearing that up Oh Mighty Duped One.
ONE OF THE MISSIONS of Christ is to guide Civilization so that men may
come from darkeness to the light, AND LIVE in
harmony between their neighbors and God.
Of course without Christ there won't be a Civilization as we now
know it.
YOU ARE CLUELESS ABOUT IT BUT WHO EVER SAID YOU KNOW ANY BETTER?
And as we can see by world history, that mission is a rousing success.
Why if it were not for different believers, killing different infidels,
all in the name of the same god, we'd have to cut down our world history
books by at least half.
The last judgement is there to settle who is wrong and who is right
not me
But as it is, your savior on a sticks mission has worked so well, that
we just keep having these little old wars over who's god is the right
god, and who has the right dogma this year.
Again, duped one, thanks for play our game.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Mark Nutter" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
26 Oct 2004 01:06:39 PM |
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In article <bbba7302.0410260725.b72f3c3@posting.google.com>,
(Not-easily-duped) wrote:
The last judgement is there to settle who is wrong and who is right
not me
That's what the pagan prophet Zoroaster taught. The Jews heard about
angels and devils and resurrection and judgment during the Babylonian
Captivity, when they were carried off to countries where Zoroastrianism
was widely believed. Those who incorporated Zoroastrian ideas into
Jewish theology became the group later known as the Pharisees; those
that refused to introduce these ideas into Mosaic worship became the
group later known as the Sadducees (Acts 23:6-8). Jesus appears to have
been quite familiar with the teachings of the Pharisees, even though he
had become quite hostile to them by the time of his public teaching. So
we can trace the doctrine of the Last Judgment from Jesus back to the
Pharisees, and from there back to the Jews in the Babylonian Captivity,
and ultimately back to Zoroaster himself--the pagan who first began
teaching this idea.
Interesting, is it not?
Mark Nutter
manutter51@alethian.org
http://www.alethian.org/ -- Information about Alethea, the God even
unbelievers experience, and about Alethian faith and practice.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Christ/Messiah Is The Detergent Of Societies And Cultures |
26 Oct 2004 09:05:35 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message news:<13m052-l941.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message news:<h1ct42-5ir.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message
So much for that theory. Got another?
And no, you did not answer my point which is, why don't you thank god
for atomic weapons, medical procedures, (aka abortion), green house
gases from you car, dioxins in the water and ground, from the
manufacture of paper used to print useless little stories like the
bible, and the wonderful hydrocarbons, produced when electricity is
generated and stored, so you can use your computer?
God always illuminates the mind of people rgardless whether
you believe or not,
the fair use of the result depends on man.
Again no scientific advancement will be possible without a monotheistic
society. Barabarian can not think clearly.
THANKS GOD WE ARE ADVANCING TOWARD A BRIGHT CIVILIZATION
"CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP"
Bravo Duped One. I have never before seen such an excellent display of
ducking the point, and weaving around the issues.
IOW's, you won't cuz it causes your house of cards to fall in on itself,
and shows your statement as the deluded pile of steaming crap that it is.
Thanks for clearing that up Oh Mighty Duped One.
ONE OF THE MISSIONS of Christ is to guide Civilization so that men may
come from darkeness to the light, AND LIVE in
harmony between their neighbors and God.
Of course without Christ there won't be a Civilization as we now
know it.
YOU ARE CLUELESS ABOUT IT BUT WHO EVER SAID YOU KNOW ANY BETTER?
And as we can see by world history, that mission is a rousing success.
Why if it were not for different believers, killing different infidels,
all in the name of the same god, we'd have to cut down our world history
books by at least half.
The last judgement is there to settle who is wrong and who is right
not me
Still dodging the point I see.
Oh well.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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Still dodging the point I see.
Oh well.
Point well answered....
You should judge the doctrines by themselves. Did you not say earlier
that you were trained to be a preacher?
Tell me where Paul did invite believers to kill those who don't?
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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27 Oct 2004 04:43:07 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
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Still dodging the point I see.
Oh well.
Point well answered....
You should judge the doctrines by themselves. Did you not say earlier
that you were trained to be a preacher?
Tell me where Paul did invite believers to kill those who don't?
Paul did not. But he is not the last authority on the issue, now is he.
However, your Jesus did. Or do you not read the bible either?
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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28 Oct 2004 11:25:10 AM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <> wrote in message news:<1dh552-fle1.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
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Still dodging the point I see.
Oh well.
Point well answered....
You should judge the doctrines by themselves. Did you not say earlier
that you were trained to be a preacher?
Tell me where Paul did invite believers to kill those who don't?
Paul did not. But he is not the last authority on the issue, now is he.
However, your Jesus did. Or do you not read the bible either?
Oh, yes He did. I remember He did say that If you enemy slap you
in your face, turn him your other chic. It this what you alluded to?
You are a child
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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28 Oct 2004 11:40:29 AM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <> wrote in message news:<1dh552-fle1.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
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Still dodging the point I see.
Oh well.
Point well answered....
You should judge the doctrines by themselves. Did you not say earlier
that you were trained to be a preacher?
Tell me where Paul did invite believers to kill those who don't?
Paul did not. But he is not the last authority on the issue, now is he.
However, your Jesus did. Or do you not read the bible either?
Paul spoke on behalf of Jesus as the Messiah/Christ of Israel. Why could he
possibly oppose something Jesus condone?
Come on you rational mind
explain this paradox... Maybe your mind is not that rational as you
thought it was. I am laughing at you.
Here is une piste d'enquete: You misread what people thought Jesus said.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
Same to with the rest of the
middle east. And yet, they don't want democracy, some drugs and
vaccines that we have, and in countries where the "one god" ideology
holds sway, namely Africa, people are dying by the truck loads, for lack
of the goods that the secular USA and Japan have developed.
As for the nations in the Middle Esat, a certain dogmatic and Arabian
propangandas kept them in the dark as they put the card before the horse.
This empedes their development. Remember the time when the Islamic nations
were in the front run of scientific enquiry, then came darkeness as they
tried to take the Messiah/Christ out of the equation and replace Him
with the Son of Amina, they now lag behind in everything. They had
to blame themselves.
Same for Africa where a strange branch of Islam is taught.
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