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"Thurston Phoremost" |
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10 Oct 2003 03:46:09 AM |
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The Commandments that God forgot. |
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087621/
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It's obviously too much to expect that a Bronze Age demagogue should
have remembered to condemn drug abuse, drunken driving, or offenses
against gender equality, or to demand prayer in the schools. Still, to
have left rape and child abuse and genocide and slavery out of the
account is to have been negligent to some degree, even by the lax
standards of the time. I wonder what would happen if secularists were
now to insist that the verses of the Bible that actually recommend
enslavement, mutilation, stoning, and mass murder of civilians be
incised on the walls of, say, public libraries? There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
27 Oct 2003 12:49:07 PM |
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On 10 Oct 2003 01:46:09 -0700, (Thurston >Phoremost) wrote:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087621/
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It's obviously too much to expect that a Bronze Age demagogue should
have remembered to condemn drug abuse, drunken driving, or offenses
against gender equality, or to demand prayer in the schools. Still, to
have left rape and child abuse and genocide and slavery out of the
account is to have been negligent to some degree, even by the lax
standards of the time. I wonder what would happen if secularists were
now to insist that the verses of the Bible that actually recommend
enslavement, mutilation, stoning, and mass murder of civilians be
incised on the walls of, say, public libraries? There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
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Hello,
There is no Bible command to 'burn witches', etc.
Also, if you have read your Bible, you will see that Christians are no
longer under the Mosaic Laws. Col 2:14,
"having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was
against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it
to the cross." (NIV)
Sincerely, James
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
27 Oct 2003 11:04:38 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:49:07 -0500, James <voja@surfbest.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
Also, if you have read your Bible, you will see that Christians are no
longer under the Mosaic Laws. Col 2:14,
They are as long as heaven and Earth abide. I don't know about heaven
(well, actually I do, but it's irrelevant), but Earth is still here.
--
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
28 Oct 2003 06:32:33 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:49:07 -0500, James <voja@surfbest.net>, Message
ID: <krlqpv00qdo1jhn172ejmknpluak6mpa03@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 10 Oct 2003 01:46:09 -0700, (Thurston >Phoremost) wrote:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087621/
...
It's obviously too much to expect that a Bronze Age demagogue should
have remembered to condemn drug abuse, drunken driving, or offenses
against gender equality, or to demand prayer in the schools. Still, to
have left rape and child abuse and genocide and slavery out of the
account is to have been negligent to some degree, even by the lax
standards of the time. I wonder what would happen if secularists were
now to insist that the verses of the Bible that actually recommend
enslavement, mutilation, stoning, and mass murder of civilians be
incised on the walls of, say, public libraries? There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
...
Hello,
There is no Bible command to 'burn witches', etc.
How unsurprising that a xtian does not know their own Bible.
Exodus 22 (kjv)
18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Also, if you have read your Bible, you will see that Christians are no
longer under the Mosaic Laws. Col 2:14,
"having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was
against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it
to the cross." (NIV)
Matthew 5 (kjv)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am
not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called
great in the kingdom of heaven.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
10 Oct 2003 05:13:31 PM |
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On 10 Oct 2003 01:46:09 -0700, (Thurston
Phoremost) wrote:
There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
Actually there are only 10, plus the new command given by Christ.
The rest are man-made.
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| User: "Maverick" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
10 Oct 2003 06:51:12 PM |
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10/11/2003, around 12:13:31 AM, duke wrote:
On 10 Oct 2003 01:46:09 -0700,
(Thurston Phoremost) wrote:
There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day
when Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the
ox-goring and witch-burning ones.
Actually there are only 10, plus the new command given by Christ.
The rest are man-made.
They are all man-made.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
10 Oct 2003 10:56:34 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:13:31 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On 10 Oct 2003 01:46:09 -0700, (Thurston
Phoremost) wrote:
There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
Actually there are only 10
Typical Christian. Read Leviticus.
--
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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| User: "Doug Semler" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
11 Oct 2003 04:23:15 AM |
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In news:6rveov0c637sh16366dkv444taqsotefac@Pern.rk,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> slavered, and posted this:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:13:31 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On 10 Oct 2003 01:46:09 -0700, (Thurston
Phoremost) wrote:
There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
Actually there are only 10
Typical Christian. Read Leviticus.
<sarcasm>
"I'm a Christian, which means I spend my time in the New Testament, because
the Old Covenant has been fulfilled, and therefore the rules no longer
apply."
</sarcasm>
--
Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
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| User: "Kenneth Doyle" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
11 Oct 2003 04:30:07 AM |
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"Doug Semler" <doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote in
news:CfydnQxQbP6eURqiU-KYuQ@wideopenwest.com:
In news:6rveov0c637sh16366dkv444taqsotefac@Pern.rk,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> slavered, and posted this:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:13:31 -0500, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
On 10 Oct 2003 01:46:09 -0700,
thurston_phoremost@hotmail.com (Thurston Phoremost)
wrote:
There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live
for the day when Americans are obliged to observe all of
them, including the ox-goring and witch-burning ones.
Actually there are only 10
Typical Christian. Read Leviticus.
<sarcasm>
"I'm a Christian, which means I spend my time in the New
Testament, because the Old Covenant has been fulfilled, and
therefore the rules no longer apply."
</sarcasm>
<more sarcasm>
It is, of course, a divine mystery that the old testament rules
no longer apply, but at the same time are more strictly to be
applied (Jesus says that merely to desire a woman is adultery
and that to hate a man is equivalent to his murder).
</more sarcasm>
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
11 Oct 2003 11:41:22 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 05:23:15 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> posted in alt.atheism:
<sarcasm>
"I'm a Christian, which means I spend my time in the New Testament, because
the Old Covenant has been fulfilled, and therefore the rules no longer
apply."
</sarcasm>
<further sarcasm>
Unless there's a Levitical Law I want to use against someone, in which
case that law *does* apply.
</further sarcasm>
--
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
12 Oct 2003 02:10:11 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 05:23:15 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
Actually there are only 10
Typical Christian. Read Leviticus.
<sarcasm>
"I'm a Christian, which means I spend my time in the New Testament, because
the Old Covenant has been fulfilled, and therefore the rules no longer
apply."
</sarcasm>
Hebrews 8
7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would
have been sought for another. 8But God found fault with the people and said[1] :
"The time is coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
9It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.
10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."[2]
13By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what
is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
12 Oct 2003 02:07:37 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:56:34 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:13:31 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On 10 Oct 2003 01:46:09 -0700, (Thurston
Phoremost) wrote:
There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
Actually there are only 10
Typical Christian. Read Leviticus.
Manmade.
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| User: "Doug Semler" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
12 Oct 2003 05:37:46 PM |
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In news:fj9jov4ok79p7rpv9n0go850i7c8u97gp6@4ax.com,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> slavered, and posted this:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:56:34 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:13:31 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On 10 Oct 2003 01:46:09 -0700, (Thurston
Phoremost) wrote:
There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
Actually there are only 10
Typical Christian. Read Leviticus.
Manmade.
Have you actually read Leviticus? It is *full* of, "The LORD said to Moses,
'Tell the Isrealites that such-and-such is to be done.'"
They are therefore, COMMANDS from your god.
--
Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
42
DNRC o-
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erpbtavmrf fvzcyr guvatf yvxr ebg13 nalzber. Fnq, vfa'g vg?
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| User: "duke" |
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14 Oct 2003 11:00:38 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:37:46 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
Actually there are only 10
Typical Christian. Read Leviticus.
Manmade.
Have you actually read Leviticus? It is *full* of, "The LORD said to Moses,
'Tell the Isrealites that such-and-such is to be done.'"
They are therefore, COMMANDS from your god.
Manmade. Tossed as described in Hebrews 8:7-13.
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| User: "Doug Semler" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
18 Oct 2003 10:32:02 AM |
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In news:ob7oov4rlsjorkrdgm6gvgkb53g5emgje0@4ax.com,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> slavered, and posted this:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:37:46 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
Actually there are only 10
Typical Christian. Read Leviticus.
Manmade.
Have you actually read Leviticus? It is *full* of, "The LORD said to
Moses, 'Tell the Isrealites that such-and-such is to be done.'"
They are therefore, COMMANDS from your god.
Manmade. Tossed as described in Hebrews 8:7-13.
Problem is, the Church doesn't consider it to be tossed.
--
Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
42
DNRC o-
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erpbtavmrf fvzcyr guvatf yvxr ebg13 nalzber. Fnq, vfa'g vg?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
18 Oct 2003 12:26:39 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:32:02 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
Have you actually read Leviticus? It is *full* of, "The LORD said to
Moses, 'Tell the Isrealites that such-and-such is to be done.'"
They are therefore, COMMANDS from your god.
Manmade. Tossed as described in Hebrews 8:7-13.
Problem is, the Church doesn't consider it to be tossed.
Per Hebrews 8:7-13, even Jesus acknowledged they meant nothing.
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| User: "Doug Semler" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
18 Oct 2003 12:40:32 PM |
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In news:lst2pv09cshq0s4vgm34badcumgvbq0tlt@4ax.com,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> slavered, and posted this:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:32:02 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
Have you actually read Leviticus? It is *full* of, "The LORD said to
Moses, 'Tell the Isrealites that such-and-such is to be done.'"
They are therefore, COMMANDS from your god.
Manmade. Tossed as described in Hebrews 8:7-13.
Problem is, the Church doesn't consider it to be tossed.
Per Hebrews 8:7-13, even Jesus acknowledged they meant nothing.
And, as has been quoted to you more than once, from the Catechism of the
Catholic Church, the Church itself doesn't consider the old covenant to be
tossed.
Jesus couldn't have acknowledged anything in Hebrews, Jesus was long gone by
the time Hebrews was written.
--
Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
42
DNRC o-
Gur Hfrarg unf orpbzr fb shyy bs penc gurfr qnlf, uneqyl nalbar rira
erpbtavmrf fvzcyr guvatf yvxr ebg13 nalzber. Fnq, vfa'g vg?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
12 Oct 2003 07:14:23 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:07:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:56:34 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:13:31 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On 10 Oct 2003 01:46:09 -0700, (Thurston
Phoremost) wrote:
There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
Actually there are only 10
Typical Christian. Read Leviticus.
Manmade.
Yes, the bible is manmade. What's your point?
--
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: The Commandments that God forgot. |
10 Oct 2003 09:14:38 AM |
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Thurston Phoremost wrote:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087621/
...
It's obviously too much to expect that a Bronze Age demagogue should
have remembered to condemn drug abuse, drunken driving, or offenses
against gender equality, or to demand prayer in the schools. Still, to
have left rape and child abuse and genocide and slavery out of the
account is to have been negligent to some degree, even by the lax
standards of the time. I wonder what would happen if secularists were
now to insist that the verses of the Bible that actually recommend
enslavement, mutilation, stoning, and mass murder of civilians be
incised on the walls of, say, public libraries? There are many more
than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when
Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring
and witch-burning ones.
...
That one deserves a bookmark :-)
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
Is your faith so weak and your god so powerless
that, without government endorsement of your
religion, all hell will break loose?
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