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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Elroy Willis"
Date: 28 May 2007 07:04:59 AM
Object: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU
Boy oh boy...
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User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 03 Jun 2007 02:55:25 PM
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...

Geezuz. The depth of dumbass in this flick is incredible.
Could he have gotten any more slippery-slope than that?
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User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 03 Jun 2007 04:59:09 PM
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...


Geezuz. The depth of dumbass in this flick is incredible.

Could he have gotten any more slippery-slope than that?

These lazy Christians obviously are not doing a very good
job of teaching their kids their own values at home or at
church, if they are turning out so badly. They simply want
the schools to do what they are too lazy to do themselves.
What they are telling us is that, as parents, they are lazy
and irresponsible and want to push their own failings
onto an underfunded school system that, Constitutionally,
is not supposed to teach religion. Oh, and did I
remember to mention that such fundy bleaters are LAZY
as hell and responsible for how their own kids turn out.
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wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis


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User: "johac"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 04 Jun 2007 01:54:28 AM
In article <TKKdncB0hoAwpP7bnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...


Geezuz. The depth of dumbass in this flick is incredible.

Could he have gotten any more slippery-slope than that?


These lazy Christians obviously are not doing a very good
job of teaching their kids their own values at home or at
church, if they are turning out so badly. They simply want
the schools to do what they are too lazy to do themselves.
What they are telling us is that, as parents, they are lazy
and irresponsible and want to push their own failings
onto an underfunded school system that, Constitutionally,
is not supposed to teach religion. Oh, and did I
remember to mention that such fundy bleaters are LAZY
as hell and responsible for how their own kids turn out.

They want to have the government tell the schools to teach religion to
their kids. They want the government to tell us what we can or can't
watch on television or download from the internet. They want the
government to tell us what we can and can't do in the privacy of our own
bedrooms. They want the government to tell women what they can and can't
do with their own bodies in a doctor's office. They want the government
to tell us what we can or can't ask our doctors to do when we are dying
and suffering indescribable excruciating pain.
Then the hypocrites turn around and scream: "Get the government off of
our backs!" "Big Government is ruining everything".
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 04 Jun 2007 03:12:04 AM
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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In article <TKKdncB0hoAwpP7bnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...


Geezuz. The depth of dumbass in this flick is incredible.

Could he have gotten any more slippery-slope than that?


These lazy Christians obviously are not doing a very good
job of teaching their kids their own values at home or at
church, if they are turning out so badly. They simply want
the schools to do what they are too lazy to do themselves.
What they are telling us is that, as parents, they are lazy
and irresponsible and want to push their own failings
onto an underfunded school system that, Constitutionally,
is not supposed to teach religion. Oh, and did I
remember to mention that such fundy bleaters are LAZY
as hell and responsible for how their own kids turn out.


They want to have the government tell the schools to teach religion to
their kids. They want the government to tell us what we can or can't
watch on television or download from the internet. They want the
government to tell us what we can and can't do in the privacy of our own
bedrooms. They want the government to tell women what they can and can't
do with their own bodies in a doctor's office. They want the government
to tell us what we can or can't ask our doctors to do when we are dying
and suffering indescribable excruciating pain.

Then the hypocrites turn around and scream: "Get the government off of
our backs!" "Big Government is ruining everything".

When has hypocricy ever stopped a religious fanatic?
Contradictions in what they say and do don't stop them,
either. Their religion teaches them to lie and deceive
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis

--
John #1782

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User: "johac"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 04 Jun 2007 06:33:41 PM
In article <zN2dnQzQpMvJVP7bnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...


Geezuz. The depth of dumbass in this flick is incredible.

Could he have gotten any more slippery-slope than that?


These lazy Christians obviously are not doing a very good
job of teaching their kids their own values at home or at
church, if they are turning out so badly. They simply want
the schools to do what they are too lazy to do themselves.
What they are telling us is that, as parents, they are lazy
and irresponsible and want to push their own failings
onto an underfunded school system that, Constitutionally,
is not supposed to teach religion. Oh, and did I
remember to mention that such fundy bleaters are LAZY
as hell and responsible for how their own kids turn out.


They want to have the government tell the schools to teach religion to
their kids. They want the government to tell us what we can or can't
watch on television or download from the internet. They want the
government to tell us what we can and can't do in the privacy of our own
bedrooms. They want the government to tell women what they can and can't
do with their own bodies in a doctor's office. They want the government
to tell us what we can or can't ask our doctors to do when we are dying
and suffering indescribable excruciating pain.

Then the hypocrites turn around and scream: "Get the government off of
our backs!" "Big Government is ruining everything".


When has hypocricy ever stopped a religious fanatic?

Never to my knowledge. They seem to thrive on it.

Contradictions in what they say and do don't stop them,
either. Their religion teaches them to lie and deceive

Lying for Jesus makes it OK. Bleah!
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.





User: "Meteorite Debris"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 30 May 2007 09:02:32 PM
Last time that great scribe Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>
chipped away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...


Gawd can't even stand up to school bullys. How omnipotent is that?
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User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 28 May 2007 10:26:15 AM
On May 28, 1:04 pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...

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"And we said 'It's just entertainment, and it has no adverse effect
anyway' ". Has this idiot read the Bible?
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User: "Sgeo"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 28 May 2007 04:05:39 PM
On May 28, 8:04 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...

--
Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com

So if a secular authority decides that God is not allowed, God is
powerless? What an oh-so-powerful God! The Bible also says to kill
those who disobey the commandments (the commandments are not the
pinnacle of morality).
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User: "Darrell Stec"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 28 May 2007 07:00:35 PM
Sgeo wrote:

On May 28, 8:04 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...

--
Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com


So if a secular authority decides that God is not allowed, God is
powerless? What an oh-so-powerful God! The Bible also says to kill
those who disobey the commandments (the commandments are not the
pinnacle of morality).

Especially since Christians always quote the wrong list of commandments as
the 10 Commandments.
Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?
--
Later,
Darrell Stec

Webpage Sorcery
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User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 29 May 2007 01:51:53 PM
Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Sgeo wrote:

Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU
Boy oh boy...

So if a secular authority decides that God is not allowed, God is
powerless? What an oh-so-powerful God! The Bible also says to kill
those who disobey the commandments (the commandments are not the
pinnacle of morality).

Especially since Christians always quote the wrong list of commandments
as the 10 Commandments.

Most of them ignore the one about no idols, since the Protestants need
their cross idol and the Catholics need their bloody saviour stuck to
it as an idol, as well as all the images of Jesus and Mary.

Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?

One Muslim fellow told me that commandment is actually about not
allowing a mother to have control over children past a certain age,
or allowing them to "boil" in her control, so to speak.
I dunno if he was pulling my leg, but it was the first I'd heard of it
not being some kind of dietary law about mixing milk and meat, like
on a cheeseburger or in beef stroganoff, etc.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 29 May 2007 02:41:54 PM
In <i3to53hvv7esuv6acf0qu2063jf4u7o6i3@4ax.com>, on 05/29/07
at 01:51 PM, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:

Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Sgeo wrote:

Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

snip

Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?

Giving a sacrifice to the senior god[ & possibly their population] of
the area, baal.

One Muslim fellow told me that commandment is actually about not
allowing a mother to have control over children past a certain age, or
allowing them to "boil" in her control, so to speak.

Nope, but they may believe that. It was a sacrificial rite used in the
worship of baal. many of the do nots were aimed at reinforcing the
misconception that the Judeans were different from the other Canaanite
tribes.

I dunno if he was pulling my leg, but it was the first I'd heard of it
not being some kind of dietary law about mixing milk and meat, like on
a cheeseburger or in beef stroganoff, etc.

Then you heard wrong as well, but then, so had I.
If you want to see how the OT writings were manipulated, in one series
of events, try Israel's beneficient Dead, ISBN 1575060086
If you can, get it through the local library. Their funding depends on
usage & number of members. Then buy it if you think its worth the money.
BTW, it's a thesis & well documented.
walksalone who may be telling on himself, but knowledge, like beauty &
laughter is worthless until it's shared.
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 29 May 2007 04:00:31 PM
wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:

Darrell Stec wrote in alt.atheism

Sgeo wrote:
Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?

Giving a sacrifice to the senior god[ & possibly their population] of
the area, baal.

Do you know if it was a communal meal, or just something the priests
boiled up in their private cauldrons, behind the temple walls and
curtains?

One Muslim fellow told me that commandment is actually about not
allowing a mother to have control over children past a certain age, or
allowing them to "boil" in her control, so to speak.

Nope, but they may believe that. It was a sacrificial rite used in the
worship of baal. many of the do nots were aimed at reinforcing the
misconception that the Judeans were different from the other Canaanite
tribes.

Do you know if Muslims have the same phobia of mixing meat and dairy
products as the Jews, these days? I know they both won't eat pork,
but I wasn't sure about the dairy and meat thing for Muslims.

I dunno if he was pulling my leg, but it was the first I'd heard of it
not being some kind of dietary law about mixing milk and meat, like on
a cheeseburger or in beef stroganoff, etc.

Then you heard wrong as well, but then, so had I.

It's hard to know who to believe, actually, when it comes to such
things. One group says it's a dietary law, and another says it's
something else. The Jews certainly have taken it to the extreme, if
you ask me...

If you want to see how the OT writings were manipulated, in one series
of events, try Israel's beneficient Dead, ISBN 1575060086
If you can, get it through the local library. Their funding depends on
usage & number of members. Then buy it if you think its worth the money.
BTW, it's a thesis & well documented.
walksalone who may be telling on himself, but knowledge, like beauty &
laughter is worthless until it's shared.

I've been catching bits and pieces about Baal from different online
articles and TV documentaries lately, and from what I've learned, Baal
is just another god some of the ancient Jews used to worship and call
their god.
It was actually a good god to many Jews, but a bad god to other Jews.
I count at least three different gods the Jews have worshipped in
their pretended "monotheistic" history, don't you?
EL, YHVH, BAAL...
Did you know that Hannibal means "Grace of Baal?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Darrell Stec"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 29 May 2007 09:41:14 PM
Elroy Willis wrote:

walksalone@the.ritz wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:

Darrell Stec wrote in alt.atheism

Sgeo wrote:


Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?


Giving a sacrifice to the senior god[ & possibly their population] of
the area, baal.


Do you know if it was a communal meal, or just something the priests
boiled up in their private cauldrons, behind the temple walls and
curtains?

One Muslim fellow told me that commandment is actually about not
allowing a mother to have control over children past a certain age, or
allowing them to "boil" in her control, so to speak.


Nope, but they may believe that. It was a sacrificial rite used in the
worship of baal. many of the do nots were aimed at reinforcing the
misconception that the Judeans were different from the other Canaanite
tribes.


Do you know if Muslims have the same phobia of mixing meat and dairy
products as the Jews, these days? I know they both won't eat pork,
but I wasn't sure about the dairy and meat thing for Muslims.

Remember that Mohammed created his religion by taking parts of Judaism,
Christianity and Persian Zorastrianism. However there is archaeological
evidence that the Hebrews surrounding neighbors, Arabs, raised pigs. So
the Moslem injunction is more modern than the 10 Commandments.

I dunno if he was pulling my leg, but it was the first I'd heard of it
not being some kind of dietary law about mixing milk and meat, like on
a cheeseburger or in beef stroganoff, etc.


Then you heard wrong as well, but then, so had I.


It's hard to know who to believe, actually, when it comes to such
things. One group says it's a dietary law, and another says it's
something else. The Jews certainly have taken it to the extreme, if
you ask me...

The adopted all kinds of rules and rituals to make themselves different from
surrounding cultures. Today we try to rationalize things that do not make
sense to us. One of the most common examples is the saying about a camel
going through a needle's eye. It just does not make sense so we try to
rationalize the saying. So there is the proposal that Joshua was talking
about a gate in Jerusalem. However in reading the various gospels the
Greek varies. In Luke the word used means surgical needle. I wrote a
detailed post on this a few years back on this newsgroup.

If you want to see how the OT writings were manipulated, in one series
of events, try Israel's beneficient Dead, ISBN 1575060086
If you can, get it through the local library. Their funding depends on
usage & number of members. Then buy it if you think its worth the money.


BTW, it's a thesis & well documented.


walksalone who may be telling on himself, but knowledge, like beauty &
laughter is worthless until it's shared.


I've been catching bits and pieces about Baal from different online
articles and TV documentaries lately, and from what I've learned, Baal
is just another god some of the ancient Jews used to worship and call
their god.

It was actually a good god to many Jews, but a bad god to other Jews.

I count at least three different gods the Jews have worshipped in
their pretended "monotheistic" history, don't you?

EL, YHVH, BAAL...

Did you know that Hannibal means "Grace of Baal?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal

--
Later,
Darrell Stec

Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
.
User: "skyeyes"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 30 May 2007 11:51:14 AM
On May 29, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
wrote:

Remember that Mohammed created his religion by taking parts of Judaism,
Christianity and Persian Zorastrianism. However there is archaeological
evidence that the Hebrews surrounding neighbors, Arabs, raised pigs. So
the Moslem injunction is more modern than the 10 Commandments.

There is evidence that pigs were totem animals in the land of Canaan,
and the prohibition against eating pork probably stemmed from the
injunction against eating totem animals. In addition, the pig was a
totem animal of the goddess, thus making it doubly forbidden to the
intensely patriarchal "women-are-nothing-but-chattel"-believing early
Hebrews.
Mohammed, or course, cribbed his injunction against pork directly from
Hebrew scripture. According to Ibn Warraq's book, _Why I Am Not a
Muslim_, Mohammed hung around with Jewish scholars quite a bit.
That's probably where he got the "don't eat pork" thing.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
.


User: ""

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 29 May 2007 09:13:29 PM
In <6q1p539dm5vg92s2i6fvvtja7bsu1t61pt@4ax.com>, on 05/29/07
at 04:00 PM, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:

walksalone@the.ritz wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:

Darrell Stec wrote in alt.atheism

Sgeo wrote:
Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?

Giving a sacrifice to the senior god[ & possibly their population] of
the area, baal.

Do you know if it was a communal meal, or just something the priests
boiled up in their private cauldrons, behind the temple walls and
curtains?

<raises left eyebrow precisely .0000005 picometers> <Extends right paw &
gently pins Elroy in place>
Pay attention grasshopper, the dance will be quick.
It was a sacrifice to the god himself. Otherwise, the Judaic mythology
would not have made a big deal out of it.

One Muslim fellow told me that commandment is actually about not

allowing a mother to have control over children past a certain age, or
allowing them to "boil" in her control, so to speak.

Nope, but they may believe that. It was a sacrificial rite used in the
worship of baal. many of the do nots were aimed at reinforcing the
misconception that the Judeans were different from the other Canaanite
tribes.

Do you know if Muslims have the same phobia of mixing meat and dairy
products as the Jews, these days? I know they both won't eat pork, but
I wasn't sure about the dairy and meat thing for Muslims.

Can't say, don't care.

I dunno if he was pulling my leg, but it was the first I'd heard of it
not being some kind of dietary law about mixing milk and meat, like on
a cheeseburger or in beef stroganoff, etc.

Then you heard wrong as well, but then, so had I.

It's hard to know who to believe, actually, when it comes to such
things. One group says it's a dietary law, and another says it's
something else. The Jews certainly have taken it to the extreme, if
you ask me...

What you have to do, if you are sincerely interested, is the basic
research. You start out with finding out why certain deities were held
in such dismaying that every time they turn around they were boo hooing
about people worshiping them. Rule of Tom, in the Hebrew Bible, when
any god is receiving the badmouth routine, it's because Judeans are
worshiping that god. As late as the book of Hosea, contained references
to the worship of baal being invoked as well as the claim that yahweh
had really been baal all along.

If you want to see how the OT writings were manipulated, in one series
of events, try Israel's beneficient Dead, ISBN 1575060086
If you can, get it through the local library. Their funding depends on
usage & number of members. Then buy it if you think its worth the money.
BTW, it's a thesis & well documented.
walksalone who may be telling on himself, but knowledge, like beauty &
laughter is worthless until it's shared.

I've been catching bits and pieces about Baal from different online
articles and TV documentaries lately, and from what I've learned, Baal
is just another god some of the ancient Jews used to worship and call
their god.

They were polytheistic to start with, but then, to start with they were
a portion of the Canaanite society that got their nose out of joint and
assumed they were better than anybody else. Of course, during that era,
that was a fairly routine attitude.

It was actually a good god to many Jews, but a bad god to other Jews.

It was a good god to all of Canaan because it was a god of rain and
associated with the fertility of the crops. This was something that
priesthood had not yet got around to claiming on behalf of yahweh.

I count at least three different gods the Jews have worshipped in their
pretended "monotheistic" history, don't you?
EL, YHVH, BAAL...

Why did you capitalize those names, they were not capitalized during the
time they were in use.

Did you know that Hannibal means "Grace of Baal?"

& Gideon had the original name called "my family serves baal" it was
quite common during that era for gods names to be incorporated into
personal names.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal

Now, little chatterbox, is there anything else on your mind prior to my
return to my den?
</Extends right paw & gently pins Elroy in place>
walksalone who does not mind sharing this type of information, after
all, not everyone has his curiosities.
If, in any culture, children are taught, 'We are all equally unworthy
in the sight of God'
If, in any culture, children are taught, 'You are born in sin and are
sinful by nature'
If children are given a message that amounts to 'Don't think, don't
question, *believe*'
If children are given a message that amounts to 'Who are you to place
your mind above that of the priest, the minister, the rabbi?'
If children are told, 'If you have value it is not because of anything
you have done or could ever do, it is only because God loves you'
If children are told, 'Submission to what you cannot understand is the
beginning of morality'
If children are instructed, 'Do not be willful, self-assertiveness is
the sin of pride'
If children are instructed, 'Never think that you belong to yourself'
If children are informed, 'In any clash between your judgement and that
of your religious authorities, it is your authorities you must believe',
If children are informed, 'Self-sacrifice is the foremost
virtue and the noblest duty'
then *consider what will be the likely consequences for the practice of
living consciously, or the practice of self-assertiveness, or any of the
other pillars of healthy self-esteem*.
[Nathaniel Branden, The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem ,
Bantam Books, (New York, 1994), p. 295-296]
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 30 May 2007 08:00:35 AM
wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:

wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:

Darrell Stec wrote in alt.atheism

Sgeo wrote:
Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?

Giving a sacrifice to the senior god[ & possibly their population] of
the area, baal.

Do you know if it was a communal meal, or just something the priests
boiled up in their private cauldrons, behind the temple walls and
curtains?

<raises left eyebrow precisely .0000005 picometers> <Extends right paw &
gently pins Elroy in place>
Pay attention grasshopper, the dance will be quick.
It was a sacrifice to the god himself. Otherwise, the Judaic mythology
would not have made a big deal out of it.

Not all animal sacrifices were just burned up on fires, totally
wasted, in case you didn't know. People ate some of it during
the sacrificial feasts after the priests had blessed it and
slaughtered it and sprinkled its blood around the altar.
I think I remember reading a prohibition against eating the meat of
any animal that was blessed by a priest of baal somewhere.

I dunno if he was pulling my leg, but it was the first I'd heard of it
not being some kind of dietary law about mixing milk and meat, like on
a cheeseburger or in beef stroganoff, etc.

Then you heard wrong as well, but then, so had I.

It's hard to know who to believe, actually, when it comes to such
things. One group says it's a dietary law, and another says it's
something else. The Jews certainly have taken it to the extreme, if
you ask me...

What you have to do, if you are sincerely interested, is the basic
research. You start out with finding out why certain deities were held
in such dismaying that every time they turn around they were boo hooing
about people worshiping them. Rule of Tom, in the Hebrew Bible, when
any god is receiving the badmouth routine, it's because Judeans are
worshiping that god. As late as the book of Hosea, contained references
to the worship of baal being invoked as well as the claim that yahweh
had really been baal all along.

Then there's Jezebel, Queen of Israel, whose name means "Virgin of
Baal" according to some people, and "***** of Baal" according to
others. Either way, she was queen of the Israelites, so it's clear
that some or even many ancient Jews worshipped Baal along with her.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 29 May 2007 09:19:49 PM
On Tue, 29 May 2007 21:13:29 -0500, in alt.atheism ,
walksalone@the.ritz in <465cddcb$1$jnyxfnybar$mr2ice@news.datemas.de>
wrote:

In <6q1p539dm5vg92s2i6fvvtja7bsu1t61pt@4ax.com>, on 05/29/07
at 04:00 PM, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:



walksalone@the.ritz wrote in alt.atheism


Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:

Darrell Stec wrote in alt.atheism

Sgeo wrote:


Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?


Giving a sacrifice to the senior god[ & possibly their population] of
the area, baal.


Do you know if it was a communal meal, or just something the priests
boiled up in their private cauldrons, behind the temple walls and
curtains?


<raises left eyebrow precisely .0000005 picometers> <Extends right paw &
gently pins Elroy in place>

Pay attention grasshopper, the dance will be quick.
It was a sacrifice to the god himself. Otherwise, the Judaic mythology
would not have made a big deal out of it.

I am not sure about that. Sometimes, I suspect, that things get
repeated just because they left in various versions. The big deal part
then comes later when they look for significance of the repetition.

One Muslim fellow told me that commandment is actually about not

allowing a mother to have control over children past a certain age, or
allowing them to "boil" in her control, so to speak.


Nope, but they may believe that. It was a sacrificial rite used in the
worship of baal. many of the do nots were aimed at reinforcing the
misconception that the Judeans were different from the other Canaanite
tribes.


Do you know if Muslims have the same phobia of mixing meat and dairy
products as the Jews, these days? I know they both won't eat pork, but
I wasn't sure about the dairy and meat thing for Muslims.


Can't say, don't care.

I dunno if he was pulling my leg, but it was the first I'd heard of it
not being some kind of dietary law about mixing milk and meat, like on
a cheeseburger or in beef stroganoff, etc.


Then you heard wrong as well, but then, so had I.


It's hard to know who to believe, actually, when it comes to such
things. One group says it's a dietary law, and another says it's
something else. The Jews certainly have taken it to the extreme, if
you ask me...


What you have to do, if you are sincerely interested, is the basic
research. You start out with finding out why certain deities were held
in such dismaying that every time they turn around they were boo hooing
about people worshiping them. Rule of Tom, in the Hebrew Bible, when
any god is receiving the badmouth routine, it's because Judeans are
worshiping that god. As late as the book of Hosea, contained references
to the worship of baal being invoked as well as the claim that yahweh
had really been baal all along.

If you want to see how the OT writings were manipulated, in one series
of events, try Israel's beneficient Dead, ISBN 1575060086
If you can, get it through the local library. Their funding depends on
usage & number of members. Then buy it if you think its worth the money.


BTW, it's a thesis & well documented.


walksalone who may be telling on himself, but knowledge, like beauty &
laughter is worthless until it's shared.


I've been catching bits and pieces about Baal from different online
articles and TV documentaries lately, and from what I've learned, Baal
is just another god some of the ancient Jews used to worship and call
their god.


They were polytheistic to start with, but then, to start with they were
a portion of the Canaanite society that got their nose out of joint and
assumed they were better than anybody else. Of course, during that era,
that was a fairly routine attitude.

As opposed to when? Seems to me that the view that "we'uns are better
than them'uns" is a pretty universal.

It was actually a good god to many Jews, but a bad god to other Jews.


It was a good god to all of Canaan because it was a god of rain and
associated with the fertility of the crops. This was something that
priesthood had not yet got around to claiming on behalf of yahweh.

I count at least three different gods the Jews have worshipped in their
pretended "monotheistic" history, don't you?


EL, YHVH, BAAL...


Why did you capitalize those names, they were not capitalized during the
time they were in use.

Did you know that Hannibal means "Grace of Baal?"


& Gideon had the original name called "my family serves baal" it was
quite common during that era for gods names to be incorporated into
personal names.

Ariel, Elijah, Samuel, etc.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 30 May 2007 08:14:26 AM
Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism

wrote:

at 04:00 PM, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:

<snip>

I've been catching bits and pieces about Baal from different online
articles and TV documentaries lately, and from what I've learned, Baal
is just another god some of the ancient Jews used to worship and call
their god.

They were polytheistic to start with, but then, to start with they were
a portion of the Canaanite society that got their nose out of joint and
assumed they were better than anybody else. Of course, during that era,
that was a fairly routine attitude.

As opposed to when? Seems to me that the view that "we'uns are better
than them'uns" is a pretty universal.

It is, sadly. I see religions as making things worse in that regard,
because people think their religion or god is better than someone
else's religion or god. They only serve to separate people and make
them different and to themselves, superior.

Did you know that Hannibal means "Grace of Baal?"

& Gideon had the original name called "my family serves baal" it was
quite common during that era for gods names to be incorporated into
personal names.

Ariel, Elijah, Samuel, etc.

Which contain the god called El, not YHVH. They were different gods,
despite what many people believe or claim.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 30 May 2007 09:38:18 AM
On Wed, 30 May 2007 13:14:26 GMT, in alt.atheism , Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> in
<2gtq5315og2hb9o78cgp25hhjal03en7rb@4ax.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism

wrote:

at 04:00 PM, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:


<snip>

I've been catching bits and pieces about Baal from different online
articles and TV documentaries lately, and from what I've learned, Baal
is just another god some of the ancient Jews used to worship and call
their god.


They were polytheistic to start with, but then, to start with they were
a portion of the Canaanite society that got their nose out of joint and
assumed they were better than anybody else. Of course, during that era,
that was a fairly routine attitude.


As opposed to when? Seems to me that the view that "we'uns are better
than them'uns" is a pretty universal.


It is, sadly. I see religions as making things worse in that regard,
because people think their religion or god is better than someone
else's religion or god. They only serve to separate people and make
them different and to themselves, superior.

Another way of looking at it is that the "we'uns are better than
them'uns" is the fundamental cause and that religion is just one way
it is implemented. The beliefs in themselves are really orthogonal to
that.

Did you know that Hannibal means "Grace of Baal?"


& Gideon had the original name called "my family serves baal" it was
quite common during that era for gods names to be incorporated into
personal names.


Ariel, Elijah, Samuel, etc.


Which contain the god called El, not YHVH. They were different gods,
despite what many people believe or claim.

At one point they were different but things change. But I don't know
of any use of YHVH as part of a name, El is very common.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 30 May 2007 11:32:02 AM
Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> in

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism

wrote:

at 04:00 PM, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> said:

<snip>

I've been catching bits and pieces about Baal from different online
articles and TV documentaries lately, and from what I've learned, Baal
is just another god some of the ancient Jews used to worship and call
their god.

They were polytheistic to start with, but then, to start with they were
a portion of the Canaanite society that got their nose out of joint and
assumed they were better than anybody else. Of course, during that era,
that was a fairly routine attitude.

As opposed to when? Seems to me that the view that "we'uns are better
than them'uns" is a pretty universal.

It is, sadly. I see religions as making things worse in that regard,
because people think their religion or god is better than someone
else's religion or god. They only serve to separate people and make
them different and to themselves, superior.

Another way of looking at it is that the "we'uns are better than
them'uns" is the fundamental cause and that religion is just one way
it is implemented. The beliefs in themselves are really orthogonal to
that.

I see it as similar to political parties when it comes to separating
people and causing extreme emotionalism in some of them.
They're both things my parents taught me not to discuss with
close family or friends, so that's why I do it here on usenet, I
think.

Did you know that Hannibal means "Grace of Baal?"

& Gideon had the original name called "my family serves baal" it was
quite common during that era for gods names to be incorporated into
personal names.

Ariel, Elijah, Samuel, etc.

Which contain the god called El, not YHVH. They were different gods,
despite what many people believe or claim.

At one point they were different but things change.

As does everything, sooner or later..

But I don't know of any use of YHVH as part of a name, El is very common.

Jove-pater is as close to a match as I can find, and it wasn't a name
for any human people, but instead for the planet Ju-pater, thought to
be a shining father god in the sky.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.








User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 29 May 2007 04:41:10 PM
On Mon, 28 May 2007 20:00:35 -0400, in alt.atheism , Darrell Stec
<darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> in
<465b6de4$0$4934$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Sgeo wrote:

On May 28, 8:04 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...

--
Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com


So if a secular authority decides that God is not allowed, God is
powerless? What an oh-so-powerful God! The Bible also says to kill
those who disobey the commandments (the commandments are not the
pinnacle of morality).



Especially since Christians always quote the wrong list of commandments as
the 10 Commandments.

Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?

It is not really an issue of morality: not all such prohibitions deal
with morality.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.
User: "Darrell Stec"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 29 May 2007 09:27:15 PM
Matt Silberstein wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2007 20:00:35 -0400, in alt.atheism , Darrell Stec
<darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> in
<465b6de4$0$4934$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Sgeo wrote:

On May 28, 8:04 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...

--
Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com


So if a secular authority decides that God is not allowed, God is
powerless? What an oh-so-powerful God! The Bible also says to kill
those who disobey the commandments (the commandments are not the
pinnacle of morality).



Especially since Christians always quote the wrong list of commandments as
the 10 Commandments.

Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?


It is not really an issue of morality: not all such prohibitions deal
with morality.



I know. That was sort of a rhetorical question. I think the Hebrews
adopted certain rituals just to be different from their neighbors.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec

Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 29 May 2007 09:36:50 PM
On Tue, 29 May 2007 22:27:15 -0400, in alt.atheism , Darrell Stec
<darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> in
<465ce1f2$0$1353$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2007 20:00:35 -0400, in alt.atheism , Darrell Stec
<darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> in
<465b6de4$0$4934$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Sgeo wrote:

On May 28, 8:04 am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50nBpoiIvU

Boy oh boy...

--
Elroy Williswww.elroysemporium.com


So if a secular authority decides that God is not allowed, God is
powerless? What an oh-so-powerful God! The Bible also says to kill
those who disobey the commandments (the commandments are not the
pinnacle of morality).



Especially since Christians always quote the wrong list of commandments as
the 10 Commandments.

Hint: what is the morality of not boiling a kid in its mother's milk?


It is not really an issue of morality: not all such prohibitions deal
with morality.



I know. That was sort of a rhetorical question. I think the Hebrews
adopted certain rituals just to be different from their neighbors.

That is pretty much explicit in the text. Lots of the rules are
specifically to make themselves separate from others.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: The Day They Kicked God out of the Schools 30 May 2007 08:17:18 AM
Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism , Darrell Stec wrote:

<snip>

I know. That was sort of a rhetorical question. I think the Hebrews
adopted certain rituals just to be different from their neighbors.

That is pretty much explicit in the text. Lots of the rules are
specifically to make themselves separate from others.

And then they whine about being persecuted because their beliefs
and rituals are different, all the while having caused it themselves
by creating them in the first place.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.







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