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27 Jul 2005 04:27:32 PM |
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The Demand For A Sign. |
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
went away.
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27 Jul 2005 07:18:51 PM |
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By this reasoning, I could claim to be Jesus, and no one could really
prove otherwise, since no sign is needed!
vivapadrepio@aol.com (vivapadrepio@aol.com) wrote:
: Matthew 16: 1-4.
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: The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
: them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
: say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
: 'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
: how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
: of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
: sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
: went away.
:
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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28 Jul 2005 07:40:47 AM |
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Edgar A Pearlstein wrote:
By this reasoning, I could claim to be Jesus, and no one could really
prove otherwise, since no sign is needed!
About bloody time you showed up JC ......... what kept you ? ..........
I for one, welcome you Lord .......... Edgar ? ............. not sure if
that name is going to go down well with the faithful ? ...........
vivapadrepio@aol.com (vivapadrepio@aol.com) wrote:
: Matthew 16: 1-4.
:
: The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
: them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
: say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
: 'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
: how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
: of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
: sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
: went away.
:
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Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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27 Jul 2005 08:31:13 PM |
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In article <dc989b$svg$1@unlnews.unl.edu>, Edgar A Pearlstein
said...
By this reasoning, I could claim to be Jesus, and no one could really
prove otherwise, since no sign is needed!
Indeed, it would be downright blasphemous to disagree!
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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27 Jul 2005 09:09:19 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
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*An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,*
What a sonofabitch, condemning an entire group of people for the actions of
a few.
The more you tell me about this Jesus/God fellow the more I realize what a
***** He was.
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| User: "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" |
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28 Jul 2005 06:46:36 AM |
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the problem with the bible is that it does not commit it self to anything.
it is definatly brainwash material.
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DO UNTO OTHERS-THEN SPLIT....
AA #2241.
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| User: "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" |
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27 Jul 2005 04:39:16 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122499652.780932.228640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
went away.
thats a cheap cop-out.
the thing about religion is that it does not deliver anything.
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DO UNTO OTHERS-THEN SPLIT....
AA #2241.
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| User: "georgann" |
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27 Jul 2005 08:01:27 PM |
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Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show them a
sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you say,
'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning, 'Today will
be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know how to judge the
appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs of the times. *An evil
and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no sign will be given it except
the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and went away.
I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY! wrote:
thats a cheap cop-out. the thing about religion is that it does not deliver
anything.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I guess it depends on how cheap a thing you want delivered. Knowing who God
is has a price above imagination.
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on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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28 Jul 2005 07:58:33 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0DA6A5.729F3%chenault@mindspring.com...
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a
sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you say,
'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will
be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know how to judge
the
appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs of the times.
*An evil
and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no sign will be given it
except
the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and went away.
I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY! wrote:
thats a cheap cop-out. the thing about religion is that it does not
deliver
anything.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I guess it depends on how cheap a thing you want delivered. Knowing who
God
is has a price above imagination.
So you keep claiming, but without actual evidence, it's just another load of
mythological baloney.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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27 Jul 2005 11:00:29 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet georgann
(chenault@mindspring.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening
you say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the
morning, 'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.'
You know how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot
judge the signs of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation
seeks a sign,* but no sign will be given it except the sign of
Jonah." Then he left them and went away.
I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY! wrote:
thats a cheap cop-out. the thing about religion is that it does not
deliver anything.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I guess it depends on how cheap a thing you want delivered. Knowing
who God is has a price above imagination.
OK, who is god, above imagination?
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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28 Jul 2005 03:25:15 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show them a
sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you say,
'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning, 'Today will
be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know how to judge the
appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs of the times. *An evil
and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no sign will be given it except
the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and went away.
I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY! wrote:
thats a cheap cop-out. the thing about religion is that it does not deliver
anything.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I guess it depends on how cheap a thing you want delivered. Knowing who God
is has a price above imagination.
What's his name and what does he look like?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "William T. Goat" |
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28 Jul 2005 02:25:35 PM |
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georgann wrote:
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show them a
sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you say,
'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning, 'Today will
be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know how to judge the
appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs of the times. *An evil
and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no sign will be given it except
the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and went away.
I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY! wrote:
thats a cheap cop-out. the thing about religion is that it does not deliver
anything.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I guess it depends on how cheap a thing you want delivered. Knowing who God
is has a price above imagination.
And yet Christians keep spreading the information around for free.
--Billy
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28 Jul 2005 04:54:53 PM |
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I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY! wrote:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122499652.780932.228640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
went away.
thats a cheap cop-out.
the thing about religion is that it does not deliver anything.
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DO UNTO OTHERS-THEN SPLIT....
AA #2241.
False religions do not deliver anything to you.
Get behind us, Satan! Following our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will
bring you salvation! Subscribing to the ways of this wicked world is
the true cop-out, and the genuine indication of your weakness. Stop
being a loser! Start being a winner and join up with the soldiers of
Christ!
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28 Jul 2005 05:46:35 PM |
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wrote:
I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY! wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1122499652.780932.228640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
went away.
thats a cheap cop-out.
the thing about religion is that it does not deliver anything.
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DO UNTO OTHERS-THEN SPLIT....
AA #2241.
False religions do not deliver anything to you.
Get behind us, Satan!
Easier access to our rectums back there!
Following our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will
bring you salvation!
While Jesus is our Lord and Savior, he won't take American Express.
Subscribing to the ways of this wicked world is
the true cop-out, and the genuine indication of your weakness.
The wicked world? That thing that God created?
Stop
being a loser!
Well, since I've never been a loser...
Start being a winner and join up with the soldiers of
Christ!
No thanks. Don't want to be a "Soldier of Christ," whatever that is.
Sounds like an oxymoron, since Jesus advocated peace. Ah well.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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29 Jul 2005 07:47:41 AM |
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wrote:
I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY! wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1122499652.780932.228640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
went away.
thats a cheap cop-out.
the thing about religion is that it does not deliver anything.
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DO UNTO OTHERS-THEN SPLIT....
AA #2241.
False religions do not deliver anything to you.
So does this mean you will be converting to atheism ?
Get behind us, Satan! Following our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will
bring you salvation! Subscribing to the ways of this wicked world is
the true cop-out, and the genuine indication of your weakness. Stop
being a loser! Start being a winner and join up with the soldiers of
Christ!
Cool ..... do we get exploding Bibles ?
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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29 Jul 2005 08:45:01 PM |
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On 2005-07-28 14:54:53 -0700, "vivapadrepio@aol.com"
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> said:
False religions do not deliver anything to you.
Well, it has delivered *you* to us on alt.atheism.
--
GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have
taken my wages in people.
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28 Jul 2005 04:42:13 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122499652.780932.228640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.'
Jesus gave them a weather report?
Maybe Jesus was the first ever weather man.
You know
how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
went away.
And what exactly is the sign of Jonah?
--
Andrew W.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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27 Jul 2005 04:58:48 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122499652.780932.228640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
went away.
Oops! I think God must have made a mistake when he imparted his "divine
revelation" to the author of Mark. Because *he* says that Jesus said, "*No*
sign will be given unto this generation. And he left them ... " (see Mk.
8:11-13).
And while we're on the subject, Jesus says in Matthew (12:40) that like
Jonah, who was in the belly of a great fish for, "three days *and* three
nights, so would he (Jesus) be in the heart of the earth for the same period
of time. Explain to me bible-boy, how do you get three days *and* three
nights out of "Good Friday (1st day and 1 night), Saturday (2nd day and
night) and pre-dawn Sunday (Jn. 20:1)? Are you going to call a fraction of
daylight on "Easter" Sunday a "day"? Well if so, where's the "night"?
Greywolf
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27 Jul 2005 06:20:30 PM |
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wrote:
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
went away.
It's easier to read things you've experienced like fair weather preceded
by a red sky. When you're immersed in the times, you have a hard time
seeing the forest for the trees.
Even if Jesus had lived as recorded, he didn't fulfill the sign of
jonah. Namely, if the gospel account were accurate, Jesus went into the
grave late Friday, was there all day Saturday, and rose early Sunday. At
best, that's a day and a half.
James
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28 Jul 2005 10:39:50 PM |
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James Ascher wrote in message
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vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
went away.
It's easier to read things you've experienced like fair weather preceded
by a red sky. When you're immersed in the times, you have a hard time
seeing the forest for the trees.
Even if Jesus had lived as recorded, he didn't fulfill the sign of
jonah. Namely, if the gospel account were accurate, Jesus went into the
grave late Friday, was there all day Saturday, and rose early Sunday. At
best, that's a day and a half.
You are incorrect. The Roman catholic church misinterpreted the scriptures
and had Jesus crucified on a Friday when in reality it was a Wednesday. It
was the sabbath of the passover feast, and not the sabbath of the end of the
week like they thought.
Some Pharisees and teachers of the law said to Jesus, "Teacher,
we want to see a miraculous sign from you." He answered,
"A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign!
But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights
in the heart of the earth ..." Matt.12:39.
If Jesus was laid in the grave at the sunset on the Friday and him
risen at the sunrise on the Sunday, it is only one day and two nights,
or 36 hours. But Jesus said three days and three nights, it is 72
hours. If we count 72 hours back from the sunrise on the Sunday,
then we come to the sunrise on the Thursday. This is neither right,
for in Matt. 27:57-60 and in Mark. 15:42 we see that the body of
Jesus was laid in the grave at the sunset.
We must still count 12 hours back, and we come to Wednesday
sunset. Could it have possibly been on a Wednesday that Jesus was
crucified? Yet, according to Mark. 15:42, it was the day before the
Sabbath. Could the Thursday have been a Sabbath? Yes, Thursday
was a Sabbath!
This is the very fact that has confused people. A fact that has
completely been overlooked because Christians have lost sight of
the meaning of the sacred feast days and what they really typified.
This Sabbath holds the key to the whole mystery!
We can read in John 19:31 that the Sabbath was a High day.
This, the annual Sabbath, they always celebrated on the 15th day
of the Jewish month of Abib (Nisan), irrespective of which day of
the week this occurred. It had nothing to do with the creation
Sabbath which is a weekly Sabbath. It could be two Sabbath days
on the same week. The Passover day they celebrated the 14th Abib,
and next day was a Sabbath. You can read this in Exodus 12:1-14.
Leviticus 23:5. Numbers 9:1-5, 28:16-18. Deuteronomy 16:1.
This Sabbath was instituted at the first Passover in Egypt. It was seven
Sabbaths that they celebrated once in the year (Leviticus 23:15, 24, 27,
34 and 39), which could occur on any day of the week.
The Passover lamb would be slaughtered on the 14th day, at the sunset
of the Passover day. "And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of
the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel
shall kill it in the evening." "And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins
girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall
eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover." Exodus 12:6, 11.
When God was so strictly that the Passover lamb was slaughtered at the
certain time, then he ought to be still more strictly that the real Passover
Lamb, Jesus Christ, was sacrificed at the exact time. Jesus was crucified
at the exact time of the year and that is why He IS our Passover Lamb!
If Jesus had been crucified on the Friday, then he had come two days
too later with his sacrifice.
Consider please, the tremendous importance of this SIGN OF JONAH.
Jesus proved that he is the true Messiah through fulfilling the sign of
Jonah. His body was in the grave THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS.
If we count from the sunset on the Wednesday and 72 hours ahead, then
we come to the sunset of Saturday. Then Jesus had fulfilled the sign of
Jonah, and proved that he is the true Messiah. Accordingly, Jesus could
have resurrected already in the Saturday evening. The Bible does not say
what time Jesus resurrected, but early at the sunrise when the women
came to the grave he was risen. Mark. 16:2, Luke 24:1.
Jonah was a "type" of the Saviour to come. After 3 days and 3 nights in
the belly of the fish, he became the 'saviour' of the gentile city, Nineveh.
By referring to Jonah as a sign, Jesus was pointing out to us that Jonah
was a "type" of the Saviour who would come for the whole world. If the
Jews took the trouble to look up the scriptural reference, then they would
have believed Jesus to be the Saviour, the promised Messiah. If you study
the Bible careful, you cannot deny that Jesus was in the grave all the 72
hours he had foretold.
Learned theologians and church leaders do not study the Bible. They do
not know what the Bible teaches, for they do not read it, but follow
doctrines and traditions of man. They believe that Jesus was crucified
on a Friday, and Good Friday has been celebrated. Satan exploits this
ignorance, and the celebrating of Good Friday as a memory of the
crucifixion. He uses it as "a proof" that Jesus did not fulfil the sign of
Jonah. "He was in the grave only the half time."
Nowhere in the Bible can we read that Jesus was crucified on a Friday.
Jesus warns against "making the Word of God of none effect through
your tradition" (Mark 7:13). We shall be guided by the Bible, not by
tradition.
The chief priests and the elders had the courage to invent a lie! For a
large sum of money the soldiers were bribed into saying that the disciples
had stolen His Body from the grave! "The soldiers took the money and
carried out their instructions, and to this day that is the story among the
Jews" (Matt. 28:12-15).
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29 Jul 2005 08:23:23 PM |
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:42e9a506_3@news1.uncensored-news.com...
James Ascher wrote in message
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vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
Matthew 16: 1-4.
The Pharisees and Sadducees came and, to test him, asked him to show
them a sign from heaven. He said to them in reply, "In the evening you
say, 'Tomorrow will be fair, for the sky is red'; and, in the morning,
'Today will be stormy, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know
how to judge the appearance of the sky, but you cannot judge the signs
of the times. *An evil and unfaithful generation seeks a sign,* but no
sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then he left them and
went away.
It's easier to read things you've experienced like fair weather preceded
by a red sky. When you're immersed in the times, you have a hard time
seeing the forest for the trees.
Even if Jesus had lived as recorded, he didn't fulfill the sign of
jonah. Namely, if the gospel account were accurate, Jesus went into the
grave late Friday, was there all day Saturday, and rose early Sunday. At
best, that's a day and a half.
You are incorrect. The Roman catholic church misinterpreted the scriptures
and had Jesus crucified on a Friday when in reality it was a Wednesday. It
was the sabbath of the passover feast, and not the sabbath of the end of
the
week like they thought.
Some Pharisees and teachers of the law said to Jesus, "Teacher,
we want to see a miraculous sign from you." He answered,
"A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign!
But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights
in the heart of the earth ..." Matt.12:39.
If Jesus was laid in the grave at the sunset on the Friday and him
risen at the sunrise on the Sunday, it is only one day and two nights,
or 36 hours. But Jesus said three days and three nights, it is 72
hours. If we count 72 hours back from the sunrise on the Sunday,
then we come to the sunrise on the Thursday. This is neither right,
for in Matt. 27:57-60 and in Mark. 15:42 we see that the body of
Jesus was laid in the grave at the sunset.
We must still count 12 hours back, and we come to Wednesday
sunset. Could it have possibly been on a Wednesday that Jesus was
crucified? Yet, according to Mark. 15:42, it was the day before the
Sabbath. Could the Thursday have been a Sabbath? Yes, Thursday
was a Sabbath!
This is the very fact that has confused people. A fact that has
completely been overlooked because Christians have lost sight of
the meaning of the sacred feast days and what they really typified.
This Sabbath holds the key to the whole mystery!
We can read in John 19:31 that the Sabbath was a High day.
This, the annual Sabbath, they always celebrated on the 15th day
of the Jewish month of Abib (Nisan), irrespective of which day of
the week this occurred. It had nothing to do with the creation
Sabbath which is a weekly Sabbath. It could be two Sabbath days
on the same week. The Passover day they celebrated the 14th Abib,
and next day was a Sabbath. You can read this in Exodus 12:1-14.
Leviticus 23:5. Numbers 9:1-5, 28:16-18. Deuteronomy 16:1.
This Sabbath was instituted at the first Passover in Egypt. It was seven
Sabbaths that they celebrated once in the year (Leviticus 23:15, 24, 27,
34 and 39), which could occur on any day of the week.
The Passover lamb would be slaughtered on the 14th day, at the sunset
of the Passover day. "And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of
the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel
shall kill it in the evening." "And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins
girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall
eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover." Exodus 12:6, 11.
When God was so strictly that the Passover lamb was slaughtered at the
certain time, then he ought to be still more strictly that the real
Passover
Lamb, Jesus Christ, was sacrificed at the exact time. Jesus was crucified
at the exact time of the year and that is why He IS our Passover Lamb!
If Jesus had been crucified on the Friday, then he had come two days
too later with his sacrifice.
Consider please, the tremendous importance of this SIGN OF JONAH.
Jesus proved that he is the true Messiah through fulfilling the sign of
Jonah. His body was in the grave THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS.
If we count from the sunset on the Wednesday and 72 hours ahead, then
we come to the sunset of Saturday. Then Jesus had fulfilled the sign of
Jonah, and proved that he is the true Messiah. Accordingly, Jesus could
have resurrected already in the Saturday evening. The Bible does not say
what time Jesus resurrected, but early at the sunrise when the women
came to the grave he was risen. Mark. 16:2, Luke 24:1.
Jonah was a "type" of the Saviour to come. After 3 days and 3 nights in
the belly of the fish, he became the 'saviour' of the gentile city,
Nineveh.
By referring to Jonah as a sign, Jesus was pointing out to us that Jonah
was a "type" of the Saviour who would come for the whole world. If the
Jews took the trouble to look up the scriptural reference, then they would
have believed Jesus to be the Saviour, the promised Messiah. If you study
the Bible careful, you cannot deny that Jesus was in the grave all the 72
hours he had foretold.
Learned theologians and church leaders do not study the Bible. They do
not know what the Bible teaches, for they do not read it, but follow
doctrines and traditions of man. They believe that Jesus was crucified
on a Friday, and Good Friday has been celebrated. Satan exploits this
ignorance, and the celebrating of Good Friday as a memory of the
crucifixion. He uses it as "a proof" that Jesus did not fulfil the sign of
Jonah. "He was in the grave only the half time."
Nowhere in the Bible can we read that Jesus was crucified on a Friday.
Jesus warns against "making the Word of God of none effect through
your tradition" (Mark 7:13). We shall be guided by the Bible, not by
tradition.
The chief priests and the elders had the courage to invent a lie! For a
large sum of money the soldiers were bribed into saying that the disciples
had stolen His Body from the grave! "The soldiers took the money and
carried out their instructions, and to this day that is the story among
the
Jews" (Matt. 28:12-15).
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Okay. Think about this for a while. It is something you said that got my
noggin' a churnin'. You said:
"The Bible does not say
what time Jesus resurrected, but early at the sunrise when the women
came to the grave he was risen. (Mark. 16:2, Luke 24:1.).
Ummmm ....could it be possible then that Jesus (who never actually rose from
the dead) rose from the dead ten minutes after Joseph of Arimethea
"anointed" Jesus' body ( Jn. 19:38-42) with spices? Who's to say he didn't?
Can *you* say anything definitive about that? You can't of course. But why
in the hell do people like you persist in spouting off such nonsense? Are
you people crazy or what? The Jesus story is pure FICTION! Get over it.
Greywolf
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27 Jul 2005 08:04:44 PM |
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James Ascher wrote:
Even if Jesus had lived as recorded, he didn't fulfill the sign of
jonah. Namely, if the gospel account were accurate, Jesus went into the
grave late Friday, was there all day Saturday, and rose early Sunday. At
best, that's a day and a half.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You don't understand the right way of counting the days. Friday counts as
one day even if only a portion, Saturday as 2 and any part of Sunday as part
of the 3rd Day. Besides the Third Day is as significant to other things as
it is to the Day of Christ's resurrection.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
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27 Jul 2005 08:27:58 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0DA76B.729F5%chenault@mindspring.com...
snip
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You don't understand the right way of counting the days.
You mean the version you just made up?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Grogs" |
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27 Jul 2005 10:39:24 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in news:3kqqklFvo32uU1
@individual.net:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0DA76B.729F5%chenault@mindspring.com...
snip
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You don't understand the right way of counting the days.
You mean the version you just made up?
Nah, apologists came up with it a long time ago. In fairness though, it
seems likely that Jewish according to Jewish tradition, the day ran from
sunset to sunset, so you could maybe say he 'rose on the third day.'
In contrast, Jonah 1:17 says very clearly that he was inside the fish for
'three days and three nights.' No matter how you count days, Jesus was
definitely not in the tomb for 3 nights.
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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28 Jul 2005 05:04:48 AM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Wednesday 27 July 2005 9:27 pm
witchypoo@broomstick.com wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0DA76B.729F5%chenault@mindspring.com...
snip
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You don't understand the right way of counting the days.
You mean the version you just made up?
Actually she is partially correct, in that part of a day might be counted as
a day. If Jesus simply said three days, georgann would be correct, however
[and it is a BIG however] according to Matthew Jesus said the son of man
would spend three days and three nights in the ground just as Jonah would
spend three days and three nights in the belly of a big fish. Oops, he
didn't spend any days or nights in the ground either. He spent them in a
cave and according to modern day believers who have designated the actual
cave [much disputed of course since nobody tried to find it until
Constantine's mother a few centuries later], an above ground one.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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28 Jul 2005 05:23:20 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:04:48 -0400 in alt.atheism, Darrell Stec
(Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
After serious contemplation, on or about Wednesday 27 July 2005 9:27 pm
witchypoo@broomstick.com wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0DA76B.729F5%chenault@mindspring.com...
snip
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You don't understand the right way of counting the days.
You mean the version you just made up?
Actually she is partially correct, in that part of a day might be counted as
a day. If Jesus simply said three days, georgann would be correct, however
[and it is a BIG however] according to Matthew Jesus said the son of man
would spend three days and three nights in the ground just as Jonah would
spend three days and three nights in the belly of a big fish. Oops, he
didn't spend any days or nights in the ground either. He spent them in a
cave and according to modern day believers who have designated the actual
cave [much disputed of course since nobody tried to find it until
Constantine's mother a few centuries later], an above ground one.
("The King's English // A guide to modern usage", Amis, Kingsley,
HarperCollins, 1997, ISBN 0 00 255681 2 pp141 - 2.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0006387462)
On the third day
Christians know as certainly as they know anything that on the third
day after his death on the cross Jesus rose again from the dead. Like
many others I knew this myself at one time. Even when I knew it,
however, another part of my mind was not to be prevented from seeing
that Easter Day, Sunday, was only the *second* day after the day
of crucifixion, Friday. This caused me no difficulty at that far off
time, and it cannot have been long afterwards that I abandoned all
speculation about such matters.
The answer to the problem is, as usual, that there is no problem. The
ancient world reckoned the passage of time inclusively, so that to
every Roman yesterday was two days ago and tomorrow can along in two
days' time. And any Sunday was the third day after the preceding
Friday, whatever else might have been going on. This fact cannot have
been known for some centuries, but I have never heard of any Christian
who seems to have experienced difficulty in believing two apparently
incompatible things at once. This would appear to point to a
discernable incuriosity about one of the fundamental articles of
Christian faith.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. Want food NOW? Then try http://www.rtios.com/
- Yep, currently under test... Your opinion welcome.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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28 Jul 2005 06:44:07 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:jlche1h519hk128rj4b5b45n17ebmtsh3p@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:04:48 -0400 in alt.atheism, Darrell Stec
(Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
After serious contemplation, on or about Wednesday 27 July 2005 9:27 pm
witchypoo@broomstick.com wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0DA76B.729F5%chenault@mindspring.com...
snip
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You don't understand the right way of counting the days.
You mean the version you just made up?
Actually she is partially correct, in that part of a day might be counted
as
a day. If Jesus simply said three days, georgann would be correct,
however
[and it is a BIG however] according to Matthew Jesus said the son of man
would spend three days and three nights in the ground just as Jonah would
spend three days and three nights in the belly of a big fish. Oops, he
didn't spend any days or nights in the ground either. He spent them in a
cave and according to modern day believers who have designated the actual
cave [much disputed of course since nobody tried to find it until
Constantine's mother a few centuries later], an above ground one.
("The King's English // A guide to modern usage", Amis, Kingsley,
HarperCollins, 1997, ISBN 0 00 255681 2 pp141 - 2.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0006387462)
On the third day
Christians know as certainly as they know anything that on the third
day after his death on the cross Jesus rose again from the dead. Like
many others I knew this myself at one time. Even when I knew it,
however, another part of my mind was not to be prevented from seeing
that Easter Day, Sunday, was only the *second* day after the day
of crucifixion, Friday. This caused me no difficulty at that far off
time, and it cannot have been long afterwards that I abandoned all
speculation about such matters.
The answer to the problem is, as usual, that there is no problem. The
ancient world reckoned the passage of time inclusively, so that to
every Roman yesterday was two days ago and tomorrow can along in two
days' time. And any Sunday was the third day after the preceding
Friday, whatever else might have been going on. This fact cannot have
been known for some centuries, but I have never heard of any Christian
who seems to have experienced difficulty in believing two apparently
incompatible things at once. This would appear to point to a
discernable incuriosity about one of the fundamental articles of
Christian faith.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. Want food NOW? Then try http://www.rtios.com/
- Yep, currently under test... Your opinion welcome.
Let me get this straight: You see no problem with Jesus "prophesying" -
with specificity - that he would be in "the heart of the earth," for three
days *and* three nights," yet, according to "scripture" he was "gone" for
only *two* days and nights (Friday and Saturday). *You* don't see any
problem here? How far off the deep-end have you gone? If you're going to
say I believe in the whole Jesus thing, that's okay. That's your own
personal belief. But what in the hell are you doing in alt.atheism
espousing such nonsense? You *know* you're going to get slaughtered in any
kind of a thological debate here. Get real..
Oh, since we're on the topic of biblical chronology here. Explain this one:
Mark 15:25 clearly indicates that Jesus was crucified at 9 o' clock in the
morning ( the "third" hour" ), yet in John 19:14, he's still on "trial" at
around noon ( the "sixth" hour ). How could that possibly be? Oh, wait. I
know. Jesus was God and so he was in both places at different times of the
day so he could *really* confuse atheists like myself. Silly me. I should
have known.
Greywolf
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: The Demand For A Sign. |
28 Jul 2005 07:10:22 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:44:07 -0500 in alt.atheism, Greywolf
("Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:jlche1h519hk128rj4b5b45n17ebmtsh3p@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:04:48 -0400 in alt.atheism, Darrell Stec
(Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
After serious contemplation, on or about Wednesday 27 July 2005 9:27 pm
witchypoo@broomstick.com wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0DA76B.729F5%chenault@mindspring.com...
snip
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You don't understand the right way of counting the days.
You mean the version you just made up?
Actually she is partially correct, in that part of a day might be counted
as
a day. If Jesus simply said three days, georgann would be correct,
however
[and it is a BIG however] according to Matthew Jesus said the son of man
would spend three days and three nights in the ground just as Jonah would
spend three days and three nights in the belly of a big fish. Oops, he
didn't spend any days or nights in the ground either. He spent them in a
cave and according to modern day believers who have designated the actual
cave [much disputed of course since nobody tried to find it until
Constantine's mother a few centuries later], an above ground one.
("The King's English // A guide to modern usage", Amis, Kingsley,
HarperCollins, 1997, ISBN 0 00 255681 2 pp141 - 2.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0006387462)
On the third day
Christians know as certainly as they know anything that on the third
day after his death on the cross Jesus rose again from the dead. Like
many others I knew this myself at one time. Even when I knew it,
however, another part of my mind was not to be prevented from seeing
that Easter Day, Sunday, was only the *second* day after the day
of crucifixion, Friday. This caused me no difficulty at that far off
time, and it cannot have been long afterwards that I abandoned all
speculation about such matters.
The answer to the problem is, as usual, that there is no problem. The
ancient world reckoned the passage of time inclusively, so that to
every Roman yesterday was two days ago and tomorrow can along in two
days' time. And any Sunday was the third day after the preceding
Friday, whatever else might have been going on. This fact cannot have
been known for some centuries, but I have never heard of any Christian
who seems to have experienced difficulty in believing two apparently
incompatible things at once. This would appear to point to a
discernable incuriosity about one of the fundamental articles of
Christian faith.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. Want food NOW? Then try http://www.rtios.com/
- Yep, currently under test... Your opinion welcome.
Let me get this straight: You see no problem with Jesus "prophesying" -
with specificity - that he would be in "the heart of the earth," for three
days *and* three nights," yet, according to "scripture" he was "gone" for
only *two* days and nights (Friday and Saturday). *You* don't see any
problem here? How far off the deep-end have you gone? If you're going to
say I believe in the whole Jesus thing, that's okay. That's your own
personal belief. But what in the hell are you doing in alt.atheism
espousing such nonsense? You *know* you're going to get slaughtered in any
kind of a thological debate here. Get real..
Oh, since we're on the topic of biblical chronology here. Explain this one:
Mark 15:25 clearly indicates that Jesus was crucified at 9 o' clock in the
morning ( the "third" hour" ), yet in John 19:14, he's still on "trial" at
around noon ( the "sixth" hour ). How could that possibly be? Oh, wait. I
know. Jesus was God and so he was in both places at different times of the
day so he could *really* confuse atheists like myself. Silly me. I should
have known.
I think the important point about the quotation I gave is:
"but I have never heard of any Christian who seems to have
experienced difficulty in believing two apparently incompatible
things at once".
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: The Demand For A Sign. |
28 Jul 2005 10:39:17 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:8uihe1tno66egubgl3kfl4gtm82p0mssfd@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:44:07 -0500 in alt.atheism, Greywolf
("Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:jlche1h519hk128rj4b5b45n17ebmtsh3p@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:04:48 -0400 in alt.atheism, Darrell Stec
(Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
After serious contemplation, on or about Wednesday 27 July 2005 9:27 pm
witchypoo@broomstick.com wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0DA76B.729F5%chenault@mindspring.com...
snip
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You don't understand the right way of counting the days.
You mean the version you just made up?
Actually she is partially correct, in that part of a day might be
counted
as
a day. If Jesus simply said three days, georgann would be correct,
however
[and it is a BIG however] according to Matthew Jesus said the son of man
would spend three days and three nights in the ground just as Jonah
would
spend three days and three nights in the belly of a big fish. Oops, he
didn't spend any days or nights in the ground either. He spent them in
a
cave and according to modern day believers who have designated the
actual
cave [much disputed of course since nobody tried to find it until
Constantine's mother a few centuries later], an above ground one.
("The King's English // A guide to modern usage", Amis, Kingsley,
HarperCollins, 1997, ISBN 0 00 255681 2 pp141 - 2.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0006387462)
On the third day
Christians know as certainly as they know anything that on the third
day after his death on the cross Jesus rose again from the dead. Like
many others I knew this myself at one time. Even when I knew it,
however, another part of my mind was not to be prevented from seeing
that Easter Day, Sunday, was only the *second* day after the day
of crucifixion, Friday. This caused me no difficulty at that far off
time, and it cannot have been long afterwards that I abandoned all
speculation about such matters.
The answer to the problem is, as usual, that there is no problem. The
ancient world reckoned the passage of time inclusively, so that to
every Roman yesterday was two days ago and tomorrow can along in two
days' time. And any Sunday was the third day after the preceding
Friday, whatever else might have been going on. This fact cannot have
been known for some centuries, but I have never heard of any Christian
who seems to have experienced difficulty in believing two apparently
incompatible things at once. This would appear to point to a
discernable incuriosity about one of the fundamental articles of
Christian faith.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. Want food NOW? Then try http://www.rtios.com/
- Yep, currently under test... Your opinion welcome.
Let me get this straight: You see no problem with Jesus "prophesying" -
with specificity - that he would be in "the heart of the earth," for
three
days *and* three nights," yet, according to "scripture" he was "gone" for
only *two* days and nights (Friday and Saturday). *You* don't see any
problem here? How far off the deep-end have you gone? If you're going to
say I believe in the whole Jesus thing, that's okay. That's your own
personal belief. But what in the hell are you doing in alt.atheism
espousing such nonsense? You *know* you're going to get slaughtered in
any
kind of a thological debate here. Get real..
Oh, since we're on the topic of biblical chronology here. Explain this
one:
Mark 15:25 clearly indicates that Jesus was crucified at 9 o' clock in the
morning ( the "third" hour" ), yet in John 19:14, he's still on "trial" at
around noon ( the "sixth" hour ). How could that possibly be? Oh, wait. I
know. Jesus was God and so he was in both places at different times of the
day so he could *really* confuse atheists like myself. Silly me. I should
have known.
I think the important point about the quotation I gave is:
"but I have never heard of any Christian who seems to have
experienced difficulty in believing two apparently incompatible
things at once".
Okay. You got me there.
Greywolf
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28 Jul 2005 12:51:09 PM |
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In article <11ehv1dfcnqqi3b@corp.supernews.com>, Greywolf
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Okay. You got me there.
Greywolf
Greywolf, why do prepend your responses with a ">" symbol? The
greater-than symbol is used by newsreaders to indicate previous
posters' comments, so your replies always look (at first glance)
as if they contain no new material at all.
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28 Jul 2005 07:22:48 PM |
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"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d52e51b608f38bc98968a@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <11ehv1dfcnqqi3b@corp.supernews.com>, Greywolf
said...
Okay. You got me there.
Greywolf
Greywolf, why do prepend your responses with a ">" symbol? The
greater-than symbol is used by newsreaders to indicate previous
posters' comments, so your replies always look (at first glance)
as if they contain no new material at all.
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Brian E. Clark
I honestly didn't know that. I am, admittedly, uneasy about how to go about
things in these parts. If there is some link or other source where I may
learn the rules and ettiquette of posting in NG's, point the way. I, in no
way, mind constuctive criticism.
Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways.
Greywolf
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