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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "J Young"
Date: 17 Dec 2006 09:20:31 PM
Object: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week
"If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career or joining
the army to
fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq." -
Charles Rangel
.

User: "Sam Brown"

Title: Re: The Despicable J Young 19 Dec 2006 01:00:36 AM
Yang, AthD (h.c) = *****.
.

User: "Merovingian"

Title: Re: The Despicable J Young 19 Dec 2006 02:18:43 AM
Sam Brown wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 06:05:26 GMT, Sam Brown <xxx@nospam.net> wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:49:58 GMT, Sam Brown <xxx@nospam.net> wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:

I love when you chickenhawks

You have so little of worth to share here.


LOL!

So where's that WMD again, *****?

Syria.



And your proof?


http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-115519-3700r.htm

U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of truck
convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks before
U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said yesterday.
The photographs indicate that Iraq was moving arms and equipment
from its known weapons sites, said officials who spoke on the condition
of anonymity.
According to one official, the National Geospatial-Intelligence
Agency, known as NGA, "documented the movement of long convoys of trucks
from various areas around Baghdad to the Syrian border."

Officials said numerous intelligence reports in the past two years
indicate Saddam used trucks and aircraft to withdraw weapons from Iraq
before March 2003. However, the new information indicates that Russian
troops were directly involved in assisting the Iraqi military and
intelligence services to secure and move the arms.
Documents reviewed by one defense official include specific Russian
military unit itineraries for the truck convoys.
The arms that were taken out of the country included missile parts,
nuclear-related equipment, tank and aircraft parts, and chemicals used
in making poison gas weapons, the official said.
Regarding the satellite photographs, defense officials said the
photographs bolster the information obtained from the European
intelligence services on the Russian arms-removal program.
The Russian special forces troops were housed at a computer center
near the Russian Embassy in Baghdad and left the country shortly before
the U.S. invasion was launched March 20, 2003.
Harold Hough, a satellite photographic specialist, said commercial
satellite images taken shortly before U.S. forces reached Baghdad
revealed Russian transport aircraft at Baghdad's international airport
near a warehouse.
"My thought was that the Russians were eager to get something out
of Iraq quickly," Mr. Hough said.

Yeah. But at that time the war was still popular. Like I said these
imbeciles were for the war before they were against it. and then they
call Kerry the flip flopper a hero again...then they mention "Vietnam
Vets against the war" without mentioning the fact that Veterans of
Foriegn wars launched an anti-Kerry and his puppets campainge against
him during the last election..... yadayadayada...the same old liberal
propaganda they have been pushin for the last 4 years. Its old now
"yaaaaawn"
.
User: "Sam Brown"

Title: Re: The Despicable J Young 19 Dec 2006 10:58:15 AM
Merovingian wrote:

Sam Brown wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 06:05:26 GMT, Sam Brown <xxx@nospam.net> wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:49:58 GMT, Sam Brown <xxx@nospam.net> wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:

I love when you chickenhawks

You have so little of worth to share here.

LOL!

So where's that WMD again, *****?

Syria.


And your proof?

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-115519-3700r.htm

U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of truck
convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks before
U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said yesterday.
The photographs indicate that Iraq was moving arms and equipment
from its known weapons sites, said officials who spoke on the condition
of anonymity.
According to one official, the National Geospatial-Intelligence
Agency, known as NGA, "documented the movement of long convoys of trucks
from various areas around Baghdad to the Syrian border."

Officials said numerous intelligence reports in the past two years
indicate Saddam used trucks and aircraft to withdraw weapons from Iraq
before March 2003. However, the new information indicates that Russian
troops were directly involved in assisting the Iraqi military and
intelligence services to secure and move the arms.
Documents reviewed by one defense official include specific Russian
military unit itineraries for the truck convoys.
The arms that were taken out of the country included missile parts,
nuclear-related equipment, tank and aircraft parts, and chemicals used
in making poison gas weapons, the official said.
Regarding the satellite photographs, defense officials said the
photographs bolster the information obtained from the European
intelligence services on the Russian arms-removal program.
The Russian special forces troops were housed at a computer center
near the Russian Embassy in Baghdad and left the country shortly before
the U.S. invasion was launched March 20, 2003.
Harold Hough, a satellite photographic specialist, said commercial
satellite images taken shortly before U.S. forces reached Baghdad
revealed Russian transport aircraft at Baghdad's international airport
near a warehouse.
"My thought was that the Russians were eager to get something out
of Iraq quickly," Mr. Hough said.



Yeah. But at that time the war was still popular. Like I said these
imbeciles were for the war before they were against it. and then they
call Kerry the flip flopper a hero again...then they mention "Vietnam
Vets against the war" without mentioning the fact that Veterans of
Foriegn wars launched an anti-Kerry and his puppets campainge against
him during the last election..... yadayadayada...the same old liberal
propaganda they have been pushin for the last 4 years. Its old now
"yaaaaawn"

Ayup...
.


User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: The Despicable J Young 18 Dec 2006 04:18:50 PM
On 18 Dec 2006 00:05:04 -0800, "Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com>
wrote:

I love it when hindsight rules. I am willing to bet that at least 9 out
of 10 people who call this war Immoral, were cheering for it while
waving old glory off of their front porches until they failed to
produce the WMD.

Google groups is your friend.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear
to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave
mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
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User: "Sam Brown"

Title: Re: The Despicable J Young 18 Dec 2006 11:54:54 PM
Al Klein wrote:

On 18 Dec 2006 00:05:04 -0800, "Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com>
wrote:

I love it when hindsight rules. I am willing to bet that at least 9 out
of 10 people who call this war Immoral, were cheering for it while
waving old glory off of their front porches until they failed to
produce the WMD.


Google groups is your friend.

And your epitaph.
.


User: "wavy"

Title: Re: The Despicable J Young 18 Dec 2006 12:58:32 AM
RIGHT ON, Brother and AMEN!
Parsifal wrote:

J Young schrieb:

"If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career or joining
the army to
fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq." -
Charles Rangel


For someone who likes the word "decent" so much, I'm surprised that you
oppose the "decent career" and prefer an unjustified, useless and
immoral war. BTW, why aren't you in Iraq, hypocrite *****, then?

.

User: "Merovingian"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 17 Dec 2006 09:34:35 PM
J Young wrote:

"If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career or joining
the army to
fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq." -
Charles Rangel

Joining the armed forces is often a very intelligent career move. The
problem that exists here is that the priviledged do not have to join
the armed forces to get scholarships, or work experience. This leaves
battle to the poor and middle classes. This person whom you quoted,
obviously believes that people join the Armed forces out of
desperation, or a lack of intelligence. We dont need people with that
mindset making decisions for us all.
Democrats are blantently courting the illiterate, the illegal, and the
unintelligent to vote for them. Unfortunately they outnumber the insane
Christians who vote Republican, and are the lesser of the two evils.
.
User: "Ghod"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 19 Dec 2006 01:21:23 PM
"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1166412875.904514.260070@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...


J Young wrote:

"If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career or

joining

the army to
fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in

Iraq." -

Charles Rangel



Joining the armed forces is often a very intelligent career move.

For whom?

The problem that exists here is that the priviledged do not have to

join

the armed forces to get scholarships, or work experience. This

leaves

battle to the poor and middle classes. This person whom you quoted,
obviously believes that people join the Armed forces out of
desperation, or a lack of intelligence.

You've never been in the military.

We dont need people with that mindset making decisions for us all.

Which mindset?

Democrats are blantently courting the illiterate, the illegal, and

the

unintelligent to vote for them.

You're mistaken, they really aren't courting your illiterate vote.

Unfortunately they outnumber the insane
Christians who vote Republican, and are the lesser of the two evils.

*sigh* Look at this, maybe it'll help.
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=295641614&size=o
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User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 12:17:49 AM
"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in news:1166412875.904514.260070
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:


J Young wrote:

"If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career or joining
the army to
fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq." -
Charles Rangel



Joining the armed forces is often a very intelligent career move.

But not for spoiled presidential daughters who
voice support for the war but have no intention of
serving in it. Or doing anything else that would
crap their busy party schedule, for that matter.
.
User: "Michael Ejercito"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 12:40:52 PM
Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in news:1166412875.904514.260070
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:


J Young wrote:

"If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career or joining
the army to
fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq." -
Charles Rangel



Joining the armed forces is often a very intelligent career move.



But not for spoiled presidential daughters who
voice support for the war but have no intention of
serving in it. Or doing anything else that would
crap their busy party schedule, for that matter.

Do not knock on Chelsea so hard; she was only nineteen.
Michael
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User: "Sam Brown"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 01:11:58 PM
Michael Ejercito wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in news:1166412875.904514.260070
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

J Young wrote:

"If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career or joining
the army to
fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq." -
Charles Rangel


Joining the armed forces is often a very intelligent career move.


But not for spoiled presidential daughters who
voice support for the war but have no intention of
serving in it. Or doing anything else that would
crap their busy party schedule, for that matter.

Do not knock on Chelsea so hard; she was only nineteen.

Sounds like a Peal Jam tune...
.


User: "osprey"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 12:26:41 AM
Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in news:1166412875.904514.260070
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:


J Young wrote:

"If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career or joining
the army to
fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq." -
Charles Rangel



Joining the armed forces is often a very intelligent career move.



But not for spoiled presidential daughters who
voice support for the war but have no intention of
serving in it. Or doing anything else that would
crap their busy party schedule, for that matter.

You can say the same thing for almost EVERY single congressman,
senator, and/or former presidents since almost none of them had a son
and/or daughter serve in a war.
Even Al Gore had protection during his very SHORT time in Vietnam.
BUT, none the less, I respect the fact that at least he did serve and
wore a uniform and was, as far as I know, the ONLY son of a
congressman, senator, and/or president who did go over in a war zone.
Even if he was kept out of harms way and had body guards.
.
User: "Merovingian"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 02:19:59 AM
osprey wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in news:1166412875.904514.260070
@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:


J Young wrote:

"If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career or joining
the army to
fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq." -
Charles Rangel



Joining the armed forces is often a very intelligent career move.



But not for spoiled presidential daughters who
voice support for the war but have no intention of
serving in it. Or doing anything else that would
crap their busy party schedule, for that matter.


You can say the same thing for almost EVERY single congressman,
senator, and/or former presidents since almost none of them had a son
and/or daughter serve in a war.

Even Al Gore had protection during his very SHORT time in Vietnam.

BUT, none the less, I respect the fact that at least he did serve and
wore a uniform and was, as far as I know, the ONLY son of a
congressman, senator, and/or president who did go over in a war zone.
Even if he was kept out of harms way and had body guards.

Yeah!...and he is the only environmentalist with a toxic waste dump on
one of his properties.
And lets not forget about the large campainge contribution he got from
the Chinese Gov.
John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane. His political orientation could be contrued as communist.
Come on people dont you see that we dont have an acceptable choice in
the ranks of either party anymore.?
.
User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 07:56:39 AM
"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:




John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.

When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?
.
User: "Sam Brown"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 10:45:52 AM
Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:



John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.



When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/elec04.prez.kerry.fonda/
(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at
an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar
activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.
Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist
after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)
The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970, shows Fonda at an antiwar rally
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.
Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.
.
User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 03:48:06 PM
Sam Brown <xxx@nospam.net> wrote in news:3Bzhh.70615$Q62.15592
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:



John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.



When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/elec04.prez.kerry.fonda/

(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at
an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar
activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist
after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)

The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970,

That was *two years* BEFORE Fonda went to Vietnam!

Sheesh..........
shows Fonda at an antiwar rally

in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.

Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.

Maybe Kerry should have ventured to Iraq
to shake Saddam's hand while delivering arms
to him the way your hero Rumsfeld it. That
would have everything all right.......
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 10:26:18 PM
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:48:06 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<Noemail@comcast.com> wrote:
[piggybacking]

Sam Brown <xxx@nospam.net> wrote in news:3Bzhh.70615$Q62.15592
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

shows Fonda at an antiwar rally
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War

They SERVED. Where were you?
--
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was not born of a virgin."
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User: "chatnoir"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 23 Dec 2006 04:25:32 AM
Sam Brown wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:



John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.



When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/elec04.prez.kerry.fonda/

(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at
an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar
activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist
after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)

The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970, shows Fonda at an antiwar rally
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.

Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.

But that is not a March together! Is like saying Reaggy and John
Hinckley Jr. were marching together when Hinckley shot Reaggy!
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp
John Kerry
Claim: Photograph shows Senator John Kerry at a 1970 anti-war rally.
Status: True.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2004]
John Kerry sitting behind Jane Fonda during an anti-war rally at Valley
Forge, PA in September 1970
http://67.19.222.106/photos/images/kerry01.jpg
Photo credit: Leif Skoogfors/Corbis
Copyrighted
Origins: This much-traveled photo which purports to show
Massachusetts Senator (and the potential 2004 Democratic nominee for
President) John Kerry at a September 1970 anti-war rally in Valley
Forge, Pennsylvania has been confirmed as genuine. John Kerry appears
in the background of the photo directly above Jane Fonda's head,
sitting about three rows behind the actress. (Some online versions of
this picture mistakenly identify the bearded man to the right of Jane
Fonda as John Kerry.)
This picture comes from a rally held by the Vietnam Veterans Against
the War (VVAW), an anti-war group with which Kerry was affiliated, held
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, on 7 September 1970. Kerry's campaign
has confirmed that he was present at the rally and was a speaker at the
event.
Actress Jane Fonda was also present at the Valley Forge rally (although
she was not yet known as "Hanoi Jane," as her infamous visit to North
Vietnam did not occur until two years later). Kerry's aides have
stressed that John Kerry and Jane Fonda were only acquaintances, and
that the rally was held before the actress' contentious trip to North
Vietnam, an action that Kerry did not support.
Jane Fonda had this to say about the picture:
My reaction is that the American people have had it with the big lie.
Any attempt to link Kerry to me and make him look bad with that
connection is completely false. We were at a rally for veterans at the
same time. I spoke, Donald Sutherland spoke, John Kerry spoke at the
end. I don't even think we shook hands. And they're also saying this
organization, the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, was a Communist
organization. This was an organization of men who risked their lives in
Vietnam, who considered themselves totally patriotic. So anyone who
slams that organization and slams Kerry for being part of it is doing
an injustice to veterans. How can you impugn, how can you even suggest,
that anyone like Kerry or any of these veterans were not patriotic? He
was a hero there.
(A similar but fabricated image has since surfaced on the Internet.)
The New York Times covered the Valley Forge in 1970:
VALLEY FORGE, Pa., Sept. 7 - Chanting "What do you want?" and
answering "Peace now," more than 100 veterans of the war in Vietnam
arrived here today after a four-day march and led 1,500 other people in
demanding an immediate American military withdrawal from South Vietnam.
The marchers, with weary muscles and blistered feet, formed a battle
skirmish line in front of the Washington Memorial Chapel at the state
park here and walked slowly on the wide expanse of the park's rolling
grand parade ground. Their chants were answered by a growing chorus
from the crowd below shouting "Stop the war, stop the war."
The marchers carried with them several black body bags that counted in
white lettering outside the 43,419 men killed in the war.
Then, as the veterans converged on the rally site, they and the
audience joined in the chant "All we are saying is give peace a
chance."
The rally, which was organized by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War,
a Manhattan-based group, ended an 84-mile march that began early Friday
morning outside Morristown, N.J. Along the route, the marchers staged
simulated battle incidents that portrayed alleged American brutality
and war atrocities in Vietnam.
Although other veterans were in the crowd this afternoon, most of the
audience that sprawled on the freshly mowed grass were young persons.
Earlier, as the column moved into the park after marching under a
bright sun from its campsite north of here, a small group of veterans
supporting American military policy in Vietnam established a
counter-demonstration across the street from the chapel. As the line of
marchers moved past, the opposing veterans exchanged insults.
David MacQueen, a 48-year-old member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars
who said he won eight battle stars in the South Pacific in World War
II, held a sign that said "Only the mentally depraved want peace at any
price."
Another supporter of the war, carrying a Confederate flag, shouted
"traitor" and "coward" as the marchers went by.
Among the speakers at the rally were Representative Allard K.
Lowenstein, Democrat of Nassau County; Donald Sutherland, the actor;
Jane Fonda, the actress; Mark Lane, the civil rights and antiwar lawyer
and Charles Bevel, a leader of a black group from Baltimore, which is
marching to the United Nations to protest alleged American genocide in
South Vietnam.
The rally ended when the marchers smashed the toy sub-machine guns they
had carried for the last four days.
Last updated: 12 February 2004
.
User: "Sam Brown"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 23 Dec 2006 12:13:44 PM
chatnoir wrote:

Sam Brown wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:


John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.


When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/elec04.prez.kerry.fonda/

(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at
an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar
activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist
after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)

The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970, shows Fonda at an antiwar rally
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.

Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.


But that is not a March together!

Close enough for gubmint work.
.
User: "chatnoir"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 23 Dec 2006 02:37:14 PM
Sam Brown wrote:

chatnoir wrote:

Sam Brown wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:


John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.


When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/elec04.prez.kerry.fonda/

(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at
an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar
activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist
after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)

The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970, shows Fonda at an antiwar rally
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.

Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.


But that is not a March together!


Close enough for gubmint work.

Or an idiot!
.
User: "Sam Brown"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 23 Dec 2006 03:09:59 PM
chatnoir wrote:

Sam Brown wrote:

chatnoir wrote:

Sam Brown wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.

When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/elec04.prez.kerry.fonda/

(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at
an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar
activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist
after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)

The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970, shows Fonda at an antiwar rally
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.

Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.

But that is not a March together!

Close enough for gubmint work.


Or an idiot!

Why yes you are!
.




User: "Doug Reese"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 19 Dec 2006 09:32:31 AM
Sam Brown wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:



John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.



When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/elec04.prez.kerry.fonda/

(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at
an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar
activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist
after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)

The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970, shows Fonda at an antiwar rally
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.

Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.

The question was "When did Kerry march with Hanoi Jane?"
Not, "When did Kerry sit, a row or two back and 7-8 people over, from
Hanoi Jane?"
Doug Reese
.
User: "Sam Brown"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 19 Dec 2006 11:15:19 AM
Doug Reese wrote:

Sam Brown wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:


John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.


When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/elec04.prez.kerry.fonda/

(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at
an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar
activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist
after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)

The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970, shows Fonda at an antiwar rally
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.

Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.


The question was "When did Kerry march with Hanoi Jane?"

My guess is they walked together too.

Not, "When did Kerry sit, a row or two back

They were both charter members of the commie inspired VVAW.
Now you can read and learn something dojo-brain!
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=Timeline
Late May, 1970 -- John and Julia Kerry travel to Paris on a private
trip. Kerry meets with Madam Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of
the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG) -- the
political wing of the Vietcong -- and with representatives of Hanoi who
were in Paris for the peace talks.
June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a
national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace
and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national
organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to
conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and
poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have
headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive
Secretary Al Hubbard, a former Black Panther, is also on the
coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the
VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
August, 1970 -- Al Hubbard asks Tod Ensign and Jeremy Rifkin of the CCI
to join with the VVAW, the Reverend ***** Fernandez of Clergy and Laymen
Concerned about Vietnam (CALCAV), Jane Fonda, Mark Lane and others to
organize national hearings on war crimes. Lane suggests calling the
hearings "Winter Soldier," a play on the opening lines of Thomas Paine's
The American Crisis: "These are the times that try men's souls. The
summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink for
the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love
and thanks of man and woman." By the end of the month the Winter Soldier
Investigation has been planned as a simultaneous event featuring
"Vietnamese victims" in Windsor, Canada, and Vietnam veterans in
Detroit, connected by closed-circuit television.
September 4, 1970 -- Operation RAW (Rapid American Withdrawal). Some 75
VVAW members begin a three-day hike to Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Along
the way they simulate war atrocities against civilians, and hand out
flyers to townspeople stating that they might have been raped, murdered
or tortured by the U.S. Infantry had they been Vietnamese, and claiming
that "American soldiers do these things every day."
September 7, 1970 -- At the conclusion of Operation RAW, a rally is held
in Valley Forge, featuring speeches by John Kerry, Jane Fonda, and Mark
Lane. Fonda is quoted as saying that "...My Lai was not an isolated
incident but rather a way of life for many of our military."
September 11, 1970 -- A VVAW Executive Committee meeting is attended by
president Jan Crumb, executive secretary Al Hubbard, treasurer Jason
Gettinger, Northeast representative John Kerry, and three others. The
organization leadership decides to picket against the National Guard
Association in New York, send Hubbard on a "speaking tour" with Jane
Fonda, consider an "appropriate induction center action for purpose of
making clear transition from citizen to war criminal," and "sponsor turn
in of war crimes testimony to UN" after the Winter Soldier event.
September 17, 1970 -- The VVAW protests the National Guard's national
convention, handing out flyers that read:
The National Guard Uses Your Tax Dollar:
To support the military-industrial complex
To honor war criminals - Westmoreland, Laird, Nixon, etc.
To applaud campus murders by National Guard units
To encourage armed attacks on minority communities
October, 1970 -- Jane Fonda, Al Hubbard and Jan Crumb raise money for
the VVAW and create new chapters through a nationwide lecture tour
covering more than 50 college campuses. Fonda and Mark Lane also plug
the VVAW during appearances on the ***** Cavett Show.
November 22, 1970 -- Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as
telling a Michigan State University audience, "I would think that if you
understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your
knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal
of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve
peace in Vietnam."
November, 1970 -- After a falling-out between Mark Lane and the CCI
leadership, the CCI splits from the VVAW and drops out of the Winter
Soldier event. The CCI turns to planning a National Veterans Inquiry in
Washington, D.C. in early December. Fonda and Lane continue working with
the VVAW on Winter Soldier.
December 27, 1970 -- In Mark Lane: Smearing America's Soldiers in
Vietnam, reporter and Vietnam veteran Neil Sheehan savages Mark Lane's
Conversations With Americans in the New York Times Book Review as
"irresponsible" and details several fabricated claims of American
atrocities. Publisher Simon & Schuster quickly cancels future printings
of Lane's book.
December 29, 1970 -- Playboy subscribers start receiving the February
1971 issue of the magazine, which contains a full page ad provided for
free to the VVAW by publisher Hugh Hefner. The ad brings in thousands of
new members during the next several weeks.
January, 1971 -- Jane Fonda raises funds for the Winter Soldier
Investigation through a series of benefit concerts. Participants include
Fonda, ***** Gregory, Donald Sutherland, Graham Nash, David Crosby and
Phil Ochs. Fonda is named Honorary National Coordinator of the event.
Late January, 1971 -- Newly elected Congressman Ronald Dellums permits
the CCI to set up a display of "war crime materials" in his Washington
office.
Late January, 1971 -- Canadian authorities deny visas to the Vietnamese
refugees who had been scheduled to describe American atrocities in
Windsor, limiting the Winter Soldier Investigation to the single event
in Detroit.
January 31 - February 2, 1971 -- The Winter Soldier Investigation (see
invitation). Members of the VVAW meet in a Detroit hotel to document war
crimes that they had participated in or witnessed during their combat
tours in Vietnam. During the next three days, more than 100 Vietnam
veterans and 16 civilians give anguished, emotional testimony describing
hundreds of atrocities against innocent civilians in South Vietnam,
including rape, arson, torture, murder, and the shelling or napalming of
entire villages. The witnesses state that these acts are being committed
casually and routinely, under orders, as a matter of policy.
February 2, 1971 -- The VVAW issues a press release threatening civil
unrest and violence if American forces attempt to interdict the Ho Chi
Minh Trail in Laos. Here are some excerpts:
"We, as veterans of the war in Vietnam, give notice that if Laos is
attacked, we will respond at once. We call for mass civil disobedience
to take place all over this country. We call for industry to shut down.
We call upon the students to close the schools. We call upon our
brothers who are still in uniform to close the military bases throughout
America and the world. We call on the anti-war movement to shut down the
major cities of America.... If this be a threat, let us make the most of
it... We have been trained to fight. If need be we will use the
knowledge we have gained against those who are seeking to extend this
war." -- VVAW FBI Files: Section 02, page 66.
Early February, 1971 -- VVAW leaders meet with Vietcong representatives
in Windsor, Canada after the Winter Soldier Investigation.
February 16, 1971 -- Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland form "FTA" (F***
The Army), an anti-war, anti-American road show that tours near Army
bases in order to undermine troop morale. Skits and songs portray
American defeats, soldiers refusing to fight, and the murder of officers
by their troops. FTA cast members mingle with soldiers after the shows,
encouraging them to desert or to sabotage the Army.
February 19, 1971 -- VVAW leaders meet in New York to plan the
organization's next action. John Kerry proposes to "march on Washington
and take this whole thing to Congress." The protest is designated "Dewey
Canyon III," after two military operations into Laos intended to
interdict the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
March 14 - 18, 1971 -- Jane Fonda, Mark Lane, and VVAW representative
Michael Hunter fly to Europe for a five-day tour. In Paris, Fonda meets
privately with Madame Binh of the PRG, then the three activists fly to
London, where Fonda alleges American atrocities that include "applying
electrodes to prisoners' genitals, mass rapes, slicing off of body
parts, scalping, skinning alive, and leaving 'heat tablets' around which
burned the insides of children who ate them.'"
March 16, 1971 -- The VVAW holds a news conference in the office of
Congressman Michael Harrington (D-Mass.) on the third anniversary of the
My Lai massacre to announce the forthcoming protest in Washington, DC.
Retired Marine commandant General David Shoup and John Kerry demand an
immediate end to the war. Kerry, wearing his medals, describes American
soldiers as being "given the chance to die for the biggest nothing in
history."
Early April, 1971 -- The VVAW is flat broke the week before the Dewey
Canyon III event, with no way to transport protestors. In his book "Home
to War," Gerald Nicosia will report that "Kerry immediately got on the
phone to some of the biggest Democratic Party fund-raisers in New York
and set up a meeting. When it broke up, VVAW was $75,000 in the black,
and busfare for at least a few hundred out-of-towners was assured."
Writing in "Winter Soldiers," Richard Stacewicz will cite an FBI
memorandum dated April 13, 1971 as follows, "VVAW had received fifty
thousand dollars from United States Senators McGovern and Hatfield,
who... obtained the money from an unknown New York source."
April 18, 1971 -- John Kerry and Al Hubbard appear on NBC's "Meet the
Press" to allege widespread atrocities by U.S. soldiers in Vietnam.
Hubbard is introduced as a former Air Force captain who had spent two
years in Vietnam and was wounded in action. Kerry seems to admit to
committing war crimes, saying, "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I
would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of
atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took
part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and
interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted
and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took
part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages."
April 18 - 23, 1971 -- Operation Dewey Canyon III. More than a thousand
VVAW members stage an "invasion" of Washington D.C., where they hold
memorial ceremonies, meet with sympathetic members of Congress, camp on
the Mall, perform "guerilla theater" -- re-enactments of atrocities
against civilians, complete with fake blood -- on the Capitol steps and
in front of the Justice Department, and hold a candlelight march around
the White House carrying an upside-down American flag. At the end of the
six-day event, a number of the veterans throw military medals and
ribbons over a fence in front of the Capitol in a gesture of contempt.
Many shout obscenities or threats against the government. The protests
receive enthusiastic coverage in the communist Daily World newspaper on
April 20th (Part 1, Part 2), 21st (Part 1, Part 2), 23rd (Part 1, Part
2), and 24th (Part 1, Part 2). Later in 1971, Kerry and the VVAW will
publish The New Soldier, a book of essays and photographs documenting
the event.
April 22, 1971 -- John Kerry testifies on behalf of the VVAW before the
Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs. He claims that American soldiers
had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from
portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off
limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in
fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan..." and that these acts were "not
isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the
full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Kerry also accuses
the U.S. military of "rampant" racism and of being "more guilty than any
other body" of violating the Geneva Conventions, supports "Madame Binh's
points" when asked to recommend a peace proposal, and states that any
reprisals against the South Vietnamese after an American withdrawal
would be "far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the
United States of America."
April 22, 1971 -- The NBC Nightly News reveals that Al Hubbard had not
been an Air Force Captain, as he claimed, but a staff sergeant E-5. A
later investigation of Hubbard's military records shows that he was
never assigned to Vietnam.
April 24, 1971 -- Hundreds of thousands of protestors march in
Washington, D.C., led by members of the VVAW. Kerry addresses the crowd,
accepting applause on behalf of "the 1,200 active-duty GIs who took part
in the [Dewey Canyon III] demonstration." The Daily World is on the job,
with glowing coverage of the day's events (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4).
April 25 - 28, 1971 -- Congressman Dellums sponsors ad hoc war crimes
hearings organized by the CCI and attended at least in part by twenty
members of Congress.
May 3, 1971 -- VVAW members throw bags of cow manure on the steps of the
Mall Entrance to the Pentagon, then offer to clean up the mess in return
for an audience with an assistant Secretary of Defense. This offer is
rejected, and 28 people are arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.
May 25, 1971 -- Kerry appears on 60 Minutes with Morley Safer. Asked
whether he wants to be President of the United States, Kerry replies in
the negative, and calls it a "crazy question."
May 30-31, 1971 -- Several hundred VVAW members march from Concord to
Boston, reversing the path of Paul Revere's 1775 midnight ride. After
defying a ban on overnight use of Battle Green in Lexington, site of the
first battle of the American Revolution, 458 people are arrested and
held overnight, including John Kerry. The following day the group
marches from Bunker Hill to Boston Common.
June 20, 1971 -- Kerry appears on The ***** Cavett Show to debate Navy
veteran John O'Neill, who is representing the group Vietnam Veterans for
a Just Peace.
July 17, 1971 -- Following a month-long speaking tour of the Soviet
Union and other countries, six VVAW and CCI members meet with PRG
representatives in Paris to show support for the communist peace plan.
July 20, 1971 -- Leaders of the VVAW hold a staff meeting. They agree to
use the designations favored by North Vietnam (Democratic Republic of
Vietnam) and the Vietcong (Provisional Revolutionary Government) for
future press releases, decide to remove all American flags from VVAW
offices, and discuss how best to handle Al Hubbard's planned trip to Hanoi.
July 24, 1971 -- The Daily World features a photograph of John Kerry
speaking in support of the Provisional Revolutionary Government
(Vietcong) Seven Point Plan.
August, 1971 -- The FBI opens a full investigation of the VVAW to
"determine the extent of control over VVAW by subversive groups and/or
violence-prone elements in the antiwar movement," noting that "sources
had provided information that VVAW was stockpiling weapons, VVAW had
been in contact with North Vietnam officials in Paris, France, VVAW was
receiving funds from former CPUSA members and VVAW was aiding and
financing U.S. military deserters. Additionally, information had been
received that some individual chapters throughout the country had been
infiltrated by the youth groups of the CPUSA and the SWP [Socialist
Workers Party]." Source: FBI Memorandum to Senate Select Committee,
12/2/75, pp. 2-3; Hearings, Vol. 6, Exhibit 72.
August, 1971 -- VVAW Executive Committee member Joe Urgo travels with
other antiwar leaders to North Vietnam, where he meets with Prime
Minister Pham Van Dong and others. According to FBI records, (see PDF
file) Urgo makes the following proposals to the communist leaders: 1)
that the VVAW make tapes to be broadcast over Radio Hanoi to get U.S.
troops to stop fighting, and 2) to send a VVAW delegation to Hanoi in
the near future.
August, 1971 -- Kerry travels to Paris to meet with the North Vietnamese
delegation to the Paris Peace Talks. Source: FBI HQ 100-448092 Section
5, 216-231 (esp. 230).
Late August, 1971 -- Kerry and Hubbard meet with leftist millionaires in
East Hampton to promote the VVAW and show film clips of atrocity claims
from the Winter Soldier Investigation. According to the New York Times,
a request for funds had the attendees "scrambling for pens and checkbooks."
Early November, 1971 -- According to FBI records, (see PDF file) Al
Hubbard meets with the North Vietnamese and Vietcong delegations in
Paris. Hubbard's trip comes in response to an invitation to "VVAW,
Communist Party (CP) USA, and left wing group in Paris, name
unrecalled," and is financed by the Communist Party USA.
November 7, 1971 -- John Kerry tells the Sunday Oklahoman that the
political power structure within the United States can and must change
if the nation is to avoid violent efforts to seize power, saying, "If it
(the government) doesn't change we are asking for trouble. If it is not
done, those who are talking about seizing it will have every right to go
after it." [see page 251 of Section 10 of the VVAW FBI files]
November 12 - 15, 1971 -- the VVAW leadership meets in Kansas City.
Fearing surveillance by authorities, the group relocates the meeting to
another building. They debate, then vote down a plan to assassinate
several pro-war U.S. Senators. Despite John Kerry's claim to have left
the VVAW before this event, several witnesses, meeting minutes and FBI
records eventually place Kerry at the Kansas City meeting.
November 15, 1971 -- After trying unsuccessfully to have Al Hubbard
removed from the group's leadership, John Kerry resigns from the
Executive Committee of the VVAW for personal reasons. Kerry will
continue to represent the organization in interviews and public
appearances for several months.
December 26, 1971 -- Fifteen VVAW protesters take over the Statue of
Liberty for some 40 hours and drape an upside-down American flag across
the statue's face. Per the New York Post, the VVAW later receives a
"congratulatory message" from Vietcong negotiator Le Mai in Paris.
December 27, 1971 -- Twenty-five VVAW protesters take over the Betsy
Ross House in Philadelphia.
December 28, 1971 -- 150 VVAW protesters splash bags of blood in front
of the White House, then take over the Lincoln Memorial. 87 are
arrested. John Kerry tells the New York Times that he is helping raise
bail money for some of the demonstrators.
January 11, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at Dartmouth College.
January 25, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "People's
State of the Union" in Washington, D.C.
February, 1972 -- A VVAW delegation attends a World Assembly for Peace
and Independence of the People of Indo-China in Versailles, France.
March, 1972 -- VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard visits Hanoi and
meets with North Vietnamese Vice-Premier Nguyen Duy Trinh.
April 22, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "Emergency March
for Peace" in Bryant Park in New York City.
June 25 - 28, 1972 -- The VVAW sent a delegation of 15 people to Paris
"to establish closer contact with the people of Indo-China." Their
international travel and stay in Paris was paid for by the French
Communist Party. [FBI HQ 100-448092 Section 34, page 36]
July 1, 1972 -- Kerry is transferred to the Standby Reserve (inactive).
July 5, 1972 -- In Cuba, Radio Havana reports that a group of visiting
VVAW members and leaders has donated blood to be given to the North
Vietnamese.
July 8 - 22, 1972 -- Jane Fonda visits Hanoi, where she makes numerous
radio broadcasts to American and South Vietnamese military personnel
encouraging mutiny and desertion, while repeatedly claiming that the
United States is committing war crimes in Vietnam. Fonda also visits
American prisoners, reporting on the air that they are being "well cared
for" and that they wished to convey their "sense of disgust of the war
and their shame for what they have been asked to do." Upon leaving North
Vietnam, Fonda accepts from her hosts a ring made from the wreckage of a
downed American plane.
July 29 - August 12, 1972 -- Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark
travels to Hanoi on behalf of the communist Stockholm International
Commission for Inquiry. Clark denounces the U.S. bombing of North
Vietnam and visits American POWs, reporting that they are in good health
and their conditions "could not be better."
August 1972 -- The VVAW's Operation Lost Patrol, publicized as "a
massive caravan of 25,000 cars and 100,000 persons traveling to Miami to
protest the Republican Convention" only attracts 300 members.
September 18, 1972 -- John Kerry's brother Cameron and Vietnam veteran
Thomas Vallely are arrested in Lowell, Massachusetts in the basement of
a building that houses both Kerry's campaign headquarters and those of
opposing candidate Tony DiFruscia. Cameron Kerry and Vallely are charged
with breaking and entering with intent to commit larceny. Kerry will win
the Democratic nomination for a Massachusetts congressional seat the
next day, but lose in the general election to Republican Paul Cronin.
Thomas Vallely will later become director of the Vietnam Program at the
John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University.
Late 1972 -- The U.S Congress votes to eliminate funding for military
operations in Indochina.
January, 1973 -- The Nixon Administration signs the Treaty of Paris.
February and March, 1973 -- American prisoners of war are released by
North Vietnam. They report having been starved, beaten and tortured by
their captors, in an effort to make them sign documents in which they
admitted to committing war crimes.
April, 1973 -- Jane Fonda calls the freed American prisoners "hypocrites
and pawns," insisting that, "Tortured men do not march smartly off
planes, salute the flag, and kiss their wives. They are liars. I also
want to say that these men are not heroes."
April 19 - 22, 1973 -- Now dominated by the Maoist Revolutionary Union
(RU), the VVAW is renamed Vietnam Veterans Against the War / Winter
Soldier Organization (VVAW/WSO) to focus on fighting "American imperialism."
Fall, 1974 -- North Vietnam initiates minor probing attacks into South
Vietnam, in violation of the Paris treaty. There is no military response
by the United States.
Early 1975 -- North Vietnam launches a massive invasion of South Vietnam.
April 30, 1975 -- Saigon falls.
1975 - 1979 -- Communist regimes in southeast Asia murder an estimated
two million Cambodians, as well as tens of thousands of South
Vietnamese. One million South Vietnamese are imprisoned in "re-education
camps," and hundreds of thousands die there. An additional two million
flee the country, with many drowning in the attempt.
1978 -- The original VVAW splits when a minority breaks away to form
Vietnam Veterans Against the War Anti-Imperialist (VVAW-AI), with the
larger faction retaining the original name. Both the VVAW and the
rabidly anti-American VVAWAI remain in operation today.
1978 -- Former VVAW leader Robert Muller founds the Vietnam Veterans of
America (VVA). The VVA also describes John Kerry as a "co-founder" of
the organization. In the late 1980s, Muller and the Vietnam Veterans of
America Foundation (VVAF) will split from the VVA.
1981 -- Muller leads a VVAF delegation to Hanoi, where he praises the
communist leadership of Vietnam and lays a wreath on the grave of Ho Chi
Minh.
.


User: "Larry Scratch"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 08:06:59 PM
Sam Brown wrote:

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:



John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.



When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/elec04.prez.kerry.fonda/

(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at
an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar
activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist
after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)

The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970, shows Fonda at an antiwar rally
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.

Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.

You can always tell when the Anti-Americans lie. Their lips move :)
--
http://www.highvolumemedia.com/thebullhorn/WarOnTerror/ClintonsFailures/
.

User: "Bill M"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 01:31:53 PM
The Vietnam War was like the Iraq war. It was politically motivated and
accomplished nothing but killing 55,000.
American soldiers and a half million Vietnamese.
We should praise and thank those that opposed and tried to stop it!
"Sam Brown" <xxx@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:3Bzhh.70615$Q62.15592@fe12.news.easynews.com...

Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Merovingian" <BellaCasa_321@msn.com> wrote in
news:1166429999.741769.194590@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:



John Kerry was decorated war veteran who then launched a political
career by slamming his fellow men and women in uniform. Marching with
Hanoi Jane.



When did Kerry march with "Hanoi Jane"?


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/elec04.prez.kerry.fonda/

(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at
an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar
activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist
after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)

The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970, shows Fonda at an antiwar rally
in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called
Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.

Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.

.
User: "Lobby Dosser"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 07:22:03 PM
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:

The Vietnam War was like the Iraq war. It was politically motivated and
accomplished nothing but killing 55,000.
American soldiers and a half million Vietnamese.

We should praise and thank those that opposed and tried to stop it!

And what, precisely, are YOU DOING to end the Iraq war?
.
User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 07:38:27 PM
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:22:03 GMT, in alt.atheism
Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in
<%8Hhh.932$Ei5.357@trndny05>:

"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:

The Vietnam War was like the Iraq war. It was politically motivated and
accomplished nothing but killing 55,000.
American soldiers and a half million Vietnamese.

We should praise and thank those that opposed and tried to stop it!


And what, precisely, are YOU DOING to end the Iraq war?

Vote for opponents of the war.
Point out the lies of the defenders of the war.
Eventually enough citizens will make it clear to all but the most dense
Republican that since Bush has no idea what he is doing, the only way to
be re-elected is to have our troops home by Nov 2008.
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User: "Lobby Dosser"

Title: Re: The Despicable Liberal Quote Of The Week 18 Dec 2006 08:13:53 PM
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:22:03 GMT, in alt.atheism
Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:

The Vietnam War was like the Iraq war. It was politically motivated
and accomplished nothing but killing 55,000.
American soldiers and a half million Vietnamese.

We should praise and thank those that opposed and tried to stop it!


And what, precisely, are YOU DOING to end the Iraq war?


Vote for opponents of the war.

Oh WOW!


Point out the lies of the defenders of the war.

MORE WOW!
IOW, you have taken the ZERO RISK route. Vietnam did not get ended by
'voting' and 'pointing out the lies'.


Eventually enough citizens will make it clear to all but the most
dense Republican that since Bush has no idea what he is doing, the
only way to be re-elected is to have our troops home by Nov 2008.

Wait to see Just What your Demos do with congress.


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User: "Curt"