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"RRoman Piso" |
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22 Dec 2003 08:04:46 PM |
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The End of Christianity? |
Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
I think that there is more and more evidence which shows it to be a
fraud and that the evidence is mounting to such a degree that the
truth about it simply can no longer be denied.
There is more. Besides whatever evidence there is or will be soon,
there is also the deminishing 'need' for the belief in a God and the
saving of souls. Why is this? Because science is on the verge of
finding ways that will allow us all to live forever anyway. That means
that we would then be able to make a heaven on earth for ourselves and
never have to worry about dying. Thus, such belief will be rendered
obsolete.
Cheers!
Roman (The Roman Piso Forum)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
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| User: "Red Dragon" |
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23 Dec 2003 06:12:42 AM |
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There is more. Besides whatever evidence there is or will be soon,
there is also the deminishing 'need' for the belief in a God and the
saving of souls. Why is this? Because science is on the verge of
finding ways that will allow us all to live forever anyway. That means
that we would then be able to make a heaven on earth for ourselves and
never have to worry about dying. Thus, such belief will be rendered
obsolete.
Cheers!
Roman (The Roman Piso Forum)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
Hate to disappoint you but the Evolution Theory does not allow for any
living things to live forever. Every living things must one day make way
for its offspring to take its place on earth according to the law of
Natural Selection. This means that the offspring will appear with traits
more capable to survive in the ever changing environment. The Life Cycle is
part of Evolution which had affect every living organism through the past
600 million years. The aging process can be lengthened but can never be
stopped.
Khoon.
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| User: "RRoman Piso" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Christianity? |
23 Dec 2003 01:14:20 PM |
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"Red Dragon" <tasek@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message news:<bs9g2h$1bi$1@news5.jaring.my>...
There is more. Besides whatever evidence there is or will be soon,
there is also the deminishing 'need' for the belief in a God and the
saving of souls. Why is this? Because science is on the verge of
finding ways that will allow us all to live forever anyway. That means
that we would then be able to make a heaven on earth for ourselves and
never have to worry about dying. Thus, such belief will be rendered
obsolete.
Cheers!
Roman (The Roman Piso Forum)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
Hate to disappoint you but the Evolution Theory does not allow for any
living things to live forever. Every living things must one day make way
for its offspring to take its place on earth according to the law of
Natural Selection. This means that the offspring will appear with traits
more capable to survive in the ever changing environment. The Life Cycle is
part of Evolution which had affect every living organism through the past
600 million years. The aging process can be lengthened but can never be
stopped.
Khoon.
Ah, Red Dragon, I KNOW what you are talking about and I too that that
this would be impossible because of that fact. However, we are now
able to manipulate life and nature. They way around this is that SOME
creature still die while only one or SOME live forever. We no longer
need to rely upon nature for our evolution. I am talking about what
human beings have been evolving TO.
About the aging process, in case you are not aware of it, there are
now ways around that. There are actually many ways around that. One
way would be have new bodies grown for us to use once our 'regular'
bodies grow old. People will understand more and more that our bodies
are actually only vehicles (like cars) and that when they wear out or
get old, we can get new ones. But there are other ways as I had said
above. And that is to genetically engineer bodies for ourselves that
are nearly indestructable and that WILL be able to live for an
extraordinary length of time. Actually, all of these ways will
probably be used in combination with each other.
The 'aging gene' has been isolated. That means that it can be
manipulated. At some point, scientists will probably be able to set
our aging 'clock' so that it NEVER runs down - or at least so that we
only have to go in and have our aging clock re-set every so often. You
really should keep up on your science.
Cheers!
Roman
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| User: "raven1" |
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22 Dec 2003 10:56:18 PM |
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On 22 Dec 2003 18:04:46 -0800, (RRoman Piso)
wrote:
Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
Did I say that I thought that?
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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24 Dec 2003 12:37:07 AM |
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:56:18 -0500, raven1
<cflpurqryrcunag@synfuznvy.pbz> wrote:
On 22 Dec 2003 18:04:46 -0800, (RRoman Piso)
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Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
Did I say that I thought that?
None of us did. The Piso troll is back with his weird 'history' again.
Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action,
rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith.
Banish me from Eden when you will, but first let
me eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. For
happiness is the only good, reason the only torch,
justice the only worship, and love the only priest.
- Robert Green Ingersoll
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| User: "RRoman Piso" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Christianity? |
23 Dec 2003 12:57:31 PM |
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raven1 <cflpurqryrcunag@synfuznvy.pbz> wrote in message news:<qmifuvcs0h6vijj9k33mgl28fe09j9sofa@4ax.com>...
On 22 Dec 2003 18:04:46 -0800, (RRoman Piso)
wrote:
Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
Did I say that I thought that?
Hello there raven1, the question was put to atheists who have observed
things aobut Christianity and the world so as to have an opinion about
this. If you don't think that Christianity is coming to an end, then
you are free to say that as well. Cheers!
Roman
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
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| User: "raven1" |
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24 Dec 2003 10:32:56 PM |
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On 23 Dec 2003 10:57:31 -0800, (RRoman Piso)
wrote:
raven1 <cflpurqryrcunag@synfuznvy.pbz> wrote in message news:<qmifuvcs0h6vijj9k33mgl28fe09j9sofa@4ax.com>...
On 22 Dec 2003 18:04:46 -0800, (RRoman Piso)
wrote:
Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
Did I say that I thought that?
Hello there raven1, the question was put to atheists who have observed
things aobut Christianity and the world so as to have an opinion about
this. If you don't think that Christianity is coming to an end, then
you are free to say that as well. Cheers!
Cheers to you too, but if you intend a question to be answered by
"atheists who have observed things aobut Christianity and the world so
as to have an opinion about this", it might help to direct it
specifically to them, rather than to "everyone".
BTW, your conspiracy theory about Christianity's origin is amusing. Do
you also think the Jews/Freemasons/Illuminati/Trilateral
Commission/Skull & Bones/Bilderberg Group secretly control the world?
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Christianity? |
22 Dec 2003 11:07:27 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:04:46 +1100, RRoman Piso wrote
(in message <ce86c725.0312221804.6365ff30@posting.google.com>):
Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
Same reason I suspect you'll stop beating your wife soon.
I think that there is more and more evidence which shows it to be a
fraud and that the evidence is mounting to such a degree that the
truth about it simply can no longer be denied.
God is just playing tricks to test their faith.
There is more. Besides whatever evidence there is or will be soon,
there is also the deminishing 'need' for the belief in a God and the
saving of souls. Why is this? Because science is on the verge of
Another test.
finding ways that will allow us all to live forever anyway. That means
Really? I thought thermodynamics had us pretty-much bang to
rights.
that we would then be able to make a heaven on earth for ourselves and
never have to worry about dying. Thus, such belief will be rendered
obsolete.
Why bother cheering the (perceived) demise of one religion by
building the foundations of another?
Have Fun
Martin
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| User: "RRoman Piso" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Christianity? |
23 Dec 2003 01:03:08 PM |
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Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message news:<0001HW.BC0E18BF02BE3856F0284600@news.ozemail.com.au>...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:04:46 +1100, RRoman Piso wrote
(in message <ce86c725.0312221804.6365ff30@posting.google.com>):
Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
Same reason I suspect you'll stop beating your wife soon.
I think that there is more and more evidence which shows it to be a
fraud and that the evidence is mounting to such a degree that the
truth about it simply can no longer be denied.
God is just playing tricks to test their faith.
There is more. Besides whatever evidence there is or will be soon,
there is also the deminishing 'need' for the belief in a God and the
saving of souls. Why is this? Because science is on the verge of
Another test.
finding ways that will allow us all to live forever anyway. That means
Really? I thought thermodynamics had us pretty-much bang to
rights.
that we would then be able to make a heaven on earth for ourselves and
never have to worry about dying. Thus, such belief will be rendered
obsolete.
Why bother cheering the (perceived) demise of one religion by
building the foundations of another?
Have Fun
Martin
Oh, Martin. I really was hoping for some serious replies. Why must
jokers let out their frustrations by posting in newsgroups? I don't
think that making a 'heaven' (i.e. paradise) for ourselves while we
are alive is a religion. I think that we should be responsible and be
the caretakers of the earth and the rest of the universe; and to do
that, we must enjoy our lives so that we will be able to 'thrive'.
That, is not a religion. That is simply the way that we should be in
order to do what we need to.
Cheers!
Roman
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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23 Dec 2003 07:03:48 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 6:03:08 +1100, RRoman Piso wrote
(in message <ce86c725.0312231103.12a9eb2b@posting.google.com>):
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
news:<0001HW.BC0E18BF02BE3856F0284600@news.ozemail.com.au>...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:04:46 +1100, RRoman Piso wrote
(in message <ce86c725.0312221804.6365ff30@posting.google.com>):
Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
Same reason I suspect you'll stop beating your wife soon.
I think that there is more and more evidence which shows it to be a
fraud and that the evidence is mounting to such a degree that the
truth about it simply can no longer be denied.
God is just playing tricks to test their faith.
There is more. Besides whatever evidence there is or will be soon,
there is also the deminishing 'need' for the belief in a God and the
saving of souls. Why is this? Because science is on the verge of
Another test.
finding ways that will allow us all to live forever anyway. That means
Really? I thought thermodynamics had us pretty-much bang to
rights.
that we would then be able to make a heaven on earth for ourselves and
never have to worry about dying. Thus, such belief will be rendered
obsolete.
Why bother cheering the (perceived) demise of one religion by
building the foundations of another?
Have Fun
Martin
Oh, Martin. I really was hoping for some serious replies. Why must
jokers let out their frustrations by posting in newsgroups? I don't
While my flippancy may not be what you were after, the final
question was actually semi-serious.
think that making a 'heaven' (i.e. paradise) for ourselves while we
are alive is a religion. I think that we should be responsible and be
"allow us all to live forever anyway" and "never have to worry
about dying" = *****. They are exactly the sort of lies that
underlie 'heaven'. Will falling into a vat of conc H2SO4 be
harmless in this world? Will jumping from a plane at 25,000feet
and having both shutes fail somehow not result in a shallow but
wide red mark on the ground? Will deciding to climb Everest nude
not result in a quick death from hypothermia?
the caretakers of the earth and the rest of the universe; and to do
and the rest of the universe? ROFL. "You there, yes you, the
bug-eyed monster, Andomeda Galaxy has a strict no littering
policy. Pick it up!"
that, we must enjoy our lives so that we will be able to 'thrive'.
That, is not a religion. That is simply the way that we should be in
order to do what we need to.
Fine, reword it without the lies, we aren't children.
Have Fun
Martin
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| User: "RRoman Piso" |
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23 Jan 2004 03:40:03 PM |
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Hello Martin,
Here is the reality of what we are dealing with when it comes to
Christianity:
In case I did not make it clear, religion is an invention of ancient
royals. And since those royals invented the idea of gods and religion,
they were in reality atheists only pretending to be religious. And
those who created Christianity were even much worse than their
ancestors who wrote the books of the Old Testament.
The people who wrote the New Testament pretended to be good and holy
people who believed what they were writing about. The fact of the
matter is that they were BAD atheists. And they were VERY bad people
because they would rape, torture and kill many, many people. They
owned and mistreated slaves. They even molested and killed children.
They did horrible, unspeakable acts. During their war with the Jews,
they would used dung to make 'bread' with so that they could sling it
over the walls of Jerusalem where the Jews were starving to death. And
they collected urine, put it in containers and slung that over the
walls while saying, "here is some 'wine' to have with your bread!"
These were horrible people.
Why do I want people to hear the OTHER side of the Christian religion?
Because those same people who endured all of that torture and killing
were people who were fighting AGAINST those bad atheists. And their
goals were GOOD one. They were fighting for the sake of all humanity.
They were in that war with all that they had so that they might be
able to abolish slavery, guarantee the people basic human rights, and
to change the government into a Just, Fair and Democratic one instead
of one in which ALL the power belonged ONLY to royals.
Those are the people who fought and endured it all for YOUR sake, not
a fictional creation of the bad atheists! They are the REAL heroes of
that time and they should be recognized for all that they gave for the
sake of all humanity. To do less, would not be in the least fair to
them. THEY are the ones who were crucified and died for you. Not
'Jesus' who was a composite character created by one of the most
terrible people that the world has ever known. The person that created
Jesus and Christianity makes Hitler pale by comparison.
Regards, Roman
The Roman Piso Forum
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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23 Jan 2004 07:51:05 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 8:40:03 +1100, RRoman Piso wrote
(in message <ce86c725.0401231340.44dd4114@posting.google.com>):
Hello Martin,
Here is the reality of what we are dealing with when it comes to
Christianity:
In case I did not make it clear, religion is an invention of ancient
royals.
Hasty generalisation - unless you can show this has always been
the case for the rise of a religion [and on your definition of
'religion']. ISTM religion (or at least spiritualism, if you
regard that as not-religion) has arisen in pretty-much every
ancient population that reached an orgnisational level that
allowed differentiation of labour beyond basic gender roles.
And since those royals invented the idea of gods and religion,
they were in reality atheists only pretending to be religious. And
Only if they did so in an environment without an existing
religious tradition, otherwise you need to show they weren't
genuine reformists.
those who created Christianity were even much worse than their
ancestors who wrote the books of the Old Testament.
I'm not convinced sufficient is known about the 'authors' of
Judaism to make this statement more than a just-so story.
The people who wrote the New Testament pretended to be good and holy
people who believed what they were writing about. The fact of the
matter is that they were BAD atheists. And they were VERY bad people
because they would rape, torture and kill many, many people. They
owned and mistreated slaves. They even molested and killed children.
How do you determine whether a person is 'bad'? Surely it is only
possible in cases where you can compare their behaviours with
those they were raised to consider 'good' behaviours. [e.g. drug
possession laws vary by jurisdiction - what would make me a 'bad'
person in some places in the US (sufficient to be temporarily
deprived of liberty), is /almost/ socially acceptable here (slap
on the wrist, at most).]
If you were raised to consider dwarves (to pick an arbitrary
minority) 'less than human', would actions against dwarves be
'bad'?
Is voluntarily (even eagerly) eating the flesh and/or organs of a
dead human by another human 'good' or 'bad'? [istm it is obviously
bad because of possible health effects. But then screening of
carcasses could eliminate most (all known) risks... 'morally' it
would, imo, depend on how I was raised - I've been raised with the
'religioesque' notion that canibalism is 'disgusting' and 'wrong'
and 'bad', so that is how I'm biased to regard it.]
They did horrible, unspeakable acts. During their war with the Jews,
they would used dung to make 'bread' with so that they could sling it
over the walls of Jerusalem where the Jews were starving to death. And
they collected urine, put it in containers and slung that over the
walls while saying, "here is some 'wine' to have with your bread!"
These were horrible people.
I take it this was before the Geneva Conventions were drafted? Is
the current use of anti-personnel mines in warfare 'good' or
'bad'?
The things these people did may have been horrible, but istm that
doesn't make /them/ horrible, or at least no more so than what
happens now in war and what would happen more if not for things
such as the Geneva Conventions. People, when not restricted, tend
to be fairly nasty; our cultural socialisation restricts us, in
part by making us view these things as 'horrible' and 'bad'.
Why do I want people to hear the OTHER side of the Christian religion?
Because those same people who endured all of that torture and killing
were people who were fighting AGAINST those bad atheists. And their
This is the Jews?
goals were GOOD one. They were fighting for the sake of all humanity.
They were fighting for their views and reasons, I doubt /vey much/
that their goals were as noble as you suggest.
They were in that war with all that they had so that they might be
able to abolish slavery, guarantee the people basic human rights, and
to change the government into a Just, Fair and Democratic one instead
of one in which ALL the power belonged ONLY to royals.
This is still the Jews?
Those are the people who fought and endured it all for YOUR sake, not
a fictional creation of the bad atheists! They are the REAL heroes of
And like Jeebus, I didn't ask them to, they didn't know me => the
statement, 'for [my] sake', is emotionally charged rhetoric.
[Presumably you're talking about times before my
great-great-great-grandfather was transported for life for
sheep-stealing, upon which my birth was contingent. So, were they
fighting so my ancestor could steal sheep? Or were they fighting
so his country could issue death-sentences for trivial crimes (his
original sentence was to be hung until dead)? If they were
fighting 'for me' surely they must have been fighting for those
things that enabled me to be?]
It's remarks in this vein that prompted my earlier remarks about
replacing one religion with another.
that time and they should be recognized for all that they gave for the
sake of all humanity. To do less, would not be in the least fair to
them. THEY are the ones who were crucified and died for you. Not
'Jesus' who was a composite character created by one of the most
If you think I'm pro-christian, or religion in general, you're
very much mistaken.
As above, it wasn't for me, it was for themselves; for their aims,
values, and goals - yes, that may have included idyllic sentiments
such as 'for the future of mankind', that doesn't make it "for
me".
terrible people that the world has ever known. The person that created
Jesus and Christianity makes Hitler pale by comparison.
You've heard of Godwin? [Sorry, I don't buy the direction of that
comparison.]
Have Fun
Martin
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03 Feb 2004 12:35:48 PM |
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Think about it.
What is Christianity without The Revelation? How could it continue if
The Revelation is exposed as not even being a religious document?
That is why research on The Revelation has been so important. And why,
it has been one of the main areas of research that I have paid
attention to.
How can one take seriously, a text in which one finds many puns and
plays on words, and also references to other non-biblical texts? When
one finds a bounty of material which consists of not 'God inspired'
lines and passages, but instead, show the deliberate useage of very
complex literary devices, what is one to think? The realization sinks
in that this is NOT a religious text, not a 'holy' document, but a
piece of literature which was crafted in a very deliberate manner.
Here is an example of what I mean...
Knowing what we now do about the New Testament, and particularly The
Revelation, what we see in our examination reveals the true nature of
these texts. For instance, how can it be that the New Testament is
'holy' and yet, the very authors of it were doing very unholy things
with the texts that they were writing? There are many examples of
this. Here is one which is in The Revelation.
We are going to call this the "About To Die" phrase in The Revelation.
This is where the author of The Revelation alludes to a popular phrase
in a secular literary work. Compare the two and see if you do not
agree that this was done deliberately by the author:
In Suetonius' The Twelve Caesars, in the section on Claudius,* the
following line is given;
"Hail Caesar! We who are about to die, salute you!
Rev. 3:2; "... those that are about to die (salute you!)."
The very reason that all of these things have remained hidden for so
long is because of the various literary devices that the authors had
employed. One of those was to merely "infer" meaning. And the inferred
meaning cannot be known to a person who is not familiar with a number
of literary works of that time and/or an earlier period. The fact of
the matter in this case is that the two lines are actually much more
similar than they appear above. This is because the 'word' that was
used to denote "those that" is simply a Greek alpha, which, can also
mean "We who" as is found in Suetonius.
Now, we are going to do a little logical deduction. Using our powers
of deductive reasoning, who wrote their line first? Suetonius? Or
Julius Piso? It was Suetonius. Why? How do we know this? Because his
is a complete sentence, with a specific meaning given. While the line
found in The Revelation requires a person to already know the line in
Suetonius so that they understand the inferred meaning (i.e. what it
actually refers to).
* (Ref. Suetonius, 'The Twelve Caesars', Claudius, Penguin Classics,
pg. 195).
Cheers!
Roman (The Roman Piso Forum)
http://forums.delphiforums.com
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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23 Dec 2003 10:23:14 AM |
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RRoman Piso wrote:
Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
(snip)
Because the species, homo sapiens will be extinct soon. I am thinking
soon on a cosmic time scale, of course.
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| User: "RRoman Piso" |
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24 Dec 2003 05:31:14 PM |
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John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message news:<3FE86C3A.BF8BA52D@rica.net>...
RRoman Piso wrote:
Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
(snip)
Because the species, homo sapiens will be extinct soon. I am thinking
soon on a cosmic time scale, of course.
Hello John, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Yes, you see things as
they really are by acknowledging that we are just that - a species.
And also, I too agree that we have just about gone as far as we can in
our present form. There are must better bodies that we could be using.
As I say, our bodies are very much like vehicles. And we should start
to think of them at least in part, that way.
More people are becoming skeptical of the Bible and of religion in
general, so says a report discussed in Newsweek. What accounts for
this phenomenon? There are several reason that have been pointed out
by different people. Some say that people have become disenchanted
with the Bible when nothing happened when the beginning of a new
millennium did not start off with an Armageddon and a rapture.
But the truth is, that many people had not thought of one simple
thing, the so-called ‘millennium’ or thousand years was
not even supposed to have been in OUR time. A thousand years from when
The Revelation was written would have happened after the LAST
millennium. Thus, people started to re-think their beliefs. As more
and more people start examining themselves and what they choose to
believe as truth or fact, they are, as a result, becoming more
skeptical.
Most people who choose to believe in one religion or another are
actually doing so in an arbitrary manner. They do so in a way that
they should never choose anything and that is without basing their
decisions on fact or within reality with reason and responsibility.
Instead, those people tend to choose what they do based upon their
emotions and/or what they, personally, can relate to in some sense. As
people start to re-think what they choose to believe, they discover
things that they would not have otherwise have known.]
When people believe in certain things, such as religion, it is
generally a part of that religion that one cannot question or be
critical of that belief in any way. That really means that in order to
believe what they do, they must close their minds off from anything
that would challenge or expose that belief as a fraud. Thus, the
result is that they are no longer in control of their own minds. And
this can be dangerous to everyone. Not being in control of one’s
own thoughts is a prerequisite to disaster. It also means that those
people cannot be trusted or responsible as they are no longer able to
tell the difference between what is real and what is not. Their minds
no longer work in a logical way. They are like "loose canons."
What most people have not realized as dangerous is the fact that what
happens to the mind when it is no longer based in fact and reason, is
that it has then become ‘diseased’ and it is a
degenerative disease. That means that though one may think that it is
doing no harm to anyone, that it does get worse as time goes on.
An example of what happens to people who think in irrational terms is
that their minds begin to fixate upon certain things as
‘priorities’ - yet, those priorities may well be insane.
Such are the examples of people who had been thought of as ‘good
people’ until they eventually "snapped." I am talking about
people who became misguided leaders of the "faithful," such as Jim
Jones and the like.
And of those people who thought that they were doing a good deed by
bombing family planning clinics (to them, ‘abortion
clinics’). And also of those people who thought that they were
‘saving’ their children by killing them before they could
grow up to be sinful. All of these absolutely insane things were
committed by people who were, before losing control of their own
minds, were quite normal, reasonable people. People who "become
religious," as we say, progress (or rather deteriorate) into that
mental disease that causes people to think in irrational terms and do
insane things.
So, what say YOU? Have you gone down this path of no return, or have
you avoided it altogether? Are you in a state of recovery from
religious thought? Or do you know someone who has lost their mind to
religion? Do you have any stories about what religion can do to people
that you can share with us here?
Roman
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
http://www.angelfire.com/wi2/eduarticles
http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/piso
http://www.webspawner.com/users/nttexts
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| Title: Re: The End of Christianity? |
24 Dec 2003 08:43:50 PM |
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RRoman Piso wrote:
John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message news:<3FE86C3A.BF8BA52D@rica.net>...
RRoman Piso wrote:
Hello everyone, why do YOU think that the end of Christianity is going
to happen sometime soon?
(snip)
Because the species, homo sapiens will be extinct soon. I am thinking
soon on a cosmic time scale, of course.
Hello John, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Yes, you see things as
they really are by acknowledging that we are just that - a species.
And also, I too agree that we have just about gone as far as we can in
our present form.
(snip)
I said no such thing, but it is not important enough to argue about.
More people are becoming skeptical of the Bible and of religion in
general, so says a report discussed in Newsweek. What accounts for
this phenomenon?
(snip)
I credit free communication such as is happening here, for some of the
progress.
(snip)
So, what say YOU? Have you gone down this path of no return, or have
you avoided it altogether? Are you in a state of recovery from
religious thought? Or do you know someone who has lost their mind to
religion? Do you have any stories about what religion can do to people
that you can share with us here?
I was born atheist, and was quickly converted to the Roman Catholic
faith by very well meaning parents and was a good practicing Catholic
well into my teens. But when I lost my faith, it precipitated a BIG
DISCUSSION with my whole family one Saturday night.
I have seen many families torn apart by such tensions, but this event
turned out to be my families proudest moment in my eyes. After hours
of sometimes heated but always respectful argument we arrived at a
consensus that our faith was not defensible and only seemed to make
sense if unexamined. That was the last day we considered ourselves to
be Catholics. Since then members of my family have followed different
paths, including one of them returning to the Catholic church after
marrying a Catholic. But we continue to respect each other's
choices. I feel honored to be a member of this clan.
--
John Popelish
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| User: "RRoman Piso" |
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07 Jan 2004 01:35:08 AM |
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Hello John,
The end of Christianity is something which will happen because the
people who had created it meant it to end someday in the future from
their time. They gave us ways in which to find out not only what they
had done, but also who they were. They wanted to be able to claim
credit for it.
Here are some of the key proofs which we have discovered so far. You
may not understand their meaning to the subject if you are not a
scholar. But this information is big to those who know what it means.
SOME KEY PROOFS OF THE FRAUD
Earlier this evening I had talked with Abelard Reuchlin and he had
informed me of another proof that he had found regarding the fraud
which was perpetrated by the creators of Christianity. I'd like to
point out to you some of the main proofs that we have thus far and
then I will speak of the one which Reuchlin had told me about - which
is a major proof.
(1) The deliberate misspelling of 'stone' in Flavius Josephus' Jewish
Wars. This is where Josephus writes his passage about a stone which is
being hurled over the wall by the Romans at the Jews on the other
side. He says, "The stone cometh!" However, he deliberately misspells
the word 'stone' and makes it 'son'. So that he is actually ridiculing
the Jews by saying "The son cometh!" In other words, he was saying
that his creation, Jesus, is coming. The meaning is that by using his
created alter-ego Jesus, he will totally defeat the Jews.
(2) The Talmud has a passage that says; "The Temple was destroyed by
nothing." But the writer of that passage deliberately used a word for
'nothing' that spells "ha min" by switching the letters around, which
is what the Jews called Arrius Piso and his family.
(3) The Talmud has Arrius Piso's full name inserted in different
places by using variants of his names. The Jews could read his name as
it really was because they could drop and insert vowels in those
names. So, in the Talmud, we find Arrius Piso's name; Arrius
Calpurnius Piso.
(4) Abelard Reuchlin is the one who found all of these proofs. He
called and told me about this one. He said that St. Jerome, writing as
Paulus Arosius (circa 420 AD/CE) says; "the Roman attack on the Temple
was led (commanded) by Joseph the Jew (i.e. Josephus, aka Arrius
Piso), who had been forgiven by Vespasian for prophesying (that) he
would become Emperor." So you know, St. Jerome was a descendant of
Arrius Piso and what he says here under the name of Paulus Arosius
amounts to an admission that Josephus (aka Arrius Piso) was of Jewish
ancestry, but that he was actually on the side of the Romans (a Roman
commander) during the war. Thus, he was pretending to have been a Jew
who was fighting against the Romans! This is an actual admission by a
descendant of Arrius Piso that as Josephus, he is identified as a
Roman commander (general) during the war in which the Temple had been
destroyed!
Cheers!
Roman (The Roman Piso Forum)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
http://www.webspawner.com/users/pisoforum
http://www.webspawner.com/users/nttexts
John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message news:<3FEA4F2F.8B5C1B00@rica.net>...
<snip>
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| User: "Kermit" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Christianity? |
08 Jan 2004 09:16:17 PM |
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RRoman Piso wrote:
Hello John,
The end of Christianity is something which will happen because the
people who had created it meant it to end someday in the future from
their time. They gave us ways in which to find out not only what they
had done, but also who they were. They wanted to be able to claim
credit for it.
Here are some of the key proofs which we have discovered so far. You
may not understand their meaning to the subject if you are not a
scholar. But this information is big to those who know what it means.
SOME KEY PROOFS OF THE FRAUD
Earlier this evening I had talked with Abelard Reuchlin and he had
informed me of another proof that he had found regarding the fraud
which was perpetrated by the creators of Christianity. I'd like to
point out to you some of the main proofs that we have thus far and
then I will speak of the one which Reuchlin had told me about - which
is a major proof.
(1) The deliberate misspelling of 'stone' in Flavius Josephus' Jewish
Wars. This is where Josephus writes his passage about a stone which is
being hurled over the wall by the Romans at the Jews on the other
side. He says, "The stone cometh!" However, he deliberately misspells
the word 'stone' and makes it 'son'. So that he is actually ridiculing
the Jews by saying "The son cometh!" In other words, he was saying
that his creation, Jesus, is coming. The meaning is that by using his
created alter-ego Jesus, he will totally defeat the Jews.
(2) The Talmud has a passage that says; "The Temple was destroyed by
nothing." But the writer of that passage deliberately used a word for
'nothing' that spells "ha min" by switching the letters around, which
is what the Jews called Arrius Piso and his family.
(3) The Talmud has Arrius Piso's full name inserted in different
places by using variants of his names. The Jews could read his name as
it really was because they could drop and insert vowels in those
names. So, in the Talmud, we find Arrius Piso's name; Arrius
Calpurnius Piso.
(4) Abelard Reuchlin is the one who found all of these proofs. He
called and told me about this one. He said that St. Jerome, writing as
Paulus Arosius (circa 420 AD/CE) says; "the Roman attack on the Temple
was led (commanded) by Joseph the Jew (i.e. Josephus, aka Arrius
Piso), who had been forgiven by Vespasian for prophesying (that) he
would become Emperor." So you know, St. Jerome was a descendant of
Arrius Piso and what he says here under the name of Paulus Arosius
amounts to an admission that Josephus (aka Arrius Piso) was of Jewish
ancestry, but that he was actually on the side of the Romans (a Roman
commander) during the war. Thus, he was pretending to have been a Jew
who was fighting against the Romans! This is an actual admission by a
descendant of Arrius Piso that as Josephus, he is identified as a
Roman commander (general) during the war in which the Temple had been
destroyed!
Cheers!
"Verrry goot", said the psychiatrist. "Und now, I haf a few more ink
blots for you to look at. This Rorshach was such a clefer fellow, nein?"
Roman (The Roman Piso Forum)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
http://www.webspawner.com/users/pisoforum
http://www.webspawner.com/users/nttexts
John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message news:<3FEA4F2F.8B5C1B00@rica.net>...
<snip>
--
Kermit
Remove _your_inhibitions_ to reply.
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| User: "RRoman Piso" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Christianity? |
20 Jan 2004 03:01:24 AM |
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Hello Kermit,
So, you don't think that there is anything to what I have been saying
about this? Hmmm.... well, then I guess that you will just have to be
shown some proof.
For one thing, I have been talking about the 'royal language'. I have
an example of it so that you will see what I mean (that is, IF you are
intelligent to understand it). And, you may be wondering HOW it is
that we can tell just WHO wrote what books of the New Testament.
Again, I will show you. But, you must put on your thinking cap!
Now, here is what I want you to do. I want you to go to my forum and
look for the thread that is about 'Julius Piso Wrote The Revelation'.
You will find out what I am talking about.
The Roman Piso Forum
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
Cheers!
Roman
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| User: "RRoman Piso" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Christianity? |
19 Jan 2004 04:53:07 PM |
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Kermit <freehand_your_inhibitions_@charter.net> wrote in message news:<vvs7r4pe95if48@corp.supernews.com>...
Hello Kermit,
The reason that I post this information is because there ARE people
out there who are serious about learning the truth about religion and
about Christianity in particular. If you are not, then you are not. I
know that a lot of people think that it is too much work to get very
involved in research, and instead, they would rather take pot-shots at
others. Well, have your fun. But I think that most people who are able
to think for themselves will see right through things that people who
do not take this seriously will say and do.
For those who want to learn more about this, here are some URL's:
The New Classical Scholarship
http://forums.delphiforums.com/newscholarship
The Educational Articles Site
http://www.angelfire.com/wi2/eduarticles
The Roman Piso Forum Website
http://www.webspawner.com/users/pisoforum
Regards,
Roman
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
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| User: "RRoman Piso" |
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| Title: Re: The End of Christianity? |
25 Dec 2003 01:16:31 PM |
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Hello John, thank you for your response.
<snip>
Hello John, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Yes, you see things as
they really are by acknowledging that we are just that - a species.
And also, I too agree that we have just about gone as far as we can in
our present form.
(snip)
"I said no such thing, but it is not important enough to argue about."
Well, in both cases (yours and mine), neither of us can actually
predict the future exactly. I think that we were thinking in a similar
manner in at least a general sense. I got what I thought was the
actual meaning of your statement, which was, I thought, that you had
thought that humanity would probably destroy itself one day. I simply
took that rather negative statement and gave it a more positive
flavor. That what you said could indeed happen, is of serious concern.
However, it is also just a likely that we will survive by changing our
physical form and, hopefully, progressing in an epistomologic way
(intellect).
===
More people are becoming skeptical of the Bible and of religion in
general, so says a report discussed in Newsweek. What accounts for
this phenomenon?
(snip)
"I credit free communication such as is happening here, for some of the
progress."
Yes, that is a good part of it.
===
(snip)
So, what say YOU? Have you gone down this path of no return, or have
you avoided it altogether? Are you in a state of recovery from
religious thought? Or do you know someone who has lost their mind to
religion? Do you have any stories about what religion can do to people
that you can share with us here?
"I was born atheist, and was quickly converted to the Roman Catholic
faith by very well meaning parents and was a good practicing Catholic
well into my teens. But when I lost my faith, it precipitated a BIG
DISCUSSION with my whole family one Saturday night."
You were born atheist, as are we all. Funny how so many people have
the most difficult time understanding the simplest things.
===
"I have seen many families torn apart by such tensions, but this event
turned out to be my families proudest moment in my eyes. After hours
of sometimes heated but always respectful argument we arrived at a
consensus that our faith was not defensible and only seemed to make
sense if unexamined. That was the last day we considered ourselves to
be Catholics. Since then members of my family have followed different
paths, including one of them returning to the Catholic church after
marrying a Catholic. But we continue to respect each other's
choices. I feel honored to be a member of this clan."
Yes, as have I. What you say about your family and the discussions
that you had with them is quite interesting. The result that you had
with them is NOT typical. Most of the time, families are (as you say)
"torn apart" by such tensions. I have actually watched such
discussions start and I have seen the end result as well. In most
cases, it does not end up well. I am happy to know that it does work
out well once in a while at least.
What you say about your family and yourself would seem to me to merit
a book at the very least. Cheers!
Roman
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
http://www.webspawner.com/users/pisoforum
http://www.webspawner.com/users/nttexts
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