Religions > Atheism > The Fear That Kills- female soldiers serving in Iraq made fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape
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The Fear That Kills- female soldiers serving in Iraq made fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape |
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
The Fear That Kills
By Marjorie Cohn, TruthOut.org. Posted January 31, 2006.
Appalling new evidence reveals that female soldiers serving in Iraq made
fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape.
In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison
testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military
commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some
female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission
of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush
Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration
because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid
of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the
women's latrine after dark.
The latrine for female soldiers at Camp Victory wasn't located near
their barracks, so they had to go outside if they needed to use the
bathroom. "There were no lights near any of their facilities, so women
were doubly easy targets in the dark of the night," Karpinski told
retired US Army Col. David Hackworth in a September 2004 interview.
It was there that male soldiers assaulted and raped women soldiers. So
the women took matters into their own hands. They didn't drink in the
late afternoon so they wouldn't have to urinate at night. They didn't
get raped. But some died of dehydration in the desert heat, Karpinski
said.
Karpinski testified that a surgeon for the coalition's joint task force
said in a briefing that "women in fear of getting up in the hours of
darkness to go out to the port-a-lets or the latrines were not drinking
liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon, and in 120 degree heat or warmer,
because there was no air-conditioning at most of the facilities, they
were dying from dehydration in their sleep."
"And rather than make everybody aware of that -- because that's
shocking, and as a leader if that's not shocking to you then you're not
much of a leader -- what they told the surgeon to do is don't brief
those details anymore. And don't say specifically that they're women.
You can provide that in a written report but don't brief it in the open
anymore."
For example, Maj. Gen. Walter Wojdakowski, Sanchez's top deputy in Iraq,
saw "dehydration" listed as the cause of death on the death certificate
of a female master sergeant in September 2003. Under orders from
Sanchez, he directed that the cause of death no longer be listed,
Karpinski stated. The official explanation for this was to protect the
women's privacy rights.
Sanchez's attitude was: "The women asked to be here, so now let them
take what comes with the territory," Karpinski quoted him as saying.
Karpinski told me that Sanchez, who was her boss, was very sensitive to
the political ramifications of everything he did. She thinks it likely
that when the information about the cause of these women's deaths was
passed to the Pentagon, Donald Rumsfeld ordered that the details not be
released. "That's how Rumsfeld works," she said.
"It was out of control," Karpinski told a group of students at Thomas
Jefferson School of Law last October. There was an 800 number women
could use to report sexual assaults. But no one had a phone, she added.
And no one answered that number, which was based in the United States.
Any woman who successfully connected to it would get a recording. Even
after more than 83 incidents were reported during a six-month period in
Iraq and Kuwait, the 24-hour rape hot line was still answered by a
machine that told callers to leave a message.
"There were countless such situations all over the theater of operations
-- Iraq and Kuwait -- because female soldiers didn't have a voice,
individually or collectively," Karpinski told Hackworth. "Even as a
general I didn't have a voice with Sanchez, so I know what the soldiers
were facing. Sanchez did not want to hear about female soldier
requirements and/or issues."
Karpinski was the highest officer reprimanded for the Abu Ghraib torture
scandal, although the details of interrogations were carefully hidden
from her. Demoted from Brigadier General to Colonel, Karpinski feels she
was chosen as a scapegoat because she was a female.
Sexual assault in the US military has become a hot topic in the last few
years, "not just because of the high number of rapes and other assaults,
but also because of the tendency to cover up assaults and to harass or
retaliate against women who report assaults," according to Kathy
Gilberd, co-chair of the National Lawyers Guild's Military Law Task
Force.
This problem has become so acute that the Army has set up its own sexual
assault web site.
In February 2004, Rumsfeld directed the Under Secretary of Defense for
Personnel and Readiness to undertake a 90-day review of sexual assault
policies. "Sexual assault will not be tolerated in the Department of
Defense," Rumsfeld declared.
The 99-page report was issued in April 2004. It affirmed, "The chain of
command is responsible for ensuring that policies and practices
regarding crime prevention and security are in place for the safety of
service members." The rates of reported alleged sexual assault were 69.1
and 70.0 per 100,000 uniformed service members in 2002 and 2003. Yet
those rates were not directly comparable to rates reported by the
Department of Justice, due to substantial differences in the definition
of sexual assault.
Notably, the report found that low sociocultural power (i.e., age,
education, race/ethnicity, marital status) and low organizational power
(i.e., pay grade and years of active duty service) were associated with
an increased likelihood of both sexual assault and sexual harassment.
The Department of Defense announced a new policy on sexual assault
prevention and response on January 3, 2005. It was a reaction to media
reports and public outrage about sexual assaults against women in the US
military in Iraq and Afghanistan, and ongoing sexual assaults and
cover-ups at the Air Force Academy in Colorado, Gilberd said. As a
result, Congress demanded that the military review the problem, and the
Defense Authorization Act of 2005 required a new policy be put in place
by January 1.
The policy is a series of very brief "directive-type memoranda" for the
Secretaries of the military services from the Under Secretary of Defense
for Personnel and Readiness. "Overall, the policy emphasizes that sexual
assault harms military readiness, that education about sexual assault
policy needs to be increased and repeated, and that improvements in
response to sexual assaults are necessary to make victims more willing
to report assaults," Gilberd notes. "Unfortunately," she added "analysis
of the issues is shallow, and the plans for addressing them are
limited."
Commands can reject the complaints if they decide they aren't credible,
and there is limited protection against retaliation against the women
who come forward, according to Gilberd. "People who report assaults
still face command disbelief, illegal efforts to protect the assaulters,
informal harassment from assaulters, their friends or the command
itself," she said.
But most shameful is Sanchez's cover-up of the dehydration deaths of
women that occurred in Iraq. Sanchez is no stranger to outrageous
military orders. He was heavily involved in the torture scandal that
surfaced at Abu Ghraib. Sanchez approved the use of unmuzzled dogs and
the insertion of prisoners head-first into sleeping bags after which
they are tied with an electrical cord and their are mouths covered. At
least one person died as the result of the sleeping bag technique.
Karpinski charges that Sanchez attempted to hide the torture after the
hideous photographs became public.
Sanchez reportedly plans to retire soon, according to an article in the
International Herald Tribune earlier this month. But Rumsfeld recently
considered elevating the 3-star general to a 4-star. The Tribune also
reported that Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks, the Army's chief spokesman,
said in an email message, "The Army leaders do have confidence in LTG
Sanchez."
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01 Feb 2006 10:04:18 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and stoney <stoney@the.net> posting
the following on Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:15:26 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission
of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush
Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration
because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid
of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the
women's latrine after dark.
*****. No names, and a female soldier I know who just returned
from Iraq stated that the longest walk she had to a latrine was about
100 feet.
Dying of dehydration takes days. Skipping a glass of water at night
won't make a difference (nor will it make a difference in your need to
use the latrine. Drinking two liters of fluid early in the day will
mean that you'll be getting up at night.)
Col. Janis Karpinski was the "officer" in charge at Abu Ghirab, and is
doing everything possible to make herself look good and cover up went
went on under her command.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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02 Feb 2006 08:58:11 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:04:18 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
What's so funny about peace, love and stoney <stoney@the.net> posting
the following on Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:15:26 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission
of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush
Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration
because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid
of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the
women's latrine after dark.
*****. No names, and a female soldier I know who just returned
from Iraq stated that the longest walk she had to a latrine was about
100 feet.
I noticed the lack of measurement and attempt to make it seem like a
quarter mile, or so, away.
Dying of dehydration takes days. Skipping a glass of water at night
won't make a difference (nor will it make a difference in your need to
use the latrine. Drinking two liters of fluid early in the day will
mean that you'll be getting up at night.)
Col. Janis Karpinski was the "officer" in charge at Abu Ghirab, and is
doing everything possible to make herself look good and cover up went
went on under her command.
That's why the name was familiar.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
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03 Feb 2006 01:16:27 AM |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:04:18 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and stoney <stoney@the.net> posting
the following on Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:15:26 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission
of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush
Administration in New York
Well now, doesn't that just sound official as hell?
I'll bet old George is scared to death of those folks.
Lol!
That is sooooo nineteen-sixties.
that several women had died of dehydration
because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid
of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the
women's latrine after dark.
*****. No names, and a female soldier I know who just returned
from Iraq stated that the longest walk she had to a latrine was about
100 feet.
Dying of dehydration takes days. Skipping a glass of water at night
won't make a difference (nor will it make a difference in your need to
use the latrine. Drinking two liters of fluid early in the day will
mean that you'll be getting up at night.)
Col. Janis Karpinski was the "officer" in charge at Abu Ghirab, and is
doing everything possible to make herself look good and cover up went
went on under her command.
Heh.
It's amazing how many people bought into such silliness.
Read some of the comments on the site:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
Just makes you shake your head.
atheist@home#1554
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31 Jan 2006 11:29:08 PM |
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stoney wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
The Fear That Kills
By Marjorie Cohn, TruthOut.org. Posted January 31, 2006.
Appalling new evidence reveals that female soldiers serving in Iraq made
fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape.
In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison
testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military
commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some
female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission
of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush
Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration
because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid
of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the
women's latrine after dark.
I'm afraid I'm not making sense of this. They couldn't have gone in
groups? It never occurred to them to use bedpans?
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01 Feb 2006 10:31:43 AM |
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"Tim McGaughy" <teekem@ispwest.com> wrote in message
news:drpgv70fd4@enews2.newsguy.com...
stoney wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
The Fear That Kills
By Marjorie Cohn, TruthOut.org. Posted January 31, 2006.
Appalling new evidence reveals that female soldiers serving in Iraq made
fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape.
In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison
testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military
commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some
female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission
of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush
Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration
because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid
of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the
women's latrine after dark.
I'm afraid I'm not making sense of this. They couldn't have gone in
groups? It never occurred to them to use bedpans?
Why should they have to do that?
How about the male soldiers control themselves?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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02 Feb 2006 08:52:23 PM |
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:31:43 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Tim McGaughy" <teekem@ispwest.com> wrote in message
news:drpgv70fd4@enews2.newsguy.com...
stoney wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
The Fear That Kills
By Marjorie Cohn, TruthOut.org. Posted January 31, 2006.
Appalling new evidence reveals that female soldiers serving in Iraq made
fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape.
In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison
testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military
commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some
female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission
of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush
Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration
because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid
of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the
women's latrine after dark.
I'm afraid I'm not making sense of this. They couldn't have gone in
groups? It never occurred to them to use bedpans?
Why should they have to do that?
How about the male soldiers control themselves?
/fundy
WHAT!!!? It's all the females fault generating lust in men. Females
have been nothing but trouble since that treacherous Eve and the apple
incident.......
/fundy
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
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at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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01 Feb 2006 02:57:48 PM |
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:29:08 -0600, Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
The Fear That Kills
By Marjorie Cohn, TruthOut.org. Posted January 31, 2006.
Appalling new evidence reveals that female soldiers serving in Iraq made
fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape.
In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison
testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military
commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some
female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission
of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush
Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration
because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid
of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the
women's latrine after dark.
I'm afraid I'm not making sense of this. They couldn't have gone in
groups? It never occurred to them to use bedpans?
I have no idea, but bedpans were probably not an option. Why didn't
they rig something up? Don't know.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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01 Feb 2006 12:30:21 AM |
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
stoney wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
The Fear That Kills
By Marjorie Cohn, TruthOut.org. Posted January 31, 2006.
Appalling new evidence reveals that female soldiers serving in Iraq
made fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape.
In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison
testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military
commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for
some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the
Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the
Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of
dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day.
They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers
if they had to use the women's latrine after dark.
I'm afraid I'm not making sense of this. They couldn't have gone in
groups? It never occurred to them to use bedpans?
Ride in the back of the bus?
Separate but equal?
Why listen to them, they're just women.
Maybe it's the way they dressed.
But groups and bedpans rather than address the problem is the way the
military and a large part of the male US thinks.
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01 Feb 2006 06:25:32 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:1AYDf.20534
$Yu.4558@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
Tim McGaughy wrote:
stoney wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
The Fear That Kills
By Marjorie Cohn, TruthOut.org. Posted January 31, 2006.
Appalling new evidence reveals that female soldiers serving in Iraq
made fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape.
In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison
testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military
commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for
some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the
Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the
Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of
dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day.
They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers
if they had to use the women's latrine after dark.
I'm afraid I'm not making sense of this. They couldn't have gone in
groups? It never occurred to them to use bedpans?
Ride in the back of the bus?
Separate but equal?
Why listen to them, they're just women.
Maybe it's the way they dressed.
But groups and bedpans rather than address the problem is the way the
military and a large part of the male US thinks.
It's a strong indication that the whole story is a pack of lies.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Dems say Repubs imperil civil liberties. David Koresh and Elian
Gonzalez were not available for comment." - Anon.
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01 Feb 2006 02:59:43 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:30:21 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Tim McGaughy wrote:
stoney wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
The Fear That Kills
By Marjorie Cohn, TruthOut.org. Posted January 31, 2006.
Appalling new evidence reveals that female soldiers serving in Iraq
made fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape.
In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison
testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military
commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for
some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the
Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the
Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of
dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day.
They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers
if they had to use the women's latrine after dark.
I'm afraid I'm not making sense of this. They couldn't have gone in
groups? It never occurred to them to use bedpans?
Ride in the back of the bus?
Separate but equal?
Why listen to them, they're just women.
Maybe it's the way they dressed.
But groups and bedpans rather than address the problem is the way the
military and a large part of the male US thinks.
Deliberate non-addressing by brass in an endeavour to chase the women
out of the military or future re-enactment of their being banned?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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01 Feb 2006 10:16:16 PM |
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stoney wrote:
But groups and bedpans rather than address the problem is the way the
military and a large part of the male US thinks.
Deliberate non-addressing by brass in an endeavour to chase the women
out of the military or future re-enactment of their being banned?
Possibly but more likely the desire to look good on paper.
I suspect they use the same approach that most, if not all, colleges use and
make it very hard to report such things.
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02 Feb 2006 08:50:55 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 04:16:16 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
But groups and bedpans rather than address the problem is the way the
military and a large part of the male US thinks.
Deliberate non-addressing by brass in an endeavour to chase the women
out of the military or future re-enactment of their being banned?
Possibly but more likely the desire to look good on paper.
That and playing their stupid political games.
I suspect they use the same approach that most, if not all, colleges use and
make it very hard to report such things.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> posting the following on Wed, 01 Feb 2006
06:30:21 GMT iin alt.atheism?
Ride in the back of the bus?
Separate but equal?
Why listen to them, they're just women.
Maybe it's the way they dressed.
But groups and bedpans rather than address the problem is the way the
military and a large part of the male US thinks.
Ever serve?
Now, notice that not a single soldier is named. Not a single case of
rape is mentioned. And if you think the US Army doesn't prosecute
rape cases, I've got beachfront property in South Dakota to sell you.
This story is *****.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> posting the following on Wed, 01 Feb 2006
06:30:21 GMT iin alt.atheism?
Ride in the back of the bus?
Separate but equal?
Why listen to them, they're just women.
Maybe it's the way they dressed.
But groups and bedpans rather than address the problem is the way the
military and a large part of the male US thinks.
Ever serve?
Now, notice that not a single soldier is named. Not a single case of
rape is mentioned. And if you think the US Army doesn't prosecute
rape cases, I've got beachfront property in South Dakota to sell you.
This story is *****.
I certainly hope so :(
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> posting the following on Wed, 01 Feb 2006
06:30:21 GMT iin alt.atheism?
Ride in the back of the bus?
Separate but equal?
Why listen to them, they're just women.
Maybe it's the way they dressed.
But groups and bedpans rather than address the problem is the way the
military and a large part of the male US thinks.
Ever serve?
There were few women when I was in and most were officers. I never saw a
female enlisted person but I know how imporant it is to look right on paper
and suspect that rape in the army is treated the same way it is on college
campuses. Make it go away if you can.
Exactly how would my being forced to spend two years and five days in the
army impact this situation?
Now, notice that not a single soldier is named. Not a single case of
rape is mentioned. And if you think the US Army doesn't prosecute
rape cases, I've got beachfront property in South Dakota to sell you.
This story is *****.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Fear That Kills- female soldiers serving in Iraq made fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape |
01 Feb 2006 06:29:54 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> posting the following on Wed, 01 Feb 2006
20:20:29 GMT iin alt.atheism?
There were few women when I was in and most were officers. I never saw a
female enlisted person but I know how imporant it is to look right on paper
and suspect that rape in the army is treated the same way it is on college
campuses. Make it go away if you can.
You suspect incorrectly. Sexual harrassment and assault were taken
very seriously when I was in, and from friends I served with who are
still in, I hear that things have gotten stricter.
Now I have a friend, femal Spec4, who just got back from Iraq. she
states that she was the target of many invitations to engage in sexual
activity. Most men backed off when she informed them that she was
married. Those few that persisted vanished when she threatened to file
a formal complaint.
Her only problem with going to the latrine at night were the rats.
The one General Court I sat on was a rape case. Male soldier decided
that "get out of my room" meant "do me, wild stallion!" At the time,
the accused was about six months short. He ended up doing five years
in Leavenworth, reduced to E-1, loss of all pay, and got a
Dishonorable Discharge.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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01 Feb 2006 10:22:32 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> posting the following on Wed, 01 Feb 2006
20:20:29 GMT iin alt.atheism?
There were few women when I was in and most were officers. I never
saw a female enlisted person but I know how imporant it is to look
right on paper and suspect that rape in the army is treated the same
way it is on college campuses. Make it go away if you can.
You suspect incorrectly. Sexual harrassment and assault were taken
very seriously when I was in, and from friends I served with who are
still in, I hear that things have gotten stricter.
Then it still must be a huge problem. If it was not there would be no need
to impose more rules.
Now I have a friend, femal Spec4, who just got back from Iraq. she
states that she was the target of many invitations to engage in sexual
activity. Most men backed off when she informed them that she was
married. Those few that persisted vanished when she threatened to file
a formal complaint.
Rape is not a sexual activity.
Her only problem with going to the latrine at night were the rats.
The one General Court I sat on was a rape case. Male soldier decided
that "get out of my room" meant "do me, wild stallion!" At the time,
the accused was about six months short. He ended up doing five years
in Leavenworth, reduced to E-1, loss of all pay, and got a
Dishonorable Discharge.
What percentage of rapes were reported to LE? And yes, at least in the
civilian world we know that a small percentage get reported because they do
call us.
What percentage of reported cases went to trial?
In civilian life the number is less that 20% and few ger convicted.
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| Title: Re: The Fear That Kills- female soldiers serving in Iraq made fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape |
01 Feb 2006 03:12:14 PM |
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
stoney wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584/
The Fear That Kills
By Marjorie Cohn, TruthOut.org. Posted January 31, 2006.
Appalling new evidence reveals that female soldiers serving in Iraq made
fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape.
In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison
testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military
commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some
female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission
of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush
Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration
because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid
of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the
women's latrine after dark.
I'm afraid I'm not making sense of this. They couldn't have gone in
groups? It never occurred to them to use bedpans?
The part that doesn't make sense is that the men - US soldiers -
couldn't control themselves and simply not rape the women. And those
men who did not rape women - why didn't they control the men who did?
MLW
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Fear That Kills- female soldiers serving in Iraq made fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape |
01 Feb 2006 06:33:51 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting
the following on 1 Feb 2006 13:12:14 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
The part that doesn't make sense is that the men - US soldiers -
couldn't control themselves and simply not rape the women. And those
men who did not rape women - why didn't they control the men who did?
Folks, this did not happen! Medically, what is being described is
poppycock. Dying of dehydration takes days, even in the Middle East
in summer, and is quite noticable. Skipping water i9n the afternoon
to avoid having to use the latrine at night wouldn't kill you. It
also wouldn't work, due to the way your body processes food and water.
But more importantly, there are no names attached to these alleged
deaths. No backing for this claim of rapes. Just one woman with a
ruined career trying to drag down anyone she can with her by playing
the gender card.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Feb 2006 08:54:34 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:33:51 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
What's so funny about peace, love and posting
the following on 1 Feb 2006 13:12:14 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
The part that doesn't make sense is that the men - US soldiers -
couldn't control themselves and simply not rape the women. And those
men who did not rape women - why didn't they control the men who did?
Folks, this did not happen! Medically, what is being described is
poppycock. Dying of dehydration takes days, even in the Middle East
in summer, and is quite noticable. Skipping water i9n the afternoon
to avoid having to use the latrine at night wouldn't kill you. It
also wouldn't work, due to the way your body processes food and water.
I didn't think so. It's interesting to play along and see what surfaces
along the way, see what strikes different people.
But more importantly, there are no names attached to these alleged
deaths. No backing for this claim of rapes. Just one woman with a
ruined career trying to drag down anyone she can with her by playing
the gender card.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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