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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Fester" |
| Date: |
13 Mar 2006 05:43:36 PM |
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The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people on
both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my fellow
atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as such, we
are going to hear and see things from time to time that we don't like.
That's life, deal with it. One can question whether the presence of
our national motto is a violation of the 1st Amendment's, "Establishment
Clause," but it's not an argument we are going to win and it's an
argument that by pressing simply identifies oneself as a
stick-in-the-mud whiner to the vast majority of Americans. Rather like
the Pledge issue, all that one can hope to accomplish is to gather
momentum among the general population to the dislike individual atheists
who are complaining and by erroneous association all atheists. I say,
if you insist on fighting the good fight, choose some better battle.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
14 Mar 2006 12:55:28 AM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people on
both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my fellow
atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as such, we are
going to hear and see things from time to time that we don't like. That's
life, deal with it. One can question whether the presence of our national
motto is a violation of the 1st Amendment's, "Establishment Clause," but
it's not an argument we are going to win and it's an argument that by
pressing simply identifies oneself as a stick-in-the-mud whiner to the
vast majority of Americans. Rather like the Pledge issue, all that one
can hope to accomplish is to gather momentum among the general population
to the dislike individual atheists who are complaining and by erroneous
association all atheists. I say, if you insist on fighting the good
fight, choose some better battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to the back of
the bus.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
14 Mar 2006 05:07:59 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people on
both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my fellow
atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as such, we are
going to hear and see things from time to time that we don't like. That's
life, deal with it. One can question whether the presence of our national
motto is a violation of the 1st Amendment's, "Establishment Clause," but
it's not an argument we are going to win and it's an argument that by
pressing simply identifies oneself as a stick-in-the-mud whiner to the
vast majority of Americans. Rather like the Pledge issue, all that one
can hope to accomplish is to gather momentum among the general population
to the dislike individual atheists who are complaining and by erroneous
association all atheists. I say, if you insist on fighting the good
fight, choose some better battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to the back of
the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
14 Mar 2006 01:41:37 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:juxRf.61394$%84.47746@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people on
both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my fellow
atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as such, we are
going to hear and see things from time to time that we don't like. That's
life, deal with it. One can question whether the presence of our
national motto is a violation of the 1st Amendment's, "Establishment
Clause," but it's not an argument we are going to win and it's an
argument that by pressing simply identifies oneself as a stick-in-the-mud
whiner to the vast majority of Americans. Rather like the Pledge issue,
all that one can hope to accomplish is to gather momentum among the
general population to the dislike individual atheists who are complaining
and by erroneous association all atheists. I say, if you insist on
fighting the good fight, choose some better battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to the back
of the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
How many avowed atheists are there in congress?
Take your hyperbole and shove it up your *****.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
14 Mar 2006 05:32:52 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:juxRf.61394$%84.47746@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people on
both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my fellow
atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as such, we are
going to hear and see things from time to time that we don't like. That's
life, deal with it. One can question whether the presence of our
national motto is a violation of the 1st Amendment's, "Establishment
Clause," but it's not an argument we are going to win and it's an
argument that by pressing simply identifies oneself as a stick-in-the-mud
whiner to the vast majority of Americans. Rather like the Pledge issue,
all that one can hope to accomplish is to gather momentum among the
general population to the dislike individual atheists who are complaining
and by erroneous association all atheists. I say, if you insist on
fighting the good fight, choose some better battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to the back
of the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
How many avowed atheists are there in congress?
Take your hyperbole and shove it up your *****.
So the lack of atheistic Congressmen implies to you that atheists will
be force to ride in the back of buses? Sorry, but the hyperbole quite
rightly belongs whence it came, which would be up yours.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
14 Mar 2006 11:20:26 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:EoIRf.39039$915.12267@southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:juxRf.61394$%84.47746@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people on
both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my fellow
atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as such, we
are going to hear and see things from time to time that we don't like.
That's life, deal with it. One can question whether the presence of
our national motto is a violation of the 1st Amendment's,
"Establishment Clause," but it's not an argument we are going to win
and it's an argument that by pressing simply identifies oneself as a
stick-in-the-mud whiner to the vast majority of Americans. Rather like
the Pledge issue, all that one can hope to accomplish is to gather
momentum among the general population to the dislike individual
atheists who are complaining and by erroneous association all atheists.
I say, if you insist on fighting the good fight, choose some better
battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to the
back of the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
How many avowed atheists are there in congress?
Take your hyperbole and shove it up your *****.
So the lack of atheistic Congressmen implies to you that atheists will be
force to ride in the back of buses?
No, it implies that we have no political power whatsoever. I should have
realized you'd be too stupid to understand that.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
15 Mar 2006 05:50:06 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:EoIRf.39039$915.12267@southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:juxRf.61394$%84.47746@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people on
both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my fellow
atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as such, we
are going to hear and see things from time to time that we don't like.
That's life, deal with it. One can question whether the presence of
our national motto is a violation of the 1st Amendment's,
"Establishment Clause," but it's not an argument we are going to win
and it's an argument that by pressing simply identifies oneself as a
stick-in-the-mud whiner to the vast majority of Americans. Rather like
the Pledge issue, all that one can hope to accomplish is to gather
momentum among the general population to the dislike individual
atheists who are complaining and by erroneous association all atheists.
I say, if you insist on fighting the good fight, choose some better
battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to the
back of the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
How many avowed atheists are there in congress?
Take your hyperbole and shove it up your *****.
So the lack of atheistic Congressmen implies to you that atheists will be
force to ride in the back of buses?
No, it implies that we have no political power whatsoever. I should have
realized you'd be too stupid to understand that.
Of course we have no political power. That has got ***** to do with
school buses.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
15 Mar 2006 09:57:59 AM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:EoIRf.39039$915.12267@southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:juxRf.61394$%84.47746@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people
on both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my
fellow atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as
such, we are going to hear and see things from time to time that we
don't like. That's life, deal with it. One can question whether the
presence of our national motto is a violation of the 1st Amendment's,
"Establishment Clause," but it's not an argument we are going to win
and it's an argument that by pressing simply identifies oneself as a
stick-in-the-mud whiner to the vast majority of Americans. Rather
like the Pledge issue, all that one can hope to accomplish is to
gather momentum among the general population to the dislike
individual atheists who are complaining and by erroneous association
all atheists. I say, if you insist on fighting the good fight, choose
some better battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to the
back of the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
How many avowed atheists are there in congress?
Take your hyperbole and shove it up your *****.
So the lack of atheistic Congressmen implies to you that atheists will be
force to ride in the back of buses?
No, it implies that we have no political power whatsoever. I should have
realized you'd be too stupid to understand that.
Of course we have no political power.
Well then, I'd say we're second-class citizens compared to the Christians
who have massive political power behind them.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
15 Mar 2006 05:11:24 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:ObTRf.72375$no3.48984@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:EoIRf.39039$915.12267@southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:juxRf.61394$%84.47746@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people
on both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my
fellow atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as
such, we are going to hear and see things from time to time that we
don't like. That's life, deal with it. One can question whether the
presence of our national motto is a violation of the 1st Amendment's,
"Establishment Clause," but it's not an argument we are going to win
and it's an argument that by pressing simply identifies oneself as a
stick-in-the-mud whiner to the vast majority of Americans. Rather
like the Pledge issue, all that one can hope to accomplish is to
gather momentum among the general population to the dislike
individual atheists who are complaining and by erroneous association
all atheists. I say, if you insist on fighting the good fight, choose
some better battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to the
back of the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
How many avowed atheists are there in congress?
Take your hyperbole and shove it up your *****.
So the lack of atheistic Congressmen implies to you that atheists will be
force to ride in the back of buses?
No, it implies that we have no political power whatsoever. I should have
realized you'd be too stupid to understand that.
Of course we have no political power.
Well then, I'd say we're second-class citizens compared to the Christians
who have massive political power behind them.
I'm not a second class citizen.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
I find myself genetically incapable of agreeing with anything you've
ever said.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
15 Mar 2006 07:01:37 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:ObTRf.72375$no3.48984@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:EoIRf.39039$915.12267@southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:juxRf.61394$%84.47746@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people
on both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my
fellow atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as
such, we are going to hear and see things from time to time that we
don't like. That's life, deal with it. One can question whether
the presence of our national motto is a violation of the 1st
Amendment's, "Establishment Clause," but it's not an argument we
are going to win and it's an argument that by pressing simply
identifies oneself as a stick-in-the-mud whiner to the vast
majority of Americans. Rather like the Pledge issue, all that one
can hope to accomplish is to gather momentum among the general
population to the dislike individual atheists who are complaining
and by erroneous association all atheists. I say, if you insist on
fighting the good fight, choose some better battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to the
back of the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
How many avowed atheists are there in congress?
Take your hyperbole and shove it up your *****.
So the lack of atheistic Congressmen implies to you that atheists will
be force to ride in the back of buses?
No, it implies that we have no political power whatsoever. I should have
realized you'd be too stupid to understand that.
Of course we have no political power.
Well then, I'd say we're second-class citizens compared to the Christians
who have massive political power behind them.
I'm not a second class citizen.
Run for political office as an atheist, then come back and say that again
with a straight face.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
I find myself genetically incapable of agreeing with anything you've ever
said.
That explains it. I try to use reason rather than instinct when evaluating a
position to adopt.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
15 Mar 2006 07:06:23 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:ObTRf.72375$no3.48984@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:EoIRf.39039$915.12267@southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that people
on both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap. To my
fellow atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a minority, and as
such, we are going to hear and see things from time to time that we
don't like. That's life, deal with it. One can question whether
the presence of our national motto is a violation of the 1st
Amendment's, "Establishment Clause," but it's not an argument we
are going to win and it's an argument that by pressing simply
identifies oneself as a stick-in-the-mud whiner to the vast
majority of Americans. Rather like the Pledge issue, all that one
can hope to accomplish is to gather momentum among the general
population to the dislike individual atheists who are complaining
and by erroneous association all atheists. I say, if you insist on
fighting the good fight, choose some better battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to the
back of the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
How many avowed atheists are there in congress?
Take your hyperbole and shove it up your *****.
So the lack of atheistic Congressmen implies to you that atheists will
be force to ride in the back of buses?
No, it implies that we have no political power whatsoever. I should have
realized you'd be too stupid to understand that.
Of course we have no political power.
Well then, I'd say we're second-class citizens compared to the Christians
who have massive political power behind them.
I'm not a second class citizen.
Run for political office as an atheist, then come back and say that again
with a straight face.
Stupid standard. We live in a Democracy, adn there is no religous test
specified in our Constitution.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
I find myself genetically incapable of agreeing with anything you've ever
said.
That explains it. I try to use reason rather than instinct when evaluating a
position to adopt.
You try, you say, but never succeed.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
15 Mar 2006 10:40:07 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:juxRf.61394$%84.47746@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that
people on both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap.
To my fellow atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a
minority, and as such, we are going to hear and see things from
time to time that we don't like. That's life, deal with it. One
can question whether the presence of our national motto is a
violation of the 1st Amendment's, "Establishment Clause," but
it's not an argument we are going to win and it's an argument
that by pressing simply identifies oneself as a stick-in-the-mud
whiner to the vast majority of Americans. Rather like the Pledge
issue, all that one can hope to accomplish is to gather momentum
among the general population to the dislike individual atheists
who are complaining and by erroneous association all atheists. I
say, if you insist on fighting the good fight, choose some better
battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to
the back of the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
How many avowed atheists are there in congress?
Take your hyperbole and shove it up your *****.
So the lack of atheistic Congressmen implies to you that atheists
will be force to ride in the back of buses?
No, it implies that we have no political power whatsoever. I should
have realized you'd be too stupid to understand that.
Of course we have no political power.
Well then, I'd say we're second-class citizens compared to the
Christians who have massive political power behind them.
I'm not a second class citizen.
Run for political office as an atheist, then come back and say that again
with a straight face.
Stupid standard. We live in a Democracy, adn there is no religous test
specified in our Constitution.
Irrelevant. If you are a despised minority, you have no political voice.
Thus you must trust the majority, that has a political voice, to look after
your interests.
In the case of atheists, that would be Christians.
The only thing looking after our interests in the US right now is the US
constitution, and those people determined enough to brave our legal system
in defense of the constitution.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
I find myself genetically incapable of agreeing with anything you've ever
said.
That explains it. I try to use reason rather than instinct when
evaluating a position to adopt.
You try, you say, but never succeed.
To anyone following this thread: Is that the case? Are my examples,
arguments, and conclusions irrational?
Fester has already agreed that atheists are a minority, and have no voice in
government. How is that not the very definition of second class citizen?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
16 Mar 2006 05:00:41 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:juxRf.61394$%84.47746@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:IsnRf.67926$no3.37737@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
It was inevitable in these days of universal victimhood that
people on both sides would feel compelled to litigate this crap.
To my fellow atheists I simply say, let it go. We are a
minority, and as such, we are going to hear and see things from
time to time that we don't like. That's life, deal with it. One
can question whether the presence of our national motto is a
violation of the 1st Amendment's, "Establishment Clause," but
it's not an argument we are going to win and it's an argument
that by pressing simply identifies oneself as a stick-in-the-mud
whiner to the vast majority of Americans. Rather like the Pledge
issue, all that one can hope to accomplish is to gather momentum
among the general population to the dislike individual atheists
who are complaining and by erroneous association all atheists. I
say, if you insist on fighting the good fight, choose some better
battle.
Only if you'll tell me when it'll ok for us to refuse to move to
the back of the bus.
Such a reaction is to be expected from one who habitually confuses
hyperbole with reality.
How many avowed atheists are there in congress?
Take your hyperbole and shove it up your *****.
So the lack of atheistic Congressmen implies to you that atheists
will be force to ride in the back of buses?
No, it implies that we have no political power whatsoever. I should
have realized you'd be too stupid to understand that.
Of course we have no political power.
Well then, I'd say we're second-class citizens compared to the
Christians who have massive political power behind them.
I'm not a second class citizen.
Run for political office as an atheist, then come back and say that again
with a straight face.
Stupid standard. We live in a Democracy, adn there is no religous test
specified in our Constitution.
Irrelevant. If you are a despised minority, you have no political voice.
Thus you must trust the majority, that has a political voice, to look after
your interests.
In the case of atheists, that would be Christians.
The only thing looking after our interests in the US right now is the US
constitution, and those people determined enough to brave our legal system
in defense of the constitution.
Which is quite a different thing from being a 2nd class citizen, forced
to the back of a bus, being butt-fucked or any of the other hyperbolic
***** you spew.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
I find myself genetically incapable of agreeing with anything you've ever
said.
That explains it. I try to use reason rather than instinct when
evaluating a position to adopt.
You try, you say, but never succeed.
To anyone following this thread: Is that the case? Are my examples,
arguments, and conclusions irrational?
Fester has already agreed that atheists are a minority, and have no voice in
government. How is that not the very definition of second class citizen?
We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all citizens
enjoy, that's why!
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| User: "CCJ" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
16 Mar 2006 07:44:55 PM |
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Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all citizens
enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular minority, we
invariably face de facto prejudice and bias. Granted, we don't have
much room to complain compared to other minorities, like gays, but as
someone else pointed out, a vocal athiest stands a snowball's chance in
hell of becoming president.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more like 1.3
class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in the streets or
denied the right to marry the person we love, in fact we have it pretty
good, but we still get the stink eye from the swarming, religious
majority.
.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
16 Mar 2006 08:26:49 PM |
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"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142559895.126407.21100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all citizens
enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular minority, we
invariably face de facto prejudice and bias. Granted, we don't have
much room to complain compared to other minorities, like gays, but as
someone else pointed out, a vocal athiest stands a snowball's chance in
hell of becoming president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist would be
extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word atheist, and thanks to
2000 years of religious slander it means amoral, puppy-raping, satanic
communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more like 1.3
class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in the streets or
denied the right to marry the person we love, in fact we have it pretty
good, but we still get the stink eye from the swarming, religious
majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-***** "A"
emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt discrimination. ;-)
And I imagine that if african americans could alter their skin color at
will, they'd see a lot LESS overt discrimination. We gain that .6 of a class
only because we can blend in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
17 Mar 2006 04:46:24 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142559895.126407.21100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all citizens
enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular minority, we
invariably face de facto prejudice and bias. Granted, we don't have
much room to complain compared to other minorities, like gays, but as
someone else pointed out, a vocal athiest stands a snowball's chance in
hell of becoming president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist would be
extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word atheist, and thanks to
2000 years of religious slander it means amoral, puppy-raping, satanic
communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more like 1.3
class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in the streets or
denied the right to marry the person we love, in fact we have it pretty
good, but we still get the stink eye from the swarming, religious
majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-***** "A"
emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt discrimination. ;-)
And I imagine that if african americans could alter their skin color at
will, they'd see a lot LESS overt discrimination. We gain that .6 of a class
only because we can blend in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
We enjoy full and complete citizenship, and if I were an identifying
symbol 24/7 that would not change. Citizenship does not entitle us to
be popular. If you want people to like you, stop antagonizing them with
stupid fights over the pledge or public displays of crosses or other
useless "causes."
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
17 Mar 2006 01:57:23 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:4swSf.66363$%84.1767@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142559895.126407.21100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all citizens
enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular minority, we
invariably face de facto prejudice and bias. Granted, we don't have
much room to complain compared to other minorities, like gays, but as
someone else pointed out, a vocal athiest stands a snowball's chance in
hell of becoming president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist would be
extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word atheist, and thanks
to 2000 years of religious slander it means amoral, puppy-raping, satanic
communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more like 1.3
class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in the streets or
denied the right to marry the person we love, in fact we have it pretty
good, but we still get the stink eye from the swarming, religious
majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-***** "A"
emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt discrimination.
;-) And I imagine that if african americans could alter their skin color
at will, they'd see a lot LESS overt discrimination. We gain that .6 of a
class only because we can blend in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
We enjoy full and complete citizenship, and if I were an identifying
symbol 24/7 that would not change. Citizenship does not entitle us to be
popular. If you want people to like you, stop antagonizing them with
stupid fights over the pledge or public displays of crosses or other
useless "causes."
So "Black Like Me" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me ) was all a
big fucking lie?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
17 Mar 2006 04:10:45 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:3eidndAlEYc4iYbZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@io.com:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:4swSf.66363$%84.1767@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142559895.126407.21100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all citizens
enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular minority, we
invariably face de facto prejudice and bias. Granted, we don't have
much room to complain compared to other minorities, like gays, but
as someone else pointed out, a vocal athiest stands a snowball's
chance in hell of becoming president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist would
be extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word atheist,
and thanks to 2000 years of religious slander it means amoral,
puppy-raping, satanic communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more like
1.3 class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in the streets
or denied the right to marry the person we love, in fact we have it
pretty good, but we still get the stink eye from the swarming,
religious majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-***** "A"
emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt
discrimination. ;-) And I imagine that if african americans could
alter their skin color at will, they'd see a lot LESS overt
discrimination. We gain that .6 of a class only because we can blend
in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
We enjoy full and complete citizenship, and if I were an identifying
symbol 24/7 that would not change. Citizenship does not entitle us
to be popular. If you want people to like you, stop antagonizing
them with stupid fights over the pledge or public displays of crosses
or other useless "causes."
So "Black Like Me" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me ) was
all a big fucking lie?
It's been what, fifty years?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When people say they intend to kill you, take them seriously."
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
17 Mar 2006 06:06:30 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9789AEC9B16E3fstone69@81.174.50.80...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:3eidndAlEYc4iYbZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@io.com:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:4swSf.66363$%84.1767@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142559895.126407.21100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all citizens
enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular minority, we
invariably face de facto prejudice and bias. Granted, we don't have
much room to complain compared to other minorities, like gays, but
as someone else pointed out, a vocal athiest stands a snowball's
chance in hell of becoming president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist would
be extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word atheist,
and thanks to 2000 years of religious slander it means amoral,
puppy-raping, satanic communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more like
1.3 class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in the streets
or denied the right to marry the person we love, in fact we have it
pretty good, but we still get the stink eye from the swarming,
religious majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-***** "A"
emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt
discrimination. ;-) And I imagine that if african americans could
alter their skin color at will, they'd see a lot LESS overt
discrimination. We gain that .6 of a class only because we can blend
in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
We enjoy full and complete citizenship, and if I were an identifying
symbol 24/7 that would not change. Citizenship does not entitle us
to be popular. If you want people to like you, stop antagonizing
them with stupid fights over the pledge or public displays of crosses
or other useless "causes."
So "Black Like Me" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me ) was
all a big fucking lie?
It's been what, fifty years?
And what, minorities have all been eliminated? Unfair treatment under the
law is a thing of the past?
I wish I could live in your candy-colored world, where children laugh and
play under gumdrop trees and drink from rivers of chocolate.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
17 Mar 2006 08:22:23 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:4oqdnYgbhavG04bZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9789AEC9B16E3fstone69@81.174.50.80...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:3eidndAlEYc4iYbZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@io.com:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:4swSf.66363$%84.1767@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142559895.126407.21100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all
citizens enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular minority,
we invariably face de facto prejudice and bias. Granted, we don't
have much room to complain compared to other minorities, like
gays, but as someone else pointed out, a vocal athiest stands a
snowball's chance in hell of becoming president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist would
be extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word atheist,
and thanks to 2000 years of religious slander it means amoral,
puppy-raping, satanic communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more like
1.3 class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in the
streets or denied the right to marry the person we love, in fact
we have it pretty good, but we still get the stink eye from the
swarming, religious majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-***** "A"
emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt
discrimination. ;-) And I imagine that if african americans could
alter their skin color at will, they'd see a lot LESS overt
discrimination. We gain that .6 of a class only because we can
blend in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
We enjoy full and complete citizenship, and if I were an
identifying symbol 24/7 that would not change. Citizenship does
not entitle us to be popular. If you want people to like you, stop
antagonizing them with stupid fights over the pledge or public
displays of crosses or other useless "causes."
So "Black Like Me" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me )
was all a big fucking lie?
It's been what, fifty years?
And what, minorities have all been eliminated? Unfair treatment under
the law is a thing of the past?
What's unfair about being a minority? You aren't promised a seat in
Congress.
I wish I could live in your candy-colored world, where children laugh
and play under gumdrop trees and drink from rivers of chocolate.
Nice straw you got there? Do you get a discount by the truckload?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When people say they intend to kill you, take them seriously."
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
18 Mar 2006 12:16:18 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9789D9747956Ffstone69@81.174.50.80...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:4oqdnYgbhavG04bZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9789AEC9B16E3fstone69@81.174.50.80...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:4swSf.66363$%84.1767@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142559895.126407.21100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all
citizens enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular minority,
we invariably face de facto prejudice and bias. Granted, we don't
have much room to complain compared to other minorities, like
gays, but as someone else pointed out, a vocal athiest stands a
snowball's chance in hell of becoming president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist would
be extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word atheist,
and thanks to 2000 years of religious slander it means amoral,
puppy-raping, satanic communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more like
1.3 class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in the
streets or denied the right to marry the person we love, in fact
we have it pretty good, but we still get the stink eye from the
swarming, religious majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-***** "A"
emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt
discrimination. ;-) And I imagine that if african americans could
alter their skin color at will, they'd see a lot LESS overt
discrimination. We gain that .6 of a class only because we can
blend in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
We enjoy full and complete citizenship, and if I were an
identifying symbol 24/7 that would not change. Citizenship does
not entitle us to be popular. If you want people to like you, stop
antagonizing them with stupid fights over the pledge or public
displays of crosses or other useless "causes."
So "Black Like Me" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me )
was all a big fucking lie?
It's been what, fifty years?
And what, minorities have all been eliminated? Unfair treatment under
the law is a thing of the past?
What's unfair about being a minority? You aren't promised a seat in
Congress.
Ah, so your "fifty year" comment was just a red herring?
I wish I could live in your candy-colored world, where children laugh
and play under gumdrop trees and drink from rivers of chocolate.
Nice straw you got there? Do you get a discount by the truckload?
You're the one claiming that there's no discrimination in the US. Are you
serious about that claim?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
18 Mar 2006 06:07:56 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:Hf-dnR1pQPUvOIbZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9789D9747956Ffstone69@81.174.50.80...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9789AEC9B16E3fstone69@81.174.50.80...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142559895.126407.21100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all
citizens enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular
minority, we invariably face de facto prejudice and bias.
Granted, we don't have much room to complain compared to other
minorities, like gays, but as someone else pointed out, a vocal
athiest stands a snowball's chance in hell of becoming
president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist
would be extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word
atheist, and thanks to 2000 years of religious slander it means
amoral, puppy-raping, satanic communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more
like 1.3 class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in
the streets or denied the right to marry the person we love, in
fact we have it pretty good, but we still get the stink eye from
the swarming, religious majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-*****
"A" emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt
discrimination. ;-) And I imagine that if african americans
could alter their skin color at will, they'd see a lot LESS
overt discrimination. We gain that .6 of a class only because we
can blend in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
We enjoy full and complete citizenship, and if I were an
identifying symbol 24/7 that would not change. Citizenship does
not entitle us to be popular. If you want people to like you,
stop antagonizing them with stupid fights over the pledge or
public displays of crosses or other useless "causes."
So "Black Like Me" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me )
was all a big fucking lie?
It's been what, fifty years?
And what, minorities have all been eliminated? Unfair treatment
under the law is a thing of the past?
What's unfair about being a minority? You aren't promised a seat in
Congress.
Ah, so your "fifty year" comment was just a red herring?
No. It's been fifty years since "Black Like Me" was published. Legal
discrimination is not legal any more.
I wish I could live in your candy-colored world, where children
laugh and play under gumdrop trees and drink from rivers of
chocolate.
Nice straw you got there? Do you get a discount by the truckload?
You're the one claiming that there's no discrimination in the US. Are
you serious about that claim?
Don't be ridiculous. Discrimination under the law has been eliminated.
The law is not responsible for people's attitudes.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When people say they intend to kill you, take them seriously."
.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
18 Mar 2006 12:40:49 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142559895.126407.21100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all
citizens enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular
minority, we invariably face de facto prejudice and bias.
Granted, we don't have much room to complain compared to other
minorities, like gays, but as someone else pointed out, a vocal
athiest stands a snowball's chance in hell of becoming
president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist
would be extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word
atheist, and thanks to 2000 years of religious slander it means
amoral, puppy-raping, satanic communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more
like 1.3 class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in
the streets or denied the right to marry the person we love, in
fact we have it pretty good, but we still get the stink eye from
the swarming, religious majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-*****
"A" emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt
discrimination. ;-) And I imagine that if african americans
could alter their skin color at will, they'd see a lot LESS
overt discrimination. We gain that .6 of a class only because we
can blend in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
We enjoy full and complete citizenship, and if I were an
identifying symbol 24/7 that would not change. Citizenship does
not entitle us to be popular. If you want people to like you,
stop antagonizing them with stupid fights over the pledge or
public displays of crosses or other useless "causes."
So "Black Like Me" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me )
was all a big fucking lie?
It's been what, fifty years?
And what, minorities have all been eliminated? Unfair treatment
under the law is a thing of the past?
What's unfair about being a minority? You aren't promised a seat in
Congress.
Ah, so your "fifty year" comment was just a red herring?
No. It's been fifty years since "Black Like Me" was published. Legal
discrimination is not legal any more.
So passing a law solves the problem?
Murder isn't legal either. Does it still happen?
I wish I could live in your candy-colored world, where children
laugh and play under gumdrop trees and drink from rivers of
chocolate.
Nice straw you got there? Do you get a discount by the truckload?
You're the one claiming that there's no discrimination in the US. Are
you serious about that claim?
Don't be ridiculous. Discrimination under the law has been eliminated.
The law is not responsible for people's attitudes.
I guess you do believe that passing a law solves the problem.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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18 Mar 2006 01:23:48 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all
citizens enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular
minority, we invariably face de facto prejudice and bias.
Granted, we don't have much room to complain compared to other
minorities, like gays, but as someone else pointed out, a
vocal athiest stands a snowball's chance in hell of becoming
president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist
would be extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word
atheist, and thanks to 2000 years of religious slander it
means amoral, puppy-raping, satanic communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more
like 1.3 class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in
the streets or denied the right to marry the person we love,
in fact we have it pretty good, but we still get the stink eye
from the swarming, religious majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-*****
"A" emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt
discrimination. ;-) And I imagine that if african americans
could alter their skin color at will, they'd see a lot LESS
overt discrimination. We gain that .6 of a class only because
we can blend in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
We enjoy full and complete citizenship, and if I were an
identifying symbol 24/7 that would not change. Citizenship
does not entitle us to be popular. If you want people to like
you, stop antagonizing them with stupid fights over the pledge
or public displays of crosses or other useless "causes."
So "Black Like Me" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me
) was all a big fucking lie?
It's been what, fifty years?
And what, minorities have all been eliminated? Unfair treatment
under the law is a thing of the past?
What's unfair about being a minority? You aren't promised a seat in
Congress.
Ah, so your "fifty year" comment was just a red herring?
No. It's been fifty years since "Black Like Me" was published. Legal
discrimination is not legal any more.
So passing a law solves the problem?
What was that you said in your response to Fester about not saying
anything about solving the problem?
Oh, yeah...
me:
Don't be ridiculous. Discrimination under the law has been
eliminated. The law is not responsible for people's attitudes.
fester:
Poor li'l leftist wants mommy government to solve all his problems
for him.
denis:
Have I said *****-all about solving anything?
No, I have not.
{end of copied section}
Murder isn't legal either. Does it still happen?
So do you want the government to solve the problem for you or not?
I wish I could live in your candy-colored world, where children
laugh and play under gumdrop trees and drink from rivers of
chocolate.
Nice straw you got there? Do you get a discount by the truckload?
You're the one claiming that there's no discrimination in the US.
Are you serious about that claim?
Don't be ridiculous. Discrimination under the law has been
eliminated. The law is not responsible for people's attitudes.
I guess you do believe that passing a law solves the problem.
I guess you've decided to have it both ways.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When people say they intend to kill you, take them seriously."
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
18 Mar 2006 04:19:35 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"CCJ" <cj.ciaramella@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142559895.126407.21100@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Fester wrote:
"We have all the rights privileges and immunities that all
citizens enjoy ..."
Of course we do, at least on paper, but as an unpopular
minority, we invariably face de facto prejudice and bias.
Granted, we don't have much room to complain compared to other
minorities, like gays, but as someone else pointed out, a
vocal athiest stands a snowball's chance in hell of becoming
president.
That's pretty much the way of it.
President, hell, running for any office as an avowed atheist
would be extremely and unfairly difficult. People see the word
atheist, and thanks to 2000 years of religious slander it
means amoral, puppy-raping, satanic communist.
I wouldn't call us second class citizens, per say. Maybe more
like 1.3 class citizens. We're not going to get hosed down in
the streets or denied the right to marry the person we love,
in fact we have it pretty good, but we still get the stink eye
from the swarming, religious majority.
I put it to you that if atheists all had a bright red, big-*****
"A" emblasoned on their foreheads, we'd see a lot more overt
discrimination. ;-) And I imagine that if african americans
could alter their skin color at will, they'd see a lot LESS
overt discrimination. We gain that .6 of a class only because
we can blend in better than other minorities.
That's not a comforting thought.
We enjoy full and complete citizenship, and if I were an
identifying symbol 24/7 that would not change. Citizenship
does not entitle us to be popular. If you want people to like
you, stop antagonizing them with stupid fights over the pledge
or public displays of crosses or other useless "causes."
So "Black Like Me" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me
) was all a big fucking lie?
It's been what, fifty years?
And what, minorities have all been eliminated? Unfair treatment
under the law is a thing of the past?
What's unfair about being a minority? You aren't promised a seat in
Congress.
Ah, so your "fifty year" comment was just a red herring?
No. It's been fifty years since "Black Like Me" was published. Legal
discrimination is not legal any more.
So passing a law solves the problem?
What was that you said in your response to Fester about not saying
anything about solving the problem?
I'm not saying anything about solving the problem. YOU'RE saying that
passing laws solves the problem. I'm saying you're full of *****.
Oh, yeah...
me:
Don't be ridiculous. Discrimination under the law has been
eliminated. The law is not responsible for people's attitudes.
fester:
Poor li'l leftist wants mommy government to solve all his problems
for him.
denis:
Have I said *****-all about solving anything?
No, I have not.
{end of copied section}
Thanks for the recap that shows you're full of *****.
Murder isn't legal either. Does it still happen?
So do you want the government to solve the problem for you or not?
Yes, but I know it can't. To assume it does is nothing more than wishful
thinking.
I wish I could live in your candy-colored world, where children
laugh and play under gumdrop trees and drink from rivers of
chocolate.
Nice straw you got there? Do you get a discount by the truckload?
You're the one claiming that there's no discrimination in the US.
Are you serious about that claim?
Don't be ridiculous. Discrimination under the law has been
eliminated. The law is not responsible for people's attitudes.
I guess you do believe that passing a law solves the problem.
I guess you've decided to have it both ways.
I am not suggesting a solution to the problem. You're the one who thinks you
are.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
18 Mar 2006 04:55:22 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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<...>
Ah, so your "fifty year" comment was just a red herring?
No. It's been fifty years since "Black Like Me" was published.
Legal discrimination is not legal any more.
So passing a law solves the problem?
What was that you said in your response to Fester about not saying
anything about solving the problem?
I'm not saying anything about solving the problem. YOU'RE saying that
passing laws solves the problem. I'm saying you're full of *****.
*I* didn't say anything about solving problems. *YOU* said that.
Oh, yeah...
me:
Don't be ridiculous. Discrimination under the law has been
eliminated. The law is not responsible for people's attitudes.
fester:
Poor li'l leftist wants mommy government to solve all his problems
for him.
denis:
Have I said *****-all about solving anything?
No, I have not.
{end of copied section}
Thanks for the recap that shows you're full of *****.
Those were your words, not mine.
Murder isn't legal either. Does it still happen?
So do you want the government to solve the problem for you or not?
Yes, but I know it can't. To assume it does is nothing more than
wishful thinking.
You're determined to misinterpret what I said, aren't you?
<...>
I guess you do believe that passing a law solves the problem.
I guess you've decided to have it both ways.
I am not suggesting a solution to the problem. You're the one who
thinks you are.
Where did I say that the law was a solution? You keep confusing legal
discrimination with social prejudice.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When people say they intend to kill you, take them seriously."
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
18 Mar 2006 05:59:34 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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<...>
Ah, so your "fifty year" comment was just a red herring?
No. It's been fifty years since "Black Like Me" was published.
Legal discrimination is not legal any more.
So passing a law solves the problem?
What was that you said in your response to Fester about not saying
anything about solving the problem?
I'm not saying anything about solving the problem. YOU'RE saying that
passing laws solves the problem. I'm saying you're full of *****.
*I* didn't say anything about solving problems. *YOU* said that.
No, you said "Legal discrimination is not legal any more." as if that solved
the problem of discrimination.
Oh, yeah...
me:
Don't be ridiculous. Discrimination under the law has been
eliminated. The law is not responsible for people's attitudes.
fester:
Poor li'l leftist wants mommy government to solve all his problems
for him.
denis:
Have I said *****-all about solving anything?
No, I have not.
{end of copied section}
Thanks for the recap that shows you're full of *****.
Those were your words, not mine.
"Legal discrimination is not legal any more." Sure sounds like "Mission
Accomplished!"
Murder isn't legal either. Does it still happen?
So do you want the government to solve the problem for you or not?
Yes, but I know it can't. To assume it does is nothing more than
wishful thinking.
You're determined to misinterpret what I said, aren't you?
WTF? I answered your question. I know the government can't fix the problems
of discrimination, or murder. To think it can is silly. What did I
"misinterpret"?
I guess you do believe that passing a law solves the problem.
I guess you've decided to have it both ways.
I am not suggesting a solution to the problem. You're the one who
thinks you are.
Where did I say that the law was a solution? You keep confusing legal
discrimination with social prejudice.
You uttered "Legal discrimination is not legal any more." as if that was a
solution to discrimination.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The fight over, "In God We Trust" |
18 Mar 2006 09:54:44 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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<...>
Thanks for the recap that shows you're full of *****.
Those were your words, not mine.
"Legal discrimination is not legal any more." Sure sounds like
"Mission Accomplished!"
You used the example of the book about legal discrimination, "Black Like
Me". I can't help it if your example wasn't pertinent. You kept
insisting that it was.
Murder isn't legal either. Does it still happen?
So do you want the government to solve the problem for you or not?
Yes, but I know it can't. To assume it does is nothing more than
wishful thinking.
You're determined to misinterpret what I said, aren't you?
WTF? I answered your question. I know the government can't fix the
problems of discrimination, or murder. To think it can is silly. What
did I "misinterpret"?
I guess you do believe that passing a law solves the problem.
I guess you've decided to have it both ways.
I am not suggesting a solution to the problem. You're the one who
thinks you are.
Where did I say that the law was a solution? You keep confusing legal
discrimination with social prejudice.
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