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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Gactimus"
Date: 03 Feb 2005 03:19:40 PM
Object: The Gay Tax
Many people will regard the imposition of a tax on male homosexuals as a
controversial move; some might even see it as (on the face of it) bordering
on the illiberal. It is not my intention to stir up needless controversy,
however. I merely wish to make what might in saner times be considered an
obvious point; that it is far better, given that the government wastes
every penny of money given to it, that the incidence of taxation fall
heaviest on those members of society whose propensity to waste their own
money is highest.
Everyone knows, and a few clever souls have already managed to exploit
commercially the fact that gay men will buy almost any old crap as long as
it is marketed to them as being in some way "camp" or "ironic". This
constitutes a de facto "gay tax", levied by the private sector, and used in
the production of valueless, joyless, soulless plastic crap.
This makes no sense. In the United Kingdom, they have something called the
"National Health Service", which cures Brits when they are ill and gives
them a free dental check up when they reach the age of retirement. In the
United Kingdom they also have something called the "tedious fucking NHS
government spending bore", which is a kind of person who, whenever the
government spends money on providing mindless entertainment for the poor
proles, pipes up with a self-righteous whine of "That Money Could Have Been
Spent On The NHS!!!!". Preferably illustrated with a picture of a poor
little kiddy/granny, who has had to wait for their nasal polyp operation
for a few weeks longer because the government dared to hand some of the
public's money back to the public.
This kind of argument is, of course, indefensible. But nevertheless, it
sticks in the craw a bit to see roads go unrepaired and dead dogs rot in
the streets while the gays of this country waste their money on Hello Kitty
oven gloves. Tax it and use the money for AIDS research; even the gays
would be in support of that, probably.
This would also be a progressive tax in that statistics show that gay men
are typically better off than the national average. Lesbians, on the other
hand, typically earn less than the national average. So by this logic, they
ought to be subsidised. Can we build a "Rainbow Coalition" behind the idea
of subsidised lesbianism? I like to think so.
Radical ideas never have it easy. But I think that this proposal will find
more support than most.
.

User: "Gregory Gadow"

Title: Re: The Gay Tax 03 Feb 2005 05:06:38 PM
Applying your "logic", having children pose a *tremendous* burden on the health
care system. There is a lot that can go wrong with a pregnancy, and adding new
people in to the system only increases the number of people clamoring for care.
Therefore, there is far stronger need for a "breeder tax" that will discourage
heterosexuals from their wasteful, socially destructive behaviors.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: The Gay Tax 03 Feb 2005 07:34:48 PM
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote

Applying your "logic", having children pose a
*tremendous* burden on the health care system.
There is a lot that can go wrong with a
pregnancy, and adding new people in to the
system only increases the number of people
clamoring for care.

That's just a drop in the bucket.
In my neighborhood, a parent of three kids has to
live in the same house, paying property taxes, for
more than 75 years before they contribute a
single dime to the police & fire department... or
the roads & sidewalks... or the playgrounds
their kids play in... or the street lights... the snow
ploughs... the library...
Why is that? Because they re-assessed the property
values & upped the taxes! Before that a parent
of three kids had to wait something like 120 years
before contributing a single dime to anything other
than educating their own kids. Their "Share" of
the tax burden only covered a fraction of the cost
of education.
Their property tax covers maybe -- and I do mean
"Maybe" -- one half the cost of one child per
year. Considering it's a standard K-through-12
school system, that's 13 years of education per
child, or more than 26 years worth of property
taxes to pay for those 13 years of education.
Now add a second kid and we see that the parent
has to pay more than 52 years worth of property
taxes before contributing to any other community
expenses. A third kid in public school pushes it
up to 78 years.
And, oh, did you know that parents -- especially
mothers -- cost employers more? Not just from
the expense of giving birth, but because they are
far more likely to take time off/call in sick.
They get sick, they stay home... their kid gets sick,
they stay home... the school play... school was
cancelled... "Well, *Someone* had to pick them up
after the tap-dancing lessons"... On & on...
.
User: "ouroboros rex"

Title: Re: The Gay Tax 03 Feb 2005 07:57:43 PM
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b6dnZN9vqqU5p_fRVn-3w@comcast.com...


"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote

Applying your "logic", having children pose a
*tremendous* burden on the health care system.
There is a lot that can go wrong with a
pregnancy, and adding new people in to the
system only increases the number of people
clamoring for care.


That's just a drop in the bucket.

In my neighborhood, a parent of three kids has to
live in the same house, paying property taxes, for
more than 75 years before they contribute a
single dime to the police & fire department... or
the roads & sidewalks... or the playgrounds
their kids play in... or the street lights... the snow
ploughs... the library...

Why is that? Because they re-assessed the property
values & upped the taxes! Before that a parent
of three kids had to wait something like 120 years
before contributing a single dime to anything other
than educating their own kids. Their "Share" of
the tax burden only covered a fraction of the cost
of education.

Their property tax covers maybe -- and I do mean
"Maybe" -- one half the cost of one child per
year. Considering it's a standard K-through-12
school system, that's 13 years of education per
child, or more than 26 years worth of property
taxes to pay for those 13 years of education.
Now add a second kid and we see that the parent
has to pay more than 52 years worth of property
taxes before contributing to any other community
expenses. A third kid in public school pushes it
up to 78 years.

rofl So your school district receives absolutely no funds besides local
property taxes?


And, oh, did you know that parents -- especially
mothers -- cost employers more? Not just from
the expense of giving birth, but because they are
far more likely to take time off/call in sick.

They get sick, they stay home... their kid gets sick,
they stay home... the school play... school was
cancelled... "Well, *Someone* had to pick them up
after the tap-dancing lessons"... On & on...

Yeah, it's called human life. Darn those ol' humans anyway!
.
User: "Gregory Gadow"

Title: Re: The Gay Tax 03 Feb 2005 08:34:32 PM
ouroboros rex wrote:

"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b6dnZN9vqqU5p_fRVn-3w@comcast.com...


"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote

Applying your "logic", having children pose a
*tremendous* burden on the health care system.
There is a lot that can go wrong with a
pregnancy, and adding new people in to the
system only increases the number of people
clamoring for care.


That's just a drop in the bucket.

In my neighborhood, a parent of three kids has to
live in the same house, paying property taxes, for
more than 75 years before they contribute a
single dime to the police & fire department... or
the roads & sidewalks... or the playgrounds
their kids play in... or the street lights... the snow
ploughs... the library...

Why is that? Because they re-assessed the property
values & upped the taxes! Before that a parent
of three kids had to wait something like 120 years
before contributing a single dime to anything other
than educating their own kids. Their "Share" of
the tax burden only covered a fraction of the cost
of education.

Their property tax covers maybe -- and I do mean
"Maybe" -- one half the cost of one child per
year. Considering it's a standard K-through-12
school system, that's 13 years of education per
child, or more than 26 years worth of property
taxes to pay for those 13 years of education.
Now add a second kid and we see that the parent
has to pay more than 52 years worth of property
taxes before contributing to any other community
expenses. A third kid in public school pushes it
up to 78 years.


rofl So your school district receives absolutely no funds besides local
property taxes?

Throughout the United States, most of the cost of public education is paid
for through levies. A levy is when the school district asks property owners
in the district to authorize the sale of bonds. If authorized, the bonds are
sold to investors with the district getting the proceeds (the sell price,
minus a commission kept by the brokerage firm handling the sale.) The bonds
are paid off through a surcharge on the assessed value of property within
the district as part of the property tax bill.
The amount of money given to school districts from local and state
governments, and from national sources, is relatively small. With budget
cutbacks at all levels, school districts are being forced to rely more
heavily on the sale of bonds (and thus, indirectly, on property taxes.)
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
.




User: "Kang"

Title: Re: The Gay Tax 03 Feb 2005 10:27:06 PM
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in news:4202410c@x-privat.org:

Many people will regard the imposition of a tax on male homosexuals as a
controversial move; some might even see it as (on the face of it)
bordering on the illiberal. It is not my intention to stir up needless
controversy, however. I merely wish to make what might in saner times be
considered an obvious point; that it is far better, given that the
government wastes every penny of money given to it, that the incidence
of taxation fall heaviest on those members of society whose propensity
to waste their own money is highest.

Everyone knows, and a few clever souls have already managed to exploit
commercially the fact that gay men will buy almost any old crap as long
as it is marketed to them as being in some way "camp" or "ironic". This
constitutes a de facto "gay tax", levied by the private sector, and used
in the production of valueless, joyless, soulless plastic crap.

This makes no sense. In the United Kingdom, they have something called
the "National Health Service", which cures Brits when they are ill and
gives them a free dental check up when they reach the age of retirement.
In the United Kingdom they also have something called the "tedious
fucking NHS government spending bore", which is a kind of person who,
whenever the government spends money on providing mindless entertainment
for the poor proles, pipes up with a self-righteous whine of "That Money
Could Have Been Spent On The NHS!!!!". Preferably illustrated with a
picture of a poor little kiddy/granny, who has had to wait for their
nasal polyp operation for a few weeks longer because the government
dared to hand some of the public's money back to the public.

This kind of argument is, of course, indefensible. But nevertheless, it
sticks in the craw a bit to see roads go unrepaired and dead dogs rot in
the streets while the gays of this country waste their money on Hello
Kitty oven gloves. Tax it and use the money for AIDS research; even the
gays would be in support of that, probably.

This would also be a progressive tax in that statistics show that gay
men are typically better off than the national average. Lesbians, on the
other hand, typically earn less than the national average. So by this
logic, they ought to be subsidised. Can we build a "Rainbow Coalition"
behind the idea of subsidised lesbianism? I like to think so.

Radical ideas never have it easy. But I think that this proposal will
find more support than most.

I think that the very least the gay male populace owes us breeders for the
precious gift of AIDS is a little tax. Besides, everyone knows poor blacks
and hispanics breed like rabbits, not middle-class whites. The money we
"waste" on our kids is a necessary expense in order to carry the burden of
reproduction given to us by gays who have no hope of ever bearing, er,
fruit. So, to sum up: AIDS + weight of survival of the human race on our
backs = tax on gays.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Gay Tax 04 Feb 2005 11:09:42 PM
On 3 Feb 2005 23:27:06 +0100, Kang <kang@cnn.com> wrote:

So, to sum up: AIDS + weight of survival of the human race on our
backs = tax on gays.

By your logic, it would therefore be even *more socially advantageous
to tax anyone born with non-blue eyes.
--
Lavender-Velvet Revolution
http://www.gay-bible.org
.
User: "Rich Travsky "

Title: Re: The Gay Tax 07 Feb 2005 04:56:57 AM
wrote:


On 3 Feb 2005 23:27:06 +0100, Kang <kang@cnn.com> wrote:

So, to sum up: AIDS + weight of survival of the human race on our
backs = tax on gays.


By your logic, it would therefore be even *more socially advantageous
to tax anyone born with non-blue eyes.

Non blue eyes AND non blonde hair? heh heh
It would fit this administration.
RT
.



User: "sanguinevikings"

Title: Re: The Gay Tax 03 Feb 2005 05:07:42 PM
Gactimus wrote:

Radical ideas never have it easy. But I think that this proposal will find
more support than most.

Thinking really isn't your bag, is it?
.

User: "Arne Adolfsen"

Title: Re: The Gay Tax 04 Feb 2005 02:38:27 PM
Gactimus wrote:
[deleted]
I just love it when people write things anonymously that even they won't
stand behind. It makes me feel all "runny" inside.
Arne
adolfsen@earthlink.net
.
User: "Maaxx"

Title: Re: The Gay Tax 06 Feb 2005 04:23:45 PM
Arne Adolfsen <adolfsen@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4203953E.80C8837C@earthlink.net:

Gactimus wrote:

[deleted]

I just love it when people write things anonymously that even they won't
stand behind. It makes me feel all "runny" inside.

Queer.
.



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