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Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ
1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the GOSPEL I preached to you,
which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this
GOSPEL you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to
you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he
was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the
Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Peter,[b] and then to the Twelve.
6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at
the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen
asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and
last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
9For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be
called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by
the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without
effect. No, I worked harder than all of them-yet not I, but the grace
of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it was I or they, this is
what we preach, and this is what you believed.
The Resurrection of the Dead
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead,
how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has
been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is
useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to
be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he
raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the
dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has
not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your
faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who
have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have
hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of
those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man,
the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in
Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his
own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who
belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the
kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion,
authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his
enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
27For he "has put everything under his feet."[c] Now when it says that
"everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not
include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has
done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put
everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
29Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are
baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are
people baptized for them? 30And as for us, why do we endanger
ourselves every hour? 31I die every day-I mean that, brothers-just as
surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought
wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained?
If the dead are not raised,
"Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die."[d] 33Do not be misled: "Bad company
corrupts good character." 34Come back to your senses as you ought, and
stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God-I say this to
your shame.
The Resurrection Body
35But someone may ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of
body will they come?" 36How foolish! What you sow does not come to
life unless it dies. 37When you sow, you do not plant the body that
will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But
God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he
gives its own body. 39All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of
flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40There
are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the
splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the
earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the
moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in
splendor.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is
sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in
dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised
in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So
it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[e]; the last
Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but
the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the
dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly
man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven,
so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the
likeness of the earthly man, so shall we[f] bear the likeness of the
man from heaven.
50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all
be changed- 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised
imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe
itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When
the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal
with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true:
"Death has been swallowed up in victory."[g]
55"Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"[h] 56The sting of death is sin,
and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us
the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you.
Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know
that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
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Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ
1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the GOSPEL I preached to you,
which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this
GOSPEL you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to
you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he
was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the
Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Peter,[b] and then to the Twelve.
6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at
the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen
asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and
last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

9For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be
called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by
the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without
effect. No, I worked harder than all of them-yet not I, but the grace
of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it was I or they, this is
what we preach, and this is what you believed.

The Resurrection of the Dead
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead,
how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has
been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is
useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to
be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he
raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the
dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has
not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your
faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who
have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have
hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of
those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man,
the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in
Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his
own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who
belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the
kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion,
authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his
enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
27For he "has put everything under his feet."[c] Now when it says that
"everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not
include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has
done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put
everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

29Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are
baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are
people baptized for them? 30And as for us, why do we endanger
ourselves every hour? 31I die every day-I mean that, brothers-just as
surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought
wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained?
If the dead are not raised,
"Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die."[d] 33Do not be misled: "Bad company
corrupts good character." 34Come back to your senses as you ought, and
stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God-I say this to
your shame.

The Resurrection Body
35But someone may ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of
body will they come?" 36How foolish! What you sow does not come to
life unless it dies. 37When you sow, you do not plant the body that
will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But
God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he
gives its own body. 39All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of
flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40There
are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the
splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the
earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the
moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in
splendor.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is
sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in
dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised
in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So
it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[e]; the last
Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but
the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the
dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly
man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven,
so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the
likeness of the earthly man, so shall we[f] bear the likeness of the
man from heaven.

50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all
be changed- 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised
imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe
itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When
the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal
with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true:
"Death has been swallowed up in victory."[g]
55"Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"[h] 56The sting of death is sin,
and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us
the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you.
Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know
that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

Nice.

The Resurrection of Jesus
A Child's View
A little girl was lying on the floor with her crayons and a large drawing
pad when her father came into the room and asked, "What are you drawing,
honey?" Without looking up, she replied, "I'm drawing a picture of God."
Her father smiled and said, "But no one knows what God looks like."
Without a pause, she retorted, "They will when I am finished."
(1 Corinthians 15:1-19 NASB) Chapter 15
The Fact of Christ's Resurrection
1 Now ?a?I make known to you, brethren, the ?b?gospel which I
preached to you, which also you received, ?c?in which also you
stand,
2 by which also you are saved, ?a?if you hold fast ?1?the word
which I preached to you, ?b?unless you believed in vain.
3 For ?a?I delivered to you ?1?as of first importance what I
also received, that Christ died ?b?for our sins ?c?according to the
Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He was ?a?raised on the third
day ?b?according to the Scriptures,
5 and that ?a?He appeared to ?b?Cephas, then ?c?to the twelve.
6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at
one time, most of whom remain until now, but some ?a?have fallen
asleep;
7 then He appeared to ?1??a?James, then to ?b?all the apostles;
8 and last of all, as ?1?to one untimely born, ?a?He appeared to
me also.
9 For I am ?a?the least of the apostles, ?1?and not fit to be
called an apostle, because I ?b?persecuted the church of God.
10 But by ?a?the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace
toward me did not prove vain; but I ?b?labored even more than all of
them, yet ?c?not I, but the grace of God with me.
11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you
believed.
12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the
dead, how do some among you say that there ?a?is no resurrection of
the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ
has been raised;
14 and ?a?if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is
vain, your faith also is vain.
15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God,
because we testified ?1?against God that He ?a?raised ?2?Christ,
whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been
raised;
17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless;
?a?you are still in your sins.
18 Then those also who ?a?have fallen asleep in Christ have
perished.
19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are ?a?of
all men most to be pitied.
[1]
This chapter is the most extensive treatment of resurrection in the
Bible. Both the resurrection of Jesus Christ as recorded in the gospels
and the resurrection of believers as promised in the gospels are here
explained.[2]
REALLY BELIEVING THE GOSPEL
A Topical Study of (1 Corinthians 15:2-4)
"Gospel" is a word we hear frequently. One of the fastest-growing
segments of the music market is gospel music. We speak of "old-time"
gospel meetings, and of ministers of the gospel. Gospel is a word we use
to describe music, meetings, and ministers. But what exactly is the
gospel?
The Greek word translated "Gospel" is euangelion, and has its origins in
the soap merchants of ancient times who would advertise their wares by
calling out, "Good news!" upon entering a town. In those days before
deodorant or cologne, the arrival of soap was good news indeed!
How fitting, then, that those who went from city to city sharing the Good
News that people could be cleansed from the stench of their sin would,
like their soap- merchant counterparts, be called evangelists. In the
text before us, Paul defines their message: first, that Christ died, and
second, that He rose again-both according to Scripture.
..how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures
1 Corinthians 15:3 (b)
That Christ would die for our sins is seen clearly throughout the Old
Testament.
.. Psalm 22 presents a clear and accurate description of the process
of crucifixion centuries before crucifixion was first practiced.
.. Psalm 69 speaks of the vinegar Jesus would be offered to drink on
the Cross.
.. Isaiah 50 foretells that Jesus would be spat upon, that His beard
would be plucked, that He would be hit in the face.
.. Isaiah 52 and 53 describe how Jesus would be beaten for our sins,
bruised for our iniquities.
When Paul said Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, no
doubt he had these passages in mind.
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to
the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:4
Like the Crucifixion, the Resurrection is also seen throughout the Old
Testament..
For three days and nights he was in the belly of the great fish. Thinking
he had died and was in hell itself, Jonah cried out to the Father, Who
"resurrected" him when the whale spit him onto dry land (Jonah 2:10).
In Genesis we find an even more descriptive picture..
"Take thy son, thine only son unto a mountain I shall show thee of and
there offer him as a sacrifice unto Me," God said. Abraham carried fire
and a knife while Isaac carried the wood. Together, father and son set
off toward a mount called Moriah. At the bottom of the mountain, Abraham
said to the two servants who accompanied them, "You stay here. My son and
I will go up and worship and we will come again unto thee."
When Abraham and Isaac reached the top of the mountain, Isaac said,
"Here's the wood. There's the fire. But where's the sacrifice?"
And Abraham looked at his son and said, "God will provide Himself a lamb"
(Genesis 22:8). Not, "God will provide for Himself a lamb," but, "God
will provide Himself a lamb." He will be the Lamb.
I don't know if Abraham understood the significance of his statement. I'm
not sure Isaac got it at all. But as Abraham was ready to plunge a knife
through the chest of his only son, God said, "Stop, Abraham. Now I know
that you fear God."
The picture is as complete as it can be-for that mountain called Moriah
is today called Calvary. The very spot Abraham was ready to offer his
son, Isaac, is the spot God did, indeed, offer His only Son, Jesus
Christ.
Even as Isaac carried the wood, Jesus carried the Cross. Even as Jesus
was crucified between two thieves, Isaac walked with two servants. Even
as Abraham was ready to put a knife through his son, a spear pierced the
Son of Man. Even as Abraham had fire in his hand, the fiery wrath of
God's holy indignation was hurled down upon His Son as He bore my sin and
yours.
One of the most powerful portraits of the Resurrection is seen in the law
itself..
When a person was cleansed of leprosy, the priest would take two birds,
one of which would be killed over running water and placed in an earthen
jar. The second bird, along with cedar wood, scarlet, and hyssop, would
be dipped into the blood of the first bird and then released (Leviticus
14).
Jesus, the One who left the "nest" of heaven to come and dwell among us,
confined Himself in an earthen vessel, His earthly body. The running
water speaks of the living water He proclaimed Himself to be (John 4:10),
as well as the water that gushed forth when a spear was thrust into His
side (John 19:34). The wood speaks of the Cross; scarlet of His blood,
hyssop of that which was offered Him to drink. As the living bird,
sprinkled with the blood of the sacrificial bird, soared back into the
sky, the picture of Resurrection was complete.
As seen in our text, the gospel is two-fold: Jesus died for our sin and
rose again. We who name the Name of Jesus believe the gospel-especially
the first half. We believe Jesus died for our sin. But do we truly
believe the second aspect of the gospel? Do you really believe that Jesus
Christ is alive, that right now, by His Spirit, He lives within you, that
physically He's in heaven praying for you? If you do, today and every day
is Easter Sunday..
Mary was heartbroken. She went to the tomb that Sunday morning but
realized Jesus' body wasn't there.
"What are you seeking?" the "gardener" asked her.
"If you have taken the body of my Lord, tell me where you have laid Him
and I will take Him away," she said (see John 20:15).
But when she heard this One whom she supposed to be the gardener speak
her name, she threw her arms around Him, recognizing Him to be Jesus.
Was Mary excited because of the validation of the atoning work of Christ
on the Cross? Was she elated because the Millennial reign could be
instituted eventually? I don't think so. I believe that Mary and the
others who were caught up in the wonder of Easter were not thinking about
the theological or eschatological ramifications of the Resurrection. No,
the reason Mary hugged Jesus and wouldn't let Him go is because her
Friend was with her again-and that was all that mattered.
What if we believed this? What if we really believed not only that Jesus
died for our sins, but that He has risen again and is here with us today,
right now? We wouldn't be saying, "Woe is me. What am I going to do about
this situation, about those bills, about that obligation?" No, we'd be
saying, "Good News! Jesus is alive! He's here!" He who truly believes the
gospel cannot help but be hilariously happy.
Terrified by reports that the Assyrians were on the move, the Israelites
sent emissaries south to set up an alliance with the Egyptians.
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but
not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that
they may add sin to sin: That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not
asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh,
and to trust in the shadow of Egypt! Therefore shall the strength of
Pharaoh be your shame, and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your
confusion. For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel; In
returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence
shall be your strength: and ye would not. Isaiah 30:1-3, 15
The Lord says the same thing to us today. "In returning to Me, you'll be
saved. In quietness and confidence-literally in lingering with Me-shall
be your strength."
If Jesus is not risen, we better get counsel from the Egyptians. We
better set up an alliance. We better run here and go there and get all
the help we can.
If, on the other hand, we truly believe the Good News that Jesus not only
died for our sins, but that He rose again, we can cast our care upon Him,
talk to Him, linger with Him, hear from Him. Like Mary, we can wrap our
arms around Him and say, "Lord, I'm so glad You're here. What would I do
without You? You are the ultimate solution to every problem, the source
of strength for every weakness, my King, my Deliverer, my Friend."
Do you believe the gospel? Do you really believe the full gospel? To the
extent you do, happy you'll be. The Lord is risen. He is risen indeed!
[3]
==
The resurrection of Jesus Christ 15:1-11
Paul began by reaffirming their commonly held belief: Jesus Christ was
raised from the dead. In this section the apostle stressed the objective
reality of both Jesus Christ's death and resurrection.
15:1 The Corinthians and all Christians have their standing in Christ as
a result of the gospel message.
15:2 Paul did not entertain the possibility that his readers could lose
their salvation by abandoning the gospel he had preached to them. The NIV
translation captures his thought well. Their denial of the Resurrection
might indicate that some of them had not really believed the gospel.
15:3 As with the events of the Lord's Supper (11:23) Paul had heard of
the Lord Jesus' death, burial, resurrection, and post-resurrection
appearances and had then passed this information along to others.
Elsewhere he wrote that he had not received the gospel from other people
but directly from the Lord (Gal. 1:11). Probably some aspects of it came
to him one way and others another. He apparently received the essence of
the gospel on the Damascus road and learned more details from other
sources.
"He received the facts from the Apostles and others; the import of the
facts was made known to him by Christ (Gal. i. 12)."360
Three facts are primary concerning Jesus' death. He died, He died for
people's sins, and He died as the Scriptures revealed He would. These
facts received constant reaffirmation in the early preaching of the
church (cf. Acts 3:13-18; 8:32-35).
"People are wicked and sinful; they do not know God. But Christ died 'for
our sins,' not only to forgive but also to free people from their sins.
Hence Paul's extreme agitation at the Corinthians' sinfulness, because
they are thereby persisting in the very sins from which God in Christ has
saved them. This, after all, is what most of the letter is about."361
"Since Judaism did not interpret this passage messianically, at least not
in terms of a personal Messiah, and since there is no immediate
connection between the death of Jesus and the idea that his death was
'for our sins,' it is fair to say that whoever made that connection is
the 'founder of Christianity.' All the evidence points to Jesus himself,
especially at the Last Supper with his interpretation of his death in the
language of Isa. 53 as 'for you' (see on 11:23-25)."362
15:4 Burial emphasizes the finality of the Messiah's death (cf. Acts
2:29) and attests the reality of His resurrection (cf. Acts 13:29-30).
The perfect tense and passive voice of the Greek verb translated "was
raised" implies that since God raised Him He is still alive. The third
day was Sunday. Friday, the day of the crucifixion, was the first day,
and Saturday was the second. The phrase "according to the Scriptures"
probably describes the Resurrection alone in view of the structure of the
sentence (cf. Lev. 23:10-14; Ps. 16:10-11; 17:15-24; Isa. 53:10b; Hos.
6:2).
"Though the resurrection is part of the gospel message, it is not part of
the saving work of Christ on the cross. The resurrection is stated as
proof of the efficacy of Christ's death. Having accomplished redemption
by His death, Jesus Christ was 'raised because of our justification'
(Rom. 4:25). The fact that Jesus Christ is alive is part of the
Christian's good news, but individuals are saved by His death, not by His
resurrection."363
15:5 Peter was, of course, the leader of the disciples. Perhaps Paul
referred to the Lord's special appearance to Peter (Luke 24:34) because
some in the Corinthian church revered Peter (1:12) as well as because he
was the key disciple. "The twelve" refers to the 12 disciples even though
only 11 of them were alive when the Lord appeared to them. This was a way
of referring to that particular group of Jesus' followers during His
earthly ministry (Matt. 10:1).
15:6 This is the only record of this particular appearance in the New
Testament. That Jesus appeared to so many people at one time is evidence
that His resurrection body was not a spirit. Many people testified that
they had seen Him on this single occasion. Since the Resurrection took
place about 23 years before Paul wrote this epistle, it is reasonable
that the majority of this group of witnesses was still alive. Any
skeptical Corinthians could check with them.
15:7 This James was most likely the half-brother of Jesus. He became the
leader of the Jerusalem church.
The apostles as a group included Matthias who was not one of the 12
original disciples. This probably refers to a collective appearance to
all the apostles.
15:8 Paul regarded the Lord's appearance to him on the Damascus road as
an equivalent post-resurrection appearance and the Lord's last one. The
apostle may have referred to himself as he did (lit. as if to an
abortion) not because his apostleship came to him prematurely. The Lord
appointed him some time after the others. He probably did so because
compared with the backgrounds and appointments of the other apostles
Paul's were unusual.
"Since this is such an unusual term of deprecation, and since it occurs
with the article, the 'abortion,' it has often been suggested that the
Corinthians themselves have used the term to describe Paul, as one who
because of his personal weaknesses is something of a 'freak' in
comparison with other apostles, especially Apollos and Peter. Others have
suggested that the term is a play on Paul's name-Paulus, 'the little
one.' Hence they dismissed him as a 'dwarf.' This has the advantage of
helping to explain the unusual 'digression' in vv. 9-10, where he in fact
allows that he is 'least' of all the apostles; nonetheless God's grace
worked the more abundantly in his behalf.
"In any case, whether it originated with them, which seems altogether
likely, or with Paul himself in a sudden outburst of self-disparagement,
it seems hardly possible to understand this usage except as a term that
describes him vis-à-vis the Corinthians' own view of apostleship."364
Paul stressed the appearances of the risen Christ (vv. 5-9) because they
prove that His resurrection was not to a form of "spiritual" (i.e.,
noncorporeal) existence. Just as His body died and was buried so it was
raised and many witnesses saw it, often many witnesses at one time.
15:9 The apostle probably used their view of him as a "freak" to comment
on his view of himself in this verse and the next one. Evidently Paul
felt himself the least worthy to be an apostle. He did not regard his
apostleship inferior to that of the other apostles, however. The reason
for his feeling this way was the fact that while the other apostles were
building up the church he was tearing it down.
15:10 Paul's apostolic calling was a gracious gift from God. The giving
of God's grace proves vein when it does not elicit the appropriate
response of loving service. Paul responded to God's unusually great grace
to him by offering back unusually great service to God. However, he did
not view his service as self- generated but the product of God's
continual supply of grace to him. God saved Paul by grace, and Paul
served God by God's grace.
15:11 Paul and the other apostles all believed and preached the same
gospel. Paul did not proclaim a different message from what Peter, James,
and the others did. This commonly agreed on message is what the
Corinthians had believed when those who had ministered in Corinth had
preached to them. By denying the resurrection the Corinthians were
following neither Apollos, nor Cephas, nor Christ. They were pursuing a
theology of their own.
The point of this section of verses was to present the gospel message,
including the account of Jesus Christ's resurrection, as what many
reliable eyewitnesses saw and all the apostles preached. Paul did this to
stress that Jesus Christ's resurrection, which most of the Corinthians
accepted, had objective reality, not to prove that He rose from the dead.
Even though Paul had a different background from the other apostles, he
heralded the same message they did. Consequently his original readers did
not need to fear that what they had heard from him was some cultic
perversion of the truth. It was the true gospel, and they should continue
to believe it.
[4]
==
The question sometimes arises whether the gospel originated with Paul. He
says, "I delivered unto you . that which I received." From whom did he
receive it and where? He received it out yonder in that Arabian desert
where the Lord took him and taught him. When Paul was confronted by the
Lord on the Damascus road, he did not know that Jesus was back from the
dead. He asked, ". Who art thou, Lord? ." (Acts 9:5). He didn't dream
that "the Lord" was Jesus. Paul himself had to be convinced of the
resurrection of Jesus Christ. He didn't think it up. He received it.
Paul says that he declares the gospel to them. What is the gospel?
"Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was
buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the
scriptures." That is the gospel. These are the facts. My friend, there is
no gospel apart from those three facts. That is what the gospel is. Jesus
Christ died for you and for me. He was buried and He rose again. That is
gospel-t's good news.
Now suppose that you come to me today and say, "Teacher, I have good news
for you-I would like to see you become a millionaire." I would say,
"Well, that would be nice." Then you would tell me your plan. You would
say, "You get a job, and in a thousand years you will be worth a million
dollars." I would say, "Well, I sure would like to have a million
dollars; I could use it to get the gospel out, but if you think by my
working I can make a million dollars, you are wrong. That's not good
news. In fact, it is bad news!" However, suppose you come to me and say,
"I have discovered someone who was interested in you. In fact, he loved
you so much that when he died he left you a million dollars!" That, my
friend, would be good news!
The gospel does not tell us something that we must do. The gospel tells
us what Jesus Christ has already done for us. He died for our sins
according to the Scriptures, He was buried, He rose again the third day.
He died. That is an historical fact. Very few would deny that. He was
buried-that needs to be added. Why is that so important? It proves that
He didn't just disappear. It means that they actually, literally had His
body. Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathaea and the others who saw Him
crucified knew who He was. They knew it was Jesus. They buried Jesus.
That is very important. It confirms His death.
He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. The Resurrection
is a part of the gospel. The tomb was empty. That is the proof. The
gospel is that Jesus died, was buried, and rose again. This is the first
proof.
There is another proof of the Resurrection, and that is the experience of
the Corinthians. Let's listen to it again. "Moreover, brethren, I declare
unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have
received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in
memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain" (vv.
1-2). "Unless ye have believed in vain"-that is, unless it was an empty
faith.
There is a faith that is an empty faith, of course. But he says, "By
which also ye are saved." The church is the proof of the Resurrection.
There were eleven discouraged men in Jerusalem or its environs. They were
ready to go back to fishing. They had just gone through enough trouble.
If Jesus was dead, they didn't want the body out of the grave. They
wanted it to stay there. They wouldn't go break a Roman seal and face a
Roman guard to steal a body which could only bring them more trouble.
Then what happened? Word came to them that Jesus Christ had risen from
the dead! That fact transformed these men. That revolutionary fact
brought the church into existence. Through nineteen centuries there have
been millions of people who have said that Jesus Christ is alive. You
simply cannot explain the church apart from the Resurrection. I am saved
by the death and resurrection of Jesus. Without His resurrection I would
have no gospel, no living Christ, no Savior. The existence of the body of
believers is the second great proof of the Resurrection.
There is another proof. Notice that it says He died for our sins
"according to the scriptures" and that He was buried and rose again the
third day "according to the scriptures." What Scriptures? The Old
Testament Scriptures. I would love to have been with Paul the apostle
when he arrived in Europe and went to Philippi, Thessalonica, then down
to Athens, and over to Corinth. I think he had with him a parchment which
was the Old Testament. I imagine that when he went into a synagogue and
mentioned the death of the Lord Jesus, the Jews said, "But this is not in
our Scriptures." Then he would turn to the Book of Genesis and say, "I'd
like to remind you about the offering of Isaac and how Abraham received
him back from the 'dead'-he was ready to kill the boy. Now God spared not
His own Son, but delivered Him up freely for us all." Then he would turn
to the Mosaic system of sacrifice, to the five offerings in Leviticus,
and show them how they pictured Christ, then to the great Day of
Atonement and the two goats which pictured Christ's death and
resurrection. Also he would cite Aaron's rod that budded and the Book of
Jonah, which typifies resurrection. Then he would turn to Psalm 22 and
Psalm 16. He would show them Isaiah 25 and in Isaiah 53 he would point
out that He was wounded for our transgressions and He was bruised for our
iniquities. All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned everyone
to his own way, and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of all of us.
So he could show them from the Old Testament Scriptures that Jesus Christ
was to die and to rise again. The expectation of the Old Testament was
not for this life only but also for the life that is to come.
There are some folk who say they do not believe in a "hereafter religion"
they want a here-and-now religion. May I say to you that I have both-a
here-and- now religion and a hereafter religion.
[5]
==
The resurrection is the pivot on which all of Christianity turns and
without which none of the other truths wound much matter. Without the
resurrection, Christianity would be so much wishful thinking, taking its
place alongside all other human philosophy and religious speculation.
The resurrection was the focal point of every other truth Christ taught.
He taught His disciples that "?the Son of Man must suffer many things and
be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, anti be
killed, and after three days rise again?" (?Mark 8:31?; ?cf.? ?9:9?,
?31?). He said, "?I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in
Me shall live even if he dies?" (?John 11:25?). The first two sermons
preached after Pentecost both focused on the resurrection of Christ
(?Acts 2:14-36?; ?3:12-26?). Because of that truth the heart-broken
followers of the crucified Rabbi were turned into the courageous
witnesses and martyrs who, in a few years, spread the gospel across the
Roman empire and beyond. Belief in the resurrection, the truth that this
life is only a prelude to the life to come for those who trust in Jesus
Christ, could not be obliterated by ridicule, prison, torture, or even
death. No fear or dread in this life can quench the hope and joy of an
assured life to come.
True New Testament Christianity is a religion of the resurrection. John
Locke, the 18th-century British philosopher, said, "?Our Savior's
resurrection is truly of great importance in Christianity, so great that
His being or not being the Messiah stands or falls with it.?"
Because it is the cornerstone of the gospel, the resurrection has been
the target of Satan's greatest attacks against the church. If the
resurrection is eliminated, the life-giving power of the gospel is
eliminated, the deity of Christ is eliminated, salvation from sin is
eliminated, and eternal life is eliminated. "?If we have hoped in Christ
in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied?" (?1 Cor.
15:19?). If Christ did not live past the grave, those who trust in Him
surely cannot hope to do so.
[6]
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a Rom 2:16; Gal 1:11 b Rom 2:16; 1 Cor 3:6; 4:15 c Rom 5:2;
11:20; 2 Cor 1:24 a Rom 11:22 1 Lit to what word I b Gal 3:4 a 1 Cor
11:23 1 Lit among the first b John 1:29; Gal 1:4; Heb 5:1, 3; 1 Pet 2:24
c Is 53:5-12; Matt 26:24; Luke 24:25-27; Acts 8:32f; 17:2f; 26:22 a Matt
16:21; John 2:20ff; Acts 2:24 b Ps 16:8ff; Acts 2:31; 26:22f a Luke 24:34
b 1 Cor 1:12 c Mark 16:14; Luke 24:36; John 20:19 a Acts 7:60; 1 Cor
15:18, 20 1 Or Jacob a Acts 12:17 b Luke 24:33, 36f; Acts 1:3f 1 Lit to
an untimely birth a Acts 9:3-8; 22:6-11; 26:12-18; 1 Cor 9:1 a 2 Cor
12:11; Eph 3:8; 1 Tim 1:15 1 Lit who am b Acts 8:3 a Rom 12:3 b 2 Cor
11:23; Col 1:29; 1 Tim 4:10 c 1 Cor 3:6; 2 Cor 3:5; Phil 2:13 a Acts
17:32; 23:8; 2 Tim 2:18 a 1 Thess 4:14 1 Or concerning a Acts 2:24 2 I.e.
the Messiah a Rom 4:25 a 1 Cor 15:6; 1 Thess 4:16; Rev 14:13 a 1 Cor 4:9;
2 Tim 3:12
[1]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Co 15). LaHabra,
CA: The Lockman Foundation.
[2]MacArthur, J. J. (1997, c1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic
ed.) (1 Co 15:1). Nashville: Word Pub.
[3]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (1091).
Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
360 360. Robertson and Plummer, p. 333. 361 361. Fee, "Toward a . . .,"
p. 49. 362 362. Idem, The First . . ., p. 724. 363 363. Thomas L.
Constable, "The Gospel Message," in Walvoord: A Tribute, p. 203. 364 364.
Fee, The First . . ., p. 733.
[4]Tom Constable. (2003; 2003). Tom Constable's Expository Notes on the
Bible (1 Co 14:40). Galaxie Software.
[5]McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the
Thru the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (5:72). Nashville: Thomas
Nelson.
cf. confer (Lat.), compare
[6]MacArthur, J. (1996, c1984). 1 Corinthians. Includes indexes. (398).
Chicago: Moody Press.
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 03:47:32 PM
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:40:37 -0500, Free Gift wrote:

The Resurrection of Jesus

Never happened.
Next!
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 20 Mar 2007 06:53:45 PM
On Mar 18, 12:47 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:40:37 -0500, Free Gift wrote:

The Resurrection of Jesus


Never happened.

You certainly wouldn't know.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 06:16:47 PM
On Mar 18, 4:47 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:40:37 -0500, Free Gift wrote:

The Resurrection of Jesus


Never happened.

Yet we have the Christ aka Messiah... This would not be possible
without Jesus resurrection


Next!

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken

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User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 08:20:09 PM
On 18 Mar 2007 16:16:47 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism

On Mar 18, 4:47 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:40:37 -0500, Free Gift wrote:

The Resurrection of Jesus


Never happened.



Yet we have the Christ aka Messiah... This would not be possible
without Jesus resurrection

No, we have a story from an era filled with wild tales.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 20 Mar 2007 11:26:05 AM
On Mar 18, 9:20 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 16:16:47 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism

On Mar 18, 4:47 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:40:37 -0500, Free Gift wrote:

The Resurrection of Jesus


Never happened.


Yet we have the Christ aka Messiah... This would not be possible
without Jesus resurrection


No, we have a story from an era filled with wild tales.

No you have 4 stories you believe to be four Gospels
which is nothing but stupidity on your part and a result of poor
exegetical skill. And that is the issue. Don't tell me
you knew that the Apostles preached only ONE ETERNAL
GOSPEL instead of 4

--

Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

.


User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 06:21:47 PM
On 18 Mar 2007 16:16:47 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1174259807.766464.260760@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:

On Mar 18, 4:47 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:40:37 -0500, Free Gift wrote:

The Resurrection of Jesus


Never happened.



Yet we have the Christ aka Messiah...

We have assertions that Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah, but we have
no evidence that this is the case.

This would not be possible without Jesus resurrection

We have no evidence that there was a resurrection. We have claims from
early writers.
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User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 20 Mar 2007 06:56:19 PM
On Mar 18, 3:21 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 16:16:47 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1174259807.766464.260...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:

On Mar 18, 4:47 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:40:37 -0500, Free Gift wrote:

The Resurrection of Jesus


Never happened.


Yet we have the Christ aka Messiah...


We have assertions that Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah, but we have
no evidence that this is the case.

This would not be possible without Jesus resurrection


We have no evidence that there was a resurrection. We have claims from
early writers.

It's a matter of faith.. you either have it or not.
You don't. period.
.
User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 20 Mar 2007 07:05:11 PM
On 20 Mar 2007 16:56:19 -0700, in alt.atheism
lorad474@cs.com wrote in
<1174434979.124022.114620@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:

On Mar 18, 3:21 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 16:16:47 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1174259807.766464.260...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:

On Mar 18, 4:47 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:40:37 -0500, Free Gift wrote:

The Resurrection of Jesus


Never happened.


Yet we have the Christ aka Messiah...


We have assertions that Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah, but we have
no evidence that this is the case.

This would not be possible without Jesus resurrection


We have no evidence that there was a resurrection. We have claims from
early writers.


It's a matter of faith.. you either have it or not.
You don't. period.

I don't object to faith. I object when people falsely claim that their
faith somehow qualifies as evidence.
There is no evidence. That is the fact. Faith does not change that fact.
If you claim otherwise, you need to provide evidence to show that there
is evidence. Faith is not evidence, ever.
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User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 25 Mar 2007 07:59:38 PM
On Mar 20, 7:05 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

On 20 Mar 2007 16:56:19 -0700, in alt.atheism
lorad...@cs.com wrote in
<1174434979.124022.114...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:



On Mar 18, 3:21 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 16:16:47 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1174259807.766464.260...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:


On Mar 18, 4:47 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:40:37 -0500, Free Gift wrote:

The Resurrection of Jesus


Never happened.


Yet we have the Christ aka Messiah...


We have assertions that Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah, but we have
no evidence that this is the case.


This would not be possible without Jesus resurrection


We have no evidence that there was a resurrection. We have claims from
early writers.


It's a matter of faith.. you either have it or not.
You don't. period.


I don't object to faith. I object when people falsely claim that their
faith somehow qualifies as evidence.

There is no evidence. That is the fact. Faith does not change that fact.
If you claim otherwise, you need to provide evidence to show that there
is evidence. Faith is not evidence, ever.

Your ***** is not evidence either.... And you don't know how evidence
would work in this case so what is the point?
.







User: "johac"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 06:31:21 PM
In article <1174244726.466660.186100@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...

....is a myth.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 20 Mar 2007 06:57:00 PM
On Mar 18, 3:31 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174244726.466660.186...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...


...is a myth.

Just like you are.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 06:47:02 PM
On Mar 18, 7:31 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174244726.466660.186...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...


...is a myth.

It is not.... And your opinion does not matter here

--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 11:35:55 PM
In article <1174261622.928769.153820@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:

On Mar 18, 7:31 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174244726.466660.186...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...


...is a myth.



It is not.... And your opinion does not matter here

It is, and if you don't want to hear atheists opinions stop posting to
alt atheism.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 20 Mar 2007 11:33:51 AM
On Mar 19, 12:35 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174261622.928769.153...@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,

"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

On Mar 18, 7:31 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174244726.466660.186...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,


"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...


...is a myth.


It is not.... And your opinion does not matter here


It is, and if you don't want to hear atheists opinions stop posting to
alt atheism.

The Gospel is not a myth son of monkey
stop fooling yourself

--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

.


User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 08:21:13 PM
On 18 Mar 2007 16:47:02 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism

On Mar 18, 7:31 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174244726.466660.186...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...


...is a myth.



It is not.... And your opinion does not matter here

Since you insist on cross-posting to alt.atheism, yes our opinions do
matter. Don't like it, stop cross-posting!
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 20 Mar 2007 11:28:21 AM
On Mar 18, 9:21 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 16:47:02 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism

On Mar 18, 7:31 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174244726.466660.186...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,


"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...


...is a myth.


It is not.... And your opinion does not matter here


Since you insist on cross-posting to alt.atheism, yes our opinions do
matter. Don't like it, stop cross-posting!

As If you knew how God created the mind of man
to invent INTERNET. As If this forum belongs
to your iliterate father or oncle

--

Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

.
User: "justiz"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 20 Mar 2007 11:51:57 AM
On Mar 20, 6:28 pm,
wrote:

On Mar 18, 9:21 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:



On 18 Mar 2007 16:47:02 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism


On Mar 18, 7:31 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174244726.466660.186...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,


"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...


...is a myth.


It is not.... And your opinion does not matter here


Since you insist on cross-posting to alt.atheism, yes our opinions do
matter. Don't like it, stop cross-posting!


As If you knew how God created the mind of man
to invent INTERNET. As If this forum belongs
to your iliterate father or oncle

--


Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011


"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

The bible versions of jesus didn't exist till 30-40 years after his
alleged death.
Nazareth didn't exist until at least 100 years after his alleged
death. (Check out 'nazarene' for a more accurate def.)
There is nothing, zilch of jesus from the time he was alleged to
live.
Legends are notoriously easier to resurrect than real people.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 20 Mar 2007 06:45:05 PM
On Mar 20, 12:51 pm, "justiz" <izstan...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 20, 6:28 pm,

wrote:





On Mar 18, 9:21 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:


On 18 Mar 2007 16:47:02 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism


On Mar 18, 7:31 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174244726.466660.186...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,


"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...


...is a myth.


It is not.... And your opinion does not matter here


Since you insist on cross-posting to alt.atheism, yes our opinions do
matter. Don't like it, stop cross-posting!


As If you knew how God created the mind of man
to invent INTERNET. As If this forum belongs
to your iliterate father or oncle


--


Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011


"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein


The bible versions of jesus didn't exist till 30-40 years after his
alleged death.

What is bible versions of Jesus

Nazareth didn't exist until at least 100 years after his alleged
death. (Check out 'nazarene' for a more accurate def.)
There is nothing, zilch of jesus from the time he was alleged to
live.
Legends are notoriously easier to resurrect than real people.- Hide quoted text -

I know through secular historians that Emperor Nero persecuted
the Christians. I also know that a bishop of Rome named Clement
was baptized in the faith of Jesus and that Bishop wrote letters
to believers in Corinth and this took palce
in the first Century. I know that Paul lived in Rome.
I also how all this is connected to the Torah therein
Moses to the Hebrews: The Lord your God will send
you Christ, a prophet like myself, him you shall listen. Deut 18:15
That Jesus is that Christ is enough evidence...
It would not matter when the life about him was written


- Show quoted text -

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User: "cactus"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 20 Mar 2007 06:57:31 PM
wrote:

On Mar 20, 12:51 pm, "justiz" <izstan...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 20, 6:28 pm,

wrote:





On Mar 18, 9:21 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 16:47:02 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism

On Mar 18, 7:31 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174244726.466660.186...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...

...is a myth.

It is not.... And your opinion does not matter here

Since you insist on cross-posting to alt.atheism, yes our opinions do
matter. Don't like it, stop cross-posting!

As If you knew how God created the mind of man
to invent INTERNET. As If this forum belongs
to your iliterate father or oncle

--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

The bible versions of jesus didn't exist till 30-40 years after his
alleged death.

What is bible versions of Jesus

Nazareth didn't exist until at least 100 years after his alleged
death. (Check out 'nazarene' for a more accurate def.)
There is nothing, zilch of jesus from the time he was alleged to
live.
Legends are notoriously easier to resurrect than real people.- Hide quoted text -


I know through secular historians that Emperor Nero persecuted
the Christians. I also know that a bishop of Rome named Clement
was baptized in the faith of Jesus and that Bishop wrote letters
to believers in Corinth and this took palce
in the first Century. I know that Paul lived in Rome.
I also how all this is connected to the Torah therein
Moses to the Hebrews: The Lord your God will send
you Christ, a prophet like myself, him you shall listen. Deut 18:15
That Jesus is that Christ is enough evidence...
It would not matter when the life about him was written

Moses never said that. More Christian polemical wishful thinking. But
I'll give you credit - it's the least crazy thing you've spouted in
weeks. Wrong and crazy still, but a bit less hallucinatory.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 25 Mar 2007 07:57:46 PM
On Mar 20, 6:57 pm, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote:

codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:

On Mar 20, 12:51 pm, "justiz" <izstan...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 20, 6:28 pm,

wrote:


On Mar 18, 9:21 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 16:47:02 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism

On Mar 18, 7:31 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <1174244726.466660.186...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ...

...is a myth.

It is not.... And your opinion does not matter here

Since you insist on cross-posting to alt.atheism, yes our opinions do
matter. Don't like it, stop cross-posting!

As If you knew how God created the mind of man
to invent INTERNET. As If this forum belongs
to your iliterate father or oncle

--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

The bible versions of jesus didn't exist till 30-40 years after his
alleged death.

What is bible versions of Jesus


Nazareth didn't exist until at least 100 years after his alleged
death. (Check out 'nazarene' for a more accurate def.)
There is nothing, zilch of jesus from the time he was alleged to
live.
Legends are notoriously easier to resurrect than real people.- Hide quoted text -


I know through secular historians that Emperor Nero persecuted
the Christians. I also know that a bishop of Rome named Clement
was baptized in the faith of Jesus and that Bishop wrote letters
to believers in Corinth and this took palce
in the first Century. I know that Paul lived in Rome.
I also how all this is connected to the Torah therein
Moses to the Hebrews: The Lord your God will send
you Christ, a prophet like myself, him you shall listen. Deut 18:15
That Jesus is that Christ is enough evidence...
It would not matter when the life about him was written


Moses never said that. More Christian polemical wishful thinking. But
I'll give you credit - it's the least crazy thing you've spouted in
weeks. Wrong and crazy still, but a bit less hallucinatory.

And you are a Jew... Who care about your opinion?
There were many Jews like yourself who sent delegation
across the mediterrenean world to teach what Moses
taught in the Law, CURSED IS THE ONE HUNG ON THE TREE
THEREFORE JESUS COULD NOT BE THE MESSIAH because
hung on the tree. It did not matter. Why do you think
it would matter now. The Qur'an says the Jew don't even know
the real meaning of the Torah as they follow conjecture
now I know the Qur'an is right about the pig-Jews. You are
a sad case
.








User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 05:03:20 PM
On 18 Mar 2007 12:05:26 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ

So, the actual words of Jesus Christ, as recorded in the four gospels,
isn't as important as the letters written by Paul?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 06:11:07 PM
On Mar 18, 6:03 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 12:05:26 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ


So, the actual words of Jesus Christ, as recorded in the four gospels,
isn't as important as the letters written by Paul?

Even If Jesus had uttered one phrase, "it is more blessed
to give than to receive" we still will be missing nothing.
Jesus from heaven spoke through Paul.
His earthly word are not more important than his heavenly ones.
It is a mistake to think that the debate between Jesus
and the Pharisees as repoted in his life form the Gospel
This an erreneous exegesis

--

Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

.
User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 06:18:58 PM
On 18 Mar 2007 16:11:07 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1174259467.401813.236900@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:

On Mar 18, 6:03 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 12:05:26 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism

Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ


So, the actual words of Jesus Christ, as recorded in the four gospels,
isn't as important as the letters written by Paul?



Even If Jesus had uttered one phrase, "it is more blessed
to give than to receive" we still will be missing nothing.
Jesus from heaven spoke through Paul.

What evidence do you have to support that contention?

His earthly word are not more important than his heavenly ones.

I have no idea if any of the words attributed to Jesus had anything to
do with a part of the Godhead.

It is a mistake to think that the debate between Jesus
and the Pharisees as repoted in his life form the Gospel
This an erreneous exegesis

This is a bit garbled, but I'll just ask you to provide evidence to
support your view.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 06:30:47 PM
On Mar 18, 7:18 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 16:11:07 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1174259467.401813.236...@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:





On Mar 18, 6:03 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 12:05:26 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism


Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ


So, the actual words of Jesus Christ, as recorded in the four gospels,
isn't as important as the letters written by Paul?


Even If Jesus had uttered one phrase, "it is more blessed
to give than to receive" we still will be missing nothing.
Jesus from heaven spoke through Paul.


What evidence do you have to support that contention?

His earthly word are not more important than his heavenly ones.


I have no idea if any of the words attributed to Jesus had anything to
do with a part of the Godhead.

It is a mistake to think that the debate between Jesus
and the Pharisees as repoted in his life form the Gospel
This an erreneous exegesis


This is a bit garbled, but I'll just ask you to provide evidence to
support your view.- Hide quoted text -

Read for yourself the Epistle to the Galatians.
What Gospel Paul preached to them?
The Gospel according to Matthew or Mark or Luke?
None of this


- Show quoted text -

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User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: The Gospel According To Paul... The Only Gospel That Matters 18 Mar 2007 06:39:34 PM
On 18 Mar 2007 16:30:47 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1174260647.399384.65540@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>:

On Mar 18, 7:18 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 16:11:07 -0700, in alt.atheism
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1174259467.401813.236...@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:

On Mar 18, 6:03 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:

On 18 Mar 2007 12:05:26 -0700 there was an Ancient
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> who stoppeth
one in alt.atheism


Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ


So, the actual words of Jesus Christ, as recorded in the four gospels,
isn't as important as the letters written by Paul?


Even If Jesus had uttered one phrase, "it is more blessed
to give than to receive" we still will be missing nothing.
Jesus from heaven spoke through Paul.


What evidence do you have to support that contention?

His earthly word are not more important than his heavenly ones.


I have no idea if any of the words attributed to Jesus had anything to
do with a part of the Godhead.

It is a mistake to think that the debate between Jesus
and the Pharisees as repoted in his life form the Gospel
This an erreneous exegesis


This is a bit garbled, but I'll just ask you to provide evidence to
support your view.- Hide quoted text -


Read for yourself the Epistle to the Galatians.
What Gospel Paul preached to them?
The Gospel according to Matthew or Mark or Luke?
None of this

I asked for evidence, not excuses. What evidence do you have to sup