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The Gospel according to Teddy |
http://www.ytedk.com/statement.htm
"On July 18, 1969, at approximately 11:15 PM in Chappaquiddick, Martha's
Vinyard, Massachusetts, I was driving my car on Main Street on my way to get
the ferry back to Edgartown. I was unfamiliar with the road and turned right
onto ***** Road, instead of bearing hard left on Main Street. After
proceeding for approximately one-half mile on ***** Road I descended a hill
and came upon a narrow bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge.
There was one passenger with me, one Miss Mary ( Kennedy was not sure of the
spelling of the dead girl's last name, and offered a rough phonetic
approximation ), a former secretary of my brother Sen. Robert Kennedy. The
car turned over and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting on
the bottom. I attempted to open the door and the window of the car but have
no recolection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and then
repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was
still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted and in
a state of shock. I recall walking back to where my friends were eating.
There was a car parked in front of the cottage and I climbed into the back
seat. I then asked for someone to bring me back to Edgartown. I remember
walking around for a period of time and then going back to my hotel room.
When I fully realized what had happened this morning, I immediately
contacted the police."
Senator Edward Kennedy
(Original statement following the homocide at Chappaquiddick)
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J Young
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel according to Teddy |
09 Apr 2006 07:09:19 PM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"On July 18, 1969, at approximately 11:15 PM in Chappaquiddick, Martha's
The fascists are so desperate to distract from the atrocities of their
own cults that they eloborate a mythology around events that happened
nearly 40 years ago.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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09 Apr 2006 05:41:14 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.ytedk.com/statement.htm
<drivel snipped>
And yet just a few minutes earloier you posted an article complaining that:
"Teddy arrogantly lambasted Santorum within the eminent forum of the
Senate on an article written 3 years ago. This, of course, begs the
question: Why?"
Which is older, exactly?
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--sexkitten--
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel according to Teddy |
09 Apr 2006 03:37:49 PM |
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wrote:
You ***** monkeys harras kennedy but have nothing to say about Bush's
destruction of Iraq's water system and sewers and dams and 500,000 deaths
that occured because of that .
We see what the problem is, right wingers have no
sense of morality at all. Hey, what's half a million dead iraqi's, mostly
children? We don't care! Lets yelp about Kennedy again!
Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq:
"We have heard that a half million children
have died. I mean, that's more children than
died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price
worth it?"
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright:
"I think this is a very hard choice, but the
price--we think the price is worth it."
--60 Minutes (5/12/96)
http://www.progressive.org/0801issue/nagy0901.html
The Secret Behind the Sanctions
How the U.S. Intentionally Destroyed Iraq's Water
Supply by Thomas J. Nagy
Over the last two years, I've discovered documents
of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond
a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention,
the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions
against Iraq to degrade thecountry's water supply
after the Gulf War. The United States knew the
cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would
pay, and it went ahead anyway.
The primary document, "Iraq Water Treatment
Vulnerabilities," is dated January 22, 1991. It
spells out how sanctions will prevent Iraq from
supplying clean water to its citizens. "Iraq
depends on importing specialized equipment and
some chemicals to purify its water supply, most
of which is heavily mineralized and frequently
brackish to saline," the document states. "With
no domestic sources of both water treatment
replacement parts and some essential chemicals,
Iraq will continue attempts to circumvent United
Nations Sanctions to import these vital
commodities. Failing to secure supplies will
result in a shortage of pure drinking water
for much of the population. This could lead to
increased incidences, if not epidemics, of
disease."
The document goes into great technical detail
about the sources and quality of Iraq's water
supply. The quality of untreated water "generally
is poor," and drinking such water "could result
in diarrhea," the document says. It notes that
Iraq's rivers "contain biological materials,
pollutants, and are laden with bacteria. Unless
the water is purified with chlorine, epidemics
of such diseases as cholera, hepatitis, and
typhoid could occur."
The document notes that the importation of
chlorine "has been embargoed" by sanctions.
"Recent reports indicate the chlorine supply
is critically low. "Food and medicine will
also be affected, the document states.
"Food processing, electronic, and, particularly,
pharmaceutical plants require extremely pure
water that is free from biological contaminants,"
it says.
The document addresses possible Iraqi counter-
measures to obtain drinkable water despite
sanctions. "Iraq conceivably could truck water
from the mountain reservoirs to urban areas.
But the capability to gain significant quantities
is extremely limited," the document states. "The
amount of pipe on hand and the lack of pumping
stations would limit laying pipelines to these
reservoirs. Moreover, without chlorine
purification, the water still would contain
biological pollutants. Some affluent Iraqis
could obtain their own minimally adequate
supply of good quality water from Northern
Iraqi sources. If boiled, the water could be
safely consumed. Poorer Iraqis and industries
requiring large quantities of pure water would
not be able to meet their needs."
The document also discounted the possibility of
Iraqis using rainwater.
"Precipitation occurs in Iraq during the winter
and spring, but it falls primarily in the
northern mountains," it says. "Sporadic rains,
sometimes heavy, fall over the lower plains.
But Iraq could not rely on rain to provide
adequate pure water. "As an alternative, "Iraq
could try convincing the United Nations or
individual countries to exempt water treatment
supplies from sanctions for humanitarian reasons,"
the document says. "It probably also is
attempting
to purchase supplies by using some sympathetic
countries as fronts. If such attempts fail,
Iraqi alternatives are not adequate for their
national requirements."
In cold language, the document spells out what is
in store: "Iraq will suffer increasing shortages
of purified water because of the lack of required
chemicals and desalination membranes. Incidences
of disease, including possible epidemics, will
become probable unless the population were
careful to boil water. "The document gives a
timetable for the destruction of Iraq's water
supplies. "Iraq's overall water treatment
capability will suffer a slow decline, rather
than a precipitous halt," it says. "Although
Iraq is already experiencing a loss of water
treatment capability, it probably will take
at least six months (to June 1991) before the
system is fully degraded."
This document, which was partially declassified
but unpublicized in 1995, can be found on the
Pentagon's web site at www.gulflink.osd.mil.
(I disclosed this document last fall. But the
news media showed little interest in it. The only
reporters I know of who wrote lengthy stories
on it were Felicity Arbuthnot in the Sunday
Herald of Scotland, who broke the story, and
Charlie Reese of the Orlando Sentinel, who did
a follow-up.)
Recently, I have come across other DIA documents
that confirm the Pentagon's monitoring of the
degradation of Iraq's water supply. These
documents have not been publicized until now.
The first one in this batch is called "Disease
Information," and is also dated January 22, 1991.
At the top, it says, "Subject: Effects of Bombing
on Disease Occurrence in Baghdad." The analysis is
blunt: "Increased incidence of diseases will be
attributable to degradation of normal preventive
medicine, waste disposal, water purification/
distribution, electricity, and decreased ability
to control disease outbreaks. Any urban area in
Iraq that has received infrastructure damage will
have similar problems."
The document proceeds to itemize the likely
outbreaks. It mentions "acute diarrhea" brought
on by bacteria such as E. coli, shigella, and
salmonella, or by protozoa such as giardia, which
will affect "particularly children," or by
rotavirus, which will also affect "particularly
children," a phrase it puts in parentheses. And
it cites the possibilities of typhoid and cholera
outbreaks. The document warns that the Iraqi
government may "blame the United States for
public health problems created by the military
conflict." The second DIA document, "Disease
Outbreaks in Iraq," is dated February 21, 1990,
but the year is clearly a typo and should be
1991.
It states: "Conditions are favorable for
communicable disease outbreaks, particularly in
major urban areas affected by coalition bombing."
It adds: "Infectious disease prevalence in major
Iraqi urban areas targeted by coalition bombing
(Baghdad, Basrah) undoubtedly has increased since
the beginning of Desert Storm. . ..
Current public health problems are attributable to
the reduction of normal preventive medicine, waste
disposal, water purification and distribution,
electricity, and the decreased ability to control
disease outbreaks."
This document lists the "most likely diseases
during next sixty-ninety days
(descending order): diarrheal diseases
(particularly children); acute respiratory
illnesses (colds and influenza); typhoid;
hepatitis A (particularly children); measles,
diphtheria, and pertussis (particularly
children); meningitis, including meningococcal
(particularly children); cholera (possible,
but less likely)."
Like the previous document, this one warns that
the Iraqi government might "propagandize
increases of endemic diseases. "The third
document
in this series, "Medical Problems in Iraq," is
dated March 15, 1991. It says: "Communicable
diseases in Baghdad are more widespread than
usually observed during this time of the year
and are linked to the poor sanitary conditions
(contaminated water supplies and improper sewage
disposal) resulting from the war. According to
a United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF)/World
Health Organization report, the quantity of
potable water is less than 5 percent of the
original supply, there are no operational
water and sewage treatment plants, and the
reported incidence of diarrhea is four times above
normal levels. Additionally, respiratory
infections are on the rise. Children particularly
have been affected by these diseases."
Perhaps to put a gloss on things, the document
states, "There are indications that the situation
is improving and that the population is coping
with the degraded conditions." But it adds:
"Conditions in Baghdad remain favorable for
communicable disease outbreaks."
The fourth document, "Status of Disease at Refugee
Camps," is dated May 1991. The summary says,
"Cholera and measles have emerged at refugee
camps. Further infectious diseases will spread
due to inadequate water treatment and poor
sanitation." The reason for this outbreak is
clearly stated again. "The main causes of
infectious diseases, particularly diarrhea,
dysentery, and upper respiratory problems,
are poor sanitation and unclean water. These
diseases primarily afflict the old and young
children."
The fifth document, "Health Conditions in Iraq,
June 1991," is still heavily censored. All I can
make out is that the DIA sent a source "to assess
health conditions and determine the most critical
medical needs of Iraq. Source observed that Iraqi
medical system was in considerable disarray,
medical facilities had been extensively looted,
and almost all medicines were in critically short
supply."
In one refugee camp, the document says, "at least
80 percent of the population" has diarrhea. At
this same camp, named Cukurca, "cholera,
hepatitis type B, and measles have broken out.
"The protein deficiency disease kwashiorkor
was observed in Iraq "for the first time,"
the document adds. "Gastroenteritis was killing
children. . . . In the south, 80 percent of
the deaths were children (with the exception
of Al Amarah, where 60 percent of deaths were
children)."
The final document is "Iraq: Assessment of Current
Health Threats and Capabilities," and it is dated
November 15, 1991. This one has a distinct
damage-control feel to it. Here is how it begins:
"Restoration of Iraq's public health services and
shortages of major medical materiel remain
dominant international concerns. Both issues
apparently are being exploited by Saddam Hussein
in an effort to keep public opinion firmly
against the U.S. and its Coalition allies and
to direct blame away from the Iraqi government."
It minimizes the extent of the damage. "Although
current countrywide infectious disease incidence
in Iraq is higher than it was before the Gulf
War, it is not at the catastrophic levels that
some groups predicted. The Iraqi regime will
continue to exploit disease incidence data for
its own political purposes." And it places the
blame squarely on Saddam Hussein. "Iraq's
medical supply shortages are the result of the
central government's stockpiling, selective
distribution, and exploitation of domestic and
international relief medical resources." It adds:
"Resumption of public health programs . . .
depends completely on the Iraqi government."
As these documents illustrate, the United States
knew sanctions had the capacity to devastate the
water treatment system of Iraq. It knew what
the consequences would be: increased outbreaks
of disease and high rates of child mortality. And
it was more concerned about the public relations
nightmare for Washington than the actual
nightmare that the sanctions created for
innocent Iraqis.
The Geneva Convention is absolutely clear. In a
1979 protocol relating to the "protection of
victims of international armed conflicts,"
Article 54, it states: "It is prohibited to
attack, destroy, remove, or render useless objects
indispensable to the survival of the civilian
population, such as foodstuffs, crops, livestock,
drinking water installations and supplies, and
irrigation works, for the specific purpose of
denying them for their sustenance value to the
civilian population or to the adverse Party,
whatever the motive, whether in order to starve
out civilians, to cause them to move away, or
for any other motive."
But that is precisely what the U.S. government
did, with malice aforethought. It "destroyed,
removed, or rendered useless" Iraq's "drinking
water installations and supplies." The sanctions,
imposed for a decade largely at the insistence of
the United States, constitute a violation of the
Geneva Convention. They amount to a systematic
effort to, in the DIA's own words, "fully
degrade" Iraq's water sources.
At a House hearing on June 7, Representative
Cynthia McKinney, Democrat of Georgia, referred
to the document "Iraq Water Treatment
Vulnerabilities" and said: "Attacking the Iraqi
public drinking water supply flagrantly targets
civilians and is a violation of the Geneva
Convention and of the fundamental laws of
civilized nations."
Over the last decade, Washington extended the toll
by continuing to withhold approval for Iraq to
import the few chemicals and items of equipment
it needed in order to clean up its water supply.
Last summer, Representative Tony Hall, Democrat of
Ohio, wrote to then-Secretary of State Madeleine
Albright "about the profound effects of the
increasing deterioration of Iraq's water supply
and sanitation systems on its children's health."
Hall wrote, "The prime killer of children under
five years of age--diarrheal diseases--has
reached epidemic proportions, and they now strike
four times more often than they did in 1990. . . .
Holds on contracts for the water and sanitation
sector are a prime reason for the increases in
sickness and death. Of the eighteen contracts,
all but one hold was placed by the U.S.
government. The contracts are for purification
chemicals, chlorinators, chemical dosing pumps,
water tankers, and other equipment. . . . I urge
you to weigh your decision against the disease
and death that are the unavoidable result of not
having safe drinking water and minimum levels
of sanitation. "For more than ten years, the
United States has deliberately pursued a policy of
destroying the water treatment system of Iraq,
knowing full well the cost in Iraqi lives. The
United Nations has estimated that more than
500,000 Iraqi children have died as a result of
sanctions, and that 5,000 Iraqi children continue
to die every month for this reason. No one can
say that the United States didn't know
what it was doing.
See for Yourself All the DIA documents mentioned
in this article were found at the Department of
Defense's Gulflink site.
To read or print documents:
1.go to www.gulflink.osd.mil
2.click on "Declassified Documents" on the left
side of the front page
3.the next page is entitled "Browse Recently
Declassified Documents"
4.click on "search" under "Declassifed Documents"
on the left side of that page
5.the next page is entitled "Search Recently
Declassified Documents"
6.enter search terms such as "disease information
effects of bombing"
7.click on the search button
8.the next page is entitled "Data Sources"
9.click on DIA
10.click on one of the titles
Its not the best-organized site on the Internet,
but I have found the folks at Gulflink to be
helpful and responsive.
Thomas J. Nagy
Thomas J. Nagy teaches at the School of Business
and Public Management at George Washington
University.
--
Just when did the children of Cthulhu take
over our government anyway?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel according to Teddy |
09 Apr 2006 04:35:58 PM |
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On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:22:51 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<go-dnTDJdeiU8KTZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
Off topic spam.
What does this have to do with abortion or the Freedom of Choice?
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel according to Teddy |
09 Apr 2006 04:48:28 PM |
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On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:22:51 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Ted Kennedy's death toll: 1
George W. Bush's death toll: over 2300 American troops and tens of
thousands of Iraqis.
Your point was?
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel according to Teddy |
09 Apr 2006 05:51:31 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, youngopinions in episode
<go-dnTDJdeiU8KTZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com>...
http://www.ytedk.com/statement.htm
"On July 18, 1969, at approximately 11:15 PM in Chappaquiddick, Martha's
Vinyard, Massachusetts, I was driving my car on Main Street on my way to
get the ferry back to Edgartown. I was unfamiliar with the road and turned
right onto ***** Road, instead of bearing hard left on Main Street. After
proceeding for approximately one-half mile on ***** Road I descended a hill
and came upon a narrow bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge.
There was one passenger with me, one Miss Mary ( Kennedy was not sure of
the spelling of the dead girl's last name, and offered a rough phonetic
approximation ), a former secretary of my brother Sen. Robert Kennedy. The
car turned over and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting
on the bottom. I attempted to open the door and the window of the car but
have no recolection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and
then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger
was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted
and in a state of shock. I recall walking back to where my friends were
eating. There was a car parked in front of the cottage and I climbed into
the back seat. I then asked for someone to bring me back to Edgartown. I
remember walking around for a period of time and then going back to my
hotel room. When I fully realized what had happened this morning, I
immediately contacted the police."
Senator Edward Kennedy
(Original statement following the homocide at Chappaquiddick)
Where's the statement from Laura Bush when she killed her ex-boyfriend?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel according to Teddy |
09 Apr 2006 07:15:27 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and <youngopinions@aol.com> posting
the following on Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:22:51 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
http://www.ytedk.com/statement.htm
"On July 18, 1969, at approximately 11:15 PM in Chappaquiddick, Martha's
Vinyard, Massachusetts, I was driving my car on Main Street on my way to get
the ferry back to Edgartown.
<snip>
Senator Edward Kennedy
(Original statement following the homocide at Chappaquiddick)
First of all, it wasn't a homicide. Secondly, learn to spell
homicide. The police ruled it an accident.
Now, why exactly should I care about an accident that occurred 37
years ago? Be specific. And before you type one frickking word, I
want you to sit down and consider these two passages:
Matthew 7:1-5.
John 8:7
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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