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Religions > Atheism |
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"LP" |
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02 Sep 2005 05:28:08 PM |
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The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
A government that tries to take on the job of nanny to its adult
citizens will end up with society full of irresponsible spoiled brats.
Thousands of people in New Orleans, and millions around the US have
grasped on to the ridiculous notion that it is the job of the
government to protect them from any dangers that they may encounter.
This is why so many are blaming the government for a situation that
they should be taking full responsibility for. There was not likely a
single person in New Orleans that did not know they were living in a
city that would be in a very perilous situation if a major hurricane
hit the area. When the storm surge of a hurricane is predicted to be
higher than the levee surrounding your city and the Mayor of that city
calls for a mandatory evacuation, what kind of person would not
evacuate? If you regularly point your finger elsewhere when you are
confronted with danger instead of understanding that your own safety
is first and foremost your own responsibility, then you are very
likely to be the type of person who would suffer the most in any
disaster. How do people lose site of this simple fact that your own
safety is primarily your own responsibility? This type of mindset is
promoted by a government that tries to take on the job of nanny to
it's adult citizens. It is ridiculous to expect that politicians
hundreds or thousands of miles away can have a better understanding of
dangers existing around me than I can determine for myself. The money
that is planned on being spent on rebuilding New Orleans would be much
better spent on education in critical thinking. After that, if any of
them still want to live below sea level in a high hurricane area, they
would at least have the sense to have a plan in place to allow them to
evacuate should another hurricane head their way. If you have no way
to get out, then you should at least understand that you are
unreasonably gambling with your life and should not expect others to
be responsible for your safety.
I advocate the old Jeffersonian ideal
"That government is best which governs least."
The French Fried in a Culture of Negligence
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/articles/ehudgins_frances-killer-collectivism.asp
Responsibility, Not Regulation
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/articles/sklein_responsibility-not-regulation.asp
The State of The Union and The Culture of Responsibility
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/articles/dkelley_state-union-culture-responsiblity.asp
Three Billion Dollar Award for Irresponsibility
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/articles/trichmond_three-billion-award-irresponsibility.asp
http://www.libertarian.com/
http://www.lp.org/issues/introduction.shtml
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
02 Sep 2005 09:35:35 PM |
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In article <73fhh1tfemoo24k9l5j5c6tj27bdv72313@4ax.com>, LP
<whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
A government that tries to take on the job of nanny to its adult
citizens will end up with society full of irresponsible spoiled brats.
Thousands of people in New Orleans, and millions around the US have
grasped on to the ridiculous notion that it is the job of the
government to protect them from any dangers that they may encounter.
No, it is the job of the government to protect us from major,
preventable dangers. It is what we pay them taxes for and empower them
to do.
This is why so many are blaming the government for a situation that
they should be taking full responsibility for.
What, were people supposed to go out with buckets and plug the levees
themselves?
There was not likely a
single person in New Orleans that did not know they were living in a
city that would be in a very perilous situation if a major hurricane
hit the area. When the storm surge of a hurricane is predicted to be
higher than the levee surrounding your city and the Mayor of that city
calls for a mandatory evacuation, what kind of person would not
evacuate?
The elderly, the disabled, and the people who have to care for them;
people too poor to afford transport out; business owners protecting
their life's investment against looters; those who stocked up on food
and water and lived in high enough buildings and figured they could
make it. Police. firefighters, nurses, doctors, rescuers and others
who stayed behind to help.
If you regularly point your finger elsewhere when you are
confronted with danger instead of understanding that your own safety
is first and foremost your own responsibility, then you are very
likely to be the type of person who would suffer the most in any
disaster. How do people lose site of this simple fact that your own
safety is primarily your own responsibility?
I doubt that too many people who stayed behind had any great confidence
the government was going to just rush in there and rescue them, nor did
they somehow relegate responsibility by staying behind. Most of them
had no choice.
This type of mindset is
promoted by a government that tries to take on the job of nanny to
it's adult citizens.
Does it? You could have fooled the ***** out of me.
It is ridiculous to expect that politicians
hundreds or thousands of miles away can have a better understanding of
dangers existing around me than I can determine for myself.
No it isn't. In the absence of government agencies like the National
Weather Service or similar organization, you can better determine a
major hurricane is coming and what its likely effects are going to be
than they are? Maybe some of the people who stayed behind thought they
were in a better position to judge things than the government was as
well.
The money
that is planned on being spent on rebuilding New Orleans would be much
better spent on education in critical thinking. After that, if any of
them still want to live below sea level in a high hurricane area, they
would at least have the sense to have a plan in place to allow them to
evacuate should another hurricane head their way. If you have no way
to get out, then you should at least understand that you are
unreasonably gambling with your life and should not expect others to
be responsible for your safety.
And where can people go to live where they are not gambling with their
lives? Anybody living in a coastal area just about anywhere in the US
is at risk from death due to hurricanes and storm surges. The entire
Eastern Seaboard is at risk of destruction from a mega-tsunami. Should
we just evacuate 25 percent of the US and rebuild elsewhere? Maybe we
should move everybody to the mountains. But there is flooding in the
mountains, too, plus rockslides, mudslides and forrest fires. Fact is,
there is no such a thing as a safe place, and the human race has always
had to make do and live wherever it can set down roots, and prepare as
best as possible to minimize disasters and rebuild after they've
struck.
I advocate the old Jeffersonian ideal
"That government is best which governs least."
Whoopty-do. If you ever find yourself on a sinking ship, be sure to
tell the Coast Guard when they come to rescue you that you can take
responsibility for yourself, and then start swimming. If you're trapped
in a burning car after an autonobile accident, be sure to tell the cops
and fireman who will be risking their lives to save you out that you
knew the risks when you got behind the wheel, and prefer to wait for
the Invisible Hand to come and work it's magic. You don't need no
steenking gummint men with guns to help you out.
Sean C
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
02 Sep 2005 09:49:06 PM |
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In episode <73fhh1tfemoo24k9l5j5c6tj27bdv72313@4ax.com>, LP burst into the
room and exclaimed:
and the Mayor of that city calls for a mandatory evacuation,
what kind of person would not evacuate?
People who *can't.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
08 Sep 2005 02:18:09 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:49:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <73fhh1tfemoo24k9l5j5c6tj27bdv72313@4ax.com>, LP burst into the
room and exclaimed:
and the Mayor of that city calls for a mandatory evacuation,
what kind of person would not evacuate?
People who *can't.
LP says; "Then DIE!"
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 10:11:15 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:49:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:
and the Mayor of that city calls for a mandatory evacuation,
what kind of person would not evacuate?
People who *can't.
Especially people who won't.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 02:17:30 PM |
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In episode <t7fjh11jfrg8uskkqtdsrc7baomm4o1bpn@4ax.com>, duke burst into
the room and exclaimed:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:49:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
and the Mayor of that city calls for a mandatory evacuation, what kind
of person would not evacuate?
People who *can't.
Especially people who won't.
100,000+ people in that city don't even have cars. Why didn't your Jesus
teleport all those desperate Catholics out of the city Dook?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 02:40:01 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:b9Kdnb1Us4ZUa4TeRVn-sg@megapath.net:
In episode <t7fjh11jfrg8uskkqtdsrc7baomm4o1bpn@4ax.com>, duke burst
into the room and exclaimed:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:49:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
and the Mayor of that city calls for a mandatory evacuation, what
kind of person would not evacuate?
People who *can't.
Especially people who won't.
100,000+ people in that city don't even have cars. Why didn't your
Jesus teleport all those desperate Catholics out of the city Dook?
Why didn't the mayor give the evacuation orders earlier, like the city
disaster plan requires? And why didn't he enable use of all those school
buses?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 03:34:15 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:b9Kdnb1Us4ZUa4TeRVn-sg@megapath.net:
In episode <t7fjh11jfrg8uskkqtdsrc7baomm4o1bpn@4ax.com>, duke burst
into the room and exclaimed:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:49:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
and the Mayor of that city calls for a mandatory evacuation, what
kind of person would not evacuate?
People who *can't.
Especially people who won't.
100,000+ people in that city don't even have cars. Why didn't your
Jesus teleport all those desperate Catholics out of the city Dook?
Why didn't the mayor give the evacuation orders earlier, like the city
disaster plan requires? And why didn't he enable use of all those school
buses?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
08 Sep 2005 02:19:44 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:17:30 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In episode <t7fjh11jfrg8uskkqtdsrc7baomm4o1bpn@4ax.com>, duke burst into
the room and exclaimed:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:49:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
and the Mayor of that city calls for a mandatory evacuation, what kind
of person would not evacuate?
People who *can't.
Especially people who won't.
100,000+ people in that city don't even have cars. Why didn't your Jesus
teleport all those desperate Catholics out of the city Dook?
Because 'Jesus' loved torturing and drowning them.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 01:26:02 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 10:11:15 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:49:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:
and the Mayor of that city calls for a mandatory evacuation,
what kind of person would not evacuate?
People who *can't.
Especially people who won't.
You would know. You can think and you can care, but you 'won't'.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
08 Sep 2005 02:19:14 PM |
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On 3 Sep 2005 13:26:02 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 10:11:15 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:49:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:
and the Mayor of that city calls for a mandatory evacuation,
what kind of person would not evacuate?
People who *can't.
Especially people who won't.
You would know. You can think and you can care, but you 'won't'.
Disagree. It's can't-as his greed is olympic level.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 12:57:07 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:49:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
and the Mayor of that city calls for a mandatory evacuation,
what kind of person would not evacuate?
People who *can't.
Especially people who won't.
Another of Earl's little "episodes".
I wonder if that's why he goes home for lunch?
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| User: "WCB" |
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02 Sep 2005 08:48:15 PM |
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LP wrote:
Useless fuckwit.
--
Xenu is around and about,
mention Hubbard, Xenu pops out!
No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 10:10:41 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:48:15 -0500, WCB <wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
LP wrote:
Useless fuckwit.
Yes you are.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Paul Erickson" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 09:30:20 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 10:10:41 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:48:15 -0500, WCB <wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
LP wrote:
Useless fuckwit.
Yes you are.
Woww, rising to the level of Pee Wee, are we?
Slobbering Skeleton
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 12:21:15 PM |
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On 2 Sep 2005 17:28:08 -0500, LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
A government that tries to take on the job of nanny to its adult
citizens will end up with society full of irresponsible spoiled brats.
Thousands of people in New Orleans, and millions around the US have
grasped on to the ridiculous notion that it is the job of the
government to protect them from any dangers that they may encounter.
I wonder if that piece would have read the same, if it had been a Democrat
Government, that fouled up.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 01:29:09 PM |
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in
news:cagjh1tt11m5aek498k0qicgsl45e2n20s@4ax.com:
On 2 Sep 2005 17:28:08 -0500, LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com>
wrote:
A government that tries to take on the job of nanny to its adult
citizens will end up with society full of irresponsible spoiled brats.
Thousands of people in New Orleans, and millions around the US have
grasped on to the ridiculous notion that it is the job of the
government to protect them from any dangers that they may encounter.
I wonder if that piece would have read the same, if it had been a
Democrat Government, that fouled up.
It *was* a Democrat government that fouled up.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 08:52:33 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:29:09 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in
news:cagjh1tt11m5aek498k0qicgsl45e2n20s@4ax.com:
On 2 Sep 2005 17:28:08 -0500, LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com>
wrote:
A government that tries to take on the job of nanny to its adult
citizens will end up with society full of irresponsible spoiled brats.
Thousands of people in New Orleans, and millions around the US have
grasped on to the ridiculous notion that it is the job of the
government to protect them from any dangers that they may encounter.
I wonder if that piece would have read the same, if it had been a
Democrat Government, that fouled up.
It *was* a Democrat government that fouled up.
Depends on where one tends to lace blame. State or Federal?
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aa#2106
Remove Belief to reply
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The governement is to blame for the problems in N.O. |
03 Sep 2005 10:12:18 PM |
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AngryJohn <angryjohn@belief.comcast.net> wrote in
news:6qkkh1d4fmvsiue2l83sgve4g8eb1f1cdf@4ax.com:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:29:09 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in
news:cagjh1tt11m5aek498k0qicgsl45e2n20s@4ax.com:
On 2 Sep 2005 17:28:08 -0500, LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com>
wrote:
A government that tries to take on the job of nanny to its adult
citizens will end up with society full of irresponsible spoiled
brats.
Thousands of people in New Orleans, and millions around the US
have
grasped on to the ridiculous notion that it is the job of the
government to protect them from any dangers that they may encounter.
I wonder if that piece would have read the same, if it had been a
Democrat Government, that fouled up.
It *was* a Democrat government that fouled up.
Depends on where one tends to lace blame. State or Federal?
City and state.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
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