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"Michelle Malkin" |
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13 Jun 2005 10:51:25 PM |
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The Government of the US Is NOT Founded On Christianity! |
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17 Jun 2005 05:51:20 AM |
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You God haters have confused them
I prefer "logic & reason" lovers... or freethinkers... which you are
not.
and stolen their mind away from CHRIST THE GOD
Who has stolen your mind then? You've been quite rude and for someone
who is supposed to have stronger morals, you seem to be quite a heretic
yourself.
The U.S. has strayed very far from biblical teaching then.
- The U.S. has the biggest military force on earth... that conflicts
with "thou shalt not kill" and with trust in their deity. If there are
dangers of e.g. terrorist attacks, people look at military force for
protection.. and not their god. It's certainly not something Jesus
would do or condone.
- The U.S. has highest degree of obesity in the world... that is
gluttonous. Again something that the bible is very clear about.
- The U.S. is one of the richest countries in the world... the bible is
unequivocally clear about rich people NOT going to heaven, yet
financial wealth is highly regarded in the U.S. and "socialists" are
evil.
Are you going to attribute military spending, obesity and wealth to
atheism too?
It's not a figmented deity that "we" hate... it's the incoherent
ramblings of people like you that we are supposed to accept as fact. To
top it all off, people like you preach morals they themselves don't
even practise!
Who are you to be a representative of the bible or the Christian
religion when YOU aren't even Christian according to the bible?
Some introspection would be nice.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 08:28:18 AM |
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You God haters have confused them
I prefer "logic & reason" lovers... or freethinkers... which you are
not.
The bottom line is this: It was Christ who ended the ancient
world and its brutalities.
In hope of resurrection countless of people gave
their lives without selfishness
to protect the poor and the lowlY,
Thus giving a new meaning to the word altruism.
Before that, life was like what we now know as the
survival of the fittest.
In the name of Christ people were constantly
looking how best
to serve society as a whole.
Catholicism and Islam which draw mostly on
CHRIST COMPASSIONATE MISSION their core
value system, without being perfect
are are fare superior to any of the system of
the ANCIENT WORLD.
THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE LIKE IT OR NOT.
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17 Jun 2005 09:30:11 AM |
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It was Christ who ended the ancient world and its brutalities.
But even more brutalities took place in Europe after he allegedly
"ended" brutalities. Do you believe that it's fair to be convicted to
death by torture because other people think you're a witch?
Which ancient cultures are you referring to in your comparison? Why do
you keep ignoring the ones that were thriving both culturally and
philosophically?
You keep blaming atheists for all sorts of bad things, even when
Christians are the ones doing the bad things. Which excuses do you have
when Christian priests molest children and keep getting protected by
the church hierarchy? Which excuses do you have for witch burnings
based on groundless evidence?
THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE LIKE IT OR NOT.
WOW YOU MUST BE RIGHT IF YOU'RE WRITING IT IN CAPS!
The real bottom line is like this: your point is that Christianity has
a monopoly on ethics and superior morals. Your point is refuted on two
levels:
1) Historic proof exists that other cultures with no Christian
influence existed during or prior to peak of Christian rule with
superior ethics. Historic proof also shows cultures with inferior
ethics... but that's like saying "my girlfriend looks better than a
dog, so she's good looking".
The fact that something is better than something else doesn't mean it's
better than everything else.
2) Both historic and modern proof exists that Christians routinely
engage in barbaric acts, as evidenced by child molestating priests.
Church hierarchy was aware of their acts and protected the priests.
If you're saying Christian morals are better than some morals or no
morals... I'll agree with you. But to say it's better than all morals
is just plain nonsense.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 10:43:12 AM |
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It was Christ who ended the ancient world and its brutalities.
But even more brutalities took place in Europe after he allegedly
"ended" brutalities. Do you believe that it's fair to be convicted to
death by torture because other people think you're a witch?
Which ancient cultures are you referring to in your comparison? Why do
Exploiting the poor
worshipping the emperor or king as God
selling one's own right to weathy people just
for one's daily bread.
Justice for the rich
Oppression of the lowly and defenseless
Survival of the strongest mentality
babie sacrifice
idolatry
perversion
sacred prostitution
bigamy
polygamy
female circumcision
Putting one's hope in trees for protection
multiple gods
barbarism.
you keep ignoring the ones that were thriving both culturally and
philosophically?
You keep blaming atheists for all sorts of bad things, even when
Christians are the ones doing the bad things. Which excuses do you have
when Christian priests molest children and keep getting protected by
the church hierarchy? Which excuses do you have for witch burnings
based on groundless evidence?
THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE LIKE IT OR NOT.
WOW YOU MUST BE RIGHT IF YOU'RE WRITING IT IN CAPS!
The real bottom line is like this: your point is that Christianity has
a monopoly on ethics and superior morals. Your point is refuted on two
levels:
1) Historic proof exists that other cultures with no Christian
influence existed during or prior to peak of Christian rule with
superior ethics. Historic proof also shows cultures with inferior
ethics... but that's like saying "my girlfriend looks better than a
dog, so she's good looking".
The fact that something is better than something else doesn't mean it's
better than everything else.
2) Both historic and modern proof exists that Christians routinely
engage in barbaric acts, as evidenced by child molestating priests.
Church hierarchy was aware of their acts and protected the priests.
If you're saying Christian morals are better than some morals or no
morals... I'll agree with you. But to say it's better than all morals
is just plain nonsense.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 11:23:43 AM |
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You're naming a list of things you see as bad: what were the names of
the cultures that condoned this?
Exploiting the poor
Justice for the rich
polygamy
Welcome to the U.S. -- surely if slavery was widely accepted in the
U.S., then exploiting poor people cannot be an issue? It's the southern
states that have always been most religious *and* most welcoming to
slavery. Polygamy is also practised in the U.S. by Mormons.
worshipping the emperor or king as God
That only took place in *some* cultures. The ancient Romans did not
revere their emperor as a deity. Even so.. who are you to say your
religion is better than theirs?
multiple gods
Same point: you can't criticize people for believing in another deity
than your own. If you want *me* to see them as backward thinking
because they revered deities, then the same still applies today.
perversion
The U.S. is the biggest exporter and consumer of porn.
Putting one's hope in trees for protection
How does this differ from putting one's hope in invisible entities for
protection?
barbarism.
Which barbaric acts?
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 10:44:42 AM |
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wrote:
It was Christ who ended the ancient world and its brutalities.
But even more brutalities took place in Europe after he allegedly
"ended" brutalities. Do you believe that it's fair to be convicted to
death by torture because other people think you're a witch?
Which ancient cultures are you referring to in your comparison? Why do
you keep ignoring the ones that were thriving both culturally and
philosophically?
You keep blaming atheists for all sorts of bad things, even when
Christians are the ones doing the bad things. Which excuses do you have
when Christian priests molest children and keep getting protected by
the church hierarchy? Which excuses do you have for witch burnings
based on groundless evidence?
THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE LIKE IT OR NOT.
WOW YOU MUST BE RIGHT IF YOU'RE WRITING IT IN CAPS!
The real bottom line is like this: your point is that Christianity has
a monopoly on ethics and superior morals. Your point is refuted on two
levels:
1) Historic proof exists that other cultures with no Christian
influence existed during or prior to peak of Christian rule with
Where is the PROOF
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17 Jun 2005 11:28:33 AM |
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Here is some reading material for you if you're interested:
http://eawc.evansville.edu/index.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/hamcode.html
http://eawc.evansville.edu/anthology/hammurabi.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/
There's really a lot of fascinating information about ancient cultures
available. It's very interesting to see what those people have come up
with without the modern technologies we have today.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 10:35:59 AM |
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wrote:
It was Christ who ended the ancient world and its brutalities.
But even more brutalities took place in Europe after he allegedly
"ended" brutalities. Do you believe that it's fair to be convicted to
death by torture because other people think you're a witch?
Which ancient cultures are you referring to in your comparison? Why do
you keep ignoring the ones that were thriving both culturally and
philosophically?
You keep blaming atheists for all sorts of bad things, even when
Christians are the ones doing the bad things. Which excuses do you have
when Christian priests molest children and keep getting protected by
the church hierarchy? Which excuses do you have for witch burnings
based on groundless evidence?
THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE LIKE IT OR NOT.
WOW YOU MUST BE RIGHT IF YOU'RE WRITING IT IN CAPS!
The real bottom line is like this: your point is that Christianity has
a monopoly on ethics and superior morals. Your point is refuted on two
levels:
1) Historic proof exists that other cultures with no Christian
influence existed during or prior to peak of Christian rule with
superior ethics. Historic proof also shows cultures with inferior
ethics... but that's like saying "my girlfriend looks better than a
dog, so she's good looking".
You don't understand the ANCIENT WORD or PRE-CHRIST WORLD.
It is far better now than it was 2100 years ago
The fact that something is better than something else doesn't mean it's
better than everything else.
2) Both historic and modern proof exists that Christians routinely
engage in barbaric acts, as evidenced by child molestating priests.
Church hierarchy was aware of their acts and protected the priests.
If you're saying Christian morals are better than some morals or no
morals... I'll agree with you. But to say it's better than all morals
is just plain nonsense.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 11:11:48 AM |
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You don't understand the ANCIENT WORD or PRE-CHRIST WORLD.
What exactly do you know about the ancient world that entitles you to
make such blanket statements? Certainly you are not familiar with many
ancient cultures or philosophies.
It is far better now than it was 2100 years ago
Your fallacy comes down to "post hoc ergo propter hoc".
Are you denying that concepts of democracy, rule of law and freedom of
speech existed before Jesus ever existed?
We can see that during at least 1000 years of almost absolute Christian
rule, human rights were actually structurally trampled on. To put it
very bluntly, it's like saying a rape victim has to thank her rapist
for whatever success she achieves later on.
Humanity is ever socially evolving. Of course we're going to have
*some* progress in 2000 years time. Much of that process can be
attributed to science and reason. Not to Jesus or Mohammed.
You still have to answer me how it can be that child molestation is
compatible with Christian beliefs.
Regards,
Talence
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19 Jun 2005 01:52:37 PM |
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Are you denying that concepts of democracy, rule of law and freedom of
speech existed before Jesus ever existed?
What is your definition of DEMOCRACY tell me a
little bit about your idea of Democracy and I would tell
you about the biblical idea of Democracy.
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20 Jun 2005 07:44:37 AM |
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What is your definition of DEMOCRACY tell me a
little bit about your idea of Democracy
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a
government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in
the U.S.
4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of
political authority
5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or
privileges
Source: m-w.com
Regards,
Talence
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19 Jun 2005 01:45:33 PM |
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Are you denying that concepts of democracy, rule of law and freedom of
speech existed before Jesus ever existed?
CHRIST has always existed...
are you implying the incarnation,
which means his taking a physical body AND
His walking on earth as a human being?
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20 Jun 2005 07:39:53 AM |
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CHRIST has always existed...
So then there are two deities? One is the father deity and the other is
the son deity?
are you implying the incarnation,
It is obvious what I mean... and I certainly don't mean to accept the
premises you're feeding me.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 04:55:34 PM |
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You don't understand the ANCIENT WORD or PRE-CHRIST WORLD.
What exactly do you know about the ancient world that entitles you to
make such blanket statements? Certainly you are not familiar with many
ancient cultures or philosophies.
It is far better now than it was 2100 years ago
Your fallacy comes down to "post hoc ergo propter hoc".
Are you denying that concepts of democracy, rule of law and freedom of
speech existed before Jesus ever existed?
These are blessing from God...
The fact that those people did not know change nothing.
Just you don't know that JESUS the CHRIST rules
the universe changes nothing.
We can see that during at least 1000 years of almost absolute Christian
rule, human rights were actually structurally trampled on. To put it
Compared to what?
very bluntly, it's like saying a rape victim has to thank her rapist
for whatever success she achieves later on.
Humanity is ever socially evolving. Of course we're going to have
*some* progress in 2000 years time. Much of that process can be
attributed to science and reason. Not to Jesus or Mohammed.
You still have to answer me how it can be that child molestation is
compatible with Christian beliefs.
Regards,
Talence
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18 Jun 2005 09:54:27 AM |
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Are you denying that concepts of democracy, rule of
law and freedom of speech existed before Jesus
ever existed?
These are blessing from God...
I'll take that as a no.
The fact that those people did not know change nothing.
It clearly shows that even people who wholeheartedly believe in the
bible and "talk" to their god still end up knowing nothing more than
anyone else who does not pretend to talk to the same god.
I'm not blaming them for having primitive thoughts or beliefs, but for
having them AND claiming superior levels of knowledge or access to
deities.
Just you don't know that JESUS the CHRIST rules
the universe changes nothing.
I've yet to meet this universal ruler. For someone who wields so much
power, he sure isn't very present. Have you ever met him in person...
or just in your head?
Regards,
Talence
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18 Jun 2005 04:50:07 PM |
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Are you denying that concepts of democracy, rule of
law and freedom of speech existed before Jesus
ever existed?
These are blessing from God...
I'll take that as a no.
The fact that those people did not know change nothing.
It clearly shows that even people who wholeheartedly believe in the
bible and "talk" to their god still end up knowing nothing more than
anyone else who does not pretend to talk to the same god.
THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE GOD OF ISRAEL
It is not like many gods competing for the title.
Why can't you get that?
I'm not blaming them for having primitive thoughts or beliefs, but for
having them AND claiming superior levels of knowledge or access to
deities.
Just you don't know that JESUS the CHRIST rules
the universe changes nothing.
I've yet to meet this universal ruler. For someone who wields so much
power, he sure isn't very present. Have you ever met him in person...
or just in your head?
Regards,
Talence
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20 Jun 2005 06:39:49 AM |
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THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE GOD OF ISRAEL
It is not like many gods competing for the title.
Do you accept that Christianity is not the only religion that exists or
has existed?
Why can't you get that?
Because no matter how often you keep restating that you're religious, I
will never see atrocities and human rights violations as ethically
justifiable or superior.
Regards,
Talence
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20 Jun 2005 03:03:13 PM |
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THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE GOD OF ISRAEL
It is not like many gods competing for the title.
Do you accept that Christianity is not the only religion that exists or
has existed?
Why can't you get that?
Because no matter how often you keep restating that you're religious, I
will never see atrocities and human rights violations as ethically
justifiable or superior.
At least you have a consciencious mind about human
right violation informed by the culture you live in,
culture that was shaped by Christianity.
In some other societies, their religious rituals
required that rulers be burried with some slaves.
Nobody ever complained about human right violation.
Again, it is not you but Christ who ended this
world of bizzare costumes.
Regards,
Talence
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21 Jun 2005 09:51:30 AM |
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At least you have a consciencious mind about human
right violation informed by the culture you live in,
culture that was shaped by Christianity.
That's again "post hoc ergo propter hoc" and that fallacy can be used
as much against you as you think it's working for you.
Your only retort to the ethics of torturing people to death is that
it's superior to their crime, which was worship of non-Christian
deities.
In some other societies, their religious rituals required that rulers be burried with
some slaves.
You are again referring to ancient Egypt. The world is and was a lot
larger than Egypt.
Besides, the bible condones the alleged genocide of all first-born in
Egypt, so how are those ethics superior? The only answer I keep hearing
is that it's okay to murder people if the deity orders it... so the
ethics really fall in the same class.
Nobody ever complained about human right violation.
Unless you were there, I find it odd that you can make such a strong
claim.
Regards,
Talence
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20 Jun 2005 02:57:33 PM |
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THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, THE GOD OF ISRAEL
It is not like many gods competing for the title.
Do you accept that Christianity is not the only religion that exists or
has existed?
Christianity, with its resurrected CHRIST/MESSIAH
superced all other pre-Christ religions in
any given Civilization or Society
Why can't you get that?
Because no matter how often you keep restating that you're religious, I
will never see atrocities and human rights violations as ethically
justifiable or superior.
Regards,
Talence
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21 Jun 2005 09:43:54 AM |
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Do you accept that Christianity is not the only religion that exists or
has existed?
Christianity, with its resurrected CHRIST/MESSIAH superced all other pre-Christ
religions in any given Civilization or Society
Can I take that as a "yes"?
You have a point in a way: Christianity did absorb pagain rituals.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 04:51:46 PM |
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You don't understand the ANCIENT WORD or PRE-CHRIST WORLD.
What exactly do you know about the ancient world that entitles you to
make such blanket statements? Certainly you are not familiar with many
ancient cultures or philosophies.
Whatever the culture was , it was dedicated to god,
their idea of God.
The point is that nothing was done in the name of secularism
nor atheism.
We at least follow a revealed God
It is far better now than it was 2100 years ago
Your fallacy comes down to "post hoc ergo propter hoc".
Are you denying that concepts of democracy, rule of law and freedom of
speech existed before Jesus ever existed?
We can see that during at least 1000 years of almost absolute Christian
rule, human rights were actually structurally trampled on. To put it
very bluntly, it's like saying a rape victim has to thank her rapist
for whatever success she achieves later on.
Humanity is ever socially evolving. Of course we're going to have
*some* progress in 2000 years time. Much of that process can be
attributed to science and reason. Not to Jesus or Mohammed.
You still have to answer me how it can be that child molestation is
compatible with Christian beliefs.
Regards,
Talence
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18 Jun 2005 10:01:01 AM |
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Whatever the culture was , it was dedicated to god,
their idea of God.
Maybe so, but not *your* god. In fact, you condemned their belief in
one or more gods as inferior. You can argue the position that theism is
essential for a functioning society... but then you'd have to abandon
the notion that Christian theism is the only path.
The point is that nothing was done in the name of
secularism nor atheism.
Both government and scientific research are inherently secular.
Separation of church and state as you may know. This is guaranteed in
the U.S. constitution.
Besides, what point is there in dedicating good deeds to the fact that
one doesn't believe in theism? But then again, everything that isn't
explicitly attributed to theism but then be attributed to atheism...
:-)
We at least follow a revealed God
So what do you do when your god, through the bible, tells you to do
things that conflict with laws? Certainly, if you can morally defend
witch burning, why let people openly be Wiccans? Certainly, a little
jail time is nothing compared to the eternity of bliss that awaits you
after you die?
You still have to explain why following a deity that doesn't exist is
superior to using one's own common sense.
Regards,
Talence
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19 Jun 2005 01:20:39 PM |
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Whatever the culture was , it was dedicated to god,
Both government and scientific research are inherently secular.
Separation of church and state as you may know. This is guaranteed in
the U.S. constitution.
If this was what you thought, then it is safe
for me to say that you did not read the Bible.
Or you might have read it but you could not get it.
No small wonder, you confuse the debate with your
own nonsense right out of your imagination.
Now, you who think that Gorvernment is just a secular
interprise, could you possibly tell me why
God instructed Moses to establish Juges?
Why did he ask the Israelites to give the
Law to the ruler in case they wished to estabish
a kingdom?
How to conduct a war?
What to do the bounties of war?
How to treat war prisoners?
How to carry out a penalty for a crime?
How to establish a refugee Camp?
I JUST WONDER WHY I WASTE SO MUCH TIME WITH YOU.
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20 Jun 2005 06:56:00 AM |
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Or you might have read it but you could not get it.
You are not the authority on who does or does not "get it". The only
final authority is your invisible friend, not you.
Now, you who think that Gorvernment is just a secular interprise [sic] ...
The separation of church and state helps protect against corruption of
both church and state. That is what a much smarter Christian than
yourself told me once.
could you possibly tell me why God instructed Moses to establish Juges?
That's a loaded question, because I cannot answer the question without
either accepting your premises or pointing out that you're trying to
get me to accept premises with which you know I do not agree.
I'm not sure what you think you're on about, but the rule of law is not
a Christian concept. It's cool that they accept laws and such, but they
didn't invent it.
I already pointed out and gave references to several obviously
non-Christian cultures that had rule of law and so on.
How to conduct a war?
Certainly you're not claiming that there were no previous wars? ;-)
I JUST WONDER WHY I WASTE SO MUCH TIME WITH YOU.
Only you know your own motives, but my guess is that deep down, you
realize that Christian claims at their core don't make that much sense,
but you're too entrenched in your position to come up with
counterarguments on your own.
Regards,
Talence
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20 Jun 2005 03:26:40 PM |
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Or you might have read it but you could not get it.
You are not the authority on who does or does not "get it". The only
final authority is your invisible friend, not you.
Now, you who think that Gorvernment is just a secular interprise [sic] ...
The separation of church and state helps protect against corruption of
both church and state. That is what a much smarter Christian than
yourself told me once.
could you possibly tell me why God instructed Moses to establish Juges?
That's a loaded question, because I cannot answer the question without
either accepting your premises or pointing out that you're trying to
get me to accept premises with which you know I do not agree.
So you did not understand Moses' Law
Nor did you understand its purpose in the context
of the ancient world.
I'm not sure what you think you're on about, but the rule of law is not
a Christian concept. It's cool that they accept laws and such, but they
didn't invent it.
I already pointed out and gave references to several obviously
non-Christian cultures that had rule of law and so on.
How to conduct a war?
Certainly you're not claiming that there were no previous wars? ;-)
I JUST WONDER WHY I WASTE SO MUCH TIME WITH YOU.
Only you know your own motives, but my guess is that deep down, you
realize that Christian claims at their core don't make that much sense,
but you're too entrenched in your position to come up with
counterarguments on your own.
Regards,
Talence
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| User: "" |
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21 Jun 2005 10:07:24 AM |
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So you did not understand Moses' Law
As you agreed: you're not the authority on which understanding is the
correct one.
Your claim is that Christianity holds a monopoly in an area where it
does not. No matter how many good things they have or have not done
does not negate the fact that they were not the first or unique.
Nor did you understand its purpose in the context of the ancient world.
According to you, the ancient world consisted only of Egypt.
Regards,
Talence
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| User: "" |
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20 Jun 2005 03:19:08 PM |
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wrote:
Or you might have read it but you could not get it.
You are not the authority on who does or does not "get it". The only
final authority is your invisible friend, not you.
I never claimed to be an authority and was not even looking
to be one. I was minding my own business other there,
and Lo, Imperial Lord, mind boggling Savior.
Then the Scripture that I thought I understood, took a drastic
different meaning.
I was brainwashed by some that Mohammad was a false Prophet
but the invisible friend as you called Him
said he was not so.
That Muslims were all damned, yet the friend say Muslims
believe,
that some will be raptured, sitting between heaven
and earth and singing Hallelujah forever, yet I know of no plan
this Savior would rapture anybody anytime soon.
If it was so, I would have been the first one
to be raptured.
That Science trumps all, yet there is much deeper things
beyond the physical world. Et j'en passe...
Now, you who think that Gorvernment is just a secular interprise [sic] ...
The separation of church and state helps protect against corruption of
both church and state. That is what a much smarter Christian than
yourself told me once.
could you possibly tell me why God instructed Moses to establish Juges?
That's a loaded question, because I cannot answer the question without
either accepting your premises or pointing out that you're trying to
get me to accept premises with which you know I do not agree.
I'm not sure what you think you're on about, but the rule of law is not
a Christian concept. It's cool that they accept laws and such, but they
didn't invent it.
I already pointed out and gave references to several obviously
non-Christian cultures that had rule of law and so on.
How to conduct a war?
Certainly you're not claiming that there were no previous wars? ;-)
I JUST WONDER WHY I WASTE SO MUCH TIME WITH YOU.
Only you know your own motives, but my guess is that deep down, you
realize that Christian claims at their core don't make that much sense,
but you're too entrenched in your position to come up with
counterarguments on your own.
Regards,
Talence
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Government of the US Is NOT Founded On Christianity! |
21 Jun 2005 09:54:29 AM |
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I never claimed to be an authority and was not even looking to be one.
Then you are not the one who can claim - with authority - what the
correct interpretation of the bible is and whether or not I "get it".
I was minding my own business other there, ...
You're hanging out in an atheism forum... and you did so even on a
sunday?!
Regards,
Talence
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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20 Jun 2005 05:43:38 PM |
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On 19 Jun 2005 11:20:39 -0700, wrote:
I JUST WONDER WHY I WASTE SO MUCH TIME WITH YOU.
Nobody's forcing you to stay. :-)
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