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"Michelle Malkin" |
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13 Jun 2005 10:51:25 PM |
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The Government of the US Is NOT Founded On Christianity! |
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
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21 Jun 2005 11:15:23 AM |
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Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 11:20:39 -0700, wrote:
I JUST WONDER WHY I WASTE SO MUCH TIME WITH YOU.
Nobody's forcing you to stay. :-)
Your ignorance force me to stay.
It is a duty forced upon me to enlighten you.
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22 Jun 2005 11:29:12 AM |
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In our last episode
<1119370523.756450.141850@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Codebreaker
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 11:20:39 -0700, wrote:
I JUST WONDER WHY I WASTE SO MUCH TIME WITH YOU.
Nobody's forcing you to stay. :-)
Your ignorance force me to stay.
It is a duty forced upon me to enlighten you.
Not very good at it are you?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Jun 2005 03:36:45 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:29:12 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<1119370523.756450.141850@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Codebreaker
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 11:20:39 -0700, wrote:
I JUST WONDER WHY I WASTE SO MUCH TIME WITH YOU.
Nobody's forcing you to stay. :-)
Your ignorance force me to stay.
It is a duty forced upon me to enlighten you.
Not very good at it are you?
Nothing fails like Raymond.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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19 Jun 2005 01:38:33 PM |
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wrote:
Whatever the culture was , it was dedicated to god,
their idea of God.
Maybe so, but not *your* god. In fact, you condemned their belief in
one or more gods as inferior. You can argue the position that theism is
essential for a functioning society... but then you'd have to abandon
the notion that Christian theism is the only path.
The point is that nothing was done in the name of
secularism nor atheism.
Both government and scientific research are inherently secular.
Separation of church and state as you may know. This is guaranteed in
the U.S. constitution.
Besides, what point is there in dedicating good deeds to the fact that
one doesn't believe in theism? But then again, everything that isn't
explicitly attributed to theism but then be attributed to atheism...
:-)
We at least follow a revealed God
So what do you do when your god, through the bible, tells you to do
things that conflict with laws? Certainly, if you can morally defend
Things that conflicts with Laws? Which thing?
Are you asking me what If Government enacts Law
that conflicts with the revealed Law?
Read the DECALOGUE and tell me which provision in that
Law conflict with Govenment's Law
witch burning, why let people openly be Wiccans? Certainly, a little
jail time is nothing compared to the eternity of bliss that awaits you
after you die?
You still have to explain why following a deity that doesn't exist is
Give me a tangible proof that Deity does not exist.
superior to using one's own common sense.
Regards,
Your whole contention is just nonsense.
It is not common sense VS Deity as If belief was
against common sense.
Unless you want to tell me that
anyone who does not believe in a Deity automatically
has a common sense...
Talence
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20 Jun 2005 07:32:45 AM |
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Read the DECALOGUE and tell me which provision in that
Law conflict with Govenment's Law
Well, if you're referring to Exodus 20:1-17, then I'd say that 20:3
says that non-Christian religions are illegal, 20:8-10 says that it's
illegal for malls to be open on sundays :-) Then if we move on to
Exodus 21:1-36, you will be able to see plenty of examples where
"revealed law" conflicts with contemporary law.
I'm saying here that your religion is complete BS and that your deity
doesn't even exist... and he it did exist, it'd be a genocidal *****
worse than Saddam.
Do you accept that I'm entirely within my legal limits to say that?
For the rest... not stealing, murdering and so on are secular laws...
you can attribute that to the local deity or to common sense. Either
way, it's quite a good thing not to murder.
Give me a tangible proof that Deity does not exist.
Actually, rather than proving it does not exist, I prefer to insist
that *you* should believe in ALL supernatural phenomena proven to
exist, like regressing into past lives, UFO sightings and all other
deities.
Do you believe in aliens? If not, please give tangible proof they do
not exist.
Unless you want to tell me that anyone who does not believe in a Deity
automatically has a common sense...
I do not hold that position. In my view, common sense conflicts with
believing in a single deity and rejecting all others for which proof
exists within the same class. It doesn't mean the person has no common
sense in any other area or that we cannot hold similar opinions on
non-religious topics.
Regards,
Talence
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20 Jun 2005 03:30:44 PM |
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wrote:
For the rest... not stealing, murdering and so on are secular laws...
you can attribute that to the local deity or to common sense. Either
way, it's quite a good thing not to murder.
It was not common sense in all cultures.
But anyway why do you object to them then?
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21 Jun 2005 10:11:49 AM |
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For the rest... not stealing, murdering and so on are secular laws...
you can attribute that to the local deity or to common sense. Either
way, it's quite a good thing not to murder.
It was not common sense in all cultures.
It's not common sense in the U.S. either... people murder eachother
still.
Can a successful society exist where murdering people goes unpunished?
I doubt it. In order for people to work together, they have to make
some sort of agreement not kill eachother... and that agreement can be
extended to the entire social group.
But anyway why do you object to them then?
Strawman. I do not object to (secular) laws against murdering. I object
against claiming a monopoly on them. That's quite a different thing.
Regards,
Talence
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20 Jun 2005 03:28:51 PM |
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wrote:
I'm saying here that your religion is complete BS and that your deity
doesn't even exist... and he it did exist, it'd be a genocidal *****
worse than Saddam.
We profess that death is not the final stop.
Jesus is the Lord over death and life.
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20 Jun 2005 03:21:27 PM |
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Read the DECALOGUE and tell me which provision in that
Law conflict with Govenment's Law
Well, if you're referring to Exodus 20:1-17, then I'd say that 20:3
Exodus is not the DECALOGUE.... You should know better.
says that non-Christian religions are illegal, 20:8-10 says that it's
illegal for malls to be open on sundays :-) Then if we move on to
Exodus 21:1-36, you will be able to see plenty of examples where
"revealed law" conflicts with contemporary law.
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21 Jun 2005 10:03:24 AM |
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Well, if you're referring to Exodus 20:1-17, then I'd say that 20:3
Exodus is not the DECALOGUE.... You should know better.
Are you rejecting that the decalogue is in Exodus?
says that non-Christian religions are illegal, 20:8-10 says that it's
illegal for malls to be open on sundays :-) Then if we move on to
Exodus 21:1-36, you will be able to see plenty of examples where
"revealed law" conflicts with contemporary law.
You forgot to answer how biblical laws do not conflict with
contemporary laws.
Certainly, an important section of the bible on which you say
contemporary laws are based should be reflected in those laws?
Regards,
Talence
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20 Jun 2005 03:23:43 PM |
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wrote:
Read the DECALOGUE and tell me which provision in that
Law conflict with Govenment's Law
Well, if you're referring to Exodus 20:1-17, then I'd say that 20:3
says that non-Christian religions are illegal, 20:8-10 says that it's
illegal for malls to be open on sundays :-) Then if we move on to
Exodus 21:1-36, you will be able to see plenty of examples where
"revealed law" conflicts with contemporary law.
I'm saying here that your religion is complete BS and that your deity
doesn't even exist... and he it did exist, it'd be a genocidal *****
worse than Saddam.
Because you think that you should be moved by death
as If death is something out of His control.
This is just platitude and childish.
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21 Jun 2005 10:25:03 AM |
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I'm saying here that your religion is complete BS and that your deity
doesn't even exist... and he it did exist, it'd be a genocidal *****
worse than Saddam.
Because you think that you should be moved by death
as If death is something out of His control.
Can I take that as a "yes"? My insults to your deity and his son are a
protected form of free speech, granted by the U.S. Constitution.
The decalogue explicitly mentions respect for the deity and for
parents, yet the real laws don't mention respect for parents anywhere,
they explicitly abstain mixing with religion (i.e. they are secular),
and explicitly allow for free speech, which includes insulting your
deity.
How can you maintain then that real laws are based - at their root - on
biblical laws when they clearly conflict?
Regards,
Talence
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21 Jun 2005 07:07:44 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:25:03 -0500, wrote
(in article <1119367503.694082.162650@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I'm saying here that your religion is complete BS and that your deity
doesn't even exist... and he it did exist, it'd be a genocidal *****
worse than Saddam.
Because you think that you should be moved by death
as If death is something out of His control.
Can I take that as a "yes"? My insults to your deity and his son are a
protected form of free speech, granted by the U.S. Constitution.
Protected, not granted. The Amendments to the US Constitution do not grant
anything, they enumerate our rights.
Other than this quibble I am quite enjoying your posts.
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Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³At least Evolution doesn't ask you to tithe 10% of your income.³ - RHertz
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17 Jun 2005 10:32:45 AM |
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It was Christ who ended the ancient world and its brutalities.
But even more brutalities took place in Europe after he allegedly
"ended" brutalities. Do you believe that it's fair to be convicted to
death by torture because other people think you're a witch?
Temptation of idolatry is worse than carnage.
Which ancient cultures are you referring to in your comparison? Why do
you keep ignoring the ones that were thriving both culturally and
philosophically?
You keep blaming atheists for all sorts of bad things, even when
Christians are the ones doing the bad things. Which excuses do you have
when Christian priests molest children and keep getting protected by
the church hierarchy? Which excuses do you have for witch burnings
based on groundless evidence?
THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE LIKE IT OR NOT.
WOW YOU MUST BE RIGHT IF YOU'RE WRITING IT IN CAPS!
The real bottom line is like this: your point is that Christianity has
a monopoly on ethics and superior morals. Your point is refuted on two
levels:
1) Historic proof exists that other cultures with no Christian
influence existed during or prior to peak of Christian rule with
superior ethics. Historic proof also shows cultures with inferior
ethics... but that's like saying "my girlfriend looks better than a
dog, so she's good looking".
The fact that something is better than something else doesn't mean it's
better than everything else.
2) Both historic and modern proof exists that Christians routinely
engage in barbaric acts, as evidenced by child molestating priests.
Church hierarchy was aware of their acts and protected the priests.
If you're saying Christian morals are better than some morals or no
morals... I'll agree with you. But to say it's better than all morals
is just plain nonsense.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 10:41:37 AM |
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Do you believe that it's fair to be convicted to
death by torture because other people think you're a witch?
Temptation of idolatry is worse than carnage.
I'll take that as a yes.
Do you believe the same punishment should be handed to those fully
engaging in idolatry today?
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 10:46:39 AM |
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<talence@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119022897.833779.60170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Do you believe that it's fair to be convicted to
death by torture because other people think you're a witch?
Temptation of idolatry is worse than carnage.
I'll take that as a yes.
Yikes! Scary stuff :(
Do you believe the same punishment should be handed to those fully
engaging in idolatry today?
Hey now! Let's not give this loon any ideas :O
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "stoney" |
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18 Jun 2005 06:35:20 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:46:39 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<talence@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119022897.833779.60170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Do you believe that it's fair to be convicted to
death by torture because other people think you're a witch?
Temptation of idolatry is worse than carnage.
I'll take that as a yes.
Yikes! Scary stuff :(
Do you believe the same punishment should be handed to those fully
engaging in idolatry today?
Hey now! Let's not give this loon any ideas :O
Then those who thump the Bible get executed.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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17 Jun 2005 04:47:20 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
<talence@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119022897.833779.60170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Do you believe that it's fair to be convicted to
death by torture because other people think you're a witch?
Temptation of idolatry is worse than carnage.
I'll take that as a yes.
Yikes! Scary stuff :(
Do you believe the same punishment should be handed to those fully
engaging in idolatry today?
Hey now! Let's not give this loon any ideas :O
Whatever Jeezabel!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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18 Jun 2005 09:20:57 AM |
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Whatever Jeezabel!
Thus spoke the person condoning the superior morals of torture.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 08:08:26 AM |
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wrote:
You God haters have confused them
I prefer "logic & reason" lovers... or freethinkers... which you are
not.
and stolen their mind away from CHRIST THE GOD
Who has stolen your mind then? You've been quite rude and for someone
Your school curriculum teaches that man evolved from
apes, what were you expecting from that?
Don't act as If you were surprised.
who is supposed to have stronger morals, you seem to be quite a heretic
yourself.
The U.S. has strayed very far from biblical teaching then.
- The U.S. has the biggest military force on earth... that conflicts
with "thou shalt not kill" and with trust in their deity. If there are
dangers of e.g. terrorist attacks, people look at military force for
protection.. and not their god. It's certainly not something Jesus
would do or condone.
- The U.S. has highest degree of obesity in the world... that is
gluttonous. Again something that the bible is very clear about.
- The U.S. is one of the richest countries in the world... the bible is
unequivocally clear about rich people NOT going to heaven, yet
financial wealth is highly regarded in the U.S. and "socialists" are
evil.
Are you going to attribute military spending, obesity and wealth to
atheism too?
It's not a figmented deity that "we" hate... it's the incoherent
ramblings of people like you that we are supposed to accept as fact. To
top it all off, people like you preach morals they themselves don't
even practise!
Who are you to be a representative of the bible or the Christian
religion when YOU aren't even Christian according to the bible?
Some introspection would be nice.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 08:12:50 AM |
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You God haters have confused them
I prefer "logic & reason" lovers... or freethinkers... which you are
not.
and stolen their mind away from CHRIST THE GOD
Who has stolen your mind then? You've been quite rude and for someone
who is supposed to have stronger morals, you seem to be quite a heretic
yourself.
The U.S. has strayed very far from biblical teaching then.
- The U.S. has the biggest military force on earth... that conflicts
with "thou shalt not kill" and with trust in their deity. If there are
How many wars Moses and his people fought after they got
the Tablet "you shall not kill"? If you only knew.
This mean that your interpretation of the
context of "you shall not kill is erreneous"
dangers of e.g. terrorist attacks, people look at military force for
protection.. and not their god. It's certainly not something Jesus
would do or condone.
- The U.S. has highest degree of obesity in the world... that is
gluttonous. Again something that the bible is very clear about.
- The U.S. is one of the richest countries in the world... the bible is
unequivocally clear about rich people NOT going to heaven, yet
financial wealth is highly regarded in the U.S. and "socialists" are
evil.
Are you going to attribute military spending, obesity and wealth to
atheism too?
It's not a figmented deity that "we" hate... it's the incoherent
ramblings of people like you that we are supposed to accept as fact. To
top it all off, people like you preach morals they themselves don't
even practise!
Who are you to be a representative of the bible or the Christian
religion when YOU aren't even Christian according to the bible?
Some introspection would be nice.
Regards,
Talence
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17 Jun 2005 08:26:35 AM |
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How many wars Moses and his people fought after they got
the Tablet "you shall not kill"? If you only knew.
This mean that your interpretation of the
context of "you shall not kill is erreneous"
The correct form of the commandment is "Thou shalt not kill. Except
when you do. Then it is OK. But not the Others. When they kill it is
bad and naughty."
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15 Jun 2005 05:57:16 PM |
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On 14 Jun 2005 15:42:50 -0700, wrote:
I don't know, but it's irrelevant.
You should know....*****.
Mmmm.
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Your great great ancestors were idolatrous,
incestuous, gloutonnous,barbarian, cannibal
that is to say those who eat human flesh,unruly
uncivilized, pervert, sun worshipers,orgy lovers,
killing babies for sacrifice, they were involved with
human sacrifice,they were unjuste.
If not for Christianity, this would be
your inheritance.
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And of course YOU, are none of those things, and do none of those things?
Would you like us to go through the list for you, and point out a few of the
things that xtians do, in the name of their gods?
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Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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14 Jun 2005 04:38:10 PM |
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wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
The government of the US is not founded on Christianity!
So what??????????
Is it founded on Buddhism? And?
What was the first place of worship built by the
first settlers?
Was it a Buddhist Temple?
A polytheist temple, that is to say a temple
dedicated to idols worship?
or a "Christian" Temple,that is to say a "church"?
Please do answer.
The United States was founded on philosophical (*not* religious)
principles that were being propounded by French and English
philosophers of the time. The French Revolution also attempted to
embrace those principles.
And what does the "first place of worship built by the settlers" have
to do with anything? We're talking about how the country is governed,
not how individuals relate to the supernatural. Besides, the first
settlers arrived a long time before the country was founded, and were
looking for religious freedom - something not possible in a country
founded on one particular religion.
Jon.
aa #703
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14 Jun 2005 05:41:52 PM |
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Jon. wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
The government of the US is not founded on Christianity!
So what??????????
Is it founded on Buddhism? And?
What was the first place of worship built by the
first settlers?
Was it a Buddhist Temple?
A polytheist temple, that is to say a temple
dedicated to idols worship?
or a "Christian" Temple,that is to say a "church"?
Please do answer.
The United States was founded on philosophical (*not* religious)
principles that were being propounded by French and English
philosophers of the time. The French Revolution also attempted to
embrace those principles.
But their philosophical principles were informed by Christianity
By the way, are you opposing religion and philosophy?
This is called dishonesty.
And what does the "first place of worship built by the settlers" have
to do with anything? We're talking about how the country is governed,
not how individuals relate to the supernatural. Besides, the first
settlers arrived a long time before the country was founded, and were
looking for religious freedom - something not possible in a country
founded on one particular religion.
Jon.
aa #703
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14 Jun 2005 09:40:53 PM |
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wrote in news:1118788912.614775.72210
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Jon. wrote:
wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
The government of the US is not founded on Christianity!
So what??????????
Is it founded on Buddhism? And?
What was the first place of worship built by the
first settlers?
Was it a Buddhist Temple?
A polytheist temple, that is to say a temple
dedicated to idols worship?
or a "Christian" Temple,that is to say a "church"?
Please do answer.
The United States was founded on philosophical (*not* religious)
principles that were being propounded by French and English
philosophers of the time. The French Revolution also attempted to
embrace those principles.
But their philosophical principles were informed by Christianity
How so? Democracy was invented by the pagan Greeks.
By the way, are you opposing religion and philosophy?
How is the pp doing that?
This is called dishonesty.
Non sequitur. Opposition to something is not dishonesty. Furthermore your
claim about the pp's position is false. Now what were you saying about
dishonesty?
Klazmon.
And what does the "first place of worship built by the settlers" have
to do with anything? We're talking about how the country is governed,
not how individuals relate to the supernatural. Besides, the first
settlers arrived a long time before the country was founded, and were
looking for religious freedom - something not possible in a country
founded on one particular religion.
Jon.
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14 Jun 2005 05:50:16 PM |
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wrote:
Jon. wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
The government of the US is not founded on Christianity!
So what??????????
Is it founded on Buddhism? And?
What was the first place of worship built by the
first settlers?
Was it a Buddhist Temple?
A polytheist temple, that is to say a temple
dedicated to idols worship?
or a "Christian" Temple,that is to say a "church"?
Please do answer.
The United States was founded on philosophical (*not* religious)
principles that were being propounded by French and English
philosophers of the time. The French Revolution also attempted to
embrace those principles.
But their philosophical principles were informed by Christianity
I will grant that they grew up in predominantly Christian societies,
and to that exent, their principles were influenced by Christianity.
However, the point was not what the underlying principles behind the
various philosophies were (that would have to include Aristotelian and
Platonic notions, as well) but on what principles the United States was
founded. Nowhere is there evidence that the United States was founded
on the principles of any religion, let alone Christianity.
By the way, are you opposing religion and philosophy?
This is called dishonesty.
I'm not sure what you mean by your question. If you mean, am I
personally opposed to both religion and philosophy, I would say no. I
am opposed to religion in the sense that I do not believe in any
religion, but I am not opposed to philosophy. On the contrary, I think
that philosophy and critical thinking are much undervalued in our
society.
If you are asking whether I see religion and philosophy as opposites, I
would have to say no. I recognize that there can be religious
philosophy, as a subset of philosophy. However, what I meant was that
the principles on which the United States was founded - principally
self-government, freedom of thought and action (except for slaves), and
economic freedom - are not part of that subset.
Jon.
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14 Jun 2005 06:12:49 PM |
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Jon. wrote:
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
Jon. wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
The government of the US is not founded on Christianity!
So what??????????
Is it founded on Buddhism? And?
What was the first place of worship built by the
first settlers?
Was it a Buddhist Temple?
A polytheist temple, that is to say a temple
dedicated to idols worship?
or a "Christian" Temple,that is to say a "church"?
Please do answer.
The United States was founded on philosophical (*not* religious)
principles that were being propounded by French and English
philosophers of the time. The French Revolution also attempted to
embrace those principles.
But their philosophical principles were informed by Christianity
I will grant that they grew up in predominantly Christian societies,
and to that exent, their principles were influenced by Christianity.
However, the point was not what the underlying principles behind the
various philosophies were (that would have to include Aristotelian and
Platonic notions, as well) but on what principles the United States was
founded. Nowhere is there evidence that the United States was founded
on the principles of any religion, let alone Christianity.
By the way, are you opposing religion and philosophy?
This is called dishonesty.
I'm not sure what you mean by your question. If you mean, am I
personally opposed to both religion and philosophy, I would say no. I
am opposed to religion in the sense that I do not believe in any
religion, but I am not opposed to philosophy. On the contrary, I think
that philosophy and critical thinking are much undervalued in our
society.
If you are asking whether I see religion and philosophy as opposites, I
would have to say no. I recognize that there can be religious
philosophy, as a subset of philosophy. However, what I meant was that
the principles on which the United States was founded - principally
self-government, freedom of thought and action (except for slaves), and
economic freedom - are not part of that subset.
God-Jesus had to lure your ancestors out of barbarism
and idlatry so that you may be able to see right from wrong
and enjoy what you now enjoy. That is the bottom line,but
jerks don't like this fact, so If you don't, then
you too are a jerk.
Jon.
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14 Jun 2005 08:19:36 PM |
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wrote:
Jon. wrote:
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
Jon. wrote:
wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
The government of the US is not founded on Christianity!
So what??????????
Is it founded on Buddhism? And?
What was the first place of worship built by the
first settlers?
Was it a Buddhist Temple?
A polytheist temple, that is to say a temple
dedicated to idols worship?
or a "Christian" Temple,that is to say a "church"?
Please do answer.
The United States was founded on philosophical (*not* religious)
principles that were being propounded by French and English
philosophers of the time. The French Revolution also attempted to
embrace those principles.
But their philosophical principles were informed by Christianity
I will grant that they grew up in predominantly Christian societies,
and to that exent, their principles were influenced by Christianity.
However, the point was not what the underlying principles behind the
various philosophies were (that would have to include Aristotelian and
Platonic notions, as well) but on what principles the United States was
founded. Nowhere is there evidence that the United States was founded
on the principles of any religion, let alone Christianity.
By the way, are you opposing religion and philosophy?
This is called dishonesty.
I'm not sure what you mean by your question. If you mean, am I
personally opposed to both religion and philosophy, I would say no. I
am opposed to religion in the sense that I do not believe in any
religion, but I am not opposed to philosophy. On the contrary, I think
that philosophy and critical thinking are much undervalued in our
society.
If you are asking whether I see religion and philosophy as opposites, I
would have to say no. I recognize that there can be religious
philosophy, as a subset of philosophy. However, what I meant was that
the principles on which the United States was founded - principally
self-government, freedom of thought and action (except for slaves), and
economic freedom - are not part of that subset.
God-Jesus had to lure your ancestors out of barbarism
and idlatry so that you may be able to see right from wrong
and enjoy what you now enjoy. That is the bottom line,but
jerks don't like this fact, so If you don't, then
you too are a jerk.
How does one define "barbarism" and "idolatry"? By the way, calling
someone a "jerk" or a "fucking atheist" is uncivilized... unless you're
referring to that person's private life, in which case, MYOB.
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14 Jun 2005 08:45:28 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Jon. wrote:
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
Jon. wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
The government of the US is not founded on Christianity!
So what??????????
Is it founded on Buddhism? And?
What was the first place of worship built by the
first settlers?
Was it a Buddhist Temple?
A polytheist temple, that is to say a temple
dedicated to idols worship?
or a "Christian" Temple,that is to say a "church"?
Please do answer.
The United States was founded on philosophical (*not* religious)
principles that were being propounded by French and English
philosophers of the time. The French Revolution also attempted to
embrace those principles.
But their philosophical principles were informed by Christianity
I will grant that they grew up in predominantly Christian societies,
and to that exent, their principles were influenced by Christianity.
However, the point was not what the underlying principles behind the
various philosophies were (that would have to include Aristotelian and
Platonic notions, as well) but on what principles the United States was
founded. Nowhere is there evidence that the United States was founded
on the principles of any religion, let alone Christianity.
By the way, are you opposing religion and philosophy?
This is called dishonesty.
I'm not sure what you mean by your question. If you mean, am I
personally opposed to both religion and philosophy, I would say no. I
am opposed to religion in the sense that I do not believe in any
religion, but I am not opposed to philosophy. On the contrary, I think
that philosophy and critical thinking are much undervalued in our
society.
If you are asking whether I see religion and philosophy as opposites, I
would have to say no. I recognize that there can be religious
philosophy, as a subset of philosophy. However, what I meant was that
the principles on which the United States was founded - principally
self-government, freedom of thought and action (except for slaves), and
economic freedom - are not part of that subset.
God-Jesus had to lure your ancestors out of barbarism
and idlatry so that you may be able to see right from wrong
and enjoy what you now enjoy. That is the bottom line,but
jerks don't like this fact, so If you don't, then
you too are a jerk.
How does one define "barbarism" and "idolatry"? By the way, calling
someone a "jerk" or a "fucking atheist" is uncivilized... unless you're
referring to that person's private life, in which case, MYOB.
Toi tu la fermes....
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