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Religions > Atheism |
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"Black-Phoenix-Night" |
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04 Oct 2006 01:31:19 PM |
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The historical Jesus |
Yet, strangely, some say that Jesus never lived-that he is, in
effect, a creation of some first-century men. Answering such skeptics,
the respected historian Will Durant argued: "That a few simple men
should in one generation have invented so powerful and appealing a
personality, so lofty an ethic and so inspiring a vision of human
brotherhood, would be a miracle far more incredible than any recorded
in the Gospels."
Ask yourself: Could a person who never lived have affected human
history so remarkably? The reference work The Historians' History of
the World observed: "The historical result of [Jesus'] activities
was more momentous, even from a strictly secular standpoint, than the
deeds of any other character of history. A new era, recognised by the
chief civilisations of the world, dates from his birth."
Yes, think about it. Even calendars today are based on the year that
Jesus was thought to have been born. "Dates before that year are
listed as B.C., or before Christ," explains The World Book
Encyclopedia. "Dates after that year are listed as A.D., or anno
Domini (in the year of our Lord)."
Critics, nevertheless, point out that all that we really know about
Jesus is found in the Bible. No other contemporary records concerning
him exist, they say. Even H. G. Wells wrote: "The old Roman
historians ignored Jesus entirely; he left no impress on the historical
records of his time." But is this true?
Although references to Jesus Christ by early secular historians are
meager, such references do exist. Cornelius Tacitus, a respected
first-century Roman historian, wrote: "The name [Christian] is
derived from Christ, whom the procurator Pontius Pilate had executed
in the reign of Tiberius." Suetonius and Pliny the Younger, other
Roman writers of the time, also referred to Christ. In addition,
Flavius Josephus, a first-century Jewish historian, wrote of James,
whom he identified as "the brother of Jesus, who was called
Christ."
The New Encyclop=E6dia Britannica thus concludes: "These independent
accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity
never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the
first time and on inadequate grounds at the end of the 18th, during the
19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries."
Essentially, however, all that is known about Jesus was recorded by his
first-century followers. Their reports have been preserved in the
Gospels-Bible books written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. What do
these accounts say regarding the identity of Jesus?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
18 Oct 2006 10:04:35 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:29 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Web TV was created for people too fucking stupid to use a computer,
and its subscribers prove it.
If he can't think, what other choice does he have? AOL is so
complicated.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
18 Oct 2006 10:39:54 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:04:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:29 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Web TV was created for people too fucking stupid to use a computer,
and its subscribers prove it.
If he can't think, what other choice does he have? AOL is so
complicated.
I've never used AOL, but I know a few people who have. If that's too
tough for him, maybe computers aren't really his thing....
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
19 Oct 2006 07:38:10 AM |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:39:54 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:04:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:29 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Web TV was created for people too fucking stupid to use a computer,
and its subscribers prove it.
If he can't think, what other choice does he have? AOL is so
complicated.
I've never used AOL, but I know a few people who have. If that's too
tough for him, maybe computers aren't really his thing....
If he needs a god to keep him alive, maybe life isn't really his thing
....
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand
why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
19 Oct 2006 01:00:46 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:39:54 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:04:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:29 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Web TV was created for people too fucking stupid to use a computer,
and its subscribers prove it.
If he can't think, what other choice does he have? AOL is so
complicated.
I've never used AOL, but I know a few people who have. If that's too
tough for him, maybe computers aren't really his thing....
*Breathing* isn't his thing, either.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
19 Oct 2006 06:20:00 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:00:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <v9ffj2dmfb679qhi0jfhcs32j0o1oqluo8@4ax.com>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:39:54 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:04:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:29 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Web TV was created for people too fucking stupid to use a computer,
and its subscribers prove it.
If he can't think, what other choice does he have? AOL is so
complicated.
I've never used AOL, but I know a few people who have. If that's too
tough for him, maybe computers aren't really his thing....
*Breathing* isn't his thing, either.
Or "thinking".
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 Oct 2006 10:49:51 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:50:00 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:00:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <v9ffj2dmfb679qhi0jfhcs32j0o1oqluo8@4ax.com>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:39:54 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:04:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:29 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Web TV was created for people too fucking stupid to use a computer,
and its subscribers prove it.
If he can't think, what other choice does he have? AOL is so
complicated.
I've never used AOL, but I know a few people who have. If that's too
tough for him, maybe computers aren't really his thing....
*Breathing* isn't his thing, either.
Or "thinking".
If one isn't breathing one isn't thinking-after the first three minutes
if not before.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
21 Oct 2006 06:40:53 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:49:51 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <bbgkj2dmfb679qhi0jfhcs32j0o1oqluva@4ax.com>
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:50:00 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:00:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <v9ffj2dmfb679qhi0jfhcs32j0o1oqluo8@4ax.com>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:39:54 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:04:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:29 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Web TV was created for people too fucking stupid to use a computer,
and its subscribers prove it.
If he can't think, what other choice does he have? AOL is so
complicated.
I've never used AOL, but I know a few people who have. If that's too
tough for him, maybe computers aren't really his thing....
*Breathing* isn't his thing, either.
Or "thinking".
If one isn't breathing one isn't thinking-after the first three minutes
if not before.
These bottom-feeders have learned be anerobic, by virtue of electing
to live under septic ***** for their entire miserable lives.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
24 Oct 2006 06:54:34 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:10:53 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:49:51 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <bbgkj2dmfb679qhi0jfhcs32j0o1oqluva@4ax.com>
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:50:00 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:00:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <v9ffj2dmfb679qhi0jfhcs32j0o1oqluo8@4ax.com>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:39:54 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:04:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:29 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Web TV was created for people too fucking stupid to use a computer,
and its subscribers prove it.
If he can't think, what other choice does he have? AOL is so
complicated.
I've never used AOL, but I know a few people who have. If that's too
tough for him, maybe computers aren't really his thing....
*Breathing* isn't his thing, either.
Or "thinking".
If one isn't breathing one isn't thinking-after the first three minutes
if not before.
These bottom-feeders have learned be anerobic, by virtue of electing
to live under septic ***** for their entire miserable lives.
'Lives?'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
24 Oct 2006 08:15:23 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:54:34 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <it9tj2d174q6iit9t6dmmq7lm44o4mtsks@4ax.com>
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:10:53 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:49:51 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <bbgkj2dmfb679qhi0jfhcs32j0o1oqluva@4ax.com>
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:50:00 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:00:46 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <v9ffj2dmfb679qhi0jfhcs32j0o1oqluo8@4ax.com>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:39:54 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:04:35 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:29 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
Web TV was created for people too fucking stupid to use a computer,
and its subscribers prove it.
If he can't think, what other choice does he have? AOL is so
complicated.
I've never used AOL, but I know a few people who have. If that's too
tough for him, maybe computers aren't really his thing....
*Breathing* isn't his thing, either.
Or "thinking".
If one isn't breathing one isn't thinking-after the first three minutes
if not before.
These bottom-feeders have learned be anerobic, by virtue of electing
to live under septic ***** for their entire miserable lives.
'Lives?'
I meant it metaphorically, in the same sense that parasitic viruses
are "alive".
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Oct 2006 01:33:58 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:45:23 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:54:34 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <it9tj2d174q6iit9t6dmmq7lm44o4mtsks@4ax.com>
[]
Web TV was created for people too fucking stupid to use a computer,
and its subscribers prove it.
If he can't think, what other choice does he have? AOL is so
complicated.
I've never used AOL, but I know a few people who have. If that's too
tough for him, maybe computers aren't really his thing....
*Breathing* isn't his thing, either.
Or "thinking".
If one isn't breathing one isn't thinking-after the first three minutes
if not before.
These bottom-feeders have learned be anerobic, by virtue of electing
to live under septic ***** for their entire miserable lives.
'Lives?'
I meant it metaphorically, in the same sense that parasitic viruses
are "alive".
Ok.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
18 Oct 2006 08:34:29 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2006 15:59:37 -0700, wrote:
A scam is not the issue like you would like to make it. The issue is
L. Ron Hubbard. The issue is Jesus. They both existed, and their
followers prove it.
Really?
So Krishna exists. You just proved it.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
18 Oct 2006 07:14:25 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2006 15:59:37 -0700, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 18 Oct 2006 08:29:44 -0700, wrote:
People wouldn't follow something mundane, but they will follow
something real and extraordinary. Obviously there was a real Jesus for
such an extraordinary following.
Scientology disproved that claim in its entirety. Tens of thousands
of people following a known scam, giving it every last dime they can
get their hands on because they BELIEVE that they'll eventually be
clear. Like you believe that you'll go to a place called Heaven.
A scam is not the issue like you would like to make it. The issue is
L. Ron Hubbard. The issue is Jesus. They both existed, and their
followers prove it.
People follow Scientology even though it's a scam, so Christianity
could very well be a scam. The claim that people won't follow a
religion that's not True is disproved.
The thing we're trying to prove is the Bible. You don't start the
process by accepting the Bible as true - that's the END of the process
- the thing you have to prove.
No, you are trying to disprove the Bible.
I don't have to - archaeology disproves it.
Oh please, not the pooper scooper theory. Even cats bury their poop.
Not so deep that it disappears from all possible detection. No flood.
No Nazareth (Not that "Nazarene" means anything - it was a
mistranslation.) No eclipse on the afternoon of the "crucifixion".
Common criminals weren't crucified by Romans. There are over 1,000
MAJOR errors in the Bible.
Except for the parts that archaeology disproves. Aside from the parts
that contradict each other.
There is no aside, just general blather you can't and never will back
up.
How did Judas die?
Who cares? You want to look for his ash residue?
The bible claims he suffered 2 different deaths. That's slightly
impossible.
The writings covered 1500 years. The times, the
people, the characters, the events, the styles all fit their period.
So do the times, the people, the characters, the events and the styles
in Superman. That makes him real? You're funny.
Of course that makes sense. And no civilization has lived past 100
years ago.
That's meaningless. Your claim that "the times, the people, the
characters, the events, the styles all fit their period" is proof that
Jesus was real is the same "proof" that Superman is real.
But you earned yourself a trip to the bozo bin. I'm tired of trying
to teach you logic.
No wonder they call webTV the new AOL.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
18 Oct 2006 07:45:56 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 18 Oct 2006 15:59:37 -0700, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 18 Oct 2006 08:29:44 -0700, wrote:
People wouldn't follow something mundane, but they will follow
something real and extraordinary. Obviously there was a real Jesus for
such an extraordinary following.
Scientology disproved that claim in its entirety. Tens of thousands
of people following a known scam, giving it every last dime they can
get their hands on because they BELIEVE that they'll eventually be
clear. Like you believe that you'll go to a place called Heaven.
A scam is not the issue like you would like to make it. The issue is
L. Ron Hubbard. The issue is Jesus. They both existed, and their
followers prove it.
People follow Scientology even though it's a scam, so Christianity
could very well be a scam. The claim that people won't follow a
religion that's not True is disproved.
It's not a scam that has anything to do with authenticity as you try to
slant in.
The thing we're trying to prove is the Bible. You don't start the
process by accepting the Bible as true - that's the END of the process
- the thing you have to prove.
No, you are trying to disprove the Bible.
I don't have to - archaeology disproves it.
Oh please, not the pooper scooper theory. Even cats bury their poop.
Not so deep that it disappears from all possible detection. No flood.
No Nazareth (Not that "Nazarene" means anything - it was a
mistranslation.) No eclipse on the afternoon of the "crucifixion".
Common criminals weren't crucified by Romans. There are over 1,000
MAJOR errors in the Bible.
And you were there to discern it all?
Except for the parts that archaeology disproves. Aside from the parts
that contradict each other.
There is no aside, just general blather you can't and never will back
up.
How did Judas die?
Who cares? You want to look for his ash residue?
The bible claims he suffered 2 different deaths. That's slightly
impossible.
It's just two different accounts that are not in super detail. There
are so many possibilities with a huge earthquake at that time.
The writings covered 1500 years. The times, the
people, the characters, the events, the styles all fit their period.
So do the times, the people, the characters, the events and the styles
in Superman. That makes him real? You're funny.
Of course that makes sense. And no civilization has lived past 100
years ago.
That's meaningless. Your claim that "the times, the people, the
characters, the events, the styles all fit their period" is proof that
Jesus was real is the same "proof" that Superman is real.
No the cities, the saved history, the geographics....all coincide with
the best history has saved and has to offer.
But you earned yourself a trip to the bozo bin. I'm tired of trying
to teach you logic.
No wonder they call webTV the new AOL.
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Is that your kindergarten best? I haven't been on webtv in ages just
show your fallacy, if it had any merit anyway. Good day, and will not
further this.
CJ
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
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| User: "ShallowFalconGreen" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
18 Oct 2006 09:03:27 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 18 Oct 2006 15:59:37 -0700, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 18 Oct 2006 08:29:44 -0700, wrote:
People wouldn't follow something mundane, but they will follow
something real and extraordinary. Obviously there was a real Jesus for
such an extraordinary following.
Scientology disproved that claim in its entirety. Tens of thousands
of people following a known scam, giving it every last dime they can
get their hands on because they BELIEVE that they'll eventually be
clear. Like you believe that you'll go to a place called Heaven.
A scam is not the issue like you would like to make it. The issue is
L. Ron Hubbard. The issue is Jesus. They both existed, and their
followers prove it.
People follow Scientology even though it's a scam, so Christianity
could very well be a scam. The claim that people won't follow a
religion that's not True is disproved.
Scientolgy a Scam... say it aint so!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Now I have another bad Engram!
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| User: "JWs Against JW Incest & Porn" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus EXPOSES JW net-stalker Antonio L Santana |
25 Oct 2006 10:43:13 PM |
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"ShallowFalconGreen" <geister@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:1161223407.773935.41390@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
is Antonio L Santana aka jabriol.
(Aware that Antonio L. Santana using many aliases, anonymous remailers and
email addresses is searching for someone to possibly murder the Gulley
family I post this in the hope it saves her life from this homicidal porn
addicted person also
known as JABRIOL.)
From: Vance Liscomb <Vance_member@newsguy.com> another Jehovah's Witness
Subject: Re: For Carolyn Gulley (Correction) Antonio L Santana's victim.
In article <dnf0qs02kqh@drn.newsguy.com>, Vance Liscomb says...
You have the wrong address. He lives with Norma I. Santanta
(born September 1959) and his address is:
Antonio L. (and Norma) Santana
1064 Everett Street
Camden, NJ
(856) 968-0004
His phone number is listed under A. Santana. He was born 1961.
Oddly enough he lives across the street from the West Jersey
Hospital.
There are two Kingdom Halls in the area:
1584 S 8th St Camden, NJ 08104-1469 (856) 365-0065
417 Walnut St Camden, NJ 08103-2033 (856) 365-4457
Remember, Kingdom Halls are just buildings. There may be more
than one congregation using the same KH.
I doubt that he is a Jehovah's Witness (*he is), so you might want to
ask for Norma Santana as well when you call.
I called the 856-365-0065 number but it was changed to:
856-964-6712
A recording with a lady's voice with a Spanish accent asked me to leave a
message. This is a home phone - probably that of an elder in a Spanish
congregation. The 1584 S 8th St Kingdom Hall is only a few blocks from
where Antonio lives.
Regards Vance
NNTP-Posting-Host: p-282.newsdawg.com
Antonio give us a fine *witness* here:
"Jabriol" <geister@mailinator.com> wrote in message
It wasn't a snake. It was my foreskin. Happen a lot when I read
them porn stories on the net. I dont believe in mineral oil.
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20 Oct 2006 03:01:41 PM |
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"ShallowFalconGreen" <geister@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:1161223407.773935.41390@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Al Klein wrote:
On 18 Oct 2006 15:59:37 -0700, wrote:
FLUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Oct 2006 10:06:04 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2006 19:03:27 -0700, "ShallowFalconGreen"
<geister@mailinator.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
People follow Scientology even though it's a scam, so Christianity
could very well be a scam. The claim that people won't follow a
religion that's not True is disproved.
Scientolgy a Scam... say it aint so!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Now I have another bad Engram!
Take two body thetans and don't call me in the morning.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
- Letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434
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On 18 Oct 2006 19:03:27 -0700, "ShallowFalconGreen"
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Bye bye, Jabbers.
<re-re-re-re-re PLONK!>
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On 18 Oct 2006 19:03:27 -0700, "ShallowFalconGreen"
<geister@mailinator.com> wrote:
Bye bye, Jabbers.
<re-re-re-re-re PLONK!>
Jabriol aka the net-stalking sex/porn obsessed Jehovahs Witness Antonio L
Santana. What they say about this NG destroying religious terrorist
net-stalker.
"¬Saba*Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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"Spider-Mek-359" Antonio L Santana/jabriol<darth.gantz@gmail.com> skrev i
melding
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¬Saba*Gracile¬ wrote:
fucking psychopath..
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"Jehovah's witnesses need to have their throats slit"
<user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote in message
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Altitude wrote:
http://www.mithrilstar.org/newssamhain04.htm
FOAD, Jabbertroll
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On 18 Oct 2006 19:03:27 -0700, "ShallowFalconGreen"
<geister@mailinator.com> wrote:
Bye bye, Jabbers.
<re-re-re-re-re PLONK!>
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Piltdown man was a real thorn in the side of evolution, it was the
anomaly that undermined the theory. Evolutionary science benefited from
it's debunking. We have Lucy etc for real missing links (as well as
Jabriol)
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"Barpseed Beta Version 3.0" <Barspeed@tesco.net> wrote in message
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Antonio drives an old rusty mini cooper and offers candy to young boys.
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On 14 Aug 2006 17:50:21 -0700, "BullDozer" <geister@mailinator.com>
wrote: (BS snipped)
***** off and die, Jabbers.
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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<Ilumantius@Iknowmore.net>JABRIOL wrote: snip bs
Anyone who trusts jabriol to tell the truth is clinically brain-dead.
"Ilumantius@Iknowmore.net" gets added to the bulging killfile reserved
for this criminally insane fuckwit.
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:23:31 GMT, JaBrioL <Jabriol@mailinator.com>
wrote:
And many others, influenced by evolution, turn to atheism and
agnosticism. Do you identify with any of these people and how they feel
about religion?
*****, Jabriol. Yet again.
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:13:00 GMT, Blockade JABRIOL/Antonio L
Santana/Gantz/Blak<slash@neck.net> wrote:
As you can see Carol really doesn't bring any sort of intelligence to
any thread.
STFU, Jabbers.
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"FaceDancer" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Jabriol-Green wrote:
She doesn't know.
Well then. She is a moron. Oh by the way,
Jabriol; you are still a moron.
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Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"JaBrioL" <Jabriol@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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turn to atheism and agnosticism.
Do you identify with any of these people and how they feel about
religion?
No, Jabbers, I don't.
Now, get back into my killfile for the ten millionth freaking time :P
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"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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johac wrote:
In article <44cd6e1d$0$15895$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>,
Thanks for the update. Jabbers is well known in these parts. Forging has
become all too. common. It's hard to imagine that anyone could be so
desperate for attention.
He's right up (or down) with "Pastor" Frank, "Richard Dawkins" and maybe
even Pastor Dave. We've definitely got our share. Must be the topics...
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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If you really want to add value while you are here on earth, go and
convince jabriol to commit suicide or something.
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"TimK" <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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"HeatWave" <HeatWave@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Learn some math.
You fucking idiot, that doesn't even make sense.
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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Jabriol-Violet <Jabriol-Violet@mailinator.com> wrote in
news:WyXKg.1652$m36.448@trnddc02:
your posting history claims you have been posting just from sept.
unless you are lying.
Says the nym-shifting sack of *****.
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:29:22 GMT, wrote:
Go play on the Interstate, Jabbers.
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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I think he probably took the nym from the old Pete Townsend song 'Face
Dances', which, like his earlier 'Eminence Front', is about people who
pretend to be something they're not, in which case a 'FaceDancer'
would be a liar and/or a pretentious twit. A fitting nym for Jabbers.
<G>
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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Jesus H. Christ on a crutch!
Who do you have do pay/screw to get that terminal
fuckwit Jabbers to ignore you? What's the secret?
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:41:38 GMT, JabriolJade
<JabriolJade@mailinator.com> wrote:
That simple. Just believe that everyone that posts with thunderbird is
Jabriol... ***** them off... Should be easy.
It is even wimpler than that, Pooh-Jabber.
Just plonk everyone who displays a negative IQ combined with a hatred
of everyone and everything and a sociopathic streak several
light-years wide.
That is a sure-fire method of blocking you, and ONLY you.
Now *****.
Again.
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"Hartley Patterson" <hpttrsn@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Jabriol-Green Jabriol-Green@mailinator.com:
I removed Talk.Origins from my reply. They have a content moderation
filter in effect against anything Jabriol related...
Newsgroups are separate for a good reason - their posters want to
discuss the subject in the title, though they might wander off topic
themselves they don't want outsiders stomping in and rudely interrupting
them.
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
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FaceDancer wrote:
You actually believe this? Prey tell, what are the name of these nation
who are governed by Theocracy.
Iran. Afghanistan before the Taleban was overthrown. The USA under
the Bush administration, although arguably it's equally governed by big
business.
Still waiting on you finding the guts to face me, "Face" Dancer in the
other thread from which you're running. Know the one I mean? Or shall
I embarrass you with a reference to it?
[rest of vacuous ***** snipped]
Budikka - Kicking Jabriol's dumb ***** for over two years.
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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Jabriol-Violet <Jabriol-Violet@mailinator.com> wrote in
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your posting history claims you have been posting just from sept.
unless you are lying.
Says the nym-shifting sack of *****.
The only person who goes nuts and sys this is carol. Do you know
carol?
No. I've seen your sorry ***** far too often, though. Perhaps, if just
once you actually had a point, an original thought . . . no, that's too
much to ask. Nothing but plagerized Watchtower crap and incompetent
attempts to smear others, that's who you are, it's what you do. And you
know you are a lame sack of *****. That's why you have to nym-shift
several times a day.
Well, after a good *****, most people wipe and flush. You aren't even a
good *****. Down you go, buddy!
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>
wrote in message news:5l9ag2hndfe064hhapjc19bmmd7r6tpoia@4ax.com...
Just being jabriol is penalty enough for him.
Imagine having to live inside that vile and poisonous brain.
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"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com>
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Wonder how many of Jabber's sock puppets are
included in the 144,000 destined for heaven?
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Jabriol gives usenet a fine WITNESS:
"Kenran Butoh Sai" is JABRIOL; a Jehovah's Witness<sai@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:BbmMg.1166$xr.100@trnddc03...
You left because you couldn't masturbate and screw women at 14?
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"Mike Anderson" <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
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Vance Liscomb wrote:
What exactly have I lied about?
Let's save some bandwidth and list the things you have NOT lied about:
1: ...............
Hmmm...I seem to be having problems coming up with even the first thing.
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:16:50 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Guess you were lying.
Not a difficult call in Vance's case.
I don't recall him ever having posted anything even vaguely resembling
truth or reality here.
He is a compulsive liar for YHWH.
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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I expect nothing but double standards from this viciously ignorant JW
lying cretin.
Anything else would come as a shock!
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"Barspeed Beta version 4.0" <barspeed@tooscale.co.uk> wrote in message
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Iblis Ginjo (JABRIOL) wrote: SNIP!
An idiot, trying to correct someone, who is already correct. Use spell
check moron (moanong). Come on over to alt.autos.mini , and I will kick
your *****.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Wilson" <tw1985fla@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.free.newsservers,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.talk.creationism,alt.atheism,free.christians
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Carolyn Gulley still claims you have me under investigation..
I used to be a JW and I'm familiar with this idiot. I have a degree in
Psychology and I'm a Microsoft Systems Engineer.
Jabriol is a psychopath who needs either lifelong mental
treatment or else to be eliminated before he hurts someone for real. If
anyone like him ever made the statements he makes and did it to my family
and frightened them, I'd take care of him myself. End of story.
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"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Altitude wrote:
http://www.mithrilstar.org/newssamhain04.htm
Send your daughter out on Halloween, Jabbers, so we can sacrifice her.
Oh wait, she's not a virgin. You saw to that, didn't you?
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18 Oct 2006 10:14:30 PM |
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ShallowFalconGreen wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 18 Oct 2006 15:59:37 -0700, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 18 Oct 2006 08:29:44 -0700, wrote:
People wouldn't follow something mundane, but they will follow
something real and extraordinary. Obviously there was a real Jesus for
such an extraordinary following.
Scientology disproved that claim in its entirety. Tens of thousands
of people following a known scam, giving it every last dime they can
get their hands on because they BELIEVE that they'll eventually be
clear. Like you believe that you'll go to a place called Heaven.
A scam is not the issue like you would like to make it. The issue is
L. Ron Hubbard. The issue is Jesus. They both existed, and their
followers prove it.
People follow Scientology even though it's a scam, so Christianity
could very well be a scam. The claim that people won't follow a
religion that's not True is disproved.
Scientolgy a Scam... say it aint so!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Now I have another bad Engram! <
'Scientology a Scam... say it aint so!!!!' ?? Sorry, it's a scam. A bag
of lies, truths and half-truths combined to control people. It's
totally incompatible with any religion or practice, even tho they claim
it is. Hubbard figured out how to suck the soul right out of the heart
without the person realizing it. It's called brainwashing. Mine was not
completely washed, so they tried to steal my soul outright. I managed
to get out with the help of God, who I turned to in desperation. I'd
left him but he never left. me
You ask: "So Christianity could very well be a scam." ?? Naw. religion
can be a scam and depending upon which brand of christian religion one
chooses, one could find oneself in one.
There are man made religion scams ripping off the ignorant. But there
is only one Jesus Christ and those 'religious' interpretations of why
God sent him and what he died are what mess people up. Then you have
'religious' people telling you what to think on TV, in books, in
scholarly works & in life, instead of referring people to the written
word of God to read for themself.
So the solution to knowing if christianity is a scam is to just read
the words of Jesus Christ straight from the bible. One can read what HE
said, not what religion says; The bible, we find what the prophet
Isaiah foretold the jews- about Jesus' coming to earth; and how Jesus
was received once he got there. In his own words and those of his
friends. Not others.
The best part is that one can read why he loved his enemy, inspite of
all that was done to him; Despite him having every reason to hate, he
managed to love and carry the sins of the world along with that cross
on his death walk, like 'dead man walking.' That took love, faith;
hope, & certainty. One can read where he got those from, in his own
words. And why he died for other's sin. And what that means in the
first place. One can get the facts oneself.
Reading the bible chapter by chapter helps one put statements like
these into perspective:
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through Me John 14:6 (NKJV)
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes
in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes
in Me shall never die. John 11: 25-26
It's not supposed to be more complicated that that, but a scammer will
make it so. Beware.
Search the bible and read for yourself. Don't take my word for it. Take
his:
http://bibleresources.bible.com/keywordsearch.php Type in Jesus
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19 Oct 2006 07:37:20 AM |
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On 18 Oct 2006 20:14:30 -0700, "Out_Of_The_Dark"
<xscilentologist@yahoo.com> wrote:
You ask: "So Christianity could very well be a scam." ?? Naw. religion
can be a scam and depending upon which brand of christian religion one
chooses, one could find oneself in one.
There are man made religion scams ripping off the ignorant. But there
is only one Jesus Christ
And we know this because ... no reason, just good, old-fashioned
special pleading.
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rukbat at optonline dot net
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
-A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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19 Oct 2006 06:19:23 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:37:20 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <lbsej2p0t6aimhr7ps3ejpn1pp73g757mg@4ax.com>
On 18 Oct 2006 20:14:30 -0700, "Out_Of_The_Dark"
<xscilentologist@yahoo.com> wrote:
You ask: "So Christianity could very well be a scam." ?? Naw. religion
can be a scam and depending upon which brand of christian religion one
chooses, one could find oneself in one.
There are man made religion scams ripping off the ignorant. But there
is only one Jesus Christ
And we know this because ... no reason, just good, old-fashioned
special pleading.
They just need to reduce it by one more, and they'll be spot on!
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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18 Oct 2006 10:22:31 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2006 08:29:44 -0700, wrote:
People wouldn't follow something mundane, but they will follow
something real and extraordinary. Obviously there was a real Jesus for
such an extraordinary following.
So obvious, that nobody bothered to write about a chappie who
- converted water into wine
- walked over water
- cured the sick
- raised the dead
Why, that ain't miraculous enough for us Middle-East dwellers. We them
magickers do that every day!
In other words: you obviously missed to tell us your sources outside
the bible. Please do.
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16 Oct 2006 05:08:32 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
Council of Nicea? Why would they have heard anything?
So they decided which books "quoting Jesus" were correct and which
ones weren't, based on not knowing what Jesus said? That makes sense.
A google search will reveal that Al Klein knows that this is not so.
Whether you choose to discuss anything further with someone willing to
lie is up to you, of course.
You can locate all the ancient texts that mention Nicaea at
http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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16 Oct 2006 08:37:03 AM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 16 October 2006 6:08 am
perhaps from wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
Council of Nicea? Why would they have heard anything?
So they decided which books "quoting Jesus" were correct and which
ones weren't, based on not knowing what Jesus said? That makes
sense.
A google search will reveal that Al Klein knows that this is not so.
Whether you choose to discuss anything further with someone willing to
lie is up to you, of course.
You can locate all the ancient texts that mention Nicaea at
http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html
All the best,
Roger Pearse
Oh I am sure we are going to find truth at
http://www.tertullian.org/RPEARSE/nicaea.html which is as apologetic as
one can get. Thanks for posting though. Your posts are always good
for a laugh. Roger considers himself to be an expert just because he
cut and pasted some things to a website. He then takes the most
biased, apologetically oriented translations which support his own
views, and sits there as a smug fundie. Roger can't even read those
original languages, so he has no ideas whether those translations are
accurate or not.
In fact if one reads what he posts, and then goes to his own website,
one would find Roger often contradicts what is on his VERY OWN WEBSITE.
This last explosion of postings from Roger is quite unusual. Usually he
posts, snipes and runs, never to be seen again for a month or two. When
faced with a question that he can't answer or catch him in a lie then
out comes the vitrolic calling the person anti-Christian. He is the
perfect example of a wolf in sheep's skin without the cunning of a
wolf.
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Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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16 Oct 2006 01:53:28 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:37:03 -0400, Darrell Stec
<darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
This last explosion of postings from Roger is quite unusual. Usually he
posts, snipes and runs, never to be seen again for a month or two. When
faced with a question that he can't answer or catch him in a lie then
out comes the vitrolic calling the person anti-Christian. He is the
perfect example of a wolf in sheep's skin without the cunning of a
wolf.
Or the intelligence of a sheep ... skin.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
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| User: "shriven leper" |
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13 Oct 2006 11:44:32 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:25:07 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 13 Oct 2006 08:05:23 -0700, wrote:
Not really. The claims that Jesus made were taken out of context
By the writers of the Bible?
nonetheless, even though trying to dissuade them in dialog; he was
labeled as a blasphemer for taking on the persona of the 'One God'.
He claimed that he WASN'T his father.
Wrong as usual, Al. Jesus' purported claim that God was his
(heavenly) Father is found in all the Gospels. Of course, Jesus did
not "take on the persona of the One God" - even in the Johannine
documents, Jesus is merely the obedient servant _of_ the Father. He
is only the Son. He is not the Father, the Creator, YHVH, "God", etc.
snipped
Pontus Pilate,
just wanted to skirt the issue. All he asked was, "What is truth?".
And after that, he was released back into the hands of the Israeli
system of justice.
Nice story, but crucifixion was a ROMAN punishment - the Israelites
would no more have executed someone than the 21st century US would use
the Guillotine.
Half-right. Any time that there was a gap in Roman procuratorship,
the Jews executed their felons such as Stephen, James the brother of
Jesus, and James the member of the Twelve.
Nonetheless, after Jesus' death, Rome came in and
desimated Israel in the year 70 A.D.,
Which had nothing to do with Jesus or Christianity.
Another over-hasty judgment. There is a strong tradition that
James, Jesus' brother, was "zealous for the Law" and "Pillar of the
People", who had many followers within Jesus' sectarian movement, and
was widely admired by Jewish Jerusalemites in general. It would be
extremely naive to assume that among James' own group and its Jewish
supporters there were not many who were "hawks" vis a vis Roman
authority. If that was the case, then Roman suppression of the two
Jewish revolts would quite naturally have factored-in James and his
Judeo-Christian supporters. Not to mention that JC was killed by
Romans on a Roman cross. Certainly Joel Carmichael and SGF Brandon
have made an arguable case for just such a scenario.
snipped
You really need to learn a little history, you know so little.
As do you, Al. Oh, I know you plonked me, but be confident that
I'll follow you like a pesky shadow every time you say something nuts
about religion.
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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04 Oct 2006 08:32:32 PM |
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Black-Phoenix-Night wrote:
Yet, strangely, some say that Jesus never lived-that he is, in
effect, a creation of some first-century men.
The existence of the historical Jesus fellow is a matter of little
interest. What is of interest is the development of Christianity and
its religious claims. Whether or not the Jesus fellow existed it is
obvious, except to children, the developmentally disabled, and
delusional adults that the objective religious claims are ludicrous.
I will happily stipulate that the Jesus fellow existed if you will
stipulate that doctrines of God-men, virgin births, resurrections from
the dead, spontaneous healings, and the like are silly superstitions.
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
04 Oct 2006 09:13:51 PM |
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Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
Black-Phoenix-Night wrote:
Yet, strangely, some say that Jesus never lived-that he is, in
effect, a creation of some first-century men.
The existence of the historical Jesus fellow is a matter of little
interest. What is of interest is the development of Christianity and
its religious claims. Whether or not the Jesus fellow existed it is
obvious, except to children, the developmentally disabled, and
delusional adults that the objective religious claims are ludicrous.
I will happily stipulate that the Jesus fellow existed if you will
stipulate that doctrines of God-men, virgin births, resurrections from
the dead, spontaneous healings, and the like are silly superstitions.
Who cares what you will stipulate? That proves absolutely nothing!
Besides we do not need your stipulation, approval, or agreement. Jesus
is the King of Kings, whether you like it or not, and the rest of what
you hold out to us is ours for the taking as well! So who set you up
to dispense truth as you see it?
The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whomsoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: The historical Jesus |
05 Oct 2006 08:05:02 AM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com>
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Who cares what you will stipulate? That proves absolutely nothing!
And you think anything you stipulate proves anything?
Besides we do not need your stipulation, approval, or agreement. Jesus
is the King of Kings, whether you like it or not,
Really? Prove it then.
and the rest of what
you hold out to us is ours for the taking as well!
Try it.
So who set you up
to dispense truth as you see it?
LOL - Oh, the irony.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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