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"Terry Cross" |
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15 Dec 2007 04:24:22 PM |
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The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection. Allied with that cult in the murder of Jesus was one
of the more successfully brutal empires the world has seen.
The message of Jesus was unsurpassed in all the literature of human
history. Jesus spoke with such force and conviction, apparently he
lured thousands of listeners away from the cult, and gathered to
himself a following that threatened their power, such that for several
years they dared not move against him directly.
But Gibson failed to include anything of Jesus' message in the film,
and thereby missed utterly the importance of Jesus. Instead, Gibson
included magical/mythical symbols of evil, and reduced the conflict
between Good and Evil to a mere struggle between celestial symbols and
political forces. Instead of love vs. malice and wisdom vs.
superstition, Gibson had only Team A vs. Team B.
The Muslims say every prophet must perform a miracle, and they reckon
the miracle of Muhammad to be his authorship of the Holy Quran. To
those who can read it in Arabic, apparently, the Quran is unsurpassed
in beauty of language, grammar, and truth.
In that vein, the miracle of Jesus is not his making the blind to see
or the lame to walk, nor even raising the dead. It is not the
prophecy of his birth, the manner of his birth, nor even the miracle
of rising from the tomb. Those things might be invented in the
telling and cannot be verified.
However, the Sermon on the Mount is not invented. It is a present-
time miracle for everyone who reads it. It is those truths for which
Jesus died.
That Jesus was willing to die for his truth is important. That he was
killed for his truth is incidental. That his death was remarkably
brutal is historical. That his truth withstood that brutal death is
miraculous.
That Jesus defied so profoundly the prevailing cult of his birth is
also miraculous. The black/white contrast of the Old/New Testaments
is staggering for those who have studied both.
The Jews awaited a warrior king who would annihilate and enslave the
Gentiles as Moses had instructed them to do, and as Joshua and David
had tried. That was the pay-off of Judaism: A mighty conqueror who
would clobber the infidels and restore the glory David's legendary
empire throughout the (known) world. THAT was the Jewish Messiah.
Jesus was, of course, not the Jewish Messiah. Jesus brought a message
that annihilates both warriors and war itself. His message makes
unnecessary and undesirable the dross and glitter of empires. Despite
1500 years of emendation, alteration, reinterpretation, and
encumbrance, the message of Jesus still shines forth from the heap of
rubble that is modern Christianity.
Like a cracked and pitted photograph, the truthful image of Jesus is
yet discernible, and it is far less - and far more - than the image in
Gibson's film.
Copyright 2007, Terry Cross
May be freely reprinted with attribution
TCross
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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15 Dec 2007 10:06:26 PM |
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"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection.
No, the Jesus story was different from that of other political prisoners in
that he got up three days later, fine and dandy.
Jesus's wimpy three-day sacrifice is an insult to the one-way sacrifices of
real political prisoners. It's a slap in the face.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "thomas p." |
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16 Dec 2007 02:14:37 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:RsudnQ1XRtbeOfnanZ2dnUVZ_sOrnZ2d@io.com...
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection.
No, the Jesus story was different from that of other political prisoners
in that he got up three days later, fine and dandy.
Jesus's wimpy three-day sacrifice is an insult to the one-way sacrifices
of real political prisoners. It's a slap in the face.
Is Terry aware that, according to the "Holy Bible" that "poisonous racist
cult" was founded by god? Anti-semites are truly idiots.
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| User: "" |
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16 Dec 2007 11:27:04 PM |
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On 16-Dec-2007, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is Terry aware that, according to the "Holy Bible" that "poisonous racist
cult" was founded by god? Anti-semites are truly idiots.
And the "logic" that her ilk uses to twist out of these facts is truly
amazing.
Susan
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| User: "Boy Gary" |
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17 Dec 2007 07:09:43 AM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On 16-Dec-2007, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is Terry aware that, according to the "Holy Bible" that "poisonous racist
cult" was founded by god? Anti-semites are truly idiots.
I think you meant to say the hebrew cult which Yahwehbooie vowed to
exterminate for their wickedness. This is why the Orthodox don't believe in
the State of israel. They know that they were intended to be punished for
eternity for their sins against mankind.
And the "logic" that her ilk uses to twist out of these facts is truly
amazing.
Susan
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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16 Dec 2007 02:18:37 AM |
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On Dec 16, 12:14 am, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:RsudnQ1XRtbeOfnanZ2dnUVZ_sOrnZ2d@io.com...
"Terry Cross" <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection.
No, the Jesus story was different from that of other political prisoners
in that he got up three days later, fine and dandy.
Jesus's wimpy three-day sacrifice is an insult to the one-way sacrifices
of real political prisoners. It's a slap in the face.
Is Terry aware that, according to the "Holy Bible" that "poisonous racist
cult" was founded by god? Anti-semites are truly idiots.
Neither you nor I believe the Bible is the Word of God. What is your
point?
TCross
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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15 Dec 2007 10:44:56 PM |
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On Dec 15, 8:06 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection.
No, the Jesus story was different from that of other political prisoners in
that he got up three days later, fine and dandy.
Jesus's wimpy three-day sacrifice is an insult to the one-way sacrifices of
real political prisoners. It's a slap in the face.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was divine and arose
from the dead.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was a mortal who just
died a particularly brutal death for his speech crimes.
Which odd statement are you making?
TCross
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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16 Dec 2007 01:19:12 AM |
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"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c10257a3-5698-47f6-b99c-aab639d6daaa@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 8:06 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection.
No, the Jesus story was different from that of other political prisoners
in
that he got up three days later, fine and dandy.
Jesus's wimpy three-day sacrifice is an insult to the one-way sacrifices
of
real political prisoners. It's a slap in the face.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was divine and arose
from the dead.
I agree, it would be admitting one's beliefs are lame and despicable.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was a mortal who just
died a particularly brutal death for his speech crimes.
Not when one is using the statement to illustrate to believers just how lame
and despicable their beliefs are.
An actual Jesus doesn't even need to exist for the illustration to work.
Which odd statement are you making?
Context is everything.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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15 Dec 2007 11:57:26 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:44:56 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 8:06 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection.
No, the Jesus story was different from that of other political prisoners in
that he got up three days later, fine and dandy.
Jesus's wimpy three-day sacrifice is an insult to the one-way sacrifices of
real political prisoners. It's a slap in the face.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was divine and arose
from the dead.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was a mortal who just
died a particularly brutal death for his speech crimes.
Which odd statement are you making?
Why artificially restrict it to just the two choices?
Are you that mentally lame, or are you assuming that Dennis is so
naive that he will take your Christo-bait?
(Or perhaps both?)
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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16 Dec 2007 01:06:50 AM |
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On Dec 15, 9:57 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:44:56 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 8:06 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection.
No, the Jesus story was different from that of other political prisoners in
that he got up three days later, fine and dandy.
Jesus's wimpy three-day sacrifice is an insult to the one-way sacrifices of
real political prisoners. It's a slap in the face.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was divine and arose
from the dead.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was a mortal who just
died a particularly brutal death for his speech crimes.
Which odd statement are you making?
Why artificially restrict it to just the two choices?
Are you that mentally lame, or are you assuming that Dennis is so
naive that he will take your Christo-bait?
(Or perhaps both?)
Oy vey, I forgot the possibility the Jesus might have been a Siberian
Husky who disagreed with the Pharisees concerning the superior brand
of dog food. Thanks for reminding us.
TCross
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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16 Dec 2007 01:14:14 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:06:50 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 9:57 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:44:56 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 8:06 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection.
No, the Jesus story was different from that of other political prisoners in
that he got up three days later, fine and dandy.
Jesus's wimpy three-day sacrifice is an insult to the one-way sacrifices of
real political prisoners. It's a slap in the face.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was divine and arose
from the dead.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was a mortal who just
died a particularly brutal death for his speech crimes.
Which odd statement are you making?
Why artificially restrict it to just the two choices?
Are you that mentally lame, or are you assuming that Dennis is so
naive that he will take your Christo-bait?
(Or perhaps both?)
Oy vey, I forgot the possibility the Jesus might have been a Siberian
Husky who disagreed with the Pharisees concerning the superior brand
of dog food. Thanks for reminding us.
Glad to be of help to you mental cripples.
Your latter proposition is far more plausible than your original
impossible scenario of a male clone from a female virgin irrational
*****.
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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16 Dec 2007 01:21:05 AM |
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On Dec 15, 11:14 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:06:50 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 9:57 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:44:56 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 8:06 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection.
No, the Jesus story was different from that of other political prisoners in
that he got up three days later, fine and dandy.
Jesus's wimpy three-day sacrifice is an insult to the one-way sacrifices of
real political prisoners. It's a slap in the face.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was divine and arose
from the dead.
That is an odd statement if you believe Jesus was a mortal who just
died a particularly brutal death for his speech crimes.
Which odd statement are you making?
Why artificially restrict it to just the two choices?
Are you that mentally lame, or are you assuming that Dennis is so
naive that he will take your Christo-bait?
(Or perhaps both?)
Oy vey, I forgot the possibility the Jesus might have been a Siberian
Husky who disagreed with the Pharisees concerning the superior brand
of dog food. Thanks for reminding us.
Glad to be of help to you mental cripples.
Your latter proposition is far more plausible than your original
impossible scenario of a male clone from a female virgin irrational
*****.
Do you always collapse into ungrammatical babble when you think about
it? Perhaps you have more personal problems with the subject than a
simple unbelief.
TCross
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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16 Dec 2007 08:44:15 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:06:26 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection.
No, the Jesus story was different from that of other political prisoners in
that he got up three days later, fine and dandy.
Jesus's wimpy three-day sacrifice is an insult to the one-way sacrifices of
real political prisoners. It's a slap in the face.
And it wasn't even three-day, but only _touched_ upon three days: dead Friday
night, vanished from the tomb Sunday morning = ~36 hours. A real three days
would be (check my math, please--I am a lit major) 3 x 24 hours = 72 hours.
A mere trifle for a character with an infinite amount of time on his hands.
WOA (Wicked Old Atheist) #2278
If you can't be a dirty old man,
what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Dr. Noah" |
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15 Dec 2007 08:18:50 PM |
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"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
There are many parts to the message of Jesus. That he was tortured
and killed for his message is not a minor part, but neither should it
be the only part. There was in the life of Jesus after all, a
message, and a very important message, too.
Many people, black, white, and grey, have died horribly. Many
political prisoners have been tortured and killed for no reason beyond
being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jesus was different. Jesus died because he spoke against and defied a
poisonous racist cult that was masquerading as the height of goodness
and perfection. Allied with that cult in the murder of Jesus was one
of the more successfully brutal empires the world has seen.
The message of Jesus was unsurpassed in all the literature of human
history. Jesus spoke with such force and conviction, apparently he
lured thousands of listeners away from the cult, and gathered to
himself a following that threatened their power, such that for several
years they dared not move against him directly.
But Gibson failed to include anything of Jesus' message in the film,
Gibson's film was made to potray the last day of Jesus' life not his entire
life or message. But when I hear it called a "snuff film" I know that jew
propagandists are at work. Are these people so simple minded that they think
people fall for their crap and defamation?
and thereby missed utterly the importance of Jesus. Instead, Gibson
included magical/mythical symbols of evil, and reduced the conflict
between Good and Evil to a mere struggle between celestial symbols and
political forces. Instead of love vs. malice and wisdom vs.
superstition, Gibson had only Team A vs. Team B.
The Muslims say every prophet must perform a miracle, and they reckon
the miracle of Muhammad to be his authorship of the Holy Quran. To
those who can read it in Arabic, apparently, the Quran is unsurpassed
in beauty of language, grammar, and truth.
In that vein, the miracle of Jesus is not his making the blind to see
or the lame to walk, nor even raising the dead. It is not the
prophecy of his birth, the manner of his birth, nor even the miracle
of rising from the tomb. Those things might be invented in the
telling and cannot be verified.
However, the Sermon on the Mount is not invented. It is a present-
time miracle for everyone who reads it. It is those truths for which
Jesus died.
That Jesus was willing to die for his truth is important. That he was
killed for his truth is incidental. That his death was remarkably
brutal is historical. That his truth withstood that brutal death is
miraculous.
That Jesus defied so profoundly the prevailing cult of his birth is
also miraculous. The black/white contrast of the Old/New Testaments
is staggering for those who have studied both.
It is so startling because Jesus was not a jew. You won't find 1 jew in the
last 2000 years who has written or said anything even remotely similar to
Jesus. It simply is not in their tribal barbaric genetic Nature. A jew will
never be an advanced modern person.
The Jews awaited a warrior king who would annihilate and enslave the
Gentiles as Moses had instructed them to do, and as Joshua and David
had tried. That was the pay-off of Judaism: A mighty conqueror who
would clobber the infidels and restore the glory David's legendary
empire throughout the (known) world. THAT was the Jewish Messiah.
And their belief still hasn't changed. Read the talmud.
Jesus was, of course, not the Jewish Messiah. Jesus brought a message
that annihilates both warriors and war itself. His message makes
unnecessary and undesirable the dross and glitter of empires. Despite
1500 years of emendation, alteration, reinterpretation, and
encumbrance, the message of Jesus still shines forth from the heap of
rubble that is modern Christianity.
Like a cracked and pitted photograph, the truthful image of Jesus is
yet discernible, and it is far less - and far more - than the image in
Gibson's film.
The film is called the Passion not the Life of Christ.
Copyright 2007, Terry Cross
May be freely reprinted with attribution
TCross
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16 Dec 2007 11:25:02 PM |
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On 15-Dec-2007, "Dr. Noah" <noah@theflood.ir> wrote:
That Jesus defied so profoundly the prevailing cult of his birth is
also miraculous. The black/white contrast of the Old/New Testaments
is staggering for those who have studied both.
It is so startling because Jesus was not a jew. You won't find 1 jew in
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last 2000 years who has written or said anything even remotely similar to
Jesus. It simply is not in their tribal barbaric genetic Nature. A jew
will
never be an advanced modern person.
Now that you & Terry Cross have found each other, please go get
a room somewhere & stop bothering honest, decent folk.
Susan
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| User: "Boy Gary" |
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17 Dec 2007 07:04:10 AM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On 15-Dec-2007, "Dr. Noah" <noah@theflood.ir> wrote:
That Jesus defied so profoundly the prevailing cult of his birth is
also miraculous. The black/white contrast of the Old/New Testaments
is staggering for those who have studied both.
It is so startling because Jesus was not a jew. You won't find 1 jew in
the
last 2000 years who has written or said anything even remotely similar to
Jesus. It simply is not in their tribal barbaric genetic Nature. A jew
will
never be an advanced modern person.
Now that you & Terry Cross have found each other, please go get
a room somewhere & stop bothering honest, decent folk.
Take the gaspipe :o)
Susan
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| User: "Binjamin Cramer" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
17 Dec 2007 04:32:27 AM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:OKn9j.84811$rZ3.84377@trnddc07...
On 15-Dec-2007, "Dr. Noah" <noah@theflood.ir> wrote:
That Jesus defied so profoundly the prevailing cult of his birth is
also miraculous. The black/white contrast of the Old/New Testaments
is staggering for those who have studied both.
It is so startling because Jesus was not a jew. You won't find 1 jew in
the
last 2000 years who has written or said anything even remotely similar to
Jesus. It simply is not in their tribal barbaric genetic Nature. A jew
will
never be an advanced modern person.
Now that you & Terry Cross have found each other, please go get
a room somewhere & stop bothering honest, decent folk.
You're not bothered, cohen, so why do you care.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
15 Dec 2007 11:48:17 PM |
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On Dec 15, 9:18 pm, "Dr. Noah" <n...@theflood.ir> wrote:
Gibson's film was made ...
....for the same reason every other commercial motion picture is
made...to make it's producers and distributors a great deal of money.
Jesus may have thrown the moneychangers out of the temple but Mel
wanted to give them (and himself) front row seats.
All preachers have one primary inspiration...to make themselves
ridiculously wealthy and powerful at the expense of others. Gibson has
few peers in that regard save the Catholic Church and American
Protestant televangelists. His movie fleeced the sheep very, very
well.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
16 Dec 2007 11:26:04 PM |
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On 16-Dec-2007, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeGrey@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 9:18 pm, "Dr. Noah" <n...@theflood.ir> wrote:
Gibson's film was made ...
...for the same reason every other commercial motion picture is
made...to make it's producers and distributors a great deal of money.
Jesus may have thrown the moneychangers out of the temple but Mel
wanted to give them (and himself) front row seats.
All preachers have one primary inspiration...to make themselves
ridiculously wealthy and powerful at the expense of others. Gibson has
few peers in that regard save the Catholic Church and American
Protestant televangelists. His movie fleeced the sheep very, very
well.
Yes; it was his own underling who leaked the script to the ADL,
& thus caused all the controversy that really fuelled the publicity
for the movie.
Susan
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
16 Dec 2007 12:56:29 AM |
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On Dec 15, 9:48 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 9:18 pm, "Dr. Noah" <n...@theflood.ir> wrote:
Gibson's film was made ...
...for the same reason every other commercial motion picture is
made...to make it's producers and distributors a great deal of money.
Many movies have been made for different reasons. Much in the
minority, certainly, but enough to put the lie to your "every"
statement above. Were all Holocaust movies intended to make a "great
deal of money?"
Jesus may have thrown the moneychangers out of the temple but Mel
wanted to give them (and himself) front row seats.
All preachers have one primary inspiration...to make themselves
ridiculously wealthy and powerful at the expense of others.
Nope. Some preachers live dirt poor all their lives. Your impossible
summation must necessarily apply to Martin Luther King, Jr., Albert
Schweitzer, and Mother Theresa, and by this we may know you are just
plain wrong.
Gibson has
few peers in that regard save the Catholic Church and American
Protestant televangelists. His movie fleeced the sheep very, very
well.
Perhaps. Gibson also angered most of the Jewish controlled studios in
Hollywood, resulting in fewer roles for himself as an actor and
ultimately less personal income.
TCross
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| User: "Benjamin Cramer" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
16 Dec 2007 12:59:04 AM |
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"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:056b5937-35e6-41d9-afd4-3c694e72f385@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 9:48 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 9:18 pm, "Dr. Noah" <n...@theflood.ir> wrote:
Gibson's film was made ...
...for the same reason every other commercial motion picture is
made...to make it's producers and distributors a great deal of money.
Many movies have been made for different reasons. Much in the
minority, certainly, but enough to put the lie to your "every"
statement above. Were all Holocaust movies intended to make a "great
deal of money?"
Sure were.
From both the perspective of bums on seats and as a marketing tool.
Jesus may have thrown the moneychangers out of the temple but Mel
wanted to give them (and himself) front row seats.
All preachers have one primary inspiration...to make themselves
ridiculously wealthy and powerful at the expense of others.
Nope. Some preachers live dirt poor all their lives. Your impossible
summation must necessarily apply to Martin Luther King, Jr., Albert
Schweitzer, and Mother Theresa, and by this we may know you are just
plain wrong.
Gibson has
few peers in that regard save the Catholic Church and American
Protestant televangelists. His movie fleeced the sheep very, very
well.
Perhaps. Gibson also angered most of the Jewish controlled studios in
Hollywood, resulting in fewer roles for himself as an actor and
ultimately less personal income.
TCross
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
16 Dec 2007 01:11:04 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:48:17 -0800 (PST), Lord Calvert
<CalvertdeGrey@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 9:18 pm, "Dr. Noah" <n...@theflood.ir> wrote:
Gibson's film was made ...
...for the same reason every other commercial motion picture is
made...to make it's producers and distributors a great deal of money.
Jesus may have thrown the moneychangers out of the temple but Mel
wanted to give them (and himself) front row seats.
All preachers have one primary inspiration...to make themselves
ridiculously wealthy and powerful at the expense of others. Gibson has
few peers in that regard save the Catholic Church and American
Protestant televangelists. His movie fleeced the sheep very, very
well.
But that end may have been merely a byproduct of his severe delusion
meme, adn only vaguely intentional.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
15 Dec 2007 06:00:35 PM |
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"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
That's nice.
And you posted this ***** in alt.atheism because.................
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
15 Dec 2007 08:31:11 PM |
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On Dec 15, 4:00 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
That's nice.
And you posted this ***** in alt.atheism because.................
There are people in alt.atheism I thought might want to read it.
In your word - Duh.
TCross
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
16 Dec 2007 06:22:41 AM |
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"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:210c51cb-e514-472f-aeb1-ee247a7f9176@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 4:00 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
That's nice.
And you posted this ***** in alt.atheism because.................
There are people in alt.atheism I thought might want to read it.
Yeah, sure you did, liar. PLONK
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
15 Dec 2007 10:41:48 PM |
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On Dec 15, 7:00 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
That's nice.
And you posted this ***** in alt.atheism because.................
...he felt like giving you something to do, retard.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
15 Dec 2007 06:02:34 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:00:35 -0500, in alt.atheism
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
<5sj84sF191cfuU1@mid.individual.net>:
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Personally? I didn't like it.
That's nice.
And you posted this ***** in alt.atheism because.................
It's Terry Cross, the second name being a description of his attitude
toward the world.
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
15 Dec 2007 08:39:16 PM |
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In article
<d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Terry Cross <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Personally? I didn't like it.
Sugartits? Is that you?
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
17 Dec 2007 10:46:16 AM |
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"chibiabos" <chib@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:151220071839168066%chib@nospam.com...
In article
<d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Terry Cross <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Personally? I didn't like it.
Sugartits? Is that you?
SNORT!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
19 Dec 2007 02:04:38 AM |
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On 17-Dec-2007, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"chibiabos" <chib@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:151220071839168066%chib@nospam.com...
In article
<d74abedb-6d11-466f-8124-ce72cafa913c@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Terry Cross <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Personally? I didn't like it.
Sugartits? Is that you?
SNORT!
Yeah, chibiabos definitely "wins at teh Interwebs"!
Susan
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?=" |
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| Title: Re: The Importance of Mel Gibson's Movie |
19 Dec 2007 11:21:21 PM |
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On Dec 15, 11:24 pm, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Personally? I didn't like it.
I don't care. (And, I don't care for Mel Gibson, his movies or his
message.)
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