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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Bill"
Date: 04 Oct 2003 02:30:02 PM
Object: The Jesus myth
The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.
The only reason adults cling to this myth is the inherent fear of death and
the potential life after death. Who wants to burn eternally in hell. Who
does not hope to live a wonderful eternal life in heaven? This is the opiate
that bolsters the illogical religious beliefs.
Just consider how ridiculous and totally illogical the foundation of the
Christian belief
system is.
Keep in mind that God is supposedly all powerful and creator of the heavens,
the earth and all the creatures in the Universe.
This all powerful God, who created the human race with it's multitude of
imperfections and ignorance, then sent God the son to earth having him born
of the virgin Mary. He then had him grow up normally from child hood to
adulthood with the profession of an illiterate carpenter as an adult.
He then preached a variant of Judaism in a small area of the middle East.
His preaching reached only a miniscule portion of the worlds population at
that time. The millions that were born and died prior to his coming received
non of his religious instruction and lived and died without its benefits.
The other millions that he did not reach with his preachings like wise lived
and died without the benefit of his teachings and pronouncements.
Jesus then let the Romans arrest him and painfully and cruelly kill him by
nailing him to a cross with two common criminals. What could be the purpose
of this for an omnipotent God?
After all his grossly inefficient and ineffective teaching and crusifiction
he rose from his crypt and went back to heaven from whence he came.
He left behind no documents or writings of his own, as evidence of his
instructions to the human race. Instead he left it to fallible humans to
document his instructions in frequently varied and contradictory documents
now called the Bible. Despite the passage of 2,000 years he has still left
millions without the knowledge or benefit of his teachings.
Man has been able to create world wide communications systems such as
radio,TV and cell phones. Why didn't God use his awesome powers to reach
all of his subjects directly via some efficient similer communications
system. Why doesn't he now?
The answer is simple. This whole Christian/Jesus belief system is pure myth.
--
Bill Mech
wmech@att.net
.

User: "Melchizedek"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 12:54:15 AM
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)
.
User: "Kenneth Doyle"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 01:27:38 AM
"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in
news:amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com:

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly
talk about him. :-) It's like constantly talking about a
$4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-) You have to be a
real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)

Nice troll!
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 09:10:51 AM
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 06:27:38 +0000, Kenneth Doyle wrote:

"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in
news:amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com:

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly
talk about him. :-) It's like constantly talking about a
$4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-) You have to be a
real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)


Nice troll!

Mel? Nah. Bad troll! is more like it...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.


User: "Ian"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 04:23:31 PM
In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>,

says...


"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)

Gee, I guess that makes all the fiction writers and fans in the world
hypocrites then eh? Oh, and talking constantly about characters in TV
shows and movies is right out too. Just to be safe, better rub out that
pesky imagination thing before you turn hypocrite too!
--
To reply to me via email, drop the dash in the address.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 06 Oct 2003 08:31:51 PM
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:23:31 -0400, Ian <masakado-kou@yahoo.com>, Message
ID: <MPG.19ea55dd2e73f17e989684@netnews.upenn.edu> wrote in alt.atheism;

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>,


says...


"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)

Gee, I guess that makes all the fiction writers and fans in the world
hypocrites then eh? Oh, and talking constantly about characters in TV
shows and movies is right out too. Just to be safe, better rub out that
pesky imagination thing before you turn hypocrite too!

That's much much too late. Pencil ***** is one of the photographs
illustrating hypocracy.


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 07 Oct 2003 09:05:51 AM
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:31:51 -0700, stoney wrote:

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:23:31 -0400, Ian <masakado-kou@yahoo.com>, Message
ID: <MPG.19ea55dd2e73f17e989684@netnews.upenn.edu> wrote in alt.atheism;

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>,


says...


"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)

Gee, I guess that makes all the fiction writers and fans in the world
hypocrites then eh? Oh, and talking constantly about characters in TV
shows and movies is right out too. Just to be safe, better rub out that
pesky imagination thing before you turn hypocrite too!


That's much much too late. Pencil ***** is one of the photographs
illustrating hypocracy.

On the *other hand, one shouldn't attribute to malice what can be
attributed to stupidity...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 07 Oct 2003 01:09:01 PM
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:05:51 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com>, Message ID:
<pan.2003.10.07.14.05.50.591494@eac.org> wrote in alt.atheism;

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:31:51 -0700, stoney wrote:

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:23:31 -0400, Ian <masakado-kou@yahoo.com>, Message
ID: <MPG.19ea55dd2e73f17e989684@netnews.upenn.edu> wrote in alt.atheism;

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>,


says...


"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)

Gee, I guess that makes all the fiction writers and fans in the world
hypocrites then eh? Oh, and talking constantly about characters in TV
shows and movies is right out too. Just to be safe, better rub out that
pesky imagination thing before you turn hypocrite too!


That's much much too late. Pencil ***** is one of the photographs
illustrating hypocracy.


On the *other hand, one shouldn't attribute to malice what can be
attributed to stupidity...

Pencil ***** is grossly stupid and malevolent to boot.


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.




User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 12:18:25 PM
In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)

And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 08 Oct 2003 08:09:27 PM
"M. Clark" <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote in message
news:1g2cxu8.edvpib1kiyln7N%idontreply@toemail.com...

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter

Bunny.


Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about
him. :-) It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does
not exist. :-) You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk

about

something you do not
believe exists. :-)


And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?


As I've mentioned elsewhere, who are you to deny the integrity of the
testimonies of those who, evidently unlike yourself, have been willing
to leave the "comfort zone" of the five senses to test the realities of
the spiritual realm in faith?

Because they don't agree with each other and have nothing but anecdotal
evidence to support any of their allegations.
They have no more weight than "the testimonies of those who, evidently
unlike yourself, have been willing to leave the "comfort zone" of the five
senses to test the realities of the " people at the local university who
are controlling them through computer rays.
.
User: "M. Clark"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 09 Oct 2003 12:06:34 PM
Mike Painter <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote:

"M. Clark" <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote in message
news:1g2cxu8.edvpib1kiyln7N%idontreply@toemail.com...

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter

Bunny.


Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about
him. :-) It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does
not exist. :-) You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk

about

something you do not
believe exists. :-)


And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?


As I've mentioned elsewhere, who are you to deny the integrity of the
testimonies of those who, evidently unlike yourself, have been willing
to leave the "comfort zone" of the five senses to test the realities of
the spiritual realm in faith?


Because they don't agree with each other and have nothing but anecdotal
evidence to support any of their allegations.

The may not agree with each other but this does'n mean that everybody is
wrong either.
M. Clark


They have no more weight than "the testimonies of those who, evidently
unlike yourself, have been willing to leave the "comfort zone" of the five
senses to test the realities of the " people at the local university who
are controlling them through computer rays.

.
User: "John Hattan"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 09 Oct 2003 03:21:10 PM
(M. Clark) wrote:

Mike Painter <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote:

"M. Clark" <

> wrote in message
news:1g2cxu8.edvpib1kiyln7N%
...

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter

Bunny.


Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about
him. :-) It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does
not exist. :-) You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk

about

something you do not
believe exists. :-)


And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?


As I've mentioned elsewhere, who are you to deny the integrity of the
testimonies of those who, evidently unlike yourself, have been willing
to leave the "comfort zone" of the five senses to test the realities of
the spiritual realm in faith?


Because they don't agree with each other and have nothing but anecdotal
evidence to support any of their allegations.


The may not agree with each other but this does'n mean that everybody is
wrong either.

It does, however exclude the possibility of it being inerrant and
supervised by a perfect god, which many of its followers profess.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
.

User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 09 Oct 2003 01:45:25 PM
In article <1g2k62u.ax9erm1ck3a0pN%idontreply@toemail.com>, M. Clark says...


Mike Painter <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote:

"M. Clark" <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote in message
news:1g2cxu8.edvpib1kiyln7N%idontreply@toemail.com...

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter

Bunny.


Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about
him. :-) It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does
not exist. :-) You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk

about

something you do not
believe exists. :-)


And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?


As I've mentioned elsewhere, who are you to deny the integrity of the
testimonies of those who, evidently unlike yourself, have been willing
to leave the "comfort zone" of the five senses to test the realities of
the spiritual realm in faith?


Because they don't agree with each other and have nothing but anecdotal
evidence to support any of their allegations.


The may not agree with each other but this does'n mean that everybody is
wrong either.

Neither does it mean that any of them are right, either.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.



User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 12:29:44 PM
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:18:25 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)


And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?

Never! Not once! Why, he would *never, *never, *never discuss imaginary
figures! I mean, if you so much as *mention one, it means you're a
hypocrite!
And we all know, Mel is surely no hypocrite...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 06 Oct 2003 12:35:05 PM
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:29:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com>, Message ID:
<pan.2003.10.05.17.29.43.630050@eac.org> wrote in alt.atheism;

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:18:25 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)


And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?


Never! Not once! Why, he would *never, *never, *never discuss imaginary
figures! I mean, if you so much as *mention one, it means you're a
hypocrite!

And we all know, Mel is surely no hypocrite...

/me surfs through a 100th storey window in the tsunami wave of sarcasm.


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 06 Oct 2003 05:40:05 PM
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:35:05 -0700, stoney wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:29:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com>, Message ID:
<pan.2003.10.05.17.29.43.630050@eac.org> wrote in alt.atheism;

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:18:25 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)


And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?


Never! Not once! Why, he would *never, *never, *never discuss imaginary
figures! I mean, if you so much as *mention one, it means you're a
hypocrite!

And we all know, Mel is surely no hypocrite...


/me surfs through a 100th storey window in the tsunami wave of sarcasm.

Hey, he's good at that!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.


User: "Harry Leopold"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 03:27:15 PM
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:29:44 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in message <pan.2003.10.05.17.29.43.630050@eac.org>):

From: "Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.religion, alt.religion.christian

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:18:25 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter
Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about
him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist.
:-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do
not
believe exists. :-)


And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?


Never! Not once! Why, he would *never, *never, *never discuss imaginary
figures! I mean, if you so much as *mention one, it means you're a hypocrite!

And we all know, Mel is surely no hypocrite...

Ok, Mark, you now owe me a new Myth 6 (model 66) Irony-O-Meter. It was not
even a week old and it blew up like Krakatoa. Now I know why those things
never come with a warranty.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"And Thor is one that you should definitely never argue with when it is
raining and you are wearing copper underwear." - walksalone
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 06:04:06 PM
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:27:15 +0000, Harry Leopold wrote:

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:29:44 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in message <pan.2003.10.05.17.29.43.630050@eac.org>):

From: "Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.religion, alt.religion.christian

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:18:25 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter
Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about
him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist.
:-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do
not
believe exists. :-)


And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?


Never! Not once! Why, he would *never, *never, *never discuss imaginary
figures! I mean, if you so much as *mention one, it means you're a hypocrite!

And we all know, Mel is surely no hypocrite...


Ok, Mark, you now owe me a new Myth 6 (model 66) Irony-O-Meter. It was not
even a week old and it blew up like Krakatoa. Now I know why those things
never come with a warranty.

You're still using an irony meter?
I thought they were banned after the great Randy Story disaster...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.
User: "Harry Leopold"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 06 Oct 2003 08:20:05 PM
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:04:06 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in message <pan.2003.10.05.23.04.06.453785@eac.org>):

Never! Not once! Why, he would *never, *never, *never discuss imaginary
figures! I mean, if you so much as *mention one, it means you're a
hypocrite!

And we all know, Mel is surely no hypocrite...


Ok, Mark, you now owe me a new Myth 6 (model 66) Irony-O-Meter. It was not
even a week old and it blew up like Krakatoa. Now I know why those things
never come with a warranty.


You're still using an irony meter?

I thought they were banned after the great Randy Story disaster...

I put Randy on ignore about his second day posting here, so I never got the
word. (Life is too short to waste too much time on complete morons.)
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"Your God wears fuzzy, pink, bunny slippers."
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 07 Oct 2003 08:54:09 AM
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:20:05 +0000, Harry Leopold wrote:

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:04:06 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in message <pan.2003.10.05.23.04.06.453785@eac.org>):

Never! Not once! Why, he would *never, *never, *never discuss imaginary
figures! I mean, if you so much as *mention one, it means you're a
hypocrite!

And we all know, Mel is surely no hypocrite...


Ok, Mark, you now owe me a new Myth 6 (model 66) Irony-O-Meter. It was not
even a week old and it blew up like Krakatoa. Now I know why those things
never come with a warranty.


You're still using an irony meter?

I thought they were banned after the great Randy Story disaster...


I put Randy on ignore about his second day posting here, so I never got the
word. (Life is too short to waste too much time on complete morons.)

Surely a new model has the warning sticker on it! The one that says "do
not operate in the vicinity of..."
Though it *is hard to read with so many names crammed into such a small
sticker...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.
User: "Harry Leopold"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 07 Oct 2003 03:56:43 PM
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 8:54:09 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in message <pan.2003.10.07.13.54.08.777314@eac.org>):

From: "Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.religion, alt.religion.christian

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:20:05 +0000, Harry Leopold wrote:

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:04:06 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in message <pan.2003.10.05.23.04.06.453785@eac.org>):

Never! Not once! Why, he would *never, *never, *never discuss imaginary
figures! I mean, if you so much as *mention one, it means you're a
hypocrite!

And we all know, Mel is surely no hypocrite...


Ok, Mark, you now owe me a new Myth 6 (model 66) Irony-O-Meter. It was
not
even a week old and it blew up like Krakatoa. Now I know why those
things
never come with a warranty.


You're still using an irony meter?

I thought they were banned after the great Randy Story disaster...


I put Randy on ignore about his second day posting here, so I never got
the
word. (Life is too short to waste too much time on complete morons.)


Surely a new model has the warning sticker on it! The one that says "do not
operate in the vicinity of..."

Though it *is hard to read with so many names crammed into such a small
sticker...

Yes, there is that. It is amazing how many names they are able to put on
that tiny sticker, isn't it?
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"The line separating painfully bad analogies from weirdly good ones is as
thin as a soup made from the shadow of a chicken that was starved to death."
- Alydar2
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 07 Oct 2003 10:53:19 PM
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:56:43 +0000, Harry Leopold wrote:

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 8:54:09 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in message <pan.2003.10.07.13.54.08.777314@eac.org>):

From: "Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.religion, alt.religion.christian

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:20:05 +0000, Harry Leopold wrote:

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:04:06 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in message <pan.2003.10.05.23.04.06.453785@eac.org>):

Never! Not once! Why, he would *never, *never, *never discuss imaginary
figures! I mean, if you so much as *mention one, it means you're a
hypocrite!

And we all know, Mel is surely no hypocrite...


Ok, Mark, you now owe me a new Myth 6 (model 66) Irony-O-Meter. It was
not
even a week old and it blew up like Krakatoa. Now I know why those
things
never come with a warranty.


You're still using an irony meter?

I thought they were banned after the great Randy Story disaster...


I put Randy on ignore about his second day posting here, so I never got
the
word. (Life is too short to waste too much time on complete morons.)


Surely a new model has the warning sticker on it! The one that says "do not
operate in the vicinity of..."

Though it *is hard to read with so many names crammed into such a small
sticker...


Yes, there is that. It is amazing how many names they are able to put on
that tiny sticker, isn't it?

Took a tunneling microscope!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.







User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 12:23:33 PM
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:18:25 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

In article <amOfb.118$xg1.63@news.randori.com>, Melchizedek says...



"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)


And you've NEVER mentioned Santa Claus, right?

It's *****-cheese Mel, A.K.A. smeg-head. You'll never get any sense out
of him.
.

User: "Jos Flachs"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 09 Oct 2003 06:49:37 AM
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:19:44 -0600,
(M. Clark)
wrote:

As I've mentioned elsewhere, who are you to deny the integrity of the
testimonies of those who, evidently unlike yourself, have been willing
to leave the "comfort zone" of the five senses to test the realities of
the spiritual realm in faith?

That proves Heaven's Gate is real. Eat your porridge, Mr. Clark!
.


User: "bob young"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 04:28:12 AM
Melchizedek wrote:

"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)

Atheists have a genuine desire to see humanity behaving in a sensible humanitarian
manner, treating all peoples and races as equals. They despise what a large
portion of humanity wastes on religious activities - it is like working for a boss
who never appears at the office.
Take one tiny example which still applies to Muslim and other religions today, but
Christianity has largely dropped it [proving that the substance of religion is
false anyway] and I refer to widowhood.
70 years ago in the west and today in the east, at least in some parts. a widow
will go into mourning, never re-marry and wait to join her long lost husband in
heavan. Some are widowed below age 40 and live the rest of their days in misery.
Now it is changing for the better - but this is the kind of thing that atheists
and humanitarians, for that is what we are, hate the most.
Religion is control of the flock for the sake of.....you finish it
Bob
Hong Kong
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never
has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity:
Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
If i may add to what Mr fields says, the 'madness' can be seen on the front page
of any newspaper today
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 09:10:14 AM
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 05:54:15 +0000, Melchizedek wrote:


"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Atheists do not believe Jesus existed, BUT they constantly talk about him. :-)
It's like constantly talking about a $4 dollar bill that does not exist. :-)
You have to be a real hypocrite to constanly talk about something you do not
believe exists. :-)

YAWN.
The religions that arose around the Jesus myth *do exist dumbass.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.


User: "Melchizedek"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 04 Oct 2003 05:19:57 PM
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

The only reason adults cling to this myth is the inherent fear of death and
the potential life after death. Who wants to burn eternally in hell. Who
does not hope to live a wonderful eternal life in heaven? This is the opiate
that bolsters the illogical religious beliefs.

Just consider how ridiculous and totally illogical the foundation of the
Christian belief
system is.

Keep in mind that God is supposedly all powerful and creator of the heavens,
the earth and all the creatures in the Universe.

This all powerful God, who created the human race with it's multitude of
imperfections and ignorance, then sent God the son to earth having him born
of the virgin Mary. He then had him grow up normally from child hood to
adulthood with the profession of an illiterate carpenter as an adult.

He then preached a variant of Judaism in a small area of the middle East.
His preaching reached only a miniscule portion of the worlds population at
that time. The millions that were born and died prior to his coming received
non of his religious instruction and lived and died without its benefits.
The other millions that he did not reach with his preachings like wise lived
and died without the benefit of his teachings and pronouncements.

Jesus then let the Romans arrest him and painfully and cruelly kill him by
nailing him to a cross with two common criminals. What could be the purpose
of this for an omnipotent God?

After all his grossly inefficient and ineffective teaching and crusifiction
he rose from his crypt and went back to heaven from whence he came.

He left behind no documents or writings of his own, as evidence of his
instructions to the human race. Instead he left it to fallible humans to
document his instructions in frequently varied and contradictory documents
now called the Bible. Despite the passage of 2,000 years he has still left
millions without the knowledge or benefit of his teachings.

Man has been able to create world wide communications systems such as
radio,TV and cell phones. Why didn't God use his awesome powers to reach
all of his subjects directly via some efficient similer communications
system. Why doesn't he now?

The answer is simple. This whole Christian/Jesus belief system is pure myth.


--
Bill Mech
wmech@att.net


Mt 7:13 Enter through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and spacious and
broad is the way that leads away to destruction, and many are those who are
entering through it.
Mt 7:14 But the gate is narrow (contracted by pressure) and the way is
straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find
it. [Deut. 30:19; Jer. 21:8]
Mt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you dressed as sheep, but inside
they are devouring wolves. [Ezek. 22:27]
7. Conclusion: call to decision and commitment (7:13-27)
a. Two ways (7:13-14)
The Sermon on the Mount ends with four warnings, each offering paired contrasts:
two ways (vv. 13-14), two trees (vv. 15-20), two claims (vv. 21-23), and two
builders (vv. 24-27). They focus on eschatological judgment and so make it plain
that the theme is still the kingdom of heaven. But if some will not enter it
(vv. 13-14, 21-23), the sole basis for such a tragedy is their response to
Jesus' words.
13-14 The general picture here is clear enough: there are two gates, two roads,
two crowds, two destinations. The "narrow" gate is clearly restrictive and does
not permit entrance to what Jesus prohibits. The "wide" gate seems far more
inviting. The "broad" road is spacious and accommodates the crowd and their
baggage; the other road is "narrow" and restricting, because it is the way of
persecution and opposition--a major theme in Matthew (see comment on 5:10-12;
cf. Ac 14:22).
But the two roads are not ends in themselves. The narrow road leads to life,
i.e., to the consummated kingdom (cf. vv. 21-23); but the broad road leads to
eternal death (cf. 25:34, 46; Jn 17:12; Ro 9:22; et al.). Democratic decisions
do not determine truth and righteousness in the kingdom; the way that leads to
life is exclusively by revelation.
It seems best to regard the gate as something entered in this life as one begins
the path of discipleship. Entrance through the gate into the narrow way of
persecution begins now but issues in the consummated kingdom at the other end of
that way. In other words, even the beginning of this path to life is
restrictive.
.
User: "Blast Femur"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 04 Oct 2003 09:05:17 PM
"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in
news:fIHfb.40$xg1.7@news.randori.com:
<snip all, including circular argument>
When called upon to prove his god, the religious man quotes the bible.
Why is it he cannot see he is using the bible to prove the bible? I, of
course, could do the same to prove the existence of Harry Potter. Why do
they do this? Fear of hell, of course, another concept that only exists
in the bible.
Don't you people get dizzy?
--
Blast Femur
______________
So, what are you going to do with the first 18,547,387,259,122,090 years
of eternity?
.
User: "Fistful of Nothing"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 04 Oct 2003 10:13:22 PM
"Blast Femur" <youwish@yeah.com> wrote in message
news:Xns940AC21271173blastfemur@204.127.199.17...

"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in
news:fIHfb.40$xg1.7@news.randori.com:

<snip all, including circular argument>

When called upon to prove his god, the religious man quotes the bible.
Why is it he cannot see he is using the bible to prove the bible?

I have always had a problem with that.
Don't they understand that this will convince no one?
I, of

course, could do the same to prove the existence of Harry Potter. Why do
they do this? Fear of hell, of course, another concept that only exists
in the bible.

Don't you people get dizzy?

I do, when they won't listen and just keep quoting...



--
Blast Femur

______________

So, what are you going to do with the first 18,547,387,259,122,090 years
of eternity?

.


User: "Kenneth Doyle"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 04 Oct 2003 08:32:40 PM
"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in
news:fIHfb.40$xg1.7@news.randori.com:


[The four warnings that end the sermon on the mount] focus on
eschatological judgment and so make
it plain that the theme is still the kingdom of heaven. But
if some will not enter it (vv. 13-14, 21-23), the sole
basis for such a tragedy is their response to Jesus' words.

Glad to see you got the point. Since there are no words of
Jesus' in existence, everyone is doomed.
.

User: "bob young"

Title: Re: The Jesus myth 05 Oct 2003 04:12:19 AM
Melchizedek wrote:

"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_cFfb.164035$0v4.12387867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

The Jesus myth is no more believable than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

The only reason adults cling to this myth is the inherent fear of death and
the potential life after death. Who wants to burn eternally in hell. Who
does not hope to live a wonderful eternal life in heaven? This is the opiate
that bolsters the illogical religious beliefs.

Just consider how ridiculous and totally illogical the foundation of the
Christian belief
system is.

Keep in mind that God is supposedly all powerful and creator of the heavens,
the earth and all the creatures in the Universe.

This all powerful God, who created the human race with it's multitude of
imperfections and ignorance, then sent God the son to earth having him born
of the virgin Mary. He then had him grow up normally from child hood to
adulthood with the profession of an illiterate carpenter as an adult.

He then preached a variant of Judaism in a small area of the middle East.
His preaching reached only a miniscule portion of the worlds population at
that time. The millions that were born and died prior to his coming received
non of his religious instruction and lived and died without its benefits.
The other millions that he did not reach with his preachings like wise lived
and died without the benefit of his teachings and pronouncements.

Jesus then let the Romans arrest him and painfully and cruelly kill him by
nailing him to a cross with two common criminals. What could be the purpose
of this for an omnipotent God?

After all his grossly inefficient and ineffective teaching and crusifiction
he rose from his crypt and went back to heaven from whence he came.

He left behind no documents or writings of his own, as evidence of his
instructions to the human race. Instead he left it to fallible humans to
document his instructions in frequently varied and contradictory documents
now called the Bible. Despite the passage of 2,000 years he has still left
millions without the knowledge or benefit of his teachings.

Man has been able to create world wide communications systems such as
radio,TV and cell phones. Why didn't God use his awesome powers to reach
all of his subjects directly via some efficient similer communications
system. Why doesn't he now?

The answer is simple. This whole Christian/Jesus belief system is pure myth.


--
Bill Mech
wmech@att.net


Mt 7:13 Enter through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and spacious and
broad is the way that leads away to destruction, and many are those who are
entering through it.

Mt 7:14 But the gate is narrow (contracted by pressure) and the way is
straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find
it. [Deut. 30:19; Jer. 21:8]

Mt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you dressed as sheep, but inside
they are devouring wolves. [Ezek. 22:27]

7. Conclusion: call to decision and commitment (7:13-27)

a. Two ways (7:13-14)

The Sermon on the Mount ends with four warnings, each offering paired contrasts:
two ways (vv. 13-14), two trees (vv. 15-20), two claims (vv. 21-23), and two
builders (vv. 24-27). They focus on eschatological judgment and so make it plain
that the theme is still the kingdom of heaven. But if some will not enter it
(vv. 13-14, 21-23), the sole basis for such a tragedy is their response to
Jesus' words.

13-14 The general picture here is clear enough: there are two gates, two roads,
two crowds, two destinations. The "narrow" gate is clearly restrictive and does
not permit entrance to what Jesus prohibits. The "wide" gate seems far more
inviting. The "broad" road is spacious and accommodates the crowd and their
baggage; the other road is "narrow" and restricting, because it is the way of
persecution and opposition--a major theme in Matthew (see comment on 5:10-12;
cf. Ac 14:22).

But the two roads are not ends in themselves. The narrow road leads to life,
i.e., to the consummated kingdom (cf. vv. 21-23); but the broad road leads to
eternal death (cf. 25:34, 46; Jn 17:12; Ro 9:22; et al.). Democratic decisions
do not determine truth and righteousness in the kingdom; the way that leads to
life is exclusively by revelation.

It seems best to regard the gate as something entered in this life as one begins
the path of discipleship. Entrance through the gate into the narrow way of
persecution begins now but issues in the consummated kingdom at the other end of
that way. In other words, even the beginning of this path to life is
restrictive.

er.....exactly what are we supposed to have achieved here.....?
.



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