Religions > Atheism > The many arrows sticking out of Bob Pastorio's heart (soon even Bob's head will bow despite the stiff neck and his knees will bend acknowledging that the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords).
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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10 Jan 2006 05:13:30 PM |
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The many arrows sticking out of Bob Pastorio's heart (soon even Bob's head will bow despite the stiff neck and his knees will bend acknowledging that the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords). |
Bob (this one) wrote:
cteasd5941@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bob,
Did you mean for your feelings about Andrew to result in someone, who
may be a little naive of the Internet, to publish their telephone
number?
Hey moron Carol.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength
demonstrated by Carol and other Christians to resist the temptation of
descending into namecalling.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| Title: Re: The many arrows sticking out of Bob Pastorio's heart (soon even Bob's head will bow despite the stiff neck and his knees will bend acknowledging that the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords). |
11 Jan 2006 01:20:52 AM |
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JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
cteasd5941@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bob,
Did you mean for your feelings about Andrew to result in someone, who
may be a little naive of the Internet, to publish their telephone
number?
Hey moron Carol.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength
demonstrated by Carol and other Christians to resist the temptation of
descending into namecalling.
You mean like how you, with no evidence, call people liars?
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart so that I am able to
discern the truth in the hearts of others, it remains my choice to
refrain from namecalling.
Nonethess, this is not about me.
Instead this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider on a white horse wielding a bow:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (ie missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian
miners who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after
being trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider on a fiery red horse wielding a sword:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
suffers a massive stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq escalates.
U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider on a black horse wielding a set of food scales:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to slay a fourth of the
world's population using the world's wild animals:
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Note: The migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| Title: Re: The many arrows sticking out of Bob Pastorio's heart (soon evenBob's head will bow despite the stiff neck and his knees will bendacknowledging that the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords). |
11 Jan 2006 06:16:11 PM |
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"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
cteasd5941@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bob,
Did you mean for your feelings about Andrew to result in someone, who
may be a little naive of the Internet, to publish their telephone
number?
Hey moron Carol.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength
demonstrated by Carol and other Christians to resist the temptation of
descending into namecalling.
You mean like how you, with no evidence, call people liars?
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart so that I am able to
discern the truth in the hearts of others, it remains my choice to
refrain from namecalling.
Nonethess, this is not about me.
You're so vain, you probably think this flame is about you.
Let me guess: "nonetheless"?
Correct.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7fafc1ebd8ea8994?hl=en&
"If that were true, you would have been more able to either spell or
use
the spellchecker here." So sayeth Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Too bad. Too, too bad.
We all fall short of the LORD's glory. Sorry for the typographical
errors. It will happen again. Please forgive my iniquities.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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12 Jan 2006 11:18:40 PM |
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JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
cteasd5941@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bob,
Did you mean for your feelings about Andrew to result in someone, who
may be a little naive of the Internet, to publish their telephone
number?
Hey moron Carol.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength
demonstrated by Carol and other Christians to resist the temptation of
descending into namecalling.
You mean like how you, with no evidence, call people liars?
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart so that I am able to
discern the truth in the hearts of others, it remains my choice to
refrain from namecalling.
Nonethess, this is not about me.
You're so vain, you probably think this flame is about you.
Let me guess: "nonetheless"?
Correct.
Too bad you were so quick to criticize.
It was not criticism but an answer to the question that was asked.
You remain in my prayers, dear JessHC whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name :-)
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the
6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into
the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
suffers a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/19/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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13 Jan 2006 03:31:42 PM |
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"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
cteasd5941@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bob,
Did you mean for your feelings about Andrew to result in someone, who
may be a little naive of the Internet, to publish their telephone
number?
Hey moron Carol.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength
demonstrated by Carol and other Christians to resist the temptation of
descending into namecalling.
You mean like how you, with no evidence, call people liars?
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart so that I am able to
discern the truth in the hearts of others, it remains my choice to
refrain from namecalling.
Nonethess, this is not about me.
You're so vain, you probably think this flame is about you.
Let me guess: "nonetheless"?
Correct.
Too bad you were so quick to criticize.
It was not criticism but an answer to the question that was asked.
Nice dodge.
It is not a dodge but the truth.
May the LORD help you appreciate the power of the truth someday, dear
JessHC whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name :-)
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| Title: Re: The many arrows sticking out of Bob Pastorio's heart (soon evenBob's head will bow despite the stiff neck and his knees will bendacknowledging that the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords). |
11 Jan 2006 01:08:17 PM |
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"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
cteasd5941@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bob,
Did you mean for your feelings about Andrew to result in someone, who
may be a little naive of the Internet, to publish their telephone
number?
Hey moron Carol.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength
demonstrated by Carol and other Christians to resist the temptation of
descending into namecalling.
You mean like how you, with no evidence, call people liars?
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart so that I am able to
discern the truth in the hearts of others, it remains my choice to
refrain from namecalling.
So when you accuse people of being liars with no evidence to back up
your assertions, that isn't namecalling, but when people accuse you of
being dishonest and hateful, with evidence to back up their assertions,
that is namecalling?
I have written plainly enough to obviate any need to answer your
untruthful question.
Perhaps you could explain the difference, but I
bet not.
The truth requires no explanation.
And on top of all that, you claim to know what's in another's
heart;
No, the LORD has not given me HIS gift of clairvoyance in addition to
the discerning heart.
that's called LYING, Andy.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
.
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| Title: Re: The many arrows sticking out of Bob Pastorio's heart (soon evenBob's head will bow despite the stiff neck and his knees will bendacknowledging that the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords). |
11 Jan 2006 06:16:21 PM |
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wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
cteasd5941@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bob,
Did you mean for your feelings about Andrew to result in someone, who
may be a little naive of the Internet, to publish their telephone
number?
Hey moron Carol.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength
demonstrated by Carol and other Christians to resist the temptation of
descending into namecalling.
You mean like how you, with no evidence, call people liars?
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart so that I am able to
discern the truth in the hearts of others, it remains my choice to
refrain from namecalling.
So when you accuse people of being liars with no evidence to back up
your assertions, that isn't namecalling, but when people accuse you of
being dishonest and hateful, with evidence to back up their assertions,
that is namecalling?
I have written plainly enough to obviate any need to answer your
untruthful question.
So now you're claiming you HAVEN'T called others liars?
Truth is not a claim.
And yet my
question is somehow "untruthful"?
It is.
That's a neat trick.
Truth is not a trick.
I'd ask you to
explain it, but I can discern your answer.
It is clear that you are unable to discern the truth.
Perhaps you could explain the difference, but I
bet not.
The truth requires no explanation.
Looky there, a lying dodge.
Truth is not a dodge.
And on top of all that, you claim to know what's in another's
heart;
No, the LORD has not given me HIS gift of clairvoyance in addition to
the discerning heart.
"the LORD has given me a discerning heart so that I am able to discern
the truth in the hearts of others"
So which is it?
Both statements are truthful.
that's called LYING, Andy.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Oops, another whopper.
You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision among the seeing.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| Title: The many arrows sticking out of Don Kirkman's heart (soon even Don's head will bow despite the stiff neck and his knees will bend acknowledging that the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords). |
11 Jan 2006 02:32:00 AM |
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Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <1136964052.091372.263070@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart so that I am able to
discern the truth in the hearts of others, it remains my choice to
refrain from namecalling.
Nonethess, this is not about me.
Instead this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):
http://tinyurl.com/cml3p
You failed to discern that most Bible scholars estimate Jesus' birth to
have occurred about 4BC to 6BC
To discern is not the same thing as to notice. You would have known
this had you been able to discern the truth.
, so we're probably in the second decade
of the third millennium.
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
For this you will remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| Title: Re: The many arrows sticking out of Don Kirkman's heart (soon even Don'shead will bow despite the stiff neck and his knees will bendacknowledging that the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords). |
11 Jan 2006 01:08:23 PM |
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"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <1136964052.091372.263070@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart so that I am able to
discern the truth in the hearts of others, it remains my choice to
refrain from namecalling.
Nonethess, this is not about me.
Instead this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):
http://tinyurl.com/cml3p
You failed to discern that most Bible scholars estimate Jesus' birth to
have occurred about 4BC to 6BC
To discern is not the same thing as to notice. You would have known
this had you been able to discern the truth.
Nice dodge
Was not a dodge.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| Title: Re: The many arrows sticking out of Don Kirkman's heart (soon even Don'shead will bow despite the stiff neck and his knees will bendacknowledging that the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords). |
11 Jan 2006 06:16:26 PM |
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wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <1136964052.091372.263070@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart so that I am able to
discern the truth in the hearts of others, it remains my choice to
refrain from namecalling.
Nonethess, this is not about me.
Instead this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):
http://tinyurl.com/cml3p
You failed to discern that most Bible scholars estimate Jesus' birth to
have occurred about 4BC to 6BC
To discern is not the same thing as to notice. You would have known
this had you been able to discern the truth.
Nice dodge
Was not a dodge.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/dodge
Main Entry: 1dodge
Pronunciation: 'däj
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
1 a : an artful device to evade, deceive, or trick
Thank you for showing that writing truthfully is not a dodge.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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11 Jan 2006 04:37:30 AM |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
It takes no scholarship to "discern" that an omer is a tenth of an
ephah. It specifically says that in the bible, word for word. No
discernment necessary. It's the absolute word of God, says Chung. Now he
has decided that God's words aren't true. That the - literally -
thousands of *scholars* who have worked with source materials for
translations are *all wrong* every one - the whole lot is wrong and
Chung is right. Oh, wait. He says above that "most Bible scholars" do
not have discerning hearts. But the ones who do, by his standards, still
say that an omer is a tenth part of an ephah. Logical nonsense from Chung.
*NOT ONE SOURCE* says that an omer is a unit of weight. NOT ONE. The
word "omer" is recognized as meaning "sheaf" or "heap" or "bundle" in
Hebrew. Obviously a dry volumetric measure.
But beyond that, it is an established piece of Judaism and Hebrew what
the relative measures were in ancient times and what they meant. A few
sources:
"The law of grain offerings in Numbers 15:8-9 provides some instruction.
We need to learn a little bit about Israelite measures. The smallest
unit of measure is an omer. Three omers equal one seah. This seah is
what is translated "measure" in Matthew 13:33, except it is in Greek —
saton. There is also the ephah, which is ten omers."
<http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/CGG/ID/3593/Omer-.htm>
"omer (= 1/10 ephah; also called issaron)"
<http://tinyurl.com/dyj6u>
"Omer (an ancient dry measure, and the Hebrew word for "sheaf")"
<http://www.jhhrn.org/sn05-2004.html>
"from '`amar' (6014); properly, a heap, i.e. a sheaf; also an omer, as a
dry measure:--omer, sheaf." Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
<http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/STRHEB60.htm>
"The homer was the standard unit of dry measurement. It was equal to
approximately ten baths, or anywhere between 3.8 and 6.524 bushels. An
ephah is one-tenth of a homer, or about 3/8 to 2/3 of a bushel. An omer
is one-tenth of an ephah.
[...]
"Systems varied from country to country. Therefore, though there was
much similarity, there were a variety of standards and lack of honesty
and judgment came to be associated with measurements in some cases. This
is why the "Talmud contained strict regulations for the business world
concerning honesty of measurements."
<http://www.mustardseed.net/html/tweightmeasure.html>
KJV Ex. 16:22
And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much
bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation
came and told Moses.
Ex 16:32
And Moses said, This is the thing which the LORD commandeth, Fill an
omer of it to be kept for your generations; that they may see the bread
wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth
from the land of Egypt.
Ex 16:33
And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omer full of manna
therein, and lay it up before the LORD, to be kept for your generations.
Ex 16:36
*Now an omer is the tenth part of an ephah.*
And those who assembled the English translation for the King James
version were without "discernment" according to Chung, then the
translators for all these bibles were also "undiscerning" because they
all rendered the words identically but one. And that one still
maintained the facts.
Now an omer is the tenth part of an ephah. (WEB)
Now an omer is the tenth part of an ephah. (ASV)
Now an omer is the tenth part of an ephah. (BBE)
Now an omer is the tenth part of an ephah. (DBY)
Now an omer is the tenth part of an ephah. (KJV)
Now an omer is the tenth part of an ephah. (WBS)
Now an omer is the tenth part of an ephah. (JPS)
and the omer is a tenth of the ephah. (YLT)
Some information about bible translations:
<http://tinyurl.com/79al4>
But Chung's real fixation is to force absurd definitions so he can
assert that an omer is two pounds. He has contorted and distorted his
words to try to make that view seem to endorse his Two Pound Diet which
he now says isn't a diet. He thinks that *saying* that an omer is two
pounds will show that God has endorsed the diet. He asserts that the
625,550 Jews wandering in the desert ate only an omer of manna and all
prospered and were healthy eating what he says is the perfect amount of
food for everybody under all conditions. Of course, no biblical passages
refer to that dietary issue or supports it; he has made it up whole
cloth. And manna, or "bread" in some translations, wasn't all they ate.
They also had, specifically mentioned, quail. And even in the desert,
there are things a gatherer can find to eat.
KJV Ex 16:8
And Moses said, This shall be, when the LORD shall give you in the
evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full;
Ex 16:12
I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them,
saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be
filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God.
Ex 16:16, 17, 18
16This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded, Gather of it every
man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the
number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents.
17And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.
18And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had
nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered
every man according to his eating.
The point was that the whole thing was a miracle. Each one gathered
"some more, some less," not the same amount each. And the fact that
everyone had the correct amount for him meant that it had to have been
miraculous, and therefore not responsible to the gossamer logic of
Chung. Everybody *didn't* consume an omer of manna. It was "every man
according to his eating." Not every man ate the same amount. And they
ate "meat in the evening" in addition to the manna of each morning.
By no logic and by no scholarship, not even by inference, does Chung
have even the most remote factuality behind his assertions on this
subject. He's just dead wrong. Period.
Pastorio
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11 Jan 2006 06:49:03 AM |
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"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
For the NIV, this verse is in parentheses indicating that it was not
part of the original text.
May the LORD give you a discerning heart, someday, dear Bob whom I love,
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
Amen.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
suffers a massive stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq escalates.
U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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11 Jan 2006 01:08:24 PM |
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"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
For the NIV, this verse is in parentheses indicating that it was not
part of the original text.
"Not part of the original text." That's funny, considering how the
bible was cobbled together.
The LORD is the living WORD... the "original text."
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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11 Jan 2006 06:16:16 PM |
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wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
For the NIV, this verse is in parentheses indicating that it was not
part of the original text.
"Not part of the original text." That's funny, considering how the
bible was cobbled together.
The LORD is the living WORD... the "original text."
Interesting.
Infinitely.
So where, exactly, can we find the original "the LORD"
written down, so we can compare that to what we have now?
We can't.
If it's
living, what does it eat and excrete?
The LORD need not do either.
What does it breathe?
The LORD need not breathe.
How does
it reproduce?
The LORD need not reproduce.
How long does it live?
The LORD is forever.
You're really getting twisted up, Andy.
The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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11 Jan 2006 08:36:22 AM |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
For the NIV,
*ONE* translation of the bible out of all the ones I cited, you decide
to use as your entire rationale for rejecting the fact that *every*
English translation has the same verse in it, with all the authority
that conveys...
this verse is in parentheses indicating that it was not
part of the original text.
<LOL> Nice try, Andrew. But somehow that verse got into *every* English
translation from *all* sources used in translating to all languages. Are
you saying that *all* those translators working in 2500 languages
decided to add the same thing to their translations even though it
wasn't part of the original text? Maybe some sort of translational
telepathy...?
Obviously you haven't looked at the history behind the NIV. There was no
single "original text" for any of the translations. They used the
Masoretic text and many others including the Dead Sea Scrolls to arrive
at the best translations in their eyes. Fascinating reading, you ought
to take a look.
And if you look at Hebrew versions of Exodus 16, there it is, big as the
hole in your argument.
<http://tinyurl.com/7hpu4>
Or if you'd like to hear Exodus 16 read in Hebrew from the Masoretic
text from a different source. Fairly easy to follow along with the
reader. Adonai is God, Yisra-el (phonetic - Israel), Moshe - Moses,
Ah-Ron - Aaron... And wait till you hear how clearly the reader
pronounces "omer." You'll love it.
<http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0216.htm>
It's in the Septuagint: <http://tinyurl.com/7hpu4>
The Vulgate has it: "gomor autem decima pars est oephi"
Says that an omer is the tenth part of an ephah. <http://tinyurl.com/7hpu4>
I know you'll be smiling with a heart full of gladness about the final
truth about what an omer is, especially since you like the NIV bible
translation for what you think permits you to weasel out of reality.
Here, on the official NIV website, it says that an omer is a tenth of an
ephah. And it gives a table of weights and measures that I'm sure you'll
want to agree with, given your deep scholarship on the subject.
<http://www.ibs.org/niv/table_measures.php>
Andrew, you have not one source supporting your erroneous position that
an omer is a unit of weight. Not one. In fact, every source that defines
it as any kind of unit says it's a measure of volume; many give
linguistic origins and meanings for the era when the bible was written
with modern equivalents. Not one source supports your assertion.
"I discern it" isn't a valid assertion to inform. Your "discernment" has
been demonstrated to be faulty too many times for any credibility.
Pastorio
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11 Jan 2006 12:32:41 PM |
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"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
For the NIV,
*ONE* translation of the bible out of all the ones I cited, you decide
to use as your entire rationale for rejecting the fact that *every*
English translation has the same verse in it, with all the authority
that conveys...
this verse is in parentheses indicating that it was not
part of the original text.
<LOL>
Your despair will only grow deeper.
Nice try, Andrew. But somehow that verse got into *every* English
translation from *all* sources used in translating to all languages. Are
you saying that *all* those translators working in 2500 languages
decided to add the same thing to their translations even though it
wasn't part of the original text?
No. I have written plainly.
Maybe some sort of translational
telepathy...?
No.
Obviously you haven't looked at the history behind the NIV.
Actually, I have.
There was no
single "original text" for any of the translations.
The LORD is the single "original text" for HE is the living WORD.
They used the
Masoretic text and many others including the Dead Sea Scrolls to arrive
at the best translations in their eyes. Fascinating reading, you ought
to take a look.
Actually, I have.
And if you look at Hebrew versions of Exodus 16, there it is, big as the
hole in your argument.
<http://tinyurl.com/7hpu4>
Thank for the link. Would suggest you use the "compare" feature of the
web site that you cite to line up all the translations of 16:36 to see
that the indeed many translations have recognized the untruthfulness of
16:36 by either adding parentheses just like those in the NIV or dropped
the verse altogether.
The LORD promises woe to those who would either attempt to add to or
propagate unauthorized additions to the Holy Bible.
For this, you remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| Title: Chung edits bible... film at 11... bwah |
11 Jan 2006 07:52:04 PM |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
For the NIV,
*ONE* translation of the bible out of all the ones I cited, you decide
to use as your entire rationale for rejecting the fact that *every*
English translation has the same verse in it, with all the authority
that conveys...
this verse is in parentheses indicating that it was not
part of the original text.
<LOL>
Your despair will only grow deeper.
Nice try, Andrew. But somehow that verse got into *every* English
translation from *all* sources used in translating to all languages. Are
you saying that *all* those translators working in 2500 languages
decided to add the same thing to their translations even though it
wasn't part of the original text?
No. I have written plainly.
No. You haven't, actually. Starting with "text" which is written
material, in the context. This nonsensical sentence, "The LORD is the
single "original text" for HE is the living WORD" destroys your
assertion since no one can translate that sort of "original text." How
does one "translate" the lord? Nonsense.
Maybe some sort of translational
telepathy...?
No.
But no explanation why, since it's in old Hebrew texts, it's included in
all translations. Still another weaseling.
Obviously you haven't looked at the history behind the NIV.
Actually, I have.
There was no
single "original text" for any of the translations.
The LORD is the single "original text" for HE is the living WORD.
<LOL> That's a mocking laugh, Andrew, so there's no mistaking it with
your "discernment."
They used the
Masoretic text and many others including the Dead Sea Scrolls to arrive
at the best translations in their eyes. Fascinating reading, you ought
to take a look.
Actually, I have.
Then if that "original text" from which translations are made, well, I'm
sure you see how you've figuratively painted yourself into a logical and
linguistic corner. All those translators worked from *documents. That's
what "original text" means.
And if you look at Hebrew versions of Exodus 16, there it is, big as the
hole in your argument.
<http://tinyurl.com/7hpu4>
Thank for the link. Would suggest you use the "compare" feature of the
web site that you cite
This is another cuteness of Chung's. So just because Andrew is such a
snugglebunny, I did. Picked the first 5, and then the next 5, and the
next 5, until all were compared. ...
<http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2016:36;&version=49;65;45;51;9;>
<http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2016:36;&version=47;46;50;48;8;>
<http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2016:36;&version=15;16;74;77;53;>
<http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2016:36;&version=73;64;74;77;53;>
They all included the verse. The Hebrew "original text" adds, "An omer
is one tenth of an ephah." In the CEV " omer" is usually translated "two
quarts." Other translations offer different words, but every one has
essentially the same idea derived from "original text" documents.
And the commentary said, "But those who ate manna, hungered again, died
at last, and with many of them God was not well pleased..." So much for
the 625,550 who prospered eating manna.
to line up all the translations of 16:36 to see
that the indeed many translations have recognized the untruthfulness of
16:36 by either adding parentheses just like those in the NIV or dropped
the verse altogether.
So let me see if I understand this. The bible is the absolute word of
God, correct in every thought because he guided its creation and
expression. Thousands of scholars have worked on translating it in the
various versions and *every one of them did it wrong if they included
Exodus 16:36*. People working from many, many documents from Hebrew
sources and even compared with Dead Sea Scrolls which document the later
copies as valid. Chung now says that Exodus 16:36 is "untruthful" and
that must mean that thousands of diligent scholars were all led astray
in the same direction, over centuries and many countries. People who had
little or no contact with each other. Not just the English versions, but
*all* versions include that verse in its stark rebuttal to everything
Chung is trying to foist off with his two pound diet.
Passages in the bible that are "untruthful." Amazing... But, funny
thing, all the translations accessed - *all the translations* - have
that verse.
That's truly funny in a chilling sort of way. Now Andrew is dropping
verses of the bible that disagree with his demented view of it. <LOL>
That's genuinely funny. Chung edits the bible to suit his diet. What
could be funnier? Chung the biblical critic. Bwah...
The LORD promises woe to those who would either attempt to add to or
propagate unauthorized additions to the Holy Bible.
"...unauthorized...?" So now Chung is deciding what's "authorized" in
the bible. <LOL> It gets curiouser and curiouser...
Here's some translator instruction for Chung, even though he claims to
know Chinese and should know about the different kinds of translations.
Look at this page for a moment to see what the intentions of the
different translations were:
<http://www.zondervanbibles.com/translations.htm>
Note that they had different agendas for the different translations. The
NIV that Chung is so fond of for this case is described thusly:
# The NIV is literal where possible and "thought-for-thought" where
necessary to help the reader understand
# The NIV is the best balance between accuracy and readibility
# Reading Level: 7.80
Seventh grade reading level.
The King James, OTOH, is described this way:
# Reference Support Material: High
# Number of Translators: 54
# Translation Philosophy/Format: Word-for-word
# Reading Level: 12.00
Note the "word-for-word" description. Exodus 16:36 is translated
"word-for-word" from "original text" documents. It says, "Now an omer is
the tenth part of an ephah." Period.
Chung is now saying that at least one part of the bible is untruthful,
in direct and absolute contradiction to his earlier positions. It opens
the door to looking at other verses, chapters, even whole books and
saying that they're "untruthful" as well. So now Chung can tailor the
bible even more to suit his febrile dementia than he does now. Not just
ignore passages, but strike them as he will.
Could anyone take this sort of lunacy seriously? This is a new sort of
madness from him. Editing the bible... truly astonishing.
Pastorio
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12 Jan 2006 01:25:34 AM |
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Bob (this one) wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
For the NIV,
*ONE* translation of the bible out of all the ones I cited, you decide
to use as your entire rationale for rejecting the fact that *every*
English translation has the same verse in it, with all the authority
that conveys...
this verse is in parentheses indicating that it was not
part of the original text.
<LOL>
Your despair will only grow deeper.
Nice try, Andrew. But somehow that verse got into *every* English
translation from *all* sources used in translating to all languages. Are
you saying that *all* those translators working in 2500 languages
decided to add the same thing to their translations even though it
wasn't part of the original text?
No. I have written plainly.
No. You haven't, actually. Starting with "text" which is written
material, in the context. This nonsensical sentence, "The LORD is the
single "original text" for HE is the living WORD" destroys your
assertion since no one can translate that sort of "original text." How
does one "translate" the lord? Nonsense.
Those who have chosen to walk with Christ are learning directly from
HIM, Who is the living WORD. The omer is an amount of manna specified
by the LORD. For this reason, the omer is a unit measure that has no
peer so that it most certainly is a weight measure that is not
subordinate to a volume measure such as the ephah as suggested by "(An
omer is one tenth of an ephah)" which as an included verse of Exodus
16:36, stands out as a non sequitur, betraying it as a failed human
addition to the WORD. Those who have discerning hearts will know this.
May the LORD give you a discerning heart, someday, dear Bob whom I
love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the
6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into
the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
suffers a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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12 Jan 2006 08:21:08 AM |
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On 11 Jan 2006 23:25:34 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam11@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
<1137050734.079690.300490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
Bob (this one) wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
For the NIV,
*ONE* translation of the bible out of all the ones I cited, you decide
to use as your entire rationale for rejecting the fact that *every*
English translation has the same verse in it, with all the authority
that conveys...
this verse is in parentheses indicating that it was not
part of the original text.
<LOL>
Your despair will only grow deeper.
Nice try, Andrew. But somehow that verse got into *every* English
translation from *all* sources used in translating to all languages. Are
you saying that *all* those translators working in 2500 languages
decided to add the same thing to their translations even though it
wasn't part of the original text?
No. I have written plainly.
No. You haven't, actually. Starting with "text" which is written
material, in the context. This nonsensical sentence, "The LORD is the
single "original text" for HE is the living WORD" destroys your
assertion since no one can translate that sort of "original text." How
does one "translate" the lord? Nonsense.
Those who have chosen to walk with Christ are learning directly from
HIM, Who is the living WORD. The omer is an amount of manna specified
by the LORD. For this reason, the omer is a unit measure that has no
peer so that it most certainly is a weight measure that is not
subordinate to a volume measure such as the ephah as suggested by "(An
omer is one tenth of an ephah)" which as an included verse of Exodus
16:36, stands out as a non sequitur, betraying it as a failed human
addition to the WORD. Those who have discerning hearts will know this.
You make a mockery of Christianity and Jesus.
[rec.food.cooking and sci.med.cardiology removed because I don't want to
be as rude as Andrew.]
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12 Jan 2006 01:57:52 AM |
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Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <43C4FEBF.6B34098F@heartmdphd.com>:
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of
an ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
For the NIV, this verse is in parentheses indicating that it was not
part of the original text.
And how did you "discern" that "truth"?
The LORD has given me a discerning heart for this purpose.
May the LORD give you a discerning heart, someday, dear Don whom I
love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the
6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into
the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
suffers a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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11 Jan 2006 10:56:20 AM |
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In <42k5h2F1iv0pmU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Bob (this one)" <Bob@nospam.com>
wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Moreover, most Bible scholars, like you, do not have discerning hearts.
If they did, they would have discerned that an omer is NOT a tenth of an
ephah.
It's mentioned in Exodus 16:36 where it specifically says it's the tenth
part of an ephah.
It takes no scholarship to "discern" that an omer is a tenth of an ephah.
It specifically says that in the bible, word for word. No discernment
necessary.
Of course "discernment" is required. I mean, if you define "discernment"
to mean "make it mean whatever I want it to mean."
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Charity hospital closes for good
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F3D51207C
A city on hold
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y3E55207C
If Katrina was a "judgment," god hates poor people
and churches but loves a good party...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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11 Jan 2006 03:38:20 PM |
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On 10 Jan 2006 23:20:52 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
cteasd5941@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bob,
Did you mean for your feelings about Andrew to result in someone, who
may be a little naive of the Internet, to publish their telephone
number?
Hey moron Carol.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength
demonstrated by Carol and other Christians to resist the temptation of
descending into namecalling.
You mean like how you, with no evidence, call people liars?
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart
Funny that it doesn''t work for seeing yourself.
Nonethess, this is not about me.
No, it is precisely about you and the damage you are doing to your own
cause.
jim
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11 Jan 2006 05:53:40 PM |
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ensenadajim wrote:
On 10 Jan 2006 23:20:52 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
cteasd5941@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bob,
Did you mean for your feelings about Andrew to result in someone, who
may be a little naive of the Internet, to publish their telephone
number?
Hey moron Carol.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength
demonstrated by Carol and other Christians to resist the temptation of
descending into namecalling.
You mean like how you, with no evidence, call people liars?
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart
Funny that it doesn''t work for seeing yourself.
It seems you have confused the LORD's gift of a discerning heart with
HIS gift of vision.
Nonethess, this is not about me.
No, it is precisely about you
You have the free will that the LORD has generously given you to believe
what you choose to believe.
and the damage you are doing to your own
cause.
The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write so
that HIS purpose for my informing people is realized. Please consider
yourself so informed. The 4 horsemen are now here to convince everyone
that heeding the information that has been provided is wise.
For this you will remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Jesus'
name.
Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:
http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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12 Jan 2006 03:06:15 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:53:40 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
ensenadajim wrote:
On 10 Jan 2006 23:20:52 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
cteasd5941@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bob,
Did you mean for your feelings about Andrew to result in someone, who
may be a little naive of the Internet, to publish their telephone
number?
Hey moron Carol.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength
demonstrated by Carol and other Christians to resist the temptation of
descending into namecalling.
You mean like how you, with no evidence, call people liars?
Though the LORD has given me a discerning heart
Funny that it doesn''t work for seeing yourself.
It seems you have confused the LORD's gift of a discerning heart with
HIS gift of vision.
I have confused nothing. You haven't a clue.
Nonethess, this is not about me.
No, it is precisely about you
You have the free will that the LORD has generously given you to believe
what you choose to believe.
Truth hurts you a bit doesn't it, like when I started something very
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