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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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08 Nov 2005 04:24:54 AM |
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The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9927522/
Mayor Oscar Goodman suggests that people who spray paint public propery
should have their thumbs removed on television. The clown also wants
children to be whipped.
Is this another Christofascist Republidiot?
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| User: "shadow" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
08 Nov 2005 07:37:48 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11n0a4frpdggo22@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9927522/
Mayor Oscar Goodman suggests that people who spray paint public propery
should have their thumbs removed on television. The clown also wants
children to be whipped.
Is this another Christofascist Republidiot?
he seems to be an idiot. nothing to do with his religious beliefs.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
09 Nov 2005 03:34:21 AM |
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"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11n0a4frpdggo22@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9927522/
Mayor Oscar Goodman suggests that people who spray paint public propery
should have their thumbs removed on television. The clown also wants
children to be whipped. Is this another Christofascist Republidiot?
he seems to be an idiot. nothing to do with his religious beliefs.
Everybody hates spray painters -- but whip children? Is that more
of that "Family Values" I've been reading so much about?
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
09 Nov 2005 04:09:18 PM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11n0a4frpdggo22@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9927522/
Mayor Oscar Goodman suggests that people who spray paint public propery
should have their thumbs removed on television. The clown also wants
children to be whipped. Is this another Christofascist Republidiot?
he seems to be an idiot. nothing to do with his religious beliefs.
Everybody hates spray painters -- but whip children? Is that more
of that "Family Values" I've been reading so much about?
Don't go to Singapore.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
08 Nov 2005 10:24:17 AM |
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"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote:
Mayor Oscar Goodman suggests that people who spray paint public propery
should have their thumbs removed on television. The clown also wants
children to be whipped.
Is this another Christofascist Republidiot?
he seems to be an idiot. nothing to do with his religious beliefs.
There again, I tend to believe society would be better off if corporal
punishment were reintroduced. That's nothing to do with being Christian in
itself. Of course, I wouldn't necessarily want to see children being
whipped - that's disproportionate. Not sure I'd have bits cut off people
for graffiti, either. But then I'm probably insane.
Incidentally, 'republidiot' isn't a very good word. It's a bit, well,
contrived. A bit awkward.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
08 Nov 2005 10:15:54 PM |
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Midjis wrote:
"shadow" <shadow@sun.org> wrote:
Mayor Oscar Goodman suggests that people who spray paint public propery
should have their thumbs removed on television. The clown also wants
children to be whipped.
Is this another Christofascist Republidiot?
he seems to be an idiot. nothing to do with his religious beliefs.
There again, I tend to believe society would be better off if corporal
punishment were reintroduced. That's nothing to do with being Christian in
itself. Of course, I wouldn't necessarily want to see children being
whipped - that's disproportionate. Not sure I'd have bits cut off people
for graffiti, either. But then I'm probably insane.
What do you think of Singapore in this regard?
Incidentally, 'republidiot' isn't a very good word. It's a bit, well,
contrived. A bit awkward.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
08 Nov 2005 10:43:21 PM |
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Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
There again, I tend to believe society would be better off if
corporal punishment were reintroduced. That's nothing to do with
being Christian in itself. Of course, I wouldn't necessarily want to
see children being whipped - that's disproportionate. Not sure I'd
have bits cut off people for graffiti, either. But then I'm probably
insane.
What do you think of Singapore in this regard?
I have to say, in all honesty, and with no disrespect intended, that I
rarely think of Singapore.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
09 Nov 2005 02:57:46 AM |
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Midjis wrote:
Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
There again, I tend to believe society would be better off if
corporal punishment were reintroduced. That's nothing to do with
being Christian in itself. Of course, I wouldn't necessarily want to
see children being whipped - that's disproportionate. Not sure I'd
have bits cut off people for graffiti, either. But then I'm probably
insane.
What do you think of Singapore in this regard?
I have to say, in all honesty, and with no disrespect intended, that I
rarely think of Singapore.
Singapore metes out corporal punishment. A few years ago, an
American was publicly caned (I believe for vandalizing a car.).
Just thought you might have heard of it.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
09 Nov 2005 09:41:56 AM |
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Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
I have to say, in all honesty, and with no disrespect intended, that I
rarely think of Singapore.
Singapore metes out corporal punishment. A few years ago, an
American was publicly caned (I believe for vandalizing a car.).
Just thought you might have heard of it.
I hadn't. But now I have. Tell me: has the American in question shown an
inclination to vandalise any more cars in Singapore?
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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09 Nov 2005 04:08:27 PM |
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Midjis wrote:
Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
I have to say, in all honesty, and with no disrespect intended, that I
rarely think of Singapore.
Singapore metes out corporal punishment. A few years ago, an
American was publicly caned (I believe for vandalizing a car.).
Just thought you might have heard of it.
I hadn't. But now I have. Tell me: has the American in question shown an
inclination to vandalise any more cars in Singapore?
I suspect not :-) But try http://www.corpun.com/sgju9403.htm for more
information.
Also, the caning wasn't public. Oops.
Colin Day
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
09 Nov 2005 11:42:49 PM |
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Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Also, the caning wasn't public. Oops.
My personal jury's out on the humiliation thing. It seems fairly clear
that since one of any animal's most basic instincts is to avoid pain
(except under rather specific circumstances, of course.. :o) ), the mere
inflicting of pain - with proper medical supervision and aftercare,
obviously - should in itself make an effective deterrent in most cases. I
tend to wonder if humiliating someone won't simply make them resent you
even more and therefore increase their will to resist you.
Besides, we're always banging on about being 'humane'. And as far as I can
see corporal punishment is far more humane than a custodial sentence.
After all, which is the more unreasonable way to punish someone for an
offence of, say, theft: a few moments of pain or to be deprived of liberty
for months or years? I know if I were to fall foul of the law I'd consider
the latter by far the more brutal punishment.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
10 Nov 2005 02:13:44 AM |
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Midjis wrote:
Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Also, the caning wasn't public. Oops.
My personal jury's out on the humiliation thing. It seems fairly clear
that since one of any animal's most basic instincts is to avoid pain
(except under rather specific circumstances, of course.. :o) ), the mere
inflicting of pain - with proper medical supervision and aftercare,
obviously - should in itself make an effective deterrent in most cases. I
tend to wonder if humiliating someone won't simply make them resent you
even more and therefore increase their will to resist you.
Besides, we're always banging on about being 'humane'. And as far as I can
see corporal punishment is far more humane than a custodial sentence.
After all, which is the more unreasonable way to punish someone for an
offence of, say, theft: a few moments of pain or to be deprived of liberty
for months or years? I know if I were to fall foul of the law I'd consider
the latter by far the more brutal punishment.
But one could argue that the publicity, while not deterring the convict,
might deter members of the audience.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Midjis" |
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10 Nov 2005 07:41:03 AM |
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Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
But one could argue that the publicity, while not deterring the convict,
might deter members of the audience.
Perhaps so. Perhaps so. But the knowledge that it will happen may well be
enough to do that. And if it isn't enough, well, the sentence doesn't cost
the state much, after all. Without having to worry about overcrowding in
cramped prisons, the state can play silly buggers as long as the criminal
decides he or she wants to.
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| User: "Wunderkind" |
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10 Nov 2005 01:42:51 AM |
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Midjis wrote:
Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Also, the caning wasn't public. Oops.
My personal jury's out on the humiliation thing. It seems fairly clear
that since one of any animal's most basic instincts is to avoid pain
(except under rather specific circumstances, of course.. :o) ), the mere
inflicting of pain - with proper medical supervision and aftercare,
obviously - should in itself make an effective deterrent in most cases. I
tend to wonder if humiliating someone won't simply make them resent you
even more and therefore increase their will to resist you.
Besides, we're always banging on about being 'humane'. And as far as I can
see corporal punishment is far more humane than a custodial sentence.
After all, which is the more unreasonable way to punish someone for an
offence of, say, theft: a few moments of pain or to be deprived of liberty
for months or years? I know if I were to fall foul of the law I'd consider
the latter by far the more brutal punishment.
When I was growing up, my Dad said if I got a spanking at school, I'd
get one at home - makes one take detention instead!
WK
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: The Mayor of Las Vegas fucking insane! |
10 Nov 2005 07:38:43 AM |
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Wunderkind <a@b.com> wrote:
When I was growing up, my Dad said if I got a spanking at school, I'd
get one at home - makes one take detention instead!
I can imagine. Actually that was often the way here, too: the idea of
running to my parents, as kids so often do today, to protect me from a
teacher or (hypothetically!) a police officer would never have occurred to
me. Why would they defend me for doing something wrong? They wanted me to
grow up with a sense of responsibility, after all.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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10 Nov 2005 02:03:16 AM |
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:41:56 +0000 (UTC), Midjis
<midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
I have to say, in all honesty, and with no disrespect intended, that I
rarely think of Singapore.
Singapore metes out corporal punishment. A few years ago, an
American was publicly caned (I believe for vandalizing a car.).
Just thought you might have heard of it.
I hadn't. But now I have. Tell me: has the American in question shown an
inclination to vandalise any more cars in Singapore?
Extend that "logic" to it's end, and it arrives at execution for any
crime whatsoever, as a guaranteed method to stop recidivism.
I wouldn't mind if it only applied to politicians...
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| User: "Midjis" |
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10 Nov 2005 07:44:52 AM |
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Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
Extend that "logic" to it's end, and it arrives at execution for any
crime whatsoever, as a guaranteed method to stop recidivism.
That is a logical conclusion, although I concede it is a little extreme.
I would tend to apply execution (and apply it I would) not primarily as
deterrence, and certainly not as vengeance, but solely as a means of those
judged to be a continuing threat to the safety of others. Specifically, I
would apply the death penalty to four major crimes: murder (including what
is now judged 'manslaughter' in Britain if the death is the result of any
act of deliberate aggression), rape, kidnap and burglary - all of which can
have a devastating, life-changing effect on their victims.
You will be pleased to note I do not intend to run for Prime Minister.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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10 Nov 2005 08:29:41 AM |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:44:52 +0000 (UTC), Midjis
<midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
Extend that "logic" to it's end, and it arrives at execution for any
crime whatsoever, as a guaranteed method to stop recidivism.
That is a logical conclusion, although I concede it is a little extreme.
I would tend to apply execution (and apply it I would) not primarily as
deterrence, and certainly not as vengeance, but solely as a means of those
judged to be a continuing threat to the safety of others. Specifically, I
would apply the death penalty to four major crimes: murder (including what
is now judged 'manslaughter' in Britain if the death is the result of any
act of deliberate aggression), rape, kidnap and burglary - all of which can
have a devastating, life-changing effect on their victims.
You will be pleased to note I do not intend to run for Prime Minister.
Wise move.
You'd need a much more rabidly violent stance to get elected.
And, it seems, you need to be deluded to the point of insanity,
hearing "Gods" inform you to get others to commit genocide for you,
and having a wife who is so loopy that she even believes in tarot, and
the Guardian's stories!
Nope, you have no chance with such a moderate platform...
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| User: "BDK" |
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08 Nov 2005 10:50:37 AM |
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In article <437055bd_1@x-privat.org>, says...
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11n0a4frpdggo22@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9927522/
Mayor Oscar Goodman suggests that people who spray paint public propery
should have their thumbs removed on television. The clown also wants
children to be whipped.
Is this another Christofascist Republidiot?
he seems to be an idiot. nothing to do with his religious beliefs.
Oscar is a very smart guy, a former (and probably future) mob lawyer. He
was probably just frustrated, or exaggerating..
BDK
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:18:55 PM |
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"Vegas mayor: Do graffiti, lose your thumb"
I'd hate to hear what he has planned for urinating in public.....
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:32:18 PM |
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"Desertphile" <desertphile@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1131484735.267666.4030@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
"Vegas mayor: Do graffiti, lose your thumb"
I'd hate to hear what he has planned for urinating in public.....
Or for politicians who lie.
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Terry Austin
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| User: "jcon" |
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08 Nov 2005 02:35:10 PM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9927522/
Mayor Oscar Goodman suggests that people who spray paint public propery
should have their thumbs removed on television. The clown also wants
children to be whipped.
Well I guess grafitti is especially offensive in Las Vegas...
....since it's always had such a reputation for good taste
in decorating.
-jc
Is this another Christofascist Republidiot?
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"Sex is only perverted if it implants voracious alien parasites in your
bladder or rectum." -- nu-monet v8.0
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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08 Nov 2005 04:55:54 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 04:24:54 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9927522/
Mayor Oscar Goodman suggests that people who spray paint public propery
should have their thumbs removed on television. The clown also wants
children to be whipped.
Is this another Christofascist Republidiot?
As the Mayor, he is personally responsible for much of the deliberate
painting of public property, spray or otherwise.
Which bits of him should be cut off?
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