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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Andrew"
Date: 23 Mar 2005 05:18:15 AM
Object: The Myth of Our Culture
"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."
-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist Controversy"
.

User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 06:12:56 AM
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:3accgoF69qav0U1@individual.net...


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the

officially

sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is

supposed

to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the

priesthood...

So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural

authority,

and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that

authority---that's

why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist

Controversy"



Why is Andrew quoting a jackass? It makes him look like one, too.
.
User: "Andrew"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 01:19:01 PM
"Michelle Malkin" wrote in message news:8aadnYvJopB1ldzfRVn-iA@comcast.com...


"Andrew" wrote:


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist Controversy"


Why is Andrew quoting a jackass? It makes him look like one, too.

You prove his point, Michelle.
~ Andrew
.
User: "David Vestal"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 04:59:15 PM
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:3ad8meF67ncrfU1@individual.net:

"Michelle Malkin" wrote in message
news:8aadnYvJopB1ldzfRVn-iA@comcast.com...


"Andrew" wrote:


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the
officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is
supposed to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary
scientists as the priesthood... So we have the priesthood of
naturalism, which has great cultural authority, and of course
has to protect its mystery that gives it that
authority---that's why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS
documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist
Controversy"


Why is Andrew quoting a jackass? It makes him look like one, too.



You prove his point, Michelle.

~ Andrew

Calling Phillip Johnson a jackass proves evolution false?
.
User: "James"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 06:31:30 PM
David Vestal wrote:

"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:3ad8meF67ncrfU1@individual.net:


"Michelle Malkin" wrote in message
news:8aadnYvJopB1ldzfRVn-iA@comcast.com...

"Andrew" wrote:

"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the
officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is
supposed to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary
scientists as the priesthood... So we have the priesthood of
naturalism, which has great cultural authority, and of course
has to protect its mystery that gives it that
authority---that's why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS
documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist
Controversy"



Why is Andrew quoting a jackass? It makes him look like one, too.



You prove his point, Michelle.

~ Andrew



Calling Phillip Johnson a jackass proves evolution false?

They should've recruited Phillip many years ago.
.


User: "Masked Avenger"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 24 Mar 2005 11:30:34 AM
Andrew wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" wrote in message news:8aadnYvJopB1ldzfRVn-iA@comcast.com...

"Andrew" wrote:

"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist Controversy"



Why is Andrew quoting a jackass? It makes him look like one, too.




You prove his point, Michelle.

~ Andrew

err no .... Johnson has absolutely no credentials that make him
qualified to talk with any authority on Evolution ..... and he is a
rabid Christian ..... oh and did I mention he's a jackass ......
so.... your support for his stupid statement makes you look stupid....
now do you get it ?
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
.

User: "Dubh Ghall"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 24 Mar 2005 09:20:17 PM
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:19:01 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" wrote in message news:8aadnYvJopB1ldzfRVn-iA@comcast.com...


"Andrew" wrote:


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist Controversy"


Why is Andrew quoting a jackass? It makes him look like one, too.



You prove his point, Michelle.

I don't see where you get that idea. Taking the ***** out of the village idiot,
is a ancient tradition, probably as old as humanity.
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 25 Mar 2005 12:20:53 AM
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:rhb6415kr50790rgr2820o5olve5evl56p@4ax.com...

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:19:01 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>

wrote:


"Michelle Malkin" wrote in message

news:8aadnYvJopB1ldzfRVn-iA@comcast.com...


"Andrew" wrote:


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the

officially

sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is

supposed

to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as

the priesthood...

So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural

authority,

and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that

authority---that's

why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS

documentary

"In the Beginning: The Creationist

Controversy"



Why is Andrew quoting a jackass? It makes him look like one, too.



You prove his point, Michelle.

I don't see where you get that idea. Taking the ***** out of the village

idiot,

is a ancient tradition, probably as old as humanity.


I'll bet he doesn't leave a nice bowl of milk on his front steps at night,
either.
.




User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 05:27:52 AM
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:3accgoF69qav0U1@individual.net...


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the
officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is
supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the
priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural
authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that
authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."

That must be a new definition of vicious that I'm not aware of.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
.
User: "Dale"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 06:58:14 AM
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:ldKdnU3ew8dSY93fRVn-vw@io.com...


"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:3accgoF69qav0U1@individual.net...


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the
officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is
supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the
priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural
authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that
authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."


That must be a new definition of vicious that I'm not aware of.

Maybe it has something to do them with getting all the stuffing at one end.
.

User: "Secular Fundamentalist"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 09:22:45 AM
Denis Loubet wrote:

"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:3accgoF69qav0U1@individual.net...

"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the
officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is
supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the
priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural
authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that
authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."



That must be a new definition of vicious that I'm not aware of.


It is obviously vicious to tell someone who is deluded the truth.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
.

User: "Tukla Ratte"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 08:14:16 PM
On Tuesday 22 March 2005 11:27 pm, Denis Loubet wrote:


"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:3accgoF69qav0U1@individual.net...

< snip >

So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural
authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that
authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."


That must be a new definition of vicious that I'm not aware of.

These are people who think that supporting universal healthcare makes
you a Communist. They don't know what words really mean.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
a.a. #1347, Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
.


User: "Secular Fundamentalist"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 09:21:15 AM
Andrew wrote:

"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist Controversy"


People who construct alternative realities to the real one in order to
sustain their belief systems are underlining the absolute lack of
credibility for those beliefs.
That's all that really needs to be said about creationism and its need
to establish a mystical counter-reality.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
.

User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 01:02:58 PM
In alt.atheism on Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:18:15 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
Phil Johnson conflates metaphor for reality, and projects that
since he believes in a myth, everyone else must as well.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.

User: "Frank J Warner"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 12:43:52 PM
In article <3accgoF69qav0U1@individual.net>, Andrew
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:

"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the
priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural
authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that
authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist Controversy"

When all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
-Frank
--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com
.

User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 12:37:11 PM
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:18:15 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture.

Saying it is so makes it so?

It's the officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist Controversy"

By comparing science with religion he equates religion with science
and then mocks it. Sounds like an own goal to me :-)


--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.

User: "LP"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 11:48:03 AM
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:18:15 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist Controversy"

A theory that is profoundly unique to all other previous
speculations on our origins. A theory based on literally millions of
independent pieces of supporting evidence. A theory that currently is
overwhelmingly supported by the most intelligent and most highly
educated men and women in the history of humankind. A theory that
makes correct predictions about life on earth in a way that leaves any
intelligent, educated person awe struck. A theory that is so
overwhelmingly complete that it is a severe slap in the face to those
who cling to the primitive and puerile magical fairyland view that we
were conjured into existence by an utterly imperceptible magic king.

.
User: "Andrew"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 01:14:40 PM
"LP" wrote in message news:4gj241tqbu9p7neabd2fggnvdkkpddd0ac@4ax.com...

"Andrew" wrote:


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the officially
sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed
to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the priesthood...
So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural authority,
and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that authority---that's
why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS documentary
"In the Beginning: The Creationist Controversy"



A theory that is profoundly unique to all other previous
speculations on our origins. A theory based on literally millions of
independent pieces of supporting evidence.

No, the evidence rather exposes your theory as a hoax.

A theory that currently is
overwhelmingly supported by the most intelligent and most highly
educated men and women in the history of humankind.

Although intelligent and educated, they lack wisdom to embrace a myth
which is unworkable through proven genetic and biologic processes.

A theory that
makes correct predictions about life on earth in a way that leaves any
intelligent, educated person awe struck.

But that part of the theory is not what is debated.

A theory that is so
overwhelmingly complete that it is a severe slap in the face to those
who cling to the primitive and puerile magical fairyland view that we
were conjured into existence by an utterly imperceptible magic king.

You may believe it is overwhelmingly complete, yet it is the creation myth
of our culture. It is in fact a false religion complete with a priesthood and
a gullible laity.







Andrew
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 03:41:26 PM
Andrew wrote:

"LP" wrote in message

news:4gj241tqbu9p7neabd2fggnvdkkpddd0ac@4ax.com...

"Andrew" wrote:


"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's

the officially

sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public

is supposed

to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as

the priesthood...

So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great

cultural authority,

and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that

authority---that's

why they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS

documentary

"In the Beginning: The Creationist

Controversy"




A theory that is profoundly unique to all other previous
speculations on our origins. A theory based on literally millions

of

independent pieces of supporting evidence.


No, the evidence rather exposes your theory as a hoax.

A theory that currently is
overwhelmingly supported by the most intelligent and most highly
educated men and women in the history of humankind.


Although intelligent and educated, they lack wisdom to embrace a myth
which is unworkable through proven genetic and biologic processes.

Could you highlight the flaws in current theories of evolution
that lead you to believe that these theories are unworkable?
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
.
User: "Andrew"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 07:58:44 PM
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1111592486.636425.48710@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...


Could you highlight the flaws in current theories of evolution
that lead you to believe that these theories are unworkable?

Walt Smith

1. Unobserved
2. Unrepeatable
3. Unfeasible
4. Infeasible
5. Unreasonable
6. Unscientific
& 7. Impossible
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 08:48:10 PM
Andrew wrote:

<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1111592486.636425.48710@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...


Could you highlight the flaws in current theories of evolution
that lead you to believe that these theories are unworkable?

Walt Smith



1. Unobserved

Pepper moths.
Bacteria becoming immune to antibiotics.
Mosquitos becoming resistant to DDT.
Yeast in lab developing lactase.
Breeding farm animals.


2. Unrepeatable

I'm sorry; you can't look at a fossil?
Reapeatability just means that the observation of facts are repeatable.
No one expects a volcano or nova or earthquake to be reapeatable on
demand. But the data must be observable by numerous people; the
measurements and footprints and such must be seeable by all, or there
is the danger of misunderstanding or fraud or illusions.
The *data is there for all to see.
Like history.
Like astronomy.
Like geology.
The *events are not repeatable; the observations are.
Miracles, OTOH, are not repeatable. Perhaps they happen <shrug>.


3. Unfeasible

In what way? Are not genetic traits inheritable? Are there not
mutations? Are there not differential rates of repreoductive success?
What, exactly, is unfeasible, and why?


4. Infeasible

# adjective: not capable of being carried out or put into practice
? could you be more specific?


5. Unreasonable

You have to actually read a book or two. They needn't be long, but
Chick comics, I'm afraid, won't do.


6. Unscientific

Evolutionary mainstream theory fits the data. It has made successful
predictions. It is falsifiable, but not yet falsified. A convergence of
data from numerous scientific fields makes it the best-supported theory
we have, in any area of human investigation.
This is in contrast to Creationism (by any name), which fits the data,
but also fits and *conceivable data. To the degree to which it is
falsifiable it has been falsified, and the degree to which it is not,
it is not science. It also has made no successful predictions. Ergo,
Creationism (while philosophically possible), is not science.


& 7. Impossible

?
Please explain in what way common descent, modified through natural
selection, sexual selection, genetic drift, and possible other
mechanisms is impossible. Offer either data or a reasoned defense for
this assertion.
Please note that the data supporting evolutionary science includes, but
is not limited to:
the twin nested hiearchies of morphology and genetics,
the geological strata: the ordering of the fossils;
the lack of any structure which is not explanable as a modified
precursor,
animal behavior,
and
history and cultural anthropology.
I note that single word adjectives are rather weak arguments. Do you
have any actual sentences? Data would be truly impressive, but I'm not
expecting miracles here ;)
Kermit
.
User: "Tukla Ratte"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 24 Mar 2005 05:53:38 PM
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 02:48 pm,

wrote:
< snip >

Please note that the data supporting evolutionary science includes,
but is not limited to:
the twin nested hiearchies of morphology and genetics,

<puzzled> What does "twin nested hierarchies" mean?
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
a.a. #1347, Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
.


User: ""

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 24 Mar 2005 02:08:17 PM
Andrew wrote:

<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1111592486.636425.48710@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...


Could you highlight the flaws in current theories of evolution
that lead you to believe that these theories are unworkable?



1. Unobserved

2. Unrepeatable

3. Unfeasible

4. Infeasible

5. Unreasonable

6. Unscientific

& 7. Impossible

Could you elaborate? Could you specify what evidence
you've seen presented for and against the currently
accepted theory of evolution that leads you to present
your seven adjectives?
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
.

User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 10:25:56 PM
Andrew wrote:

<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111592486.636425.48710@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...


Could you highlight the flaws in current theories of evolution
that lead you to believe that these theories are unworkable?

Walt Smith



1. Unobserved

2. Unrepeatable

3. Unfeasible

4. Infeasible

5. Unreasonable

6. Unscientific

& 7. Impossible

Out of a possible score of 100% you obrttained a score of 0%
Let's just go with answer number six and seven.
ALL of science says evolution is a theory.
Almost all of science benefits from the application of this theory.
What is a theory? You will have to explain this before we can move on.
There's no point asking you to run if you can't walk.
Since I've never heard a non theist say it is impossible, please tell me why
you think your god or gods could not have implimented evolution exactly as
the theory states?
.

User: "Tukla Ratte"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 24 Mar 2005 05:48:38 PM
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 01:58 pm, Andrew wrote:

<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111592486.636425.48710@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...


Could you highlight the flaws in current theories of evolution
that lead you to believe that these theories are unworkable?

Walt Smith



1. Unobserved
2. Unrepeatable
3. Unfeasible
4. Infeasible
5. Unreasonable
6. Unscientific
& 7. Impossible

Yeah, we didn't figure you could name any.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
a.a. #1347, Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
.



User: "Tukla Ratte"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 08:01:46 PM
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:14 am, Andrew wrote:

"LP" wrote in message
news:4gj241tqbu9p7neabd2fggnvdkkpddd0ac@4ax.com...

< snip >

A theory that is profoundly unique to all other previous
speculations on our origins. A theory based on literally millions of
independent pieces of supporting evidence.


No, the evidence rather exposes your theory as a hoax.

Evidence like...?

A theory that currently is
overwhelmingly supported by the most intelligent and most highly
educated men and women in the history of humankind.


Although intelligent and educated, they lack wisdom to embrace a myth
which is unworkable through proven genetic and biologic processes.

And those processes are...?

A theory that
makes correct predictions about life on earth in a way that leaves
any intelligent, educated person awe struck.


But that part of the theory is not what is debated.

Making testable predictions is a *vital* piece of *any* scientific
theory. How can you debate a theory without discussing its
predictions?

A theory that is so
overwhelmingly complete that it is a severe slap in the face to those
who cling to the primitive and puerile magical fairyland view that we
were conjured into existence by an utterly imperceptible magic king.


You may believe it is overwhelmingly complete, yet it is the creation
myth
of our culture. It is in fact a false religion complete with a
priesthood and a gullible laity.

So all of medicine -- all of *biology* -- is a myth. What's next?
Chemistry?
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
a.a. #1347, Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
.



User: "Tukla Ratte"

Title: Re: The Myth of Our Culture 23 Mar 2005 08:10:04 PM
On Tuesday 22 March 2005 11:18 pm, Andrew wrote:
< snip >

that's why
they're so vicious towards critics."

-- Phillip Johnson, On the PBS

No, they're "vicious" (I wish!) against pathological liars like Phillip
Johnson who are only concerned about politics, not science.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
a.a. #1347, Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
.


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