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"Mr. Thorne" |
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06 Mar 2004 11:51:28 AM |
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The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural. It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 02:04:22 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:BC6F4F69.14558%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com:
Subject: The Myth of the Infant Atheist
I realize you're priding yourself on being a "Thorne" in our side...but
you're nothing but a little *****.
Good day, sir.
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Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"You should realize Usenet is a strange reality where you see people
beating up a patch of grass where nine years ago there used to be a
horse. " 01 July 2003, talk.origins
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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06 Mar 2004 01:14:28 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC6F4F69.14558%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com...
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the
gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
hahaha - that's some funny ***** right there!
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 06:40:22 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<BC6F4F69.14558%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>...
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural. It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
So you agree that belief in God is belief in the supernatural and is a
primitive belief associated with a part of the primitive brain (that
is, a part that developed before our large, thinking part developed)?
I agree. Now tell me, how can someone know all that you wrote there
and *still believe in that god nonsense?
jwk
BAAWA
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| User: "Mr. Thorne" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 06:46:04 PM |
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in article c6f5ba32.0403061640.7e1bf94f@posting.google.com, jwk at
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com wrote on 06 03 2004 16:40:
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<BC6F4F69.14558%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>...
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural. It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
So you agree that belief in God is belief in the supernatural and is a
primitive belief associated with a part of the primitive brain (that
is, a part that developed before our large, thinking part developed)?
I agree. Now tell me, how can someone know all that you wrote there
and *still believe in that god nonsense?
I dunno. Interesting are polls that consistently show that most scientists
don't believe in the gods. Also, I have to imagine that most folks have
never learned about the limbic system, what it is or what it does. Also of
interest is that most Yanks (despite their education) believe that English
is the official language of the U.S.
I guess people tend to believe what they want to believe. Some people
believe the gods exist, and they dismiss all evidence to the contrary. Some
people believe the gods don't exist, and they dismiss all the evidence to
the contrary.
People are interesting.
jwk
BAAWA
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| User: "sAnToLiNa" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 09:53:47 PM |
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Mr. Thorne <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC6FB094.147DB%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com...
in article c6f5ba32.0403061640.7e1bf94f@posting.google.com, jwk at
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com wrote on 06 03 2004 16:40:
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<BC6F4F69.14558%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>...
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that
infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the
gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural.
It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
So you agree that belief in God is belief in the supernatural and is a
primitive belief associated with a part of the primitive brain (that
is, a part that developed before our large, thinking part developed)?
I agree. Now tell me, how can someone know all that you wrote there
and *still believe in that god nonsense?
I dunno. Interesting are polls that consistently show that most scientists
don't believe in the gods. Also, I have to imagine that most folks have
never learned about the limbic system, what it is or what it does. Also of
interest is that most Yanks (despite their education) believe that English
is the official language of the U.S.
I guess people tend to believe what they want to believe. Some people
believe the gods exist, and they dismiss all evidence to the contrary.
Some
people believe the gods don't exist, and they dismiss all the evidence to
the contrary.
People are interesting.
Yes, people are interesting. However, observing that people tend to believe
what they are taught, or that they tend to think habitually, is trivially
true and uninteresting.
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| User: "Billy Goat" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 11:31:03 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<BC6F4F69.14558%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>...
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Well they're certainly not Mormons.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
Of course liberals believe in the death penalty. They've even seen it
happen! That's why they want it stopped.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural. It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
Which means that belief in the supernatural is primitive, yes? So
let's stop.
--Billy
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 10:02:19 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural....
....absolutely and if a child is left to make up it's own mind it may well
[unless it is an atheist] dream up it's own god.
this god will be unlike any other god that exists.
All gods are dramed up, as you say
It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 05:39:06 PM |
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I think several of the more intelligent animals have an ability to behave
superstitiously -- if one wants to equate that with theism. A belief
system obviously has to be learned unless one wants to make the
preposterous claim that christianity is embedded into "genetic memory".
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| User: "W.Syme" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 05:51:07 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 17:39:06 -0600, SMChristenson <smchris@visi.com>
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I think several of the more intelligent animals have an ability to behave
superstitiously -- if one wants to equate that with theism. A belief
system obviously has to be learned unless one wants to make the
preposterous claim that christianity is embedded into "genetic memory".
Then again, it wouldn't NEED to be embedded into "genetic memory"
(whatever the hell that is), since God could make you believe if he
wanted to.
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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06 Mar 2004 07:20:14 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 23:51:07 +0000, W.Syme wrote:
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 17:39:06 -0600, SMChristenson <smchris@visi.com>
wrote:
I think several of the more intelligent animals have an ability to behave
superstitiously -- if one wants to equate that with theism. A belief
system obviously has to be learned unless one wants to make the
preposterous claim that christianity is embedded into "genetic memory".
Then again, it wouldn't NEED to be embedded into "genetic memory"
(whatever the hell that is), since God could make you believe if he
wanted to.
Sure, we're all in The Matrix, Dude.
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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07 Mar 2004 06:35:48 AM |
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And it came to pass that SMChristenson <smchris@visi.com> did write in
alt.atheism, news:pan.2004.03.07.01.20.09.693915@visi.com:
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 23:51:07 +0000, W.Syme wrote:
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 17:39:06 -0600, SMChristenson <smchris@visi.com>
wrote:
I think several of the more intelligent animals have an ability to
behave superstitiously -- if one wants to equate that with theism. A
belief system obviously has to be learned unless one wants to make
the preposterous claim that christianity is embedded into "genetic
memory".
Then again, it wouldn't NEED to be embedded into "genetic memory"
(whatever the hell that is), since God could make you believe if he
wanted to.
Sure, we're all in The Matrix, Dude.
Not me. I'm a brain in a vat, and you're all figments of my imagination!
:-)
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Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 04:42:57 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sat, 06 Mar 2004 17:51:28 GMT, "Mr. Thorne"
<lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
There are idiots like you who are fond of promoting the unfounded
idea that infants are inherently theists.
Y'see, there's only atheism and theism. Theism is learned. You
must be taught that there is a god.
Ergo, infants are atheists. They do not have the belief in the
existence of a god or gods.
QED.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "bob young" |
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06 Mar 2004 10:17:04 PM |
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Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism on Sat, 06 Mar 2004 17:51:28 GMT, "Mr. Thorne"
<lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
There are idiots like you who are fond of promoting the unfounded
idea that infants are inherently theists.
Y'see, there's only atheism and theism. Theism is learned. You
must be taught that there is a god.
Ergo, infants are atheists. They do not have the belief in the
existence of a god or gods.
QED.
Put twenty young kids on a lush tropical island with plenty of food, come back
in ten years, r u saying they will all be Christians!
No doubt some god or other will have been imagined, but it will unlike any other
that is recorded today.
There will be a goodly proportion of atheists as well, to keep the warring
factions apart!
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Matt Silberstein matts2nopam@ix netcom.nospamcom" |
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06 Mar 2004 03:10:07 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian I read this message from "Mr. Thorne"
<lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
Liberal does not simply mean not believe in the death penalty. In
fact, that is two different meanings of the word belief. I don't
"believe" in the death penalty. That does not mean I don't think
it exists, it means that I do think that the government should
not kill people in that manner. My belief or lack of belief in
God is an entirely different meaning of the term belief.
[snip]
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Matt Silberstein
Donate to the C.A.N.D.L.E.S. Museum, burnt down by arsonists who wrote
"Remember Timothy McVeigh" on the wall.
C.A.N.D.L.E.S. stands for Children of Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Lab Experiments
Survivors.
www.candles-museum.com
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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07 Mar 2004 05:17:30 AM |
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In article <BC6F4F69.14558%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>,
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural.
So one would have expected me, a child of atheists who didn't grow from
infancy having religion passed to me along with my formula, to have
developed a religous belief on my own, right?
Guess what? I didn't. I had no use for any god until I was 15 and wanted
to spend time with a religious girl I fancied. You'll find this is the
case for an awful lot of children like me. So much for these "studies."
Idiot.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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07 Mar 2004 08:32:46 AM |
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 11:17:30 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>
wrote:
In article <BC6F4F69.14558%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>,
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural.
So one would have expected me, a child of atheists who didn't grow from
infancy having religion passed to me along with my formula, to have
developed a religous belief on my own, right?
Exactly. Several of us have made that point.
Guess what? I didn't. I had no use for any god until I was 15 and wanted
to spend time with a religious girl I fancied. You'll find this is the
case for an awful lot of children like me. So much for these "studies."
He'll ignore it because it refutes him.
Idiot.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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06 Mar 2004 12:07:32 PM |
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Mr. Thorne wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
Right you are.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
No. Liberals have beliefs that define them. Atheists as a group do not
have beliefs that define them, thay lack the belief that defines
theists. Atheists certainly do have beliefs, but not the same set of
beliefs, not a set of beliefs that define them.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural. It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
Utter crap.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the cover.
--
Enkidu
AA# 2165
"Here we are, we're alone in the universe, there's no God,
it just seems that it all began by something as simple
as sunlight striking on a piece of rock. And here we are.
We've only got ourselves. Somehow, we've just got to make
a go of it. We've only ourselves."
--John Osborne
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06 Mar 2004 03:20:23 PM |
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Mr. Thorne wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that
infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
Right you are.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the
gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
No. Liberals have beliefs that define them. Atheists as a group do not
have beliefs that define them, thay lack the belief that defines
theists. Atheists certainly do have beliefs, but not the same set of
beliefs, not a set of beliefs that define them.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural.
It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
Utter crap.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
Deranged and blatantly unscientific crap ......... aka the usual thorne post
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06 Mar 2004 12:46:56 PM |
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in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Mr. Thorne wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
Right you are.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
No. Liberals have beliefs that define them. Atheists as a group do not
have beliefs that define them, thay lack the belief that defines
theists. Atheists certainly do have beliefs, but not the same set of
beliefs, not a set of beliefs that define them.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural. It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
Utter crap.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your beliefs.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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06 Mar 2004 02:49:42 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:BC6F5C6A.14674%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com:
in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
enkidu@leaddogs.org wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the
cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your
beliefs.
Evidence?! Dude, if prosecutors built their cases using your standard of
evidence, they would have charged Ted Bundy with shoplifting.
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"You should realize Usenet is a strange reality where you see people
beating up a patch of grass where nine years ago there used to be a
horse. " 01 July 2003, talk.origins
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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06 Mar 2004 07:03:34 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC6F5C6A.14674%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com...
in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Mr. Thorne wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that
infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
Right you are.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the
gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
No. Liberals have beliefs that define them. Atheists as a group do not
have beliefs that define them, thay lack the belief that defines
theists. Atheists certainly do have beliefs, but not the same set of
beliefs, not a set of beliefs that define them.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural.
It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
Utter crap.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the
cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your
beliefs.
pot. kettle. black.
prove there is such a thing as a 'soul'. what does it do, what's it made of,
what are its properties, how do we test that it's there?
come on, show me that I have one and I'll let you save it
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| User: "Mr. Thorne" |
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06 Mar 2004 07:36:40 PM |
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in article Gxu2c.90772$Wa.28333@news-server.bigpond.net.au, the cutest
atheist at wrote on 06 03 2004 17:03:
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC6F5C6A.14674%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com...
in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Mr. Thorne wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that
infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
Right you are.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the
gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
No. Liberals have beliefs that define them. Atheists as a group do not
have beliefs that define them, thay lack the belief that defines
theists. Atheists certainly do have beliefs, but not the same set of
beliefs, not a set of beliefs that define them.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural.
It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
Utter crap.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the
cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your
beliefs.
pot. kettle. black.
prove there is such a thing as a 'soul'. what does it do, what's it made of,
what are its properties, how do we test that it's there?
come on, show me that I have one and I'll let you save it
Have I ever said you had a soul? Have I ever said there is such a thing?
Should I ask you to prove things that you have not advocated?
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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06 Mar 2004 07:45:46 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC6FBC71.14807%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com...
in article Gxu2c.90772$Wa.28333@news-server.bigpond.net.au, the cutest
atheist at wrote on 06 03 2004 17:03:
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Mr. Thorne wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that
infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
Right you are.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in
the
gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the
death
penalty.
No. Liberals have beliefs that define them. Atheists as a group do
not
have beliefs that define them, thay lack the belief that defines
theists. Atheists certainly do have beliefs, but not the same set of
beliefs, not a set of beliefs that define them.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the
supernatural.
It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as
the
limbic system.
Utter crap.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for
claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the
cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your
beliefs.
pot. kettle. black.
prove there is such a thing as a 'soul'. what does it do, what's it made
of,
what are its properties, how do we test that it's there?
come on, show me that I have one and I'll let you save it
Have I ever said you had a soul? Have I ever said there is such a thing?
it's in your book title, fool
Should I ask you to prove things that you have not advocated?
if I write a book about something, and claim it's <choke> science, then
fucking yes, you have to ask me to fucking prove it. your book presupposes
the existence of god and a soul. it tries to prove the link is the limbic
system. riiiiight.
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 08:04:22 PM |
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in article e9v2c.90823$Wa.39430@news-server.bigpond.net.au, the cutest
atheist at wrote on 06 03 2004 17:45:
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC6FBC71.14807%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com...
in article Gxu2c.90772$Wa.28333@news-server.bigpond.net.au, the cutest
atheist at wrote on 06 03 2004 17:03:
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC6F5C6A.14674%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com...
in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Mr. Thorne wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that
infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
Right you are.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in
the
gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the
death
penalty.
No. Liberals have beliefs that define them. Atheists as a group do
not
have beliefs that define them, thay lack the belief that defines
theists. Atheists certainly do have beliefs, but not the same set of
beliefs, not a set of beliefs that define them.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the
supernatural.
It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as
the
limbic system.
Utter crap.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for
claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the
cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your
beliefs.
pot. kettle. black.
prove there is such a thing as a 'soul'. what does it do, what's it made
of,
what are its properties, how do we test that it's there?
come on, show me that I have one and I'll let you save it
Have I ever said you had a soul? Have I ever said there is such a thing?
it's in your book title, fool
Should I ask you to prove things that you have not advocated?
if I write a book about something, and claim it's <choke> science, then
fucking yes, you have to ask me to fucking prove it. your book presupposes
the existence of god and a soul. it tries to prove the link is the limbic
system. riiiiight.
It's not my book. It's a book. It makes the argument that belief is
intrinsic to humans. I haven't read the book, so I wouldn't know whether it
also argues that gods and souls exist.
There are many other books and papers that discuss belief and what gives
rise to it. Don't get stuck on just one book. Be open-minded. That's how to
learn.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 08:17:26 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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in article e9v2c.90823$Wa.39430@news-server.bigpond.net.au, the cutest
atheist at wrote on 06 03 2004 17:45:
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC6FBC71.14807%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com...
in article Gxu2c.90772$Wa.28333@news-server.bigpond.net.au, the cutest
atheist at wrote on 06 03 2004 17:03:
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:BC6F5C6A.14674%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com...
in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
enkidu@leaddogs.org
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Mr. Thorne wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea
that
infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the
gods.
Right you are.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in
the
gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the
death
penalty.
No. Liberals have beliefs that define them. Atheists as a group do
not
have beliefs that define them, thay lack the belief that defines
theists. Atheists certainly do have beliefs, but not the same set
of
beliefs, not a set of beliefs that define them.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the
supernatural.
It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as
the
limbic system.
Utter crap.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for
claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of
the
cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your
beliefs.
pot. kettle. black.
prove there is such a thing as a 'soul'. what does it do, what's it
made
of,
what are its properties, how do we test that it's there?
come on, show me that I have one and I'll let you save it
Have I ever said you had a soul? Have I ever said there is such a
thing?
it's in your book title, fool
Should I ask you to prove things that you have not advocated?
if I write a book about something, and claim it's <choke> science, then
fucking yes, you have to ask me to fucking prove it. your book
presupposes
the existence of god and a soul. it tries to prove the link is the
limbic
system. riiiiight.
It's not my book. It's a book. It makes the argument that belief is
intrinsic to humans. I haven't read the book, so I wouldn't know whether
it
also argues that gods and souls exist.
so why did you accuse us of rejecting scientific evidence if you haven't
even read the book?
There are many other books and papers that discuss belief and what gives
rise to it.
it's called 'the transmitter to god'. it doesn't discuss things rationally,
and that is obvious. it says what gives rise to belief in a thing is the
existence of the thing. that's not science
Don't get stuck on just one book. Be open-minded. That's how to
learn.
I don't think I need instructions from you on how to learn <smirk>
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| User: "Mark Nutter" |
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| Title: Re: The Myth of the Infant Atheist |
06 Mar 2004 04:51:44 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<BC6F5C6A.14674%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>...
in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your beliefs.
Oo, blackmail. What a persuasive marketing technique. "Buy my book,
or I'll consider you closed-minded." Gosh, where *is* my credit card?
m
aa#2115
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| User: "Mr. Thorne" |
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06 Mar 2004 06:06:34 PM |
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in article fddfde37.0403061451.1c2102aa@posting.google.com, Mark Nutter at
manutter51@yahoo.com wrote on 06 03 2004 14:51:
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<BC6F5C6A.14674%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>...
in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your beliefs.
Oo, blackmail. What a persuasive marketing technique. "Buy my book,
or I'll consider you closed-minded." Gosh, where *is* my credit card?
Do they not have libraries where you live?
m
aa#2115
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| User: "Mark Nutter" |
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07 Mar 2004 09:30:34 AM |
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"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<BC6FA754.147A6%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>...
in article fddfde37.0403061451.1c2102aa@posting.google.com, Mark Nutter at
manutter51@yahoo.com wrote on 06 03 2004 14:51:
"Mr. Thorne" <lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<BC6F5C6A.14674%lyricalreckoner@yahoo.com>...
in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your beliefs.
Oo, blackmail. What a persuasive marketing technique. "Buy my book,
or I'll consider you closed-minded." Gosh, where *is* my credit card?
Do they not have libraries where you live?
Yes they do. Would you like to donate a free copy of your book? I'm
sure they'll be pleased to accept it.
m
aa#2115
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| User: "bob young" |
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06 Mar 2004 10:07:12 PM |
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"Mr. Thorne" wrote:
in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Mr. Thorne wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
Right you are.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the death
penalty.
No. Liberals have beliefs that define them. Atheists as a group do not
have beliefs that define them, thay lack the belief that defines
theists. Atheists certainly do have beliefs, but not the same set of
beliefs, not a set of beliefs that define them.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the supernatural. It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as the
limbic system.
Utter crap.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your beliefs.
'Evidence' has been talked about on this NG for years. Evidence of gods has been
argued about for three thousand years.
Man still awaits his 'evidence' to 'prove' his primitive beliefs, rather than
turning to sanity and humanism.
Bob
A brit. in hong kong
"Each nation has created a god, and the god has always resembled his creators. He
hated and loved what they hated and loved, and he was invariably found on the side
of those in power. Each god was intensely patriotic, and detested
all nations but his own. All these gods demanded praise, flattery, and worship.
Most of them were pleased with sacrifice, and the smell of innocent blood has ever
been considered a divine perfume. All these gods have insisted
upon having a vast number of priests, and the priests have always insisted upon
being supported by the people, and the principal business of these priests has
been to boast about their god, and to insist that he could easily vanquish all the
other gods put together."
[Robert G. Ingersoll, "The Gods", 1872]
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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06 Mar 2004 10:24:51 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:404A9F1E.AF70F746@netvigator.com...
"Mr. Thorne" wrote:
in article wro2c.13173$Zp.515@fed1read07, Enkidu at
wrote on 06 03 2004 10:07:
Mr. Thorne wrote:
There are atheists who are fond of promoting the unfounded idea that
infants
are inherently atheists.
Why are infants atheists? Because infants don't believe in the gods.
Right you are.
But saying that infants are atheists because they don't believe in
the gods
is like saying they're liberals because they don't believe in the
death
penalty.
No. Liberals have beliefs that define them. Atheists as a group do
not
have beliefs that define them, thay lack the belief that defines
theists. Atheists certainly do have beliefs, but not the same set of
beliefs, not a set of beliefs that define them.
Studies show that humans, by their nature, believe in the
supernatural. It
has to do (they say) with a primitive portion of the brain known as
the
limbic system.
Utter crap.
Well, skeptics like atheists are always demanding evidence for
claims.
Here's a good place to start getting the scoop:
http://www.brain-mind.com/chapter.html
Nope, not going to buy a book based on your word and a picture of the
cover.
Then remain ignorant. Ignore the evidence so you can maintain your
beliefs.
'Evidence' has been talked about on this NG for years. Evidence of gods
has been
argued about for three thousand years.
Man still awaits his 'evidence' to 'prove' his primitive beliefs, rather
than
turning to sanity and humanism.
Bob
A brit. in hong kong
whoa-o, you're an alien...
sorry, couldn't resist. you're an englishman in hong kong
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