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30 Nov 2007 01:24:16 PM |
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The Nazi Pope decries Atheism!!! |
Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Mr. Ratzinger! Speaking with all the
authority of one of the Third Reiches' own, Pope Benedict aka Cardinal
Ratzinger, the former Wehrmacht soldier who has engineered his way to
the Papacy, much to the regret of catholics worldwide and much to the
embarrassment of Germans, has explained that all of the world's
problems are derived from Atheism. No wonder Dante put all the Popes
in Hell!!
Actually, Ratzo, all the world's problems are derived from lying,
manipulative, hypocrites like yourself, who engineer their way into
positions of power through deception and intimidation, and use their
power to exploit, confuse and control other people for no useful
purpose other than their own personal gratification and power. Just
in case you were wondering. Always nice to chat with you, Ratzo. Do
send us another line, sometime.
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| User: "Topaz" |
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01 Dec 2007 05:55:22 PM |
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On 01 Dec 2007 22:59:11 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
We have a pretty good one,
America is ruled by the Jews.
by Kevin MacDonald
The current situation in the United States is really an awesome
display of Jewish power and influence. People who are very strongly
identified as Jews maintain close ties to Israeli politicians and
military figures and to Jewish activist organizations and pro-Israeli
lobbying groups while occupying influential policy-making positions in
the defense and foreign policy establishment. These same people, as
well as a chorus of other prominent Jews, have routine access to the
most prestigious media outlets in the United States. People who
criticize Israel are routinely vilified and subjected to professional
abuse.
Perhaps the most telling feature of this entire state of affairs is
the surreal fact that in this entire discourse Jewish identity is not
mentioned. When Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, Michael Rubin,
William Safire, Robert Satloff, or the legions of other prominent
media figures write their reflexively pro-Israel pieces in the New
York Times, the Wall Street Journal, or the Los Angeles Times, or
opine on the Fox News Network, there is never any mention that they
are Jewish Americans who have an intense ethnic interest in Israel.
When Richard Perle authors a report for an Israeli think tank; is on
the board of directors of an Israeli newspaper; maintains close
personal ties with prominent Israelis, especially those associated
with the Likud Party; has worked for an Israeli defense company; and,
according to credible reports, was discovered by the FBI passing
classified information to Israel - when, despite all of this, he is a
central figure in the network of those pushing for wars to rearrange
the entire politics of the Middle East in Israel's favor, and with
nary a soul having the courage to mention the obvious overriding
Jewish loyalty apparent in Perle's actions, that is indeed a
breathtaking display of power.
One must contemplate the fact that American Jews have managed to
maintain unquestioned support for Israel over the last thirty-seven
years, despite Israel's seizing land and engaging in a brutal
suppression of the Palestinians in the occupied territories - an
occupation that will most likely end with expulsion or complete
subjugation, degradation, and apartheid. During the same period Jewish
organizations in America have been a principal force - in my view the
main force - for transforming America into a state dedicated to
suppressing ethnic identification among Europeans, for encouraging
massive multiethnic immigration into the U.S., and for erecting a
legal system and cultural ideology that is obsessively sensitive to
the complaints and interests of non-European ethnic minorities - the
culture of the Holocaust. All this is done without a whisper of
double standards in the aboveground media...
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| User: "Jerry Kraus" |
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02 Dec 2007 04:25:06 PM |
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On Dec 1, 4:59 pm, Bert Hyman <> wrote:
Innews:dec13c74-71da-497c-8500-fafea7b9ff32@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm still not really too clear on what system of government, if any,
you favor. You say, a "consitutional republic" at times. But that
leads to the "small group claiming the represent 'the greatest number'
" problem you cite above.
You've left out the constitution part of "constitutional republic", which
puts constraints on what the government can do.
We have a pretty good one, although a few ambiguities and what were
possibly intentional misinterpretations have led to some of our current
problems.
These things have a way of correcting themselves over the long run.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN
One of the best, and most unique aspects of the U.S. government is the
election of all members of the House every two years. Usually, this
amounts to the REelection of the House, but not when things get messed
up enough. It was largely this feature that has terminated the Iraq
War -- and, from what I can see, it has been terminaated, now --
before it could completely destroy the U.S. economy or get us into a
nuclear war. In some ways, giving the public the opportunity to
totally clean out the most powerful single branch of the government at
such short intervals -- really, anything shorter than two years
wouldn't allow them to get anything done at all -- almost amounts to
giving us referenda power without having to have referenda!
Compare this to the parliamentary system, where the government only
has to call an election every five years, whenever they want to, and
there is no separation of powers. Parliamentary systems are,
effectively, five year dictatorships.
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01 Dec 2007 05:54:06 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:38:07 -0800 (PST), Jerry Kraus
<jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not if you use referenda to decide everything, direct democracy!
Democracy is a cruel joke when the Jews control the media.
"Jewry rules from behind the mask of democracy. What one calls
democracy today is concealed Jewish domination. Jews determine what
happens in the democratic states"
Julius Streicher, Der Stürmer, #34/1939.
"A couple of weeks ago I quoted a few sentences from a book published
in 1928 titled Propaganda, by ... Edward Bernays. Today I'll read to
you an expanded set of excerpts from Bernays' book to give you a
little more of the gist of his message. I quote:
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits
and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic
society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society
constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of
our country.
"We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes are formed, our
ideas suggested largely by men we have never heard of. This is a
logical result of the way in which our democratic society is
organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner
if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. . . .
"Whatever attitude one chooses to take toward this condition, it
remains a fact that in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in
the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our
ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of
persons . . . who understand the mental processes and social patterns
of the masses.
It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, who
harness old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the
world. . .
"No serious sociologist believes any longer that the voice of the
people expresses any divine or especially wise and lofty idea. The
voice of the people expresses the mind of the people, and that mind is
made up for it by the group leaders in whom it believes and by those
persons who understand the manipulation of public opinion. . . .
"Whether in the problem of getting elected to office or in the problem
of interpreting and popularizing new issues, or in the problem of
making the day-to-day administration of public affairs a vital part of
the community life, the use of propaganda, carefully adjusted to the
mentality of the masses, is an essential adjunct of political life." -
end of quote -
I should mention that Bernays' book is not profound or especially
valuable in itself. It merely states a few self-evident facts about
the way in which a modern society works. For the person interested in
propaganda, far more useful books are available. The fact that Bernays
was a Jew is not even especially relevant here except to emphasize
that propaganda, the mass media, psychology, and the manipulation of
others always have been subjects of special interest to the Jews. It
is not for nothing that they are as thick in these fields today as
they were in the time of Bernays and Freud. The reason I chose
Bernays' book to quote is that it provides a more concise and clear
summary, in a few quotable paragraphs, of the role of propaganda in
modern life than most other
books on the subject.
If I were you I wouldn't even waste time trying to hunt down a copy of
Bernays' book. Although it is available in larger libraries, it's long
been out of print, and all it does is state the obvious: namely, that
the whole concept of democracy is meaningless in an age where a few
people have in their hands the mechanism for controlling the attitudes
and opinions of a majority of the electorate. And Bernays also takes
the disingenuous position that not only is this control a fact of
life, but it is a good thing; it is necessary to control and regiment
the thinking of the public in order to avoid chaos, and it can only
lead us to greater progress and prosperity. He simply glosses over the
question of
who should exercise this control and what their motives should be.
If you really want to study the subject of propaganda, a good place to
start is with the 1962 book, also titled Propaganda, by the Frenchman
Jacques Ellul. That book is still in print and is available from the
sponsor of this program, National Vanguard Books. Professor Ellul
deals with the subject in much greater depth and with much greater
honesty than Bernays does, but he agrees with Bernays on the most
obvious and
fundamental conclusions: on the irrelevance of the idea of democracy,
for example. I quote from Professor Ellul's book:
"If I am in favor of democracy, I can only regret that propaganda
renders the true exercise of it almost impossible. But I think that it
would be even worse to entertain any illusions about a coexistence of
true democracy and propaganda." -- end of quote --
To me it is frustrating that a conclusion that seems so obvious is
nevertheless resisted by so many otherwise intelligent people.
Democracy has become almost a sacred concept to them, this idea that
the policies guiding our nation should be decided by counting the
votes of every featherless biped who has reached the age of 18. It's
like motherhood:
they're almost afraid to question it.
This seems to be as true of intellectuals in our society as it is of
Joe Sixpacks. The fact is that intellectuals are no more likely to be
independent-minded than people who work with their hands; most
intellectuals, just like most Joe Sixpacks, are lemmings. In fact, as
Ellul points out, it is precisely the intellectuals who are most
strongly controlled by propaganda, because they are more open to every
medium of propaganda.
And I must admit that it took me a long time to overcome the ideas
drummed into me when I was in school that under a democracy people are
more free than under any other political system, that under a
democracy we are all free to think and say whatever we want, and that
we have a greater responsibility as citizens of a democracy to make up
our own minds about things independently, and so on. Actually, we
still have some degree of individual freedom in the United States
today because more than 200 years ago men whose temperament was far
more aristocratic than democratic in the modern sense of the word were
willing to go to war against their legitimate government in order to
secure that freedom for us, and people with a truly democratic
temperament, who have been
gnawing away at that freedom ever since, haven't yet succeeded in
suppressing it completely.
Well, it should not be surprising to us that although books such as
Professor Ellul's Propaganda - and many others - are readily
available, almost no one has heard of them. Keeping the public
believing in the myth of democracy is an important element in
maintaining control over the thinking and behavior of the public. It
is simply immoral and
scandalous to question the reality of democracy. It's like questioning
the truth of the "Holocaust" story. And for that reason we're not
likely to be taught in our social studies classes in school or to read
in the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal even the most obvious
and self-evident conclusions presented by Bernays or Ellul. We're
still
taught how democracy safeguards our freedom, even while those who
control the mechanism of propaganda in our democratic society are
working day and night to eliminate that freedom."
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01 Dec 2007 05:52:43 PM |
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by Theodore J. O'Keefe
Nothing has been more effective in establishing the authenticity of
the Holocaust story in the minds of Americans than the terrible scenes
US troops discovered when they entered German concentration camps at
the close of World War II.
At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
camps, horrified US infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and dying
inmates, emaciated and diseased. Survivors told them hair-raising
stories of torture and slaughter, and backed up their claims by
showing the GIs crematory ovens, alleged execution gas chambers,
supposed implements of torture, and even shrunken heads and
lampshades, gloves, and handbags purportedly made from skin flayed
from dead inmates.
US government authorities, mindful that many Americans who remembered
the atrocity stories fed them during World War I still doubted the
Allied propaganda directed against the Hitler regime, resolved to
"document" what the GIs had found in the camps. Prominent newsmen
and politicians were flown in to see the harrowing evidence, while
the US Army Signal Corps filmed and photographed the scenes for
posterity. Famous journalist Edward R. Murrow reported, in tones of
horror, but no longer of disbelief, what he had been told and shown,
and Dachau and
Buchenwald were branded on the hearts and minds of the American
populace as names of infamy unmatched in the sad and bloody history
of this planet.
For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps -- the dead and the
diseased, the terrible stories of the inmates, all the props of
torture and terror -- became the basis not simply of a transitory
propaganda campaign but of the conviction that, yes, it was true: the
Germans did exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas
chambers.
What the GIs found was used, by way of films that were mandatory
viewing for the vanquished populace of Germany, to "re-educate" the
German people by destroying their national pride and their will to a
united, independent national state, imposing in their place
overwhelming feelings of collective guilt and political impotence.
And when the testimony, and the verdict, of the Nuremberg Tribunal
incorporated most, if not all, of the horror stories Americans were
told about
Dachau, Buchenwald, and other places captured by the US Army, the
Holocaust could pass for one of the most documented, one of the most
authenticated, one of the most proven historical episodes in the
human record.
A Different Reality
But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the
camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the
camps was quite different from the one in which they were coaching
military public information officers, government spokesmen,
politicians, journalists, and other mouthpieces.
When American and British forces overran western and central Germany
in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with
discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.
Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic
pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate
General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team,
Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German
camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim
work at Dachau, he was
questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors.
Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What
we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that
is a hoax." And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his
biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist
on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations,
confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."
Typhus, Not Poison Gas
If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death or
deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as
well.
As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief
cause of death at Dachau, Belsen and the other camps was disease,
above all typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind that until
recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together
in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had
broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in
Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic
delousing, quarantine of the sick and cremation of the dead, the
virtual
collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led
to catastrophe.
Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and
mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D.,
Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the
Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US forces in
Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in
concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus
infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes
for the outbreaks as follows:
Germany in the spring months of April and May [1945] was an
astounding sight, a mixture of humanity travelling this way and that,
homeless, often hungry and carrying typhus with them ...Germany was in
chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing
armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the
spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were
seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor,
housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere
lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring
such as few countries and few times have experienced.
Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a
psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with
British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who
volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn
oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who
died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II
weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of
diseases."
Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited
stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue
after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously
maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed
each day.
Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to
the contrary, no researcher has been able to document a German policy
of extermination through starvation in the German camps.
No 'Human Skin' Lampshades
What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for
their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other
artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks,"
whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are
reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and
even more grotesque ones proffered by Soviet prosecutors, found their
way into the record at Nuremberg.
The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch,
dubbed by journalists the "***** of Buchenwald," who was reported to
have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned
hides of luckless inmates.
But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the US zone of occupied
Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in
Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch]
selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins
or that she possessed any articles made of human skin." In an
interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material
for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was
goat flesh. But
at the trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for
her to have gotten a fair trial." Ilse Koch hanged herself in a German
jail in 1967.
It would be tedious to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre
claims as to Nazi atrocities. That there were instances of German
cruelty, however, is clear from the testimony of Dr. Konrad Morgen, a
legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose
statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been
challenged by proponents of the Jewish Holocaust story. Dr. Morgen
informed the court that he had been given full authority by Heinrich
Himmler,
commander of Hitler's SS and the dread Gestapo, to enter any German
concentration camp and investigate instances of cruelty and corruption
on the part of camp personnel. As he explained in sworn testimony at
Nuremberg, Dr. Morgen investigated 800 such cases, resulting in more
than 200 convictions. Punishments included the death penalty for the
worst offenders, including Hermann Florstedt, commandant of Lublin
(Majdanek), and Karl Koch (Ilse's husband), commandant of Buchenwald.
While German camp commandants in certain cases did inflict physical
punishment, such acts had to be approved by authorities in Berlin, and
it was required that a camp physician first certify the good health of
the prisoner to be disciplined, and then be on hand at the actual
beating. After all, throughout most of the war the camps were
important centers of industrial activity. The good health and morale
of the prisoners was critical to the German war effort, as is
evidenced in a January 1943 order issued by SS General Richard Glücks,
chief of the office that supervised the
concentration camps. It held the camp commanders "personally
responsible for exhausting every possibility to preserve the physical
strength of the detainees." Camp Survivors: Merely Victims?
US Army investigators, working at Buchenwald and other camps, quickly
ascertained what was common knowledge among veteran inmates: that the
worst offenders, the cruelest denizens of the camps, were not the
guards but the prisoners themselves. Common criminals of the same
stripe as those who populate US prisons today committed many
villainies, particularly when they held positions of authority, and
fanatical Communists, highly organized to combat their many
political enemies among the inmates, eliminated their foes with
Stalinist ruthlessness. Two US Army investigators at Buchenwald, Egon
W. Fleck and Edward A. Tenenbaum, carefully investigated circumstances
in the camp before its liberation. In a detailed report submitted to
their superiors, they revealed, in the words of Alfred Toombs, their
commander, who wrote a preface to the report, "how the prisoners
themselves organized a deadly terror within the Nazi terror."
Fleck and Tenenbaum described the power exercised by criminals and
Communists as follows:
The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They
could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death ... The
Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the
brutalities at Buchenwald.
Colonel Donald B. Robinson, chief historian of the American military
government in Germany, summarized the Fleck-Tenenbaum report in an
article published in an American magazine shortly after the war.
Colonel Robinson wrote succinctly of the American investigators'
findings: "It appeared that the prisoners who agreed with the
Communists ate; those who didn't starved to death."
Additional corroboration of inmate brutality has been provided by
Ellis E. Spackman, who, as Chief of Counter-Intelligence Arrests and
Detentions for the US Seventh Army, was involved in the liberation of
Dachau. Spackman, later a professor of history at San Bernardino
Valley College in California, wrote in 1966 that at Dachau "the
prisoners were the actual instruments that inflicted the barbarities
on their fellow prisoners."
'Gas Chambers'
In December 1944 US Army officers Colonel Paul Kirk and Lt. Colonel
Edward J. Gully inspected the German concentration camp at
Struthof-Natzweiler in Alsace. They submitted their findings to their
superiors at the headquarters of the US 6th Army Group, which
subsequently forwarded their report to the US War Crimes Division.
While, significantly, the full text of their report has never been
published, it has been revealed, by a historian supportive of
Holocaust claims, that the two investigators were careful to
characterize equipment exhibited to them by French informants as a
"so-called lethal gas chamber," and to claim it was "allegedly used as
a lethal gas chamber." (Emphasis added)
Both the careful phraseology of the Natzweiler report, and its
effective suppression, stand in stark contrast to the credulity, the
confusion, and the blaring publicity that accompanied official reports
of alleged gas chambers at Dachau. At first, a US Army photo depicting
a GI gazing at a steel door marked with a skull and crossbones and the
German words for: "Caution! Gas! Mortal danger! Don't open!," was
identified as showing the murder weapon.
Later, however, it was evidently decided that the apparatus in
question was merely a standard delousing chamber for clothing, and
another alleged gas chamber, this one cunningly disguised as a shower
room, was exhibited to American congressmen and journalists as the
site where thousands breathed their last. While there exist numerous
reports in the press as to the operation of this second "gas chamber,"
no official report by trained Army investigators has yet surfaced to
reconcile such problems as the function of the shower heads: Were they
"dummies," or did lethal cyanide gas stream through them? (Each theory
has appreciable support in journalistic and
historiographical literature.)
As with Dachau, so with Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and the other camps
liberated by the Allies in western Germany. There was no end of
propaganda about "gas chambers," "gas ovens," and the like, but so far
not a single detailed description of the murder weapon and its
function, not a single report of the kind that is mandatory for the
successful prosecution of any assault or murder case in America at
that time and today, has come to light.
Furthermore, a number of Holocaust authorities have now publicly
decreed that there were no gassings, no extermination camps in Germany
after all. (We are now told that "gassing" and "extermination" camps
were located exclusively in what is now Poland, in areas captured by
the Soviet Red Army and made off-limits to western investigators.)
Dr. Martin Broszat of the Munich-based Institute for Contemporary
History, which is funded by the German government, stated
categorically in a 1960 letter to the German weekly Die Zeit: "Neither
in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other
prisoners gassed." Professional "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal stated
in 1975 and again in 1993 that "there were no
extermination camps on German soil."
Dachau "gas chamber" No. 2, which was once presented to a stunned and
grieving world as a weapon that claimed hundreds of thousands of
lives, is now described in the brochure issued to tourists at the
modern Dachau "memorial site" in these words: "This gas chamber,
camouflaged as a shower room, was not used."
The Propaganda Intensifies
More than 50 years after American troops entered Dachau, Buchenwald
and other German camps, and trained American investigators established
the facts as to what had gone on in them, the government in
Washington, the entertainment media in Hollywood, and the print media
in New York continue to churn out millions of words and images
annually on the horrors of the camps and the infamy of the Holocaust.
Despite the fact that, with the exception of the defeated Confederacy,
no enemy of America has ever so suffered so complete and devastating
defeat as did Germany in 1945, the mass media and the politicians and
bureaucrats behave as if Hitler, his troops, and his concentration
camps continue to exist in an eternal present, and our opinion makers
continue to distort, through ignorance or malice, the facts about the
camps.
Time for the Truth
It is time that the government and the professional historians reveal
the facts about Dachau, Buchenwald and the other camps. It is time
they let the American public know how the inmates died, and how they
didn't die. It is time that the claims of mass murder by gassing are
clarified and investigated in the same manner as any other claims of
murder. It is time that the free ride certain groups have enjoyed as
the result of unchallenged Holocaust claims be terminated, just as it
is time to end the scapegoating of other groups, including Germans,
eastern Europeans, the
Roman Catholic hierarchy, and the wartime leadership of America and
Britain, either for their alleged role in the Holocaust or their
supposed failure to stop it.
Above all, it is time that the citizens of this great Republic have
the facts about the camps, facts they have a right to know, a right
that is fundamental to the exercise of their authority and their will
in the governance of their country. As citizens and as taxpayers,
Americans of all ethnic backgrounds, of all faiths, have a basic right
and an overriding interest in determining the facts of incidents that
are deemed by those in positions of power to be significant in
determining America's foreign and educational policy, as well as its
selection of past events to be memorialized in our
civic life.
Today the alleged facts of the Holocaust are at issue all over the
civilized world. The truth will be decided only by recourse to the
facts, in the public forum: not by concealing the facts, denying the
truth, stonewalling reality. The truth will out, and it is time the
government of this country, and governments and international bodies
throughout the world, make public the evidence of what actually
transpired in the German concentration camps in the years 1933-1945,
so that we may put paid to the lies, without fear or favor, and carry
out the work of reconciliation and renewal that is and must be the
granite foundation of mutual tolerance between peoples and of a peace
based on justice.
Summary
The conclusions of the early US Army investigations as to the truth
about the wartime German concentration camps have since been
corroborated by all subsequent investigators and can be summarized:
1.The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result
of a German policy of "extermination," but rather the result of
epidemics of typhus and other disease brought about largely by the
effects of Allied aerial attacks.
2.Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and
others into handbags and lampshades for their private profit or
amusement were sick lies or diseased fantasies; indeed, the German
authorities punished corruption and cruelty on the part of camp
commanders and guards.
3.On the other hand, portrayals of the newly liberated inmates as
saints and martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often very far from the
truth; indeed, most of the brutalities inflicted on camp detainees
were the work of their fellow prisoners, in contravention of German
policy and German orders.
4.The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers were used either for
bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that they
were used to murder Jews or other human beings is a contemptible
fabrication. Orthodox historians and professional "Nazi-hunters" have
quietly dropped claims that inmates were gassed at Dachau, Buchenwald
and other camps in Germany. They continue, however, to keep silent
regarding the lies about Dachau and Buchenwald, as well as to evade an
open discussion of the evidence for homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and
the
other camps captured by the Soviets.
Institute For Historical Review
Post Office Box 2739
Newport Beach, California 92659
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01 Dec 2007 08:37:58 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:57:04 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Dec 1, 11:03 am, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
Innews:70ae17d1-6125-44c6-9d63-66aedc8f2886@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com
lorad...@cs.com wrote:
Like the famous atheists Stalin, Mao-tse-Tung, and Pol-Pot were the
paragons of stability?
You seem to have missed the point that when those folks acted, they
weren't acting in the name of "atheism", but in the name of their own
perverted ideology.
Of course.. their political ideology which included atheism.
Just as yours seems to.
Another brainwashed moron pretending he is too stupid to grasp that
not believing any gods is much the same as not believing in
leprechauns.
What does not believing in leprechauns make motivate you to do,
brainwashed liar?
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01 Dec 2007 01:46:13 PM |
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On Dec 1, 12:55 pm, wrote:
On Dec 1, 10:22 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sure sure..
Like the famous atheists Stalin, Mao-tse-Tung, and Pol-Pot were the
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Let's consider all three:
1. Despite all of his purges, Gulags and "genocides" -- really, mass
killings directed to control, not to exterminate, but, I won't press
that point -- life expectancy for the average Russian was higher under
Stalin than it is today, or was under the "enlightened" Boris Yeltsin!
2. Modern Communist China is, undoubtedly, the creation of Mao-tse-
Tung, and modern communist China is the most dynamic, and, in many
ways "successful" nation on the planet.
3. Pol Pot's genocide of the Cambodian people was undoubtedly heavily
influenced by Cambodian Buddhism, which is extremely nihilistic. The
Khmer Rouge leadership were educated in Buddhist schools. They held
their meetings in Buddhist temples. Transcendental religions which
deny the importance of the material world -- Christianity, Buddhism --
lend themselves to mass extermination in the name of abstract ideals
-- can you say "Nazi"! It was the Vietnamese Communists who saved the
Cambodian people from Pol Pot's madness. Russian communists deny that
Pol Pot was a communist. They call him a fascist.
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:46:13 -0800 (PST), Jerry Kraus
<jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
2. Modern Communist China is, undoubtedly, the creation of Mao-tse-
Tung, and modern communist China is the most dynamic, and, in many
ways "successful" nation on the planet.
Chinese workers pay, in U.S. money is from $600 to $1200 a year. Many
live in company dormitories with free food. They work 14 hours a day,
seven days a week.
Capitalists call this "freedom" because they are not forced to work
there and they can quit any time. And Capitalists are free to pay them
as little as possible.
As more and more Americans lose their jobs to third world workers, the
capitalists will tell us that we need more capitalism, and we need to
abolish such things as the minimum wage so we can "compete" with the
third world. Then they can set up the dormitories here and we can work
14 hours a day and seven days a week. It's all based on "supply and
demand". Unfortunately for human beings there is a big supply of us
people.
Actually, Capitalism is a bogus concept. We don't have to put up
with this greed. We could do what J. P. Morgan suggested - that a
business leader should not be allowed to make more than 20 times the
average nonexecutive wage of his workers. This shares the wealth. The
business leader is forced to pay his workers more, while at the same
time this idea keeps plenty of incentives for business leaders to
start new businesses.
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http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
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On Dec 1, 1:55 pm, wrote:
On Dec 1, 10:22 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 7:20 am, Bum A. Long <bumal...@aol.com> wrote:
Call me all the names you like. ATHEISTS MURDER MORE PEOPLE THAN
CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, AND I AM NOT BUDGING FROM THAT STATEMENT!!!
Fine. Then be prepared to get called a liar every time you post this
lie. We are under no obligation to recognize your delusion.
WHY OH WHY DO ATHEISTS FEAR GOD???? IF HE DOES NOT EXIST, THEN WHY DO
YOU FEAR HIM????
It's not your god we're worried about, sunshine.
Some of his followers are not, shall we say, the most stable people
around.
PDW
Sure sure..
Like the famous atheists Stalin, Mao-tse-Tung, and Pol-Pot were the
paragons of stability?
Their not 'famous atheist', jerk. Their famous dictators.
Not that I expect you to realize the difference.
PDW
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01 Dec 2007 02:35:56 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:22:37 -0800 (PST), "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 7:20 am, Bum A. Long <bumal...@aol.com> wrote:
Call me all the names you like. ATHEISTS MURDER MORE PEOPLE THAN
CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, AND I AM NOT BUDGING FROM THAT STATEMENT!!!
Fine. Then be prepared to get called a liar every time you post this
lie. We are under no obligation to recognize your delusion.
WHY OH WHY DO ATHEISTS FEAR GOD???? IF HE DOES NOT EXIST, THEN WHY DO
YOU FEAR HIM????
It's not your god we're worried about, sunshine.
Some of his followers are not, shall we say, the most stable people
around.
PDW
It was Gandhi who said something along the lines of, "I like your Christ but I'm
not too crazy about you Christians"
Ben
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04 Dec 2007 01:32:05 AM |
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On Dec 1, 3:35 pm, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-
doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:22:37 -0800 (PST), "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 7:20 am, Bum A. Long <bumal...@aol.com> wrote:
Call me all the names you like. ATHEISTS MURDER MORE PEOPLE THAN
CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, AND I AM NOT BUDGING FROM THAT STATEMENT!!!
Fine. Then be prepared to get called a liar every time you post this
lie. We are under no obligation to recognize your delusion.
WHY OH WHY DO ATHEISTS FEAR GOD???? IF HE DOES NOT EXIST, THEN WHY DO
YOU FEAR HIM????
It's not your god we're worried about, sunshine.
Some of his followers are not, shall we say, the most stable people
around.
PDW
It was Gandhi who said something along the lines of, "I like your Christ but I'm
not too crazy about you Christians"
Ben
I can sure understand his sentiment..
PDW
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01 Dec 2007 04:34:49 PM |
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On Dec 1, 4:09 pm, Bum A. Long <bumal...@aol.com> wrote:
No one here is going to force me to change my position. I am not
budging. And as for the self-important "academically advanced" among
you, let me say this: I am not impressed. The Academic World is a
whorehouse. Just let the money dry up. Then see how quickly
Academics say: "Let us now re-examine our position concerning God
and Traditional Values".
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:54:25 -0800 (PST), PerfectlyAble
<j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
On Dec 2, 9:35 am, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-
doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:22:37 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
<pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 7:20 am, Bum A. Long <bumal...@aol.com> wrote:
Call me all the names you like. ATHEISTS MURDER MORE PEOPLE
THAN
CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, AND I AM NOT BUDGING FROM THAT STATEMENT!!!
Fine. Then be prepared to get called a liar every time you post
this
lie. We are under no obligation to recognize your delusion.
WHY OH WHY DO ATHEISTS FEAR GOD???? IF HE DOES NOT EXIST, THEN
WHY DO
YOU FEAR HIM????
It's not your god we're worried about, sunshine.
Some of his followers are not, shall we say, the most stable
people
around.
PDW
It was Gandhi who said something along the lines of, "I like your
Christ but I'm
not too crazy about you Christians"
Ben
Jesus followed the tradition created by Socrete,
that the way to change someones mind, the only way.
was through reason. Its a pity Christians are so
conceited to block out the true words of their saviour
and appropriate it for their own ego boosting power
grabbing ends. Personally I say nuts to Jesus,
a death cult would be more moral.- Hide quoted text -
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Oh, of course the Academic World is a whorehouse. All bureaucracies
are, including, and especially the Vatican! But that doesn't mean
that all science, law and philosophy are nonsense. Just that
professionals are professionals, interested in retaining their
paycheck and not much else. The pursuit of truth is not limited to
professionals. And there is much truth in law, philosophy and
science, much of it coming from amateurs or outsiders.
The point here is the utter ludicrousness of a self-serving
professional hypocrite like Cardinal Ratzinger presuming to be a moral
beacon to the world!
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02 Dec 2007 06:36:14 AM |
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Well, I have no intention of defending what the Nazi pope says or
does. And I am fully aware of what this current head of the Catholic
chruch is capable of doing. And I shudder at the possibilities.
But I am still not budging from my position stated above.
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:34:49 -0800 (PST), Jerry Kraus
<jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 4:09 pm, Bum A. Long <bumal...@aol.com> wrote:
No one here is going to force me to change my position. I am not
budging. And as for the self-important "academically advanced"
among
you, let me say this: I am not impressed. The Academic World is a
whorehouse. Just let the money dry up. Then see how quickly
Academics say: "Let us now re-examine our position concerning God
and Traditional Values".
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:54:25 -0800 (PST), PerfectlyAble
<j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
On Dec 2, 9:35 am, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-
doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:22:37 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
<pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 7:20 am, Bum A. Long <bumal...@aol.com> wrote:
Call me all the names you like. ATHEISTS MURDER MORE PEOPLE
THAN
CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, AND I AM NOT BUDGING FROM THAT
STATEMENT!!!
Fine. Then be prepared to get called a liar every time you post
this
lie. We are under no obligation to recognize your delusion.
WHY OH WHY DO ATHEISTS FEAR GOD???? IF HE DOES NOT EXIST,
THEN
WHY DO
YOU FEAR HIM????
It's not your god we're worried about, sunshine.
Some of his followers are not, shall we say, the most stable
people
around.
PDW
It was Gandhi who said something along the lines of, "I like
your
Christ but I'm
not too crazy about you Christians"
Ben
Jesus followed the tradition created by Socrete,
that the way to change someones mind, the only way.
was through reason. Its a pity Christians are so
conceited to block out the true words of their saviour
and appropriate it for their own ego boosting power
grabbing ends. Personally I say nuts to Jesus,
a death cult would be more moral.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Oh, of course the Academic World is a whorehouse. All bureaucracies
are, including, and especially the Vatican! But that doesn't mean
that all science, law and philosophy are nonsense. Just that
professionals are professionals, interested in retaining their
paycheck and not much else. The pursuit of truth is not limited to
professionals. And there is much truth in law, philosophy and
science, much of it coming from amateurs or outsiders.
The point here is the utter ludicrousness of a self-serving
professional hypocrite like Cardinal Ratzinger presuming to be a
moral
beacon to the world!
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02 Dec 2007 02:08:08 PM |
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Here is a quote from The Nameless War, by Captain A. H. M. Ramsay:
"The urgent alarm sounded in 1918 by Mr. Oudendyke in his letter
to Mr. Balfour (see page 25), denouncing bolshevism as a Jewish plan,
which if not checked by the combined action of the European powers,
would engulf Europe and the world, was no exaggeration. By the end of
that year the red flag was being hoisted in most of the great cities
of Europe. In Hungary the Jew Bela Kuhn organized and maintained for
some time a merciless and bloody tyranny similar to the one in Russia.
In Germany the Jews, Liebknecht, Barth, Scheidemann, Rosa Luxemburg,
etc., made a desperate bid for power. These and other similar
convulsions shook Europe; but each country in its own way just
frustated the onslaughts.
In most countries concerned a few voices were raised in the
endeavour to expose the true nature of these evils. Only in one,
however, did a political leader and group arise, who grasped to the
full the significance of these happenings, and perceived behind the
mobs of native hooligans the organisation and driving power of world
Jewry. This leader was Adolf Hitler, and his group the National
Socialist Party of Germany.
Never before in history had any country not only repulsed organized
revolution, but discerned Jewry behind it, and faced up to that fact.
We need not wonder that the sewers of Jewish vituperation were flooded
over these men and their leader; nor should we make the mistake of
supposing that Jewry would stick at any lie to deter honest men
everywhere from making a thorough investigation of the facts for
themselves. Nevertheless, if any value liberty, and set out to seek
truth and defend it, this duty of personal investigation is one which
they cannot shirk.
To accept unquestioningly the lies and misrepresentaions of a
Jew-controlled or influenced press, is to spurn truth by sheer
idleness, if for no worse reason."
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
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01 Dec 2007 05:47:22 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:20:45 -0500, Bum A. Long <bumalong@aol.com>
wrote:
Call me all the names you like. ATHEISTS MURDER MORE PEOPLE THAN
CHRISTIANS AND JEWS,
Article Winston Churchill wrote in 1920:
"This movement amongst the Jews (the Russian Revolution) is not new.
From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down
to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kuhn (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany)
and Emma Goldman (United States), this world wide conspiracy for the
overthrow of civilization and the reconstruction of society on the
basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible
equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part
in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of
every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at
last this band of extraordinary personalities has gripped the Russian
people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the
undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to
exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the
actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international
and for the most part atheistic Jews. Moreover, the principal
inspiration and driving power comes from Jewish leaders." (ibid)
Lev Trotzky wrote a book called "Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man and
His Influence", Harper Bros., New York and London, 1941, translated by
Charles Malamuth.
In this book he told who the principle members of the October Central
Committee were. This group was the leadership of the Bolshevik Party
during the October Revolution. This is what he wrote:
"In view of the Party's semi-legality the names of persons elected by
secret ballot were not announced at the Congress, with the exception
of the four who had received the largest number of votes. Lenin--133
out of a possible 134, Zinoviev--132, Kamenev--131, Trotzky--131."
Of these four top leaders of the Bolshevik Party the last three were
known Jews. Lenin was thought to be a gentile married to a Jewess. It
was later proven that he was one quarter Jewish, London Jewish
Chronicle April 21, 1995, Lenin: Life and Legacy.
David Francis, the American Ambassador to Russia at the time of the
Revolution, wrote:
"The Bolshevic leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country
but are internationalists and they are trying to start a world-wide
revolution."
The Director of British Intelligence to the U.S. Secretary of State
wrote this:
"There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international
movement controlled by Jews."
In 1945 the FBI arrested six individuals for stealing 1700 highly
confidential documents from State Department files. This was the
Amerasia case they were:
Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who came to the U.S. in 1905. He was at
one time the editor of the communist paper "Labor Defense" and the
ringleader of the group arrested.
Andrew Roth, a Jew.
Mark Gayn, a Jew, changed his name from Julius Ginsberg.
John Service, a gentile.
Emmanuel Larsen, nationality unknown
Kate Mitchel, nationality unknown.
In 1949 the Jewess Judith Coplin was caught passing classified
documents from Justice Department files to a Russian agent.
The highest ranking communist brought to trial in the U.S. was Gerhart
Eisler. He was a Jew. He was the secret boss of the Communist Party
in the U.S. and commuted regularly between the U.S. and Russia.
In 1950 there was the "Hollywood Ten" case. Ten leading film writers
of the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted for contempt of Congress
and sentenced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews. Six of the ten
were communist party members and the other four were flagrantly
pro-communist.
One of the top new stories of 1949 was the trial of Eugene Dennis and
the Convicted Eleven. This group comprised the National Secretariat of
the American Communist Party. Six were Jews, two gentiles, three
nationality unknown.
Also in 1949 the German-born atomic scientist Klaus Fuchs was
convicted for passing atomic secrets to the Russians. Acting on
information obtained from Fuchs the FBI arrested nine other members of
the ring. All of them were convicted. Eight of the nine were Jews.
Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis
Browne.
"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated in the
heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were neither
Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing Jews at
all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
throughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."
"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two men
who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went throughout
Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."
The book "Soviet Russia and the Jews" by Gregor Aronson and published
by the American Jewish League Against Communism, quotes Stalin in an
interview in 1931 with the Jewish Telegraph Agency. Stalin said:
"...Communists cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of
Anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the
Soviet Union. Active anti-Semites are punished by death under the
law."
The following quotes are taken directly from documents available from
the
U.S. Archives:
State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominent in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."
State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."
From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type" type."
A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
were 384 'commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government.
The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920
"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried to read
articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in doing
so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous
stuff. From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I
recalled to mind the names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then
I realized that most of them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social
Democratic representatives in the Imperial Cabinet as well as the
secretaries if the Trades Unions and the street agitators. Everywhere
the same sinister picture presented itself. I shall never forget the
row of names- Austerlitz, David, Adler, Ellonbogen, and others. One
fact became quite evident to me. It was that this alien race held in
its hands the leadership of that Social Democratic Party with whose
minor representatives I had been disputing for months past."
Solzhenitsyn named in his book the six top administrators of the
Soviet death camps. All six of them were Jews.
Here is something the National Socialists wrote:
"The Soviet Union was in fact a paradise for one group: the Jews. Even
at times when for foreign policy reasons Jews were less evident in the
government, or when they ruled through straw men, the Jews were always
visible in the middle and lower levels of the administration."
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:20:45 -0500, Bum A. Long <bumalong@aol.com>
wrote:
Call me all the names you like. ATHEISTS MURDER MORE PEOPLE THAN
CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, AND I AM NOT BUDGING FROM THAT STATEMENT!!!
LIAR.
AND EVEN IF THEY DID, IT WOULD BE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS THE EXACT
EQUIVALENT OF NOT BELIEVING IN PIXIES OR NOT WATCHING BASEBALL.
WHAT PART OF "YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE TO FIND WHY SOMEBODY
DOES SOMETHING, NOT WHAT THEY AREN'T" ARE YOU PRETENDING YOU ARE TOO
STUPID TO UNDERSTAND?
WHY OH WHY DO ATHEISTS FEAR GOD???? IF HE DOES NOT EXIST, THEN WHY DO
YOU FEAR HIM????
WHY DO YOU LIE ABOUT US, MORON?
You lie when you breathe.
Liar.
You trip over your tongues when you vomit
your anti-God nonsense.
What "anti-God nonsense", lying moron?
You deliberately blind yourself to the
obvious truth.
Liar.
NO WONDER THE WORLD IS IN SUCH TURMOIL!!!!!
IT'S BECAUSE RELIGIOUS LOONIES ARE RUNNING THE MOST POWERFUL NATION ON
EARTH, POKING THEIR NOSES IN OTHER PEOPLE'S COUNTRIES WHERE THEY ARE
NEITHER WANTED NOR NEEDED AND LYING ABOUT THE REACTION. AND BECAUSE
THEY DENY THINGS LIKE GLOBAL WARMING FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS. ALSO
BECAUSE THEY DENY SCIENCE IN FAVOUR OF "GOD DID IT".
Now ***** and die.
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01 Dec 2007 09:08:23 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:20:45 -0500, Bum A. Long <bumalong@aol.com> wrote:
Call me all the names you like. ATHEISTS MURDER MORE PEOPLE THAN
CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, AND I AM NOT BUDGING FROM THAT STATEMENT!!!
WHY OH WHY DO ATHEISTS FEAR GOD???? IF HE DOES NOT EXIST, THEN WHY DO
YOU FEAR HIM????
You lie when you breathe. You trip over your tongues when you vomit
your anti-God nonsense. You deliberately blind yourself to the
obvious truth.
NO WONDER THE WORLD IS IN SUCH TURMOIL!!!!!
<SNIP>
You seem to be confusing atheism with communism. The soviet and Chinese regimes
did not kill masses of people in the name of atheism. On the other hand, the
Holocaust, the Armenian massacre, the Inquisition, the Crusades, etc. all
targeted people on the basis of different religious beliefs from the
perpetrators.
Ben
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| User: "bob young" |
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01 Dec 2007 10:53:03 PM |
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Ben Kaufman wrote:
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:20:45 -0500, Bum A. Long <bumalong@aol.com> wrote:
Call me all the names you like. ATHEISTS MURDER MORE PEOPLE THAN
CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, AND I AM NOT BUDGING FROM THAT STATEMENT!!!
WHY OH WHY DO ATHEISTS FEAR GOD???? IF HE DOES NOT EXIST, THEN WHY DO
YOU FEAR HIM????
You lie when you breathe. You trip over your tongues when you vomit
your anti-God nonsense. You deliberately blind yourself to the
obvious truth.
NO WONDER THE WORLD IS IN SUCH TURMOIL!!!!!
<SNIP>
You seem to be confusing atheism with communism. The soviet and Chinese regimes
did not kill masses of people in the name of atheism. On the other hand, the
Holocaust, the Armenian massacre, the Inquisition, the Crusades, etc. all
targeted people on the basis of different religious beliefs from the
perpetrators.
Ben
Hitler's Pope Pius IIX at the end of WWII could have saved thousand from the german
prisoner of war camps but he closed his eyes and did nothing - he was far more
fearful of the approach of the soviet soldiers - his main fear.
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| User: "Topaz" |
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02 Dec 2007 02:06:18 PM |
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On 1 Dec 2007 22:53:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Hitler's Pope Pius IIX at the end of WWII could have saved thousand from the german
prisoner of war camps but he closed his eyes and did nothing - he was far more
fearful of the approach of the soviet soldiers - his main fear.
by James Buchanan
Let's say the Germans merely removed the Jews from positions of
political power and banned them from the legal profession. Germany
went from devastating economic poverty in 1932 to full employment just
a couple years later. If an incredible economic improvement can be
achieved, merely by removing the Jews from power (and replacing them
with patriotic nationalists), then every Gentile nation in the world
should give this a try.
Obviously the Jews don't want anyone else getting the idea of removing
them to create prosperity. The Jews control the mass media in most
Western countries. Most people don't know about the Balfour
Declaration. During World War One, Zionist Jews offered to use their
control of the press to bring America into World War One if Britain
would promise them Palestine. This offer was dubbed the Balfour
Declaration. If the Jews had enough media control and influence to
push America into World War One in 1917, what else have they done with
their power?
It was a huge embarrassment for the Jews to see Germany so prosperous
in the mid-1930s after removing them from power. They considered this
a dangerous precedent. To deal with this "problem" the Jewish World
Congress declared war on Germany in 1933. This declaration of war at
least encouraged a world-wide boycott against Germany and at worst
encouraged other nations of the world to become hostile toward
Germany. (The Jews curiously sanctioned the Germans before the Germans
passed any laws restricting the Jews.) More importantly the Jews
pushed vicious anti-German slander in all the Jewish-owned newspapers
in the West in the years leading up to World War Two. The Communist
mass murder of 30 million people in Russia and the Ukraine received
almost no publicity in the Jewish media. Most people in the West only
heard a serious mention of these Communist mass murders beginning in
the 1980s. Instead, the Jewish media focused all their hatred and
agitation against Germany and its allies.
After six years of relentless agitation, the Jews pushed England and
France into war with Germany. Only two years later, FDR and his cabal
of Jews provoked a war with Japan (and Germany).
Naturally, the Jews did not want future historians to say: "World War
Two was provoked by the Jewish media in retaliation for Germany
removing the Jews from power." The Jews needed a new reason for World
War Two. A reason that painted their enemies as unquestionably evil.
So they invented the Holocaust.
The Holocaust stood mostly unchallenged for decades after the war
because people feared being branded "Nazi-sympathizers" for
questioning its details. The truth always comes out in the long run.
Professor Arthur Butz published his famous work "The Hoax of the 20th
Century" in 1977 detailing a very solid argument against this war
propaganda. Dr. Butz pointed out that the world population of Jews
remained at about 16 million before and after the war. He also noted
that half a million Jews remained in Paris after four years of German
occupation. Both these facts strongly suggest the Holocaust is a
fraud, but the political power of the Jews has suppressed and punished
any public questioning of the Holocaust to this day. David Irving
joined the ranks of Revisionist historians several years ago and went
from a famous successful author to a pariah thanks to persecution by
the Jews.
The Institute for Historical Review has done great work exposing the
Holocaust as a great historical fraud. Anyone interested in looking
for historical truth should visit their website. It's a shock for many
people to see how much propaganda we've been force fed.
http://www.ihr.org
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
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| User: "Topaz" |
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01 Dec 2007 05:48:34 PM |
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by James Buchanan
Let's say the Germans merely removed the Jews from positions of
political power and banned them from the legal profession. Germany
went from devastating economic poverty in 1932 to full employment just
a couple years later. If an incredible economic improvement can be
achieved, merely by removing the Jews from power (and replacing them
with patriotic nationalists), then every Gentile nation in the world
should give this a try.
Obviously the Jews don't want anyone else getting the idea of removing
them to create prosperity. The Jews control the mass media in most
Western countries. Most people don't know about the Balfour
Declaration. During World War One, Zionist Jews offered to use their
control of the press to bring America into World War One if Britain
would promise them Palestine. This offer was dubbed the Balfour
Declaration. If the Jews had enough media control and influence to
push America into World War One in 1917, what else have they done with
their power?
It was a huge embarrassment for the Jews to see Germany so prosperous
in the mid-1930s after removing them from power. They considered this
a dangerous precedent. To deal with this "problem" the Jewish World
Congress declared war on Germany in 1933. This declaration of war at
least encouraged a world-wide boycott against Germany and at worst
encouraged other nations of the world to become hostile toward
Germany. (The Jews curiously sanctioned the Germans before the Germans
passed any laws restricting the Jews.) More importantly the Jews
pushed vicious anti-German slander in all the Jewish-owned newspapers
in the West in the years leading up to World War Two. The Communist
mass murder of 30 million people in Russia and the Ukraine received
almost no publicity in the Jewish media. Most people in the West only
heard a serious mention of these Communist mass murders beginning in
the 1980s. Instead, the Jewish media focused all their hatred and
agitation against Germany and its allies.
After six years of relentless agitation, the Jews pushed England and
France into war with Germany. Only two years later, FDR and his cabal
of Jews provoked a war with Japan (and Germany).
Naturally, the Jews did not want future historians to say: "World War
Two was provoked by the Jewish media in retaliation for Germany
removing the Jews from power." The Jews needed a new reason for World
War Two. A reason that painted their enemies as unquestionably evil.
So they invented the Holocaust.
The Holocaust stood mostly unchallenged for decades after the war
because people feared being branded "Nazi-sympathizers" for
questioning its details. The truth always comes out in the long run.
Professor Arthur Butz published his famous work "The Hoax of the 20th
Century" in 1977 detailing a very solid argument against this war
propaganda. Dr. Butz pointed out that the world population of Jews
remained at about 16 million before and after the war. He also noted
that half a million Jews remained in Paris after four years of German
occupation. Both these facts strongly suggest the Holocaust is a
fraud, but the political power of the Jews has suppressed and punished
any public questioning of the Holocaust to this day. David Irving
joined the ranks of Revisionist historians several years ago and went
from a famous successful author to a pariah thanks to persecution by
the Jews.
The Institute for Historical Review has done great work exposing the
Holocaust as a great historical fraud. Anyone interested in looking
for historical truth should visit their website. It's a shock for many
people to see how much propaganda we've been force fed.
http://www.ihr.org
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
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| User: "Topaz" |
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01 Dec 2007 05:46:22 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:59:43 -0800 (PST), PerfectlyAble
<jrhw@kol.co.nz> wrote:
Talk about theft, Christians claiming every soldier in
the Allied Armies died for Jesus. Atheists,
Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, Jews all
have died for the defense of freedom in both
World Wars. I pity you that you lie to save face.
Freedom from religious states.
This web site explains what is going on with the "left" and the
"right" in the modern economic sense.
http://www.michaeljournal.org/myth.htm
The meaning of "right" and "left" has changed. I stay with the
original meaning for the same reason I refuse to call homosexual
perverts "gay". The word "gay" was originally a good thing.
The right is for outlawing homosexual perversion,
prostitution, abortions, heroin, and other bad things. It puts the
good of the nation first and ahead of the freedom of individuals to
corrupt the culture of the nation.
Leftists believe in the Rede of Witchcraft which states-- If it
harm none, do what will you will. This sounds nice, but like the apple
that the witch gave to Snow White it has poison within. The Rede of
Witchcraft is the Bible of liberalism. It would legalize homosexual
perversion, prostitution, drugs, etc.
The right is for building a great nation. Leftists care only
about individual freedom and are opposed to any laws that would make
the nation better. There are beaches where normal families will not go
because homosexual perverts practice their perversion on the beach.
When the liberals say they are for freedom this is kind of thing they
are talking about. Of course people should be free to do what they
want most of the time. There is no argument there. Liberals are
talking about being free to do things that many people object to and
want outlawed. Their philosophy, taken to its logical conclusion,
would not allow the law that says drivers have to stop at the red
lights. Their philosophy would allow heroin to be sold on grocery
store shelves and allow ads promoting heroin on TV. Their philosophy
would result in chaos and degeneracy.
Libertarians are liberals who want freedom for the Ebenezer
Scrooges to be as greedy as they want. They have the same philosophy
as other leftist who want to legalize heroin and prostitution, namely
that the state can't tell them what they can't do. People don't like
laws stopping them from doing things, and we should sympathize with
that, but sometimes that is not the most important thing. Capitalists
want freedom for greed, other liberals want freedom for degeneracy,
but good laws would make a nation good.
The Communists were leftist and they said they were fighting for
freedom. In Spain they sided with the anarchists. The Communists and
the anarchists were the same people or the same type of people. The
Communists were for having government but only temporarily. They said
that their government was necessary only until the whole world was
Communist. After the world was Communist they wanted to dissolve the
government and have an anarchy.
The right wing cares about the future. Leftists only care about the
present. If their philosophy results in a nightmare future like in
Soylent Green or some other futuristic nightmare they are not
interested and insist that nothing could be more important than the
freedom of individuals to be as decadent as they want. To see the kind
of society
libertarians are fighting for see the movie "8MM", they aren't for the
snuff part, but
other than that it shows liberalism in action.
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
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| User: "PerfectlyAble" |
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30 Nov 2007 02:32:03 PM |
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On Dec 1, 8:24 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Mr. Ratzinger! Speaking with all the
authority of one of the Third Reiches' own, Pope Benedict aka Cardinal
Ratzinger, the former Wehrmacht soldier who has engineered his way to
the Papacy, much to the regret of catholics worldwide and much to the
embarrassment of Germans, has explained that all of the world's
problems are derived from Atheism. No wonder Dante put all the Popes
in Hell!!
Actually, Ratzo, all the world's problems are derived from lying,
manipulative, hypocrites like yourself, who engineer their way into
positions of power through deception and intimidation, and use their
power to exploit, confuse and control other people for no useful
purpose other than their own personal gratification and power. Just
in case you were wondering. Always nice to chat with you, Ratzo. Do
send us another line, sometime.
By targeting Atheism the Pope accepts its a force it the world.
Secular Democracies are hearing the Pope and respecting
non-believers rights and questioning the taxpayer funding of
Catholic social services. For obviously they are no longer
open to atheists.
In other news, teddy bears called Mohammad are banned
from entering the USA.
The world gets stupider the more it believes in God.
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| User: "Jerry Kraus" |
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30 Nov 2007 02:56:59 PM |
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On Nov 30, 2:32 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
On Dec 1, 8:24 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Mr. Ratzinger! Speaking with all the
authority of one of the Third Reiches' own, Pope Benedict aka Cardinal
Ratzinger, the former Wehrmacht soldier who has engineered his way to
the Papacy, much to the regret of catholics worldwide and much to the
embarrassment of Germans, has explained that all of the world's
problems are derived from Atheism. No wonder Dante put all the Popes
in Hell!!
Actually, Ratzo, all the world's problems are derived from lying,
manipulative, hypocrites like yourself, who engineer their way into
positions of power through deception and intimidation, and use their
power to exploit, confuse and control other people for no useful
purpose other than their own personal gratification and power. Just
in case you were wondering. Always nice to chat with you, Ratzo. Do
send us another line, sometime.
By targeting Atheism the Pope accepts its a force it the world.
Secular Democracies are hearing the Pope and respecting
non-believers rights and questioning the taxpayer funding of
Catholic social services. For obviously they are no longer
open to atheists.
In other news, teddy bears called Mohammad are banned
from entering the USA.
The world gets stupider the more it believes in God.
This nasty, senile fool in the Vatican makes a perfect complement to
George Bush in the White House! What a pair!
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Dec 2007 07:49:49 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:56:59 -0800 (PST), Jerry Kraus
<jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 30, 2:32 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
On Dec 1, 8:24 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Mr. Ratzinger! Speaking with all the
authority of one of the Third Reiches' own, Pope Benedict aka Cardinal
Ratzinger, the former Wehrmacht soldier who has engineered his way to
the Papacy, much to the regret of catholics worldwide and much to the
embarrassment of Germans, has explained that all of the world's
problems are derived from Atheism. No wonder Dante put all the Popes
in Hell!!
Actually, Ratzo, all the world's problems are derived from lying,
manipulative, hypocrites like yourself, who engineer their way into
positions of power through deception and intimidation, and use their
power to exploit, confuse and control other people for no useful
purpose other than their own personal gratification and power. Just
in case you were wondering. Always nice to chat with you, Ratzo. Do
send us another line, sometime.
By targeting Atheism the Pope accepts its a force it the world.
Secular Democracies are hearing the Pope and respecting
non-believers rights and questioning the taxpayer funding of
Catholic social services. For obviously they are no longer
open to atheists.
In other news, teddy bears called Mohammad are banned
from entering the USA.
The world gets stupider the more it believes in God.
This nasty, senile fool in the Vatican makes a perfect complement to
George Bush in the White House! What a pair!
You forgot Blair and Howard [yes, I know they're no longer in orfice].
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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14 Dec 2007 09:05:17 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:49:49 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:56:59 -0800 (PST), Jerry Kraus
<jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 30, 2:32 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
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