Religions > Atheism > "The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book. LIBERALS ARE COWARDS!
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11 Oct 2004 05:38:42 AM |
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"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book. LIBERALS ARE COWARDS! |
"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book. LIBERALS ARE
COWARDS!
John Kerry's wrote a book in 1971 titled "The New Soldier." It is out
of print and Senator Kerry will not let it be reprinted.
The book's front cover shows protesters carrying the American flag
upside down, and inside are photos of members of Kerry's group --
Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- with clenched fist salutes and
some of the guys done up to look like Che Guevara.
Also included are photographs of Ramsey Clark, who was a lawyer for
Kerry's group. Clark went to North Vietnam and returned to report that
American prisoners of war were Kerry was not simply part of the
"anti-war" movement of the 1960s. Many of us opposed the Vietnam war
then for a variety of reasons. What Kerry did was accuse Americans
still fighting in Vietnam of widespread atrocities on a daily basis,
atrocities authorized all the way up the chain of command, atrocities
committed for racial reasons, doing
things to the Vietnamese that we would never do to Europeans.
No wonder Kerry doesn't want his 1971 book reprinted during an
election year. It would not fit in with the image he is trying to
create today.
see:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040825.shtml
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So we got a nation-wide scavenger hunt on, who will first find a copy
of this book and scan it on to the Internet? Then Kerry's negative
views of American soldiers will be out there for more to read.
Here's the cover: http://kerry-04.org/war/
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Liberals Hate America!
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: "The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book. LIBERALS ARE COWARDS! |
11 Oct 2004 06:34:09 AM |
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"Susan Cohen" <castin53@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c6811255.0410110238.6069e62a@posting.google.com...
"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book. LIBERALS ARE
COWARDS!
John Kerry's wrote a book in 1971 titled "The New Soldier." It is out
of print and Senator Kerry will not let it be reprinted.
Is he being asked to pay for it? You own stock in a vanity press?
The book's front cover shows protesters carrying the American flag
upside down, and inside are photos of members of Kerry's group --
Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- with clenched fist salutes and
some of the guys done up to look like Che Guevara.
Cool!
Also included are photographs of Ramsey Clark, who was a lawyer for
Kerry's group. Clark went to North Vietnam and returned to report that
American prisoners of war were Kerry was not simply part of the
"anti-war" movement of the 1960s.
I knew that.
Many of us opposed the Vietnam war
then for a variety of reasons.
Like what?
What Kerry did was accuse Americans
still fighting in Vietnam of widespread atrocities on a daily basis,
atrocities authorized all the way up the chain of command, atrocities
committed for racial reasons, doing
things to the Vietnamese that we would never do to Europeans.
The officers used to say, " I want to see more atrcocites guys."
No wonder Kerry doesn't want his 1971 book reprinted during an
election year. It would not fit in with the image he is trying to
create today.
Exactly. He should buy 1000 copies and autograph hem fo prosperity.
see:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040825.shtml
So we got a nation-wide scavenger hunt on, who will first find a copy
of this book and scan it on to the Internet? Then Kerry's negative
views of American soldiers will be out there for more to read.
try Amazon and ebay.
Here's the cover: http://kerry-04.org/war/
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Chinese accordions suck.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: "The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book. LIBERALS ARE COWARDS! |
11 Oct 2004 07:11:22 PM |
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On 11 Oct 2004 03:38:42 -0700, (Susan Cohen) wrote:
Only someone stupid enough to be a neocon would be taken in by this.
Susan Cohen wouldn't post this crap.
<PLONK!>
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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| Title: Re: "The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book. LIBERALS ARE COWARDS! |
13 Oct 2004 12:02:08 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:11:22 +0000, John Baker wrote:
On 11 Oct 2004 03:38:42 -0700, (Susan Cohen) wrote:
Only someone stupid enough to be a neocon would be taken in by this.
Susan Cohen wouldn't post this crap.
<PLONK!>
Unless you built a very good filter, you just plonked Susan.
This idiot has been spewing nonsense in everybody's name here (except for
Conservatives, of course). He is as far to the right as Jacobs is to the
left. Both of them need to find an empty newsgroup for themselves to
blather at, and leave discussion to the rest of us.
--
Besides, what would they say if I told them
I was hanging out with Vash The Stampede?
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| User: "Tom Betz" |
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| Title: Re: "The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book. LIBERALS ARE COWARDS! |
11 Oct 2004 09:04:24 AM |
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Quoth (Susan Cohen) in
news:c6811255.0410110238.6069e62a@posting.google.com:
So we got a nation-wide scavenger hunt on, who will first find a
copy of this book and scan it on to the Internet?
*yawn* Old news.
It's been available for months.
<http://www.freekerrybook.org/>
If it hasn't been changed since I downloaded it, the
download available there IS good reading. Inspiring, even. It
really doesn't support the case of the people who put up the web
site, hoping to damage Kerry.
Kerry was quite a kid. A look into his mind as a younger man
shows you the moral foundation he began to establish then for the
President he will become.
I find the epilogue particularly insightful:
Epilogue
And so a New Soldier has returned to America, to a nation
torn apart by the killing we were asked to do.
But, unlike veterans of other wars and some of this one, the
New Soldier does not accept the old myths.
We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day
waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died
for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not
accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American
Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars-in fact, we will find
it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand
relevancy such as other organizations have recently been
unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation
of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the
thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold
traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base
and grim.
It is from these things the New Soldier is asking America to
turn. We are asking America to turn from false glory, hollow
victory, fabricated foreign threats, fear which threatens us
as a nation, shallow pride which feeds off fear, and mostly
from the promises which have proven so deceiving these past
ten years.
For many of us there is little to remember but the promises
and, most poignantly, the loss of the symbols of those
promises -- of John and Robert Kennedy, of Martin Luther King,
Jr., of Medgar Evers, of Fred Hampton and Malcolm X, of
Allison Krause, Sandy Scheuer, Jeffrey Miller, and William
Schroeder from Kent State and Philip Gibbs and James Green
from Jackson State; the loss, too, of friends, of Richard
Pershing, Peter Johnson, Johnny White, Don Droz, and the other
53,000 Americans who have lost their lives in this degrading
and immoral war. The promises of peace candidates who were not
peacemakers; of civil rights laws which were not enforced; of
educational and medical aid which was downgraded in priority
below bombs and guns; of equal opportunity while
Mexican-Americans and blacks were drafted in numbers
disproportionate to their representation in this country and
then made up casualties in even greater disproportion.
I think that, more than anything, the New Soldier is trying
to point out how there are two Americas -- the one the
speeches are about and the one we really are. Rhetoric has
blinded us so much that we are unable to see the realities
which exist in this country.
We were sent to Vietnam to kill Communism. But we found
instead that we were killing women and children. We knew the
saying "War is hell" and we knew also that wars take their
toll in civilian casualties.
In Vietnam, though, the "greatest soldiers in the world,"
better armed and better equipped than the opposition,
unleashed the power of the greatest technology in the world
against thatch huts and mud paths.
In the process we created a nation of refugees, bomb craters,
amputees, orphans, widows, and prostitutes, and we gave new
meaning to the words of the Roman historian Tacitus: "Where
they made a desert they called it peace."
The New Soldier has come back determined to make changes
without making the world more unjust in the effort to make it
just. We have come back determined that human will can control
technology and that there is greater dignity and power in
human spirit than we have yet been willing to grant ourselves.
In Vietnam we made it particularly easy to deny that spirit.
We extended an indifference which has too often been part of
this country's history and made it easy for men to deal in
abstractions. "Oriental human beings" -- "gooks" -- "body
count" -- "Nape" -- "Waste 'em" -- "free-fire zone" -- "lf
they're dead, they're VC" -- the abstractions took command
from the commanders themselves and we realized too late that
we were the prisoners of our own neglect and callowness.
By discussing crimes committed in war, the New Soldier is
trying to break through the callowness and end the neglect.
Regardless of whether crimes have been committed in other wars
or even by the other side in this one, America must understand
how our participation in Vietnam and the methods and motives
used by American fighting men are part of a continuing
national moral standard. As New Soldiers we are seeking to
elevate that standard as well as to demonstrate where it has
been part of a significant illusion. Individuals are trying,
by denying themselves the luxury of forgetting about their
acts, to spare others the agony of having to commit them at
some time in the future.
This is not to say that all soldiers have departed Vietnam
with the same feelings about their military service. Certainly
not all veterans of this war are New Soldiers. Not all want to
be or even understand what many of their veteran
contemporaries are trying to say.
Even among the New Soldiers, in our hatred for the war and
our drive for change, there is a wide divergence on approaches
to change, or, for that matter, on what causes the need for
change. I know that my own views do not necessarily represent
the feelings of some Vietnam Veterans Against The War. But
among all there is an intense and deep-rooted agreement that
America has lost sight, hopefully only temporarily, of much
that we knew as our greatness.
The New Soldier does not have all the answers. We do not even
pretend to. Unquestionably we lack some of the depth of
experience from which to provide guidelines for many policy
questions. We are aware also of all the traditional arguments
-- that those in power have access to information, that
America can do no wrong, that America has particular interests
which it must safeguard, and so on. In reality, however, there
is a big difference between these arguments and what happens
to the people involved. In the end, the abstractions never
convey the reality of human life.
To be sure, those who make the decisions experience special
interest pressures which others, not directly involved in the
decisionmaking process, will not feel. Consequently, those on
the outside of the power spectrum find it easier to prescribe
solutions for the myriad problems we confront today. In their
simplicity these solutions sometimes ignore reality. But more
often they cut to the quick of the problem and those on the
outside of the power structure show in the absoluteness of
their criticisms and demands more wisdom, more moral strength,
more compassion, and far more willingness to consider what
effect the prescribed solution will have on people -- not the
people whose security and social welfare is already
guaranteed, but those thousands who are literally and
figuratively "in the street."
I myself went into the service with very little awareness of
the people in the streets. I accepted then and still accept
the idea of service to one's country. But because of all that
I saw in Vietnam, the treatment of civilians, the ravaging of
their countryside, the needless, useless deaths, the deception
and duplicity of our policy, I changed. Traditional
assumptions and expectations simply were not enough. I still
want to serve my country. I am still willing to pick up arms
and defend it -- die for it, if necessary. Now, however, I
will not go blindly because my government says that I must go.
I will not go unless we can make real our promises of
self-determination and justice at home. I will not go unless
the threat is a real one and we all know it to be so. I will
not go unless the people of this country decide for themselves
that we must all of us go.
J.K.
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George Bush's War of Choice on Iraq is a totally unnecessary war.
Every life lost, every limb lost, every disfigurement, every
disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
and on the hands of everyone who votes for George W. Bush.
For the facts on Iraq, see <http://optruth.org>.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: "The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book. LIBERALS ARECOWARDS! |
11 Oct 2004 09:09:42 AM |
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book. LIBERALS ARE
COWARDS!
Your not the real Susan Cohen.
Just another bloody faker.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
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| User: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello" |
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11 Oct 2004 11:43:10 PM |
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PLOY? PLOY? PLOY!
Gee DUHbya Is Sooooooooooo
FUCKING OUTTA HERE!
Buh Bye Boosh!
Three More Weeks!
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