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"J Young" |
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09 Sep 2005 09:41:01 PM |
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The Old Morality Still Matters |
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
Ask any homosexual activist whether it is any business of yours with
whom they choose to have sex, especially when that choice means someone
of the same gender. The answer will be unanimous: this is private,
consensual and none of your business! Of course, homosexual activist go
beyond even this.
The homosexual activist claims a right to openly live out their sexual
preference and we must accept it. They argue that what they do in the
privacy of their bedrooms is none of our business, and neither is it
our business if they hold hands in public.
The old morality, based on the Seventh Commandment, "Thou shalt not
commit adultery," argues that at least to some extent, the privacy of
the bedroom is everyone's concern. Yet most of us would agree that if
homosexuals kept their sexuality in the bedroom, we would likely look
the other way - unless they took captive one of our children.
As a matter of public policy, the old morality relegated homosexuality
to the closet. Kinsey, in his highly structured lie that passed as
research, told us that 10 percent of the male population was
homosexual. Leaping at these phony statistics, we have been told that
such large numbers - logically 28 million Americans - deserve
public recognition. But simply recognizing them soon failed to
accomplish their goal. They wanted more.
They wanted tolerance, and then acceptance. All the time, the
homosexual activists argued that they just wanted to be able to live
their lives the way God created them. Never mind that no serious
science has ever proven such a claim; Kinsey served their needs well
enough. So homosexual activists told America to shape up and accept
homosexuality just as we had other minority groups.
When we argued that being black is natural, not immoral, they argued
that governments should be neutral on issues dealing with moral
choices. One person's sense of morality differed with another, just
like some people liked beef and others, chicken. Whatever sexual
preference a person preferred is nothing more than that - sexual
preference. There would be no negative public ramifications from the
institution of such a government policy, they argued.
When we argued for limits on sexual activity, the homosexual activists
illogic offered them no real argument, save their own preference. We
see the mechanics used by homosexuals to gain sexual release as
immoral, sometimes animalistic and even barbaric, but only because,
they argued, we had a different sexual preference. Though when
confronted by some of the more extreme sexual preferences, the
homosexuals found themselves in a moral vacuum.
How could they oppose group sex when that was someone else's sexual
preference? How could they oppose cross dressing or transsexual surgery
when it would make someone else feel comfortable? (I still cannot
fathom having Debbie Davis, a male who dresses as a woman, serving as
my children's school librarian, as he does in a Minneapolis high
school.)
When they ran into strong opposition from public school children they
created new curriculum which they claimed had been perpetrated by the
old morality. So an entire generation has been taught that being
homosexual is no different than having freckles, and no freckle-faced
kid deserves derision. Generation X Christian in public schools were
fed this pabulum all through school. Whatever we call today's grade
schoolers are seeped in this putrifying sap of accepting all sexual
preferences as equal.
It's as if the founding fathers held hands and said, "God created
the unalienable right to unfettered sexual expression." They never
said it because they believed in the old morality. They built a nation
on those 10 Commandments, and they knew that a nation that snubbed God
held itself out for His judgment.
Why, then, should anyone have been surprised by the recent St. Paul
Pioneer Press article that explained how academia has now begun
championing pedophilia? Just like Judith Levine's perverted logic in
Harmful to Minors, the newspaper claims that within a generation or so,
Americans will accept not only same sex groping, but intergenerational
groping. They tell us that having sex with a willing little boy or girl
will be the rage, and society be damned - it is the sexual preference
of the parties.
Say what they might, homosexuals have no moral footing upon which to
stand to deny willing children their right to fornicate with whomever
they choose. By pointing at others and condemning their sexual
promiscuity, they will be pointed three fingers back at themselves.
Those of us who insisted the old morality provided the best guidance
for life have already been tagged as evil oppressors. To what will
those accusers point as their reference for limitations on adult-child
sex? How will they make the argument that what these perverted adults
do to children in the dark of a bedroom is wrong, while not
incriminating themselves?
Either we toss out all references to sexual sin and accept everything,
or we run toward the old morality. I think it is the difference between
life and death of millions of human beings. For to throw off the
restraint of the Seventh Commandment is to damn the other nine as well,
and then there is no restraint on humans, save brute force.
We need to reassert the absolute truth that God created all of us as
Adam and Eve, not Adam and Allen, or Eve and Evelyn. The old morality
still matters.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: The Old Morality Still Matters |
10 Sep 2005 11:27:28 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1126320061.631228.18510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
Subtitle: The Weather Report, by Chicken Little
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Those of us who insisted the old morality provided the best guidance
for life have already been tagged as evil oppressors.
Yawwn. Another martyr for the cause.
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Either we toss out all references to sexual sin and accept everything,
or we run toward the old morality.
Translation: Thinking is not an option.
....
For to throw off the
restraint of the Seventh Commandment is to damn the other nine as well,
and then there is no restraint on humans, save brute force.
< chuckle! >
You theists have been ignoring the Ten Commandments for some four thousand
years. It's a bit late to be getting your shorts in a knot.
....
Regards,
Josef
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| User: "Dale" |
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09 Sep 2005 11:50:44 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1126320061.631228.18510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
What would you know about morality? You're one of the most immoral people I
know of.
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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10 Sep 2005 02:33:24 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1126320061.631228.18510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
Ask any homosexual activist whether it is any business of yours with
whom they choose to have sex, especially when that choice means someone
of the same gender. The answer will be unanimous: this is private,
consensual and none of your business! Of course, homosexual activist go
beyond even this.
<Wake me up when you have finnished>
Can't someone from
alt.religion.christian
Sort this sad pervert out??
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| User: "Woden" |
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09 Sep 2005 09:53:44 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in news:1126320061.631228.18510
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
(snip all too typical xian hatred and intolerance)
We need to reassert the absolute truth that God created all of us as
Adam and Eve, not Adam and Allen, or Eve and Evelyn. The old morality
still matters.
How could an imaginary character like your god, create anything or anyone?
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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10 Sep 2005 03:43:50 AM |
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*The Old Morality Still Matters
J Young, do you *really* think that way?
If you say yes, get help, quick...
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| User: "Michael Altarriba" |
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10 Sep 2005 12:02:48 AM |
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I'm home sick, and I know you're just repeating someone else's
scribblings, but what the hell...
J Young wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
Ask any homosexual activist whether it is any business of yours with
whom they choose to have sex, especially when that choice means someone
of the same gender. The answer will be unanimous: this is private,
consensual and none of your business! Of course, homosexual activist go
beyond even this.
Ask pretty much *anyone* if what they do in their bedrooms is any of
your business, and they'll say "No", or, more likely, "Hell No!".
Do you think it's any of *my* business what *you* do in your bedroom?
The homosexual activist claims a right to openly live out their sexual
preference and we must accept it. They argue that what they do in the
privacy of their bedrooms is none of our business, and neither is it
our business if they hold hands in public.
Is it any of my business who you hold hands with in public?
The old morality, based on the Seventh Commandment, "Thou shalt not
commit adultery," argues that at least to some extent, the privacy of
the bedroom is everyone's concern. Yet most of us would agree that if
homosexuals kept their sexuality in the bedroom, we would likely look
the other way - unless they took captive one of our children.
Oy! Nice... just try to slip that "unless they took captive one of our
children" line and hope nobody noticed? Such subtlety... of course,
since most child abuse is perpetrated by married white guys who are
related to the child in question, you might watch where you point that
thing...
In any case, the concern with adultery (which, I'm sure, predates the
Commandment, btw) was mostly about men worrying that their property
(aka wives) was being messed with, or that they couldn't guarantee that
their kids were truly their descendents. It happens with other animals,
too, and should hardly come as a surprise.
As a matter of public policy, the old morality relegated homosexuality
to the closet.
*The* old morality? Are you trying to claim that there's just the one?
Besides which, depending on which culture and which time period you're
speaking of, homosexuality was more or less accepted than it is today.
The "closet" is hardly a constant across time and culture.
Kinsey, in his highly structured lie that passed as
research, told us that 10 percent of the male population was
homosexual. Leaping at these phony statistics, we have been told that
such large numbers - logically 28 million Americans - deserve
public recognition. But simply recognizing them soon failed to
accomplish their goal. They wanted more.
*They* want what any of us wants... to be left to live their lives
without some idiot denying them a job, or a home, or their safety or
even their lives just because said idiot thinks gays are "icky."
They wanted tolerance, and then acceptance. All the time, the
homosexual activists argued that they just wanted to be able to live
their lives the way God created them. Never mind that no serious
science has ever proven such a claim; Kinsey served their needs well
enough. So homosexual activists told America to shape up and accept
homosexuality just as we had other minority groups.
And we *shouldn't accept them... why?
When we argued that being black is natural, not immoral, they argued
that governments should be neutral on issues dealing with moral
choices. One person's sense of morality differed with another, just
like some people liked beef and others, chicken. Whatever sexual
preference a person preferred is nothing more than that - sexual
preference. There would be no negative public ramifications from the
institution of such a government policy, they argued.
Should we discriminate against the "unnatural" among us who persist in
their 'preference' for being left-handed?
When we argued for limits on sexual activity, the homosexual activists
illogic offered them no real argument, save their own preference. We
see the mechanics used by homosexuals to gain sexual release as
immoral, sometimes animalistic and even barbaric, but only because,
they argued, we had a different sexual preference. Though when
confronted by some of the more extreme sexual preferences, the
homosexuals found themselves in a moral vacuum.
Hate to break it to you, but homosexuals do the same things in bed that
heterosexuals do. Homosexuals are no more "extreme" than heterosexuals.
How could they oppose group sex when that was someone else's sexual
preference? How could they oppose cross dressing or transsexual surgery
when it would make someone else feel comfortable? (I still cannot
fathom having Debbie Davis, a male who dresses as a woman, serving as
my children's school librarian, as he does in a Minneapolis high
school.)
How did you jump from homosexuality to group sex, crossdressing or
transgendered people?
Your personal dislike of Debbie Davis is your problem... so long as she
does her job as librarian, your dislike is a non-issue.
When they ran into strong opposition from public school children they
created new curriculum which they claimed had been perpetrated by the
old morality.
Got any evidence to go with that wacky piece of bul.... um, assertion?
So an entire generation has been taught that being
homosexual is no different than having freckles, and no freckle-faced
kid deserves derision.
And you disagree with this position... why?
Generation X Christian in public schools were
fed this pabulum all through school. Whatever we call today's grade
schoolers are seeped in this putrifying sap of accepting all sexual
preferences as equal.
OOooooh.... "putrifying sap".... catchy.
I'll bet you were just as upset, and used the same phrasing a few years
back:
"Whatever we call today's grade schoolers are seeped in this putrifying
sap of accepting all *races* as equal."
It's a different tune, but the same stupid song...
It's as if the founding fathers held hands and said, "God created
the unalienable right to unfettered sexual expression." They never
said it because they believed in the old morality. They built a nation
on those 10 Commandments, and they knew that a nation that snubbed God
held itself out for His judgment.
You'll note that those Commandments are mentioned nowhere in the
Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, and that our Founding
Fathers expressly *did* separate religion from government.
Why, then, should anyone have been surprised by the recent St. Paul
Pioneer Press article that explained how academia has now begun
championing pedophilia?
Championing pedophilia? Why do you lie like this... do you think no one
will actually notice?
Just like Judith Levine's perverted logic in
Harmful to Minors, the newspaper claims that within a generation or so,
Americans will accept not only same sex groping, but intergenerational
groping. They tell us that having sex with a willing little boy or girl
will be the rage, and society be damned - it is the sexual preference
of the parties.
So, this person is now representative of "academia" as a whole? Wow...
I wonder why I've never heard of her... assuming any of this is
actually true, of course...
Say what they might, homosexuals have no moral footing upon which to
stand to deny willing children their right to fornicate with whomever
they choose. By pointing at others and condemning their sexual
promiscuity, they will be pointed three fingers back at themselves.
Silly boy... children are presumed to not be able to give informed
consent. Now, if three or five or ten *adults* want to have sex with
each other, it's their business, not yours and not mine.
Those of us who insisted the old morality provided the best guidance
for life have already been tagged as evil oppressors. To what will
those accusers point as their reference for limitations on adult-child
sex?
Two words.... "informed consent"... it's pretty simple, really...
How will they make the argument that what these perverted adults
do to children in the dark of a bedroom is wrong, while not
incriminating themselves?
Sex between adults and children, bad... sex between adults and adults,
OK.
Either we toss out all references to sexual sin and accept everything,
or we run toward the old morality. I think it is the difference between
life and death of millions of human beings. For to throw off the
restraint of the Seventh Commandment is to damn the other nine as well,
and then there is no restraint on humans, save brute force.
"Either we set the speed limit to the speed of light, or se set it to
zero... there are no other choices."
Do yourself a favor... google "false dichotomy." You might learn
something... if you try really, really hard.
We need to reassert the absolute truth that God created all of us as
Adam and Eve, not Adam and Allen, or Eve and Evelyn. The old morality
still matters.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thanks.... that was fun.
Got any more silliness for us, "J Young". I mean, you did post this as
a gag, right? No rational human could actually believe this nonsense...
could they?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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10 Sep 2005 01:35:42 AM |
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Michael Altarriba wrote:
I'm home sick, and I know you're just repeating someone else's
scribblings, but what the hell...
J Young wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
Ah yes, the good old days when morality meant you can't drink from the white
man's fountain and it was real hard getting served at a lunch counter.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Sep 2005 12:15:35 PM |
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In <1126320061.631228.18510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The Old Morality Still Matters
What would you know about morals?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "The Secretary of HomIntern" |
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| Title: Re: The Old Morality Still Matters |
11 Sep 2005 04:33:53 AM |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Mark K. Bilbo:
"J Young" wrote:
The Old Morality Still Matters
What would you know about morals?
He's heard rumours.
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Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant *****-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
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| User: "BYTE ME!" |
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09 Sep 2005 11:05:49 PM |
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J Young wrote:
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http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=3D331
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The Old Morality Still Matters
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Ask any homosexual activist whether it is any business of yours with
whom they choose to have sex, especially when that choice means someone=
of the same gender. The answer will be unanimous: this is private,
consensual and none of your business! Of course, homosexual activist go=
beyond even this.
They are right 100% none of your business.
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The homosexual activist claims a right to openly live out their sexual
preference and we must accept it. They argue that what they do in the
privacy of their bedrooms is none of our business, and neither is it
our business if they hold hands in public.
=20
They are 100% right, it is none of your business.
The old morality, based on the Seventh Commandment, "Thou shalt not
commit adultery," argues that at least to some extent, the privacy of
the bedroom is everyone's concern. Yet most of us would agree that if
homosexuals kept their sexuality in the bedroom, we would likely look
the other way - unless they took captive one of our children.
No need for you to look or look away. It is 100% none of your business.
Rest of bigot garbage deleted. It is still 100% none of your business.
--=20
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =
inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =
atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine
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| User: "No One" |
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10 Sep 2005 12:36:11 AM |
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"BYTE ME!" <donotreply@nowhere.com> writes:
J Young wrote:
<snip>
The homosexual activist claims a right to openly live out their
sexual preference and we must accept it. They argue that what they
do in the privacy of their bedrooms is none of our business, and
neither is it our business if they hold hands in public.
They are 100% right, it is none of your business.
As a data point, I once took BART after attending some cultural event
in San Francisco, and as I looked up from reading my program notes to
see where we were, there were two guys a few rows ahead kissing.
Nobody on the train batted an eyelash and nearly all the passengers
were straight. I met some friends (all married and straight) around
lunchtime the day the front page headlines in the local newspapers
announced that a same-sex marriage bill was passed by the legislature,
and nobody even mentioned it.
The only comment about gays was that the "conservatives" seem obsessed
with nothing else and the result is that the country is going to hell
in a handbasket because nothing is getting done about critical issues
such as deficits and infrastructure.
So, I'd say not only is it none of J. Young's business, but that most
straight folks don't think it is any of their business, and the
smarter straight folks are getting really ***** at these
sideshows as they are distracting us from some really serious issues
that, if ignored, will send this country down the toilet.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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11 Sep 2005 12:58:07 AM |
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J Young wrote:
The old morality still matters.
If that were true, Mr. Rudolph wouldn't be in jail.
--
People need insults. Most people behave so abominably that they cry out for abuse. Charity moves us to meet this need. Abuse is a form of attention, and a little accommodating attention makes anyone feel human again. Now f*** off, oh clueless blatherskite!
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| User: "maf1029 ©2001-2008" |
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11 Sep 2005 01:39:54 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:58:07 GMT, Dionisio
<moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
The old morality still matters.
If that were true, Mr. Rudolph wouldn't be in jail.
Free Leonard!!
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| User: "Jos Flachs - skip the aa" |
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11 Sep 2005 04:35:30 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:58:07 GMT, Dionisio
<moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
The old morality still matters.
If that were true, Mr. Rudolph wouldn't be in jail.
The chappie with the red nose?
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| User: "Del" |
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10 Sep 2005 08:52:08 PM |
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J Young wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
Cool! We can keep slaves, have multiple wives and concubines then!
Ask any homosexual activist whether it is any business of yours with
whom they choose to have sex, especially when that choice means som eone
of the same gender. The answer will be unanimous: this is private,
consensual and none of your business! Of course, homosexual activist go
beyond even this.
The homosexual activist claims a right to openly live out their sexual
preferenc e and we must accept it. They argue that what they do in the
privacy of their bedrooms is none of our business, and neither is it
our business if they hold hands in public.
The old morality, based on the Seventh Commandment, "Thou shalt not
com mit adultery," argues that at least to some extent, the privacy of
the bedroom is everyone's concern. Yet most of us would agree that if
homosexuals kept their sexuality in the bedroom, we would likely look
the other way - unless they took captive o ne of our children.
As a matter of public policy, the old morality relegated homosexuality
to the closet. Kinsey, in his highly structured lie that passed as
research, told us that 10 percent of the male population was
homosexual. Leaping at th ese phony statistics, we have been told that
such large numbers - logically 28 million Americans - deserve
public recognition. But simply recognizing them soon failed to
accomplish their goal. They wanted more.
They wanted tolerance, and then a cceptance. All the time, the
homosexual activists argued that they just wanted to be able to live
their lives the way God created them. Never mind that no serious
science has ever proven such a claim; Kinsey served their needs well
enough. So homo sexual activists told America to shape up and accept
homosexuality just as we had other minority groups.
When we argued that being black is natural, not immoral, they argued
that governments should be neutral on issues dealing with moral
choice s. One person's sense of morality differed with another, just
like some people liked beef and others, chicken. Whatever sexual
preference a person preferred is nothing more than that - sexual
preference. There would be no negative public ramifications from the
institution of such a government policy, they argued.
When we argued for limits on sexual activity, the homosexual activists
illogic offered them no real argument, save their own preference. We
see the mechanics used by homosexuals to gain sexual release as
immoral, sometimes animalistic and even barbaric, but only because,
they argued, we had a different sexual preference. Though when
confronted by some of the more extreme sexual preferences, the
homosexuals found themselve s in a moral vacuum.
How could they oppose group sex when that was someone else's sexual
preference? How could they oppose cross dressing or transsexual surgery
when it would make someone else feel comfortable? (I still cannot
fathom having Deb bie Davis, a male who dresses as a woman, serving as
my children's school librarian, as he does in a Minneapolis high
school.)
When they ran into strong opposition from public school children they
created new curriculum which they claimed had b een perpetrated by the
old morality. So an entire generation has been taught that being
homosexual is no different than having freckles, and no freckle-faced
kid deserves derision. Generation X Christian in public schools were
fed this pabulum all through school. Whatever we call today's grade
schoolers are seeped in this putrifying sap of accepting all sexual
preferences as equal.
It's as if the founding fathers held hands and said, "God created
the unalienable right to unfettered sexu al expression." They never
said it because they believed in the old morality. They built a nation
on those 10 Commandments, and they knew that a nation that snubbed God
held itself out for His judgment.
Why, then, should anyone have been surprised by the recent St. Paul
Pioneer Press article that explained how academia has now begun
championing pedophilia? Just like Judith Levine's perverted logic in
Harmful to Minors, the newspaper claims that within a generation or so,
Americans will accept not only same sex groping, but intergenerational
groping. They tell us that having sex with a willing little boy or girl
will be the rage, and society be damned - it is the sexual preference
of the parties.
Say what they might, homosexua ls have no moral footing upon which to
stand to deny willing children their right to fornicate with whomever
they choose. By pointing at others and condemning their sexual
promiscuity, they will be pointed three fingers back at themselves.
Thos e of us who insisted the old morality provided the best guidance
for life have already been tagged as evil oppressors. To what will
those accusers point as their reference for limitations on adult-child
sex? How will they make the argument that what these perverted adults
do to children in the dark of a bedroom is wrong, while not
incriminating themselves?
Either we toss out all references to sexual sin and accept everything,
or we run toward the old morality. I think it is the difference between
life and death of millions of human beings. For to throw off the
restraint of the Seventh Commandment is to damn the other nine as well,
and then there is no restraint on humans, save brute force.
We need to reassert the absolute truth that God created all of us as
Adam and Eve, not Adam and Allen, or Eve and Evelyn. The old morality
still matters.
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Not to the so called Jews ,specially the Zionist kind and faggots that
happen to be jews.
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1126320061.631228.18510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
Ask any homosexual activist whether it is any business of yours with
whom they choose to have sex, especially when that choice means someone
of the same gender. The answer will be unanimous: this is private,
consensual and none of your business! Of course, homosexual activist go
beyond even this.
The homosexual activist claims a right to openly live out their sexual
preference and we must accept it. They argue that what they do in the
privacy of their bedrooms is none of our business, and neither is it
our business if they hold hands in public.
The old morality, based on the Seventh Commandment, "Thou shalt not
commit adultery," argues that at least to some extent, the privacy of
the bedroom is everyone's concern. Yet most of us would agree that if
homosexuals kept their sexuality in the bedroom, we would likely look
the other way - unless they took captive one of our children.
As a matter of public policy, the old morality relegated homosexuality
to the closet. Kinsey, in his highly structured lie that passed as
research, told us that 10 percent of the male population was
homosexual. Leaping at these phony statistics, we have been told that
such large numbers - logically 28 million Americans - deserve
public recognition. But simply recognizing them soon failed to
accomplish their goal. They wanted more.
They wanted tolerance, and then acceptance. All the time, the
homosexual activists argued that they just wanted to be able to live
their lives the way God created them. Never mind that no serious
science has ever proven such a claim; Kinsey served their needs well
enough. So homosexual activists told America to shape up and accept
homosexuality just as we had other minority groups.
When we argued that being black is natural, not immoral, they argued
that governments should be neutral on issues dealing with moral
choices. One person's sense of morality differed with another, just
like some people liked beef and others, chicken. Whatever sexual
preference a person preferred is nothing more than that - sexual
preference. There would be no negative public ramifications from the
institution of such a government policy, they argued.
When we argued for limits on sexual activity, the homosexual activists
illogic offered them no real argument, save their own preference. We
see the mechanics used by homosexuals to gain sexual release as
immoral, sometimes animalistic and even barbaric, but only because,
they argued, we had a different sexual preference. Though when
confronted by some of the more extreme sexual preferences, the
homosexuals found themselves in a moral vacuum.
How could they oppose group sex when that was someone else's sexual
preference? How could they oppose cross dressing or transsexual surgery
when it would make someone else feel comfortable? (I still cannot
fathom having Debbie Davis, a male who dresses as a woman, serving as
my children's school librarian, as he does in a Minneapolis high
school.)
When they ran into strong opposition from public school children they
created new curriculum which they claimed had been perpetrated by the
old morality. So an entire generation has been taught that being
homosexual is no different than having freckles, and no freckle-faced
kid deserves derision. Generation X Christian in public schools were
fed this pabulum all through school. Whatever we call today's grade
schoolers are seeped in this putrifying sap of accepting all sexual
preferences as equal.
It's as if the founding fathers held hands and said, "God created
the unalienable right to unfettered sexual expression." They never
said it because they believed in the old morality. They built a nation
on those 10 Commandments, and they knew that a nation that snubbed God
held itself out for His judgment.
Why, then, should anyone have been surprised by the recent St. Paul
Pioneer Press article that explained how academia has now begun
championing pedophilia? Just like Judith Levine's perverted logic in
Harmful to Minors, the newspaper claims that within a generation or so,
Americans will accept not only same sex groping, but intergenerational
groping. They tell us that having sex with a willing little boy or girl
will be the rage, and society be damned - it is the sexual preference
of the parties.
Say what they might, homosexuals have no moral footing upon which to
stand to deny willing children their right to fornicate with whomever
they choose. By pointing at others and condemning their sexual
promiscuity, they will be pointed three fingers back at themselves.
Those of us who insisted the old morality provided the best guidance
for life have already been tagged as evil oppressors. To what will
those accusers point as their reference for limitations on adult-child
sex? How will they make the argument that what these perverted adults
do to children in the dark of a bedroom is wrong, while not
incriminating themselves?
Either we toss out all references to sexual sin and accept everything,
or we run toward the old morality. I think it is the difference between
life and death of millions of human beings. For to throw off the
restraint of the Seventh Commandment is to damn the other nine as well,
and then there is no restraint on humans, save brute force.
We need to reassert the absolute truth that God created all of us as
Adam and Eve, not Adam and Allen, or Eve and Evelyn. The old morality
still matters.
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09 Sep 2005 10:46:59 PM |
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On 9 Sep 2005 19:41:01 -0700,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" parroted another writer's
ignorant HATE-swill by spewing it herein --
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
"The Old Morality Still Matters"
By Dave Racer, www.daveracer.com
June 26, 2002
LOL!!! The last remaining KKK members regard segregation to
have been the "old morality," and think that it mattered. That's
and example of how bone-DUMB *that* premise is. (This response
is directed both to the parrot, and to Dave Racer, to whom it is
being forwarded.
Ask any homosexual activist...
...or any fair-minded and egalitarian HETEROsexual **ally** of the
gay community in their reasonable quest for *non*-discrimination and
**equal** rights... who, interestingly, outnumber the gays, themeselves,
by a ratio of 9-to-1...
...whether it is any business of yours with whom they choose to
have sex, especially when that choice means someone of the same
gender. The answer will be unanimous: this is private, consensual
and none of your business!
Precisely! but trust ignorant LOSERS like *you* to be mindless
busybodies with no worthwhile lives. Pathetic.
Of course, homosexual activist go beyond even this.
Just as the freedom-fighters known as Civil Rights activists did,
40 years ago, before the loathsome agendas of the bigots of *those*
dark days became very properly extinct.
The homosexual activist claims a right to openly live out their
sexual [orientation] and we must accept it.
ROTFL!!!! People like the idiot who wrote this bogus nonsense
are total fools. That's like "accepting" that a person has blue eyes
or is left handed. TRIVIAL. And it takes a truly **mindless** loser to
be upset over such trivial things.
Anti-gay-rights jerks have one thing in common (besides their
obvious bigotry and ignorance): they are society's **laughingstocks**
in the eyes of intelligent and SENSIBLE people.
They argue that what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms is
none of our business, ...
And GEE!!! guess what??? They are RIGHT!!
That is ABSOLUTELY no one else's business. NONE, whatsoever.
(And the bigots wonder why **sensible** and egalitarian people are
laughing so hard at them!)
...and neither is it our business if they hold hands in public.
CLUE, loser. That's what people who love each other DO.
Regardless of gender composition. If that upsets you, you need to
become a hermit. Or apply for residency in the nearest cackle
factory. Because you are crazier than a barn owl!
The old morality, based on the Seventh Commandment, "Thou
shalt not commit adultery," argues that at least to some extent, the
privacy of the bedroom is everyone's concern.
(1) You obviously are too dumb to know what adultery is.
(2) You also seem to be stupid enough to think that ANY
verse in the Bible even *exists* which authorizes any
person to act as an ENFORCER of its precepts.
(There are probably several excellent reasons for that.
Not the least of which is the fact that most loons like
you don't know what many of those precepts even
ARE. And to make matters worse, listen to cult
leaders who keep conjuring up bogus ones of their
own.) The Bible appointed NO Gestapo.
(3) The privacy of any person's bedroom is of NO
concern whatsoever to any *other* person in
possession of a working mind -- unless that person
happens to be there by invitation of the first person.
(4) Not that it makes any difference, considering the
points above, but there also is the fact that the
Bible is **meaningless** to one out of ever 6 people
in the USA. (And even fewer in Europe.) (So *those*
people have even MORE reason to regard you as
the laughingstock that you are.)
Yet most of us would agree that if homosexuals kept their
sexuality in the bedroom, we would likely look the other way --
unless they took captive one of our children.
(If they ever did that to the writer of this article, they'd probably
be doing his kids a favor.)
And -- NAW -- that's a lie. Because I'm betting that you
can't cite so much as one single instance of gay people perfor-
ming a sex act in public. (And even if you could, it's likely that
there would be MORE **heterosexuals** that had done so... so
what could your point possibly be?)
As a matter of public policy, the old morality...
("Old morality." ROTFL!!!! That would be the "old busybodyism,"
and you are still afflicted by it.)
...relegated homosexuality to the closet.
And segregationists relegated blacks to substandard and
scarce facilities. Same stupidity.
Kinsey, in his highly structured lie...
LOL!!!! Perhaps, since lies are something you clearly are
an expert at delivering.
...told us that 10 percent of the male population was homosexual.
It's probably not. But it is VERY likely to be 5%. And that means
boneheaded, bigoted, and hateful you -- are willing to discriminate
against FIFTEEN MILLION Americans -- over a mere **triviality**!
(From here on, it went downhill FAST, folks, and the author
of this article made a TOTAL bigoted fool of himself. Rather than
waste more time debunking his mindless hate-swill, feel free to see
it for yourself (if you're into masochism) at the link provided at the
top of this post.)
(This article was written 3 years ago. I wonder if its writer has
outgrown any of his ludicrous bigotry since then?)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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10 Sep 2005 12:12:18 AM |
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(This article was written 3 years ago. I wonder if its writer has
outgrown any of his ludicrous bigotry since then?)
Doesn't look like it. It's on his page of 'current' editorials. (
http://www.daveracer.com/editcurrent.htm ) And it looks like he's still
a raging homophobe. Ah well. Some people just never grow up.
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10 Sep 2005 05:10:36 AM |
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On 9 Sep 2005 19:41:01 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1126320061.631228.18510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
Ask any homosexual activist whether it is any business of yours with
whom they choose to have sex, especially when that choice means someone
of the same gender. The answer will be unanimous: this is private,
consensual and none of your business! Of course, homosexual activist go
beyond even this.
The homosexual activist claims a right to openly live out their sexual
preference and we must accept it. They argue that what they do in the
privacy of their bedrooms is none of our business, and neither is it
our business if they hold hands in public.
The old morality, based on the Seventh Commandment,
Which is forcing religion on the general population, which is illegal.
"Thou shalt not
commit adultery," argues that at least to some extent, the privacy of
the bedroom is everyone's concern. Yet most of us would agree that if
homosexuals kept their sexuality in the bedroom, we would likely look
the other way - unless they took captive one of our children.
As a matter of public policy, the old morality relegated homosexuality
to the closet. Kinsey, in his highly structured lie that passed as
research, told us that 10 percent of the male population was
homosexual. Leaping at these phony statistics, we have been told that
such large numbers - logically 28 million Americans - deserve
public recognition. But simply recognizing them soon failed to
accomplish their goal. They wanted more.
They wanted tolerance, and then acceptance. All the time, the
homosexual activists argued that they just wanted to be able to live
their lives the way God
Prove any god exists.
created them. Never mind that no serious
science has ever proven such a claim; Kinsey served their needs well
enough. So homosexual activists told America to shape up and accept
homosexuality just as we had other minority groups.
When we argued that being black is natural, not immoral, they argued
that governments should be neutral on issues dealing with moral
choices. One person's sense of morality differed with another, just
like some people liked beef and others, chicken. Whatever sexual
preference a person preferred is nothing more than that - sexual
preference. There would be no negative public ramifications from the
institution of such a government policy, they argued.
When we argued for limits on sexual activity, the homosexual activists
illogic offered them no real argument, save their own preference. We
see the mechanics used by homosexuals to gain sexual release as
immoral, sometimes animalistic and even barbaric, but only because,
they argued, we had a different sexual preference. Though when
confronted by some of the more extreme sexual preferences, the
homosexuals found themselves in a moral vacuum.
How could they oppose group sex when that was someone else's sexual
preference? How could they oppose cross dressing or transsexual surgery
when it would make someone else feel comfortable? (I still cannot
fathom having Debbie Davis, a male who dresses as a woman, serving as
my children's school librarian, as he does in a Minneapolis high
school.)
When they ran into strong opposition from public school children they
created new curriculum which they claimed had been perpetrated by the
old morality. So an entire generation has been taught that being
homosexual is no different than having freckles, and no freckle-faced
kid deserves derision. Generation X Christian
Religion is not a factor in school issues. By law.
in public schools were
fed this pabulum all through school. Whatever we call today's grade
schoolers are seeped in this putrifying sap of accepting all sexual
preferences as equal.
It's as if the founding fathers held hands and said, "God created
the unalienable right to unfettered sexual expression." They never
said it because they believed in the old morality. They built a nation
on those 10 Commandments, and they knew that a nation that snubbed God
held itself out for His judgment.
Prove any god exists. If you do that prove it made any commandments.
Why, then, should anyone have been surprised by the recent St. Paul
Pioneer Press article that explained how academia has now begun
championing pedophilia? Just like Judith Levine's perverted logic in
Harmful to Minors, the newspaper claims that within a generation or so,
Americans will accept not only same sex groping, but intergenerational
groping. They tell us that having sex with a willing little boy or girl
will be the rage, and society be damned - it is the sexual preference
of the parties.
Say what they might, homosexuals have no moral footing upon which to
stand to deny willing children their right to fornicate with whomever
they choose. By pointing at others and condemning their sexual
promiscuity, they will be pointed three fingers back at themselves.
Those of us who insisted the old morality provided the best guidance
for life have already been tagged as evil oppressors.
Only if you try to force it on anyone else.
To what will
those accusers point as their reference for limitations on adult-child
sex? How will they make the argument that what these perverted adults
do to children in the dark of a bedroom is wrong, while not
incriminating themselves?
Either we toss out all references to sexual sin
Sin is a religious concept as and such has no place in a discussion of
general public issues.
and accept everything,
or we run toward the old morality. I think it is the difference between
life and death of millions of human beings. For to throw off the
restraint of the Seventh Commandment is to damn the other nine as well,
and then there is no restraint on humans, save brute force.
How about the majority that now ignores your commandments? As well as
your religion?
We need to reassert the absolute truth that God
Again. prove any god exists.
created all of us as
Adam and Eve,
Prove that.
not Adam and Allen, or Eve and Evelyn. The old morality
still matters.
Of course, this entire comment is off topic in alt.abortion.
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09 Sep 2005 10:41:41 PM |
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On 9 Sep 2005 19:41:01 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote
in message <1126320061.631228.18510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
Your mindless cut and paste trolling is getting old. Try something
else for a change. Like thinking for yourself, perhaps.
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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10 Sep 2005 05:18:45 AM |
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On 9 Sep 2005 19:41:01 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
Ask any homosexual activist...
Are you still chasing little girls, I Ben?
Sicko.
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| User: "LC" |
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10 Sep 2005 09:27:24 AM |
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Schizophrenic loon "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> aka "IBen Getiner"
<lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1126320061.631228.18510@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=331
The Old Morality Still Matters
Ask any homosexual activist whether it is any business of yours with
whom they choose to have sex, especially when that choice means someone
of the same gender. The answer will be unanimous: this is private,
consensual and none of your business! Of course, homosexual activist go
beyond even this.
<Most of IBen's cut and paste tripe dumped>
"You seem to spend alot of time,thought,and energy thinking about and
writing about homosexuals. I wonder..........?????"
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID:
We need to reassert the absolute truth that God created all of us as
Adam and Eve, not Adam and Allen, or Eve and Evelyn. The old morality
still matters.
"I ain't a Bible thumper I keep telling you."~"Jon Young", AKA "IBen", in
message
LC~ "J/IBen" has many "opinions", most of which change daily.
"Porn strars? I love porn stars!God bless them."
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.0404240901.7eb55105@posting.google.com>
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10 Sep 2005 08:21:20 AM |
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he Marrying Kind
Why social conservatives should support same-sex marriage
by Jonathan Rauch
......
Last year the Census Bureau reported a statistic that deserved wider
notice than it received: during the 1990s the number of unmarried-partner
households in the United States increased by 72 percent. Cohabitation has
actually been on the rise for decades, but it started from a small base.
Now the numbers (more than five million cohabiting couples) are beginning
to look impressive.
Marriage, meanwhile, is headed in the other direction. The annual number
of weddings per 1,000 eligible women fell by more than a third from 1970
to 1996. A lot of factors are at work herefor example, people are marrying
laterbut it seems clear that one of them is the rise in cohabitation.
Couples are simply more willing to live together without tying the knot.
Whether this is a bad thing is a contentious question, but it is almost
certainly not a good thing. Cohabitation tends to be both less stable and
less happy than marriage, and this appears to be true even after
accounting for the possibility that the cohabiting type of person may
often be different from the marrying type. Research suggests that marriage
itself brings something beneficial to the table. Add the fact that a
growing share of cohabiting householdsnow more than a third of themcontain
children, and it is hard to be enthusiastic about the trend.
Whom to blame? In part, homosexual couples like me and my partner.
Cohabitation used to be stigmatized. "Living in sin" it has been called in
recent memory, even among the educated classes. Today cohabitation is
often viewed as a different-but-equal alternative to wedlock. Although the
drift toward cohabitation would no doubt have happened anyway, the growing
visibility and acceptance of same-sex couples probably speeded the change.
As one gay activist told the Los Angeles Times last year, "Just the term
'unmarried partner' gave it a dignity and social category."
So (conservatives say) it's true! Homosexuals undermine marriage! To the
contrary. The culprit is not the presence of same-sex couples; it is the
absence of same-sex marriage.
The emergence into the open of same-sex relationships is an irreversible
fact in this country. Traditionalists may not like it, but they cannot
change it, so they will have to decide how to deal with it. The far
right's plantry to push homosexuals back into the closetis not going to
work; the majority of Americans are too openhearted for that. Indeed, the
currents of public opinion are
running the other way. An annual survey of college freshmen found that
last year 58 percenta record high, and up from 51 percent in 1997thought
that same-sex couples should be able to marry.
Seeing those numbers and others like them, conservatives are desperate to
stave off same-sex marriage. For that matter, many moderates remain queasy
about legalizing gay marriage; they are sympathetic to homosexuals, but
not that sympathetic. Liberation-minded leftists, who spent the 1970s
telling us that our parents' marriages were outdated and stuffy, were
never crazy about matrimony to begin with. As for gays, the vast majority
want the right to marry, but most agree that domestic-partner benefits and
other "marriage-lite" arrangements are a lot better than nothing.
The result is the ABM Pact: Anything But Marriage. Enroll same-sex
partners in the company health plan, give them some of the legal
prerogatives of spousehood, attend their commitment ceremonies, let them
register at city hall as partnersjust DON'T CALL IT MARRIAGE. In America,
and in Europe, too, ABM is rapidly establishing itself as the compromise
of choice. Gay partnerships get some social and legal recognition,
marriage remains the union of man and woman, and everybody moves on. A
shrewd social bargain, no?
No. The last thing supporters of marriage should be doing is setting up an
assortment of alternatives, but that is exactly what the ABM Pact does,
and not only for gays. Every year more companies and governments (at the
state and local level) grant marriagelike
benefits to cohabiting partners: "concessions fought for and won mostly by
gay groups," as the Los Angeles Times notes, "but enjoyed as well by the
much larger population of heterosexual unmarried couples." To which might
be added what I think of as the Will &
Grace effect: homosexuals are here, we're queer, and nowadays we're kind
of cool. ABM, perversely, turns one of the country's more culturally
visible minorities into an advertisement for just howcool and successful
life outside of wedlock can be.
I doubt that most homosexuals would take their marital vows less seriously
than heterosexuals do, as some conservatives insist. Even if I'm wrong,
however, surely the exemplary power of failed or unfaithful gay marriages
would pale next to the example currently being set by a whole group an
increasingly fashionable group among
whom love and romance and sex and commitment flourish entirely outside of
marriage. And can you imagine social conservatives telling any other group
to cohabit rather than marry? Can you imagine them saying, "The young men
of America's inner cities won't take marriage as seriously as they should,
so let's encourage them to shack up with their girlfriends"?
Those who worry about the example gays would set by marrying should be
much more worried about the example gays are already setting by not
marrying. In getting this backward the advocates of ABM make a mistake
that is both ironic and sad. At a time when marriage needs all the support
and participation it can get, homosexuals are pleading to move beyond
cohabitation. We want the licenses, the vows, the rings, the honeymoons,
the anniversaries, the benefits, and, yes, the responsibilities and the
routines. And who is telling us to just shack up instead?
Self-styled friends of matrimony.
Someday conservatives will look back and wonder why they undermined
marriage in an effort to keep homosexuals out.
Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/05/rauch.htm
+================================+
Pax Christi,
• Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
Jesus is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
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http://www.MCCchurch.org
The Bible Site - help provide free scripture
http://www.thebiblesite.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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10 Sep 2005 09:21:29 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:21:20 GMT,
RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk (• Ninure Saunders) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<RainbowChristiannohate-1009050838530001@h-68-164-224-84.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net>
wrote:
Still off topic.
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| User: "The Secretary of HomIntern" |
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11 Sep 2005 04:30:10 AM |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to Attila:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:21:20 GMT, • Ninure Saunders in alt.abortion wrote:
Still off topic.
So? The whole thread's off-topic, in at least most of these groups...
--
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Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant *****-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
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10 Sep 2005 09:55:26 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:21:20 GMT,
RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk (• Ninure Saunders) wrote:
he Marrying Kind
Why social conservatives should support same-sex marriag
No reasonable reason given. The Facts are presented here:
GAY RIGHTS: Bills and Proposals
Survey Organization: Quinnipiac University
Question: Would you support or oppose a law that would allow same-sex
couples to form civil unions, giving them many of the legal rights of
married couples?
Support Oppose Don't know/No answer
Black 27% 61% 12%
Hispanic 41% 53% 6%
White 41% 52% 7%
Sample: 1,865 registered voters
Methodology: Telephone interview conducted March 16-22, 2004
Note: Percentages may not add to 100 percent because of rounding
Survey Organization: Quinnipiac University
Question: Would you support or oppose a law that would allow same-sex
couples to get married?
Support Oppose Don't know/No answer
Black 22% 69% 9%
Hispanic 35% 59% 6%
White 31% 64% 5%
Sample: 1,865 registered voters
Methodology: Telephone interview conducted March 16-22, 2004
Note: Percentages may not add to 100 percent because of rounding
Support and protect traditional institutions and values
There is a big difference between tolerating private behavior between
consenting adults and endorsing such behavior by granting legal
protections. Giving domestic partners benefits and special privileges
legitimizes same-sex relationships even though they can’t create
children, which is the major reason underlying government’s
traditional protection of marriage and family. Same-sex relationships
are also deeply offensive to many Americans, often based on religious
beliefs. Marriage is not just about love and commitment, but about the
stability of family, which is the linchpin of society. We’re already
seeing the social damage caused by families weakened by divorce and
single-parent households. Granting new rights and benefits to gays and
lesbians benefits and inheritance rights would crush one of the
pillars of stable, civil society.
# Inact legislation to strengthen and support traditional families --
like a constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between a
man and a woman.
# Allow employers and landlords to live by their moral and religious
codes.
# Prevent gays and lesbians from getting any special legal rights or
protections
# Reinstate the ban on gays and lesbians serving in the military.
# Ban adoptions by gay parents.
# Prohibit public schools from incorporating discussions about
homosexuality into curriculum.
* We shouldn’t be granting special rights to people based on their
behavior, particularly when it involves activities that many Americans
find deeply disturbing. Civil rights protections should extend to
citizens based only on qualities no one can help, such as their color,
gender or disability, not their behavior. New hate-crime legislation
is unnecessary because gays and lesbians already are protected by laws
against murder and assault
* Government has a responsibility to protect relationships that
strengthen society. While tolerance for gays has varied historically,
there’s a reason societies have never considered same-sex couples to
be married, with full property and child-rearing rights.
* Requiring employers to grant domestic partner benefits not only
legitimizes such relationships, but also imposes financial burdens.
For example, health insurance premiums might go up. It also would
encourage endless haggling over who should share in employee benefits.
* Religious employees, employers and citizens should not be forced
into the dilemma of either violating their faiths’ teachings or
breaking the law when the refuse to hire or rent to homosexuals.
* Allowing gays and lesbians in the military will undermine the
armed forces’ ability to preserve order and morale among the troops,
and thus the ability to fight wars.
Arguments Against This Approach
* The government should not be extending rights and benefits to
people based on behavior, including sexuality. Protections for blacks,
women and the disabled -- who are born with those traits -- cannot be
compared with homosexuals, who can control how they act. No one else
gets benefits based on behavior.
* If consensual sexual behavior were the standard for receiving
government spousal benefits, we would therefore also have to give
benefits to unmarried men and women living together. This will
introduce an endless battle over whose "relationship" is serious
enough and whose is not.
* Recognizing gay and lesbian unions will erode the institution of
marriage. Since society began, marriage has been a sacred bond between
a man and a woman, and the foundation of a stable society.
* Granting rights to gays and lesbians effectively sends the
message that their lifestyle is condoned in our society. Many
Americans have strong personal beliefs, often based on deep religious
beliefs, that such behavior is unacceptable and certainly should not
be encouraged.
There is a big difference between tolerating private behavior between
consenting adults and endorsing such behavior by granting those adults
special benefits. The family has evolved over thousands of years as
the linchpin of society. Government needs to support and protect
traditional values and institutions that form the pillars of a stable,
civil society.
Survey shows opposition to same-sex marriage
Gay activists say the American judicial system is beginning to catch
up with modern society.
In June the Supreme Court ruled that anti-sodomy laws are
unconstitutional. (Full story) On June 10, an appeals court in the
Canadian province of Ontario struck down a ban on same-sex marriage.
But a majority of people surveyed in late October said gay marriages
should not be legally recognized, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup
poll. According to the survey, 61 percent said no when asked whether
gay marriages should be recognized as valid by law. Thirty-five
percent said yes.
The poll, taken October 24-26, surveyed 1,006 people and had an error
margin of plus or minus three percentage points.
The same poll showed sharp difference on the issue based on gender.
According to the survey, 70 percent of men said no to legalizing gay
marriage while 26 percent supported such unions. The survey showed
that 53 percent of women opposed gay marriages, while 43 percent
supported legalizing them. The question posed by gender had a sampling
error of plus or minus five percentage points.
Sex between male and female has an ultimate purpose; the perpetuation
of the species. Homosexuality serves no purpose in the scheme of
mankind. Homosexuality could vanish from all societies on the face of
the earth in the next instant and it would never be missed. No one
could be foolish enough to think that can truthfully be said about
heterosexuality.
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to default@easynews, aka Widdle Bill
Taylor:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:21:20 GMT, • Ninure Saunders wrote:
he Marrying Kind
Why social conservatives should support same-sex marriag
No reasonable reason given. The Facts are presented here:
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Those aren't "facts", they're just an assemblage of opinions.
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