Religions > Atheism > The Only Scientific And Logical Conclusion Is................
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26 Jan 2006 10:44:35 PM |
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The Only Scientific And Logical Conclusion Is................ |
"The law of increasing entropy is an impenetrable barrier which no evolutionary
mechanism yet suggested has ever been able to overcome. Evolution and entropy
are opposing and mutually exclusive concepts.
If the entropy principle is really a universal law, then evolution must be impossible.
The very terms themselves express contradictory concepts. The word "evolution"
is of course derived from a Latin word meaning "out-rolling". The picture is of an
outward-progressing spiral."
"Thus, the Second Law proves, as certainly as science can prove anything whatever,
that the universe had a beginning. Similarly, the First Law shows that the universe
could not have begun itself. The most scientific and logical conclusion to which we
could possibly come is that: "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth."
-- H.Morris
When we consider the laws of thermodynamics and origins, the
above can be the only possible conclusion of the rational mind.
~ Andrew
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: The Only Scientific And Logical Conclusion Is................ |
29 Jan 2006 11:55:30 AM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:23:20 -0600, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in alt.atheism
In alt.atheism On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:04:41 GMT, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"Elmer" wrote in message news:ClyCf.965$qg.86@news01.roc.ny...
Andrew wrote:
Now we are making progress. At least we agree on the Laws of
Thermodynamics with the implications as to the above.
Why is that almost no one in the scientific community agrees that SLOT
prohibits evolution? It's because it doesn't.
It prohibits abiogenesis and macroevolution
It does neither of those, you fucking moron.
He's not that evolved.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: The Only Scientific And Logical Conclusion Is................ |
27 Jan 2006 09:22:04 PM |
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On 27 Jan 2006 14:34:48 -0800, "William T. Goat"
<ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
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Andrew wrote:
"Puck Greenman" wrote in message news:utkkt1tukamkoviajss4l967pkd7vgo7v8@4ax.com...
You read half of the story, and leave out the important distinctions,
like "Closed system", and "Open system"..
The Universe is a "Closed system" and subject to these established laws. The Second
Law of Thermodynamics proves, as certainly as science can prove anything whatever,
that the universe had a beginning. Similarly, the First Law shows that the universe could
not have begun itself. Therefore, the most logical and scientific conclusion to which the
honest mind could possibly come to is that: "In the beginning, God created the heavens
and the earth."
Andrew
Surely we should keep an open mind about this. It could have been
someone other than God. Why assume it was God? It could have been
anyone, so let's not jump to conclusions.
--Billy
It's the 'using Science' to disprove Science that I find incredibly
amusing!
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| User: "Andrew" |
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| Title: Re: The Only Scientific And Logical Conclusion Is................ |
28 Jan 2006 12:04:56 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message news:hpolt11jps57adm8udpinev70nl9nn276l@4ax.com...
On 27 Jan 2006 14:34:48 -0800, "William T. Goat"
<ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
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Andrew wrote:
"Puck Greenman" wrote in message news:utkkt1tukamkoviajss4l967pkd7vgo7v8@4ax.com...
You read half of the story, and leave out the important distinctions,
like "Closed system", and "Open system"..
The Universe is a "Closed system" and subject to these established laws. The Second
Law of Thermodynamics proves, as certainly as science can prove anything whatever,
that the universe had a beginning. Similarly, the First Law shows that the universe could
not have begun itself. Therefore, the most logical and scientific conclusion to which the
honest mind could possibly come to is that: "In the beginning, God created the heavens
and the earth."
Andrew
Surely we should keep an open mind about this. It could have been
someone other than God. Why assume it was God? It could have been
anyone, so let's not jump to conclusions.
--Billy
It's the 'using Science' to disprove Science that I find incredibly amusing!
No, it's 'using Science' to point out obvious truth. Think!
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| User: "Tim K." |
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| Title: Re: The Only Scientific And Logical Conclusion Is................ |
28 Jan 2006 06:44:01 AM |
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"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:cQDCf.5073$1n4.4121@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
No, it's 'using Science' to point out obvious truth. Think!
Everything you've written can be easily dismissed by spending less than 5
minutes reading a beginning chemistry book.
Try it, you won't look quite so stupid in the future.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: The Only Scientific And Logical Conclusion Is................ |
28 Jan 2006 09:09:16 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:44:01 GMT, "Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:cQDCf.5073$1n4.4121@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
No, it's 'using Science' to point out obvious truth. Think!
Everything you've written can be easily dismissed by spending less than 5
minutes reading a beginning chemistry book.
Try it, you won't look quite so stupid in the future.
What, and looking up the formulae for anti-psychotic drugs?
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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28 Jan 2006 02:24:07 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:44:01 GMT, "Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:cQDCf.5073$1n4.4121@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
No, it's 'using Science' to point out obvious truth. Think!
Everything you've written can be easily dismissed by spending less than 5
minutes reading a beginning chemistry book.
Try it, you won't look quite so stupid in the future.
Wanna bet?
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Tim K." |
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| Title: Re: Re: The Only Scientific And Logical Conclusion Is................ |
28 Jan 2006 02:35:00 PM |
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"Puck Greenman" <sidhe@the.hollow.hills.fey> wrote in message
news:csknt1hnk2c5g867mr4rk0gbfasvkcnpd5@4ax.com...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:44:01 GMT, "Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:cQDCf.5073$1n4.4121@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
No, it's 'using Science' to point out obvious truth. Think!
Everything you've written can be easily dismissed by spending less than 5
minutes reading a beginning chemistry book.
Try it, you won't look quite so stupid in the future.
Wanna bet?
Not me man.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: The Only Scientific And Logical Conclusion Is................ |
28 Jan 2006 06:02:22 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:04:56 GMT, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message news:hpolt11jps57adm8udpinev70nl9nn276l@4ax.com...
On 27 Jan 2006 14:34:48 -0800, "William T. Goat"
<ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1138401288.912596.18180@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
[]
It's the 'using Science' to disprove Science that I find incredibly amusing!
No, it's 'using Science' to point out obvious truth. Think!
He is. You can't.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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27 Jan 2006 05:29:34 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:13:16 GMT, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
"Puck Greenman" wrote in message news:utkkt1tukamkoviajss4l967pkd7vgo7v8@4ax.com...
You read half of the story, and leave out the important distinctions,
like "Closed system", and "Open system"..
The Universe is a "Closed system" and subject to these established laws.
True, bur within that closed system, there are localised, open
systems.
It is these localised open systems that make evolution, possible.
The planets around a radiating star, are open systems, while the star
exists.
Of course, once the star fails, universal entropy takes over.
At least, it might.
The Second
Law of Thermodynamics proves, as certainly as science can prove anything whatever,
that the universe had a beginning.
Within Newtonian limitations, yes, but Einstein, puts a different view
on it.
Similarly, the First Law shows that the universe could
not have begun itself.
No, it does not. The 1st LOT applies to an existing system, not to
the genesis, of a system
Therefore, the most logical and scientific conclusion to which the
honest mind could possibly come to is that: "In the beginning, God created the heavens
and the earth."
And God came from: Where was it?
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Only Scientific And Logical Conclusion Is................ |
27 Jan 2006 07:40:29 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> posting the following on Fri, 27 Jan 2006
04:44:35 GMT iin alt.atheism?
"The law of increasing entropy is an impenetrable barrier which no evolutionary
mechanism yet suggested has ever been able to overcome. Evolution and entropy
are opposing and mutually exclusive concepts.
If the entropy principle is really a universal law, then evolution must be impossible.
The very terms themselves express contradictory concepts. The word "evolution"
is of course derived from a Latin word meaning "out-rolling". The picture is of an
outward-progressing spiral."
"Thus, the Second Law proves, as certainly as science can prove anything whatever,
that the universe had a beginning. Similarly, the First Law shows that the universe
could not have begun itself. The most scientific and logical conclusion to which we
could possibly come is that: "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth."
sigh.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics applies to closed systems. Earth is
not a closed system, and neither are life forms. We are constantly
taking in energy in the form of food and water.
If I were stop eating a breathing, damn skippy entropy would gleefully
jump all over my *****.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Andrew" |
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27 Jan 2006 04:13:26 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" wrote in message news:6e8kt1ho1daoujl948ilr9pp3bun8v7e96@4ax.com...
"Andrew" posting the following:
"The law of increasing entropy is an impenetrable barrier which no evolutionary
mechanism yet suggested has ever been able to overcome. Evolution and entropy
are opposing and mutually exclusive concepts.
If the entropy principle is really a universal law, then evolution must be impossible.
The very terms themselves express contradictory concepts. The word "evolution"
is of course derived from a Latin word meaning "out-rolling". The picture is of an
outward-progressing spiral."
"Thus, the Second Law proves, as certainly as science can prove anything whatever,
that the universe had a beginning. Similarly, the First Law shows that the universe
could not have begun itself. The most scientific and logical conclusion to which we
could possibly come is that: "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth."
sigh.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics applies to closed systems. Earth is
not a closed system, and neither are life forms. We are constantly
taking in energy in the form of food and water.
If I were stop eating a breathing, damn skippy entropy would gleefully
jump all over my *****.
When you look in the mirror, do you notice a difference in what you
see now than what you saw twenty years ago? Well that's proof that
entropy IS working on "your *****" (as you say).
Douglas E. Berry
Andrew
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| User: "Elmer" |
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27 Jan 2006 05:58:14 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
news:6e8kt1ho1daoujl948ilr9pp3bun8v7e96@4ax.com...
"Andrew" posting the following:
"The law of increasing entropy is an impenetrable barrier which no
evolutionary
mechanism yet suggested has ever been able to overcome. Evolution and
entropy
are opposing and mutually exclusive concepts.
If the entropy principle is really a universal law, then evolution
must be impossible. The very terms themselves express contradictory
concepts. The word "evolution"
is of course derived from a Latin word meaning "out-rolling". The
picture is of an
outward-progressing spiral."
"Thus, the Second Law proves, as certainly as science can prove
anything whatever,
that the universe had a beginning. Similarly, the First Law shows
that the universe could not have begun itself. The most scientific
and logical conclusion to which we could possibly come is that: "In
the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth."
sigh.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics applies to closed systems. Earth is
not a closed system, and neither are life forms. We are constantly
taking in energy in the form of food and water.
If I were stop eating a breathing, damn skippy entropy would gleefully
jump all over my *****.
When you look in the mirror, do you notice a difference in what you
see now than what you saw twenty years ago? Well that's proof that
entropy IS working on "your *****" (as you say).
When you look in the mirror how can you do that without being
embarrassed by uttering such a silly statement? Energy can decrease
local entropy. Please look in any basic physics book.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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27 Jan 2006 05:16:08 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:13:26 GMT, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message news:6e8kt1ho1daoujl948ilr9pp3bun8v7e96@4ax.com...
"Andrew" posting the following:
"The law of increasing entropy is an impenetrable barrier which no evolutionary
mechanism yet suggested has ever been able to overcome. Evolution and entropy
are opposing and mutually exclusive concepts.
If the entropy principle is really a universal law, then evolution must be impossible.
The very terms themselves express contradictory concepts. The word "evolution"
is of course derived from a Latin word meaning "out-rolling". The picture is of an
outward-progressing spiral."
"Thus, the Second Law proves, as certainly as science can prove anything whatever,
that the universe had a beginning. Similarly, the First Law shows that the universe
could not have begun itself. The most scientific and logical conclusion to which we
could possibly come is that: "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth."
sigh.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics applies to closed systems. Earth is
not a closed system, and neither are life forms. We are constantly
taking in energy in the form of food and water.
If I were stop eating a breathing, damn skippy entropy would gleefully
jump all over my *****.
When you look in the mirror, do you notice a difference in what you
see now than what you saw twenty years ago? Well that's proof that
entropy IS working on "your *****" (as you say).
True, but irrelevant
Douglas E. Berry
Andrew
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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27 Jan 2006 10:27:39 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> posting the following on Fri, 27 Jan 2006
22:13:26 GMT iin alt.atheism?
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message news:6e8kt1ho1daoujl948ilr9pp3bun8v7e96@4ax.com...
sigh.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics applies to closed systems. Earth is
not a closed system, and neither are life forms. We are constantly
taking in energy in the form of food and water.
If I were stop eating a breathing, damn skippy entropy would gleefully
jump all over my *****.
When you look in the mirror, do you notice a difference in what you
see now than what you saw twenty years ago? Well that's proof that
entropy IS working on "your *****" (as you say).
Actually, I weigh more now than I did then, and have more hair. I
continue to take in food, adding energy and mass to my localized
system, and holding off entropy for a time.
Let's go back to the early hours of July 4th, 1966, and look into the
maternity ward of Good Samaratin Hospital, Los Gatos, CA. Oh look,
there I am! But hey, no one is feeding me! Since no energy is being
put into my little system, I soon begin breaking down my own tissues
to keep the brain functioning. Eventually, entropy causes massive
imbalances, and I die.
Luckily, that didn't happen. See, I was fed, and continue to eat.
Now, let me ask you something: How are babies made if we cannot fight
entropy?
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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