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"Meteorite Debris" |
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03 Apr 2005 12:52:00 AM |
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The papacy - the last absolute monarchy in Europe |
The papacy is actually an antiquated form of government that Europeans
spent centuries of grief doing away with. It is really the last
absolute monarchy in Europe. The Vatican is a real state and the pope
is an elected king. The pope has a ring of a ruler, headgear that
could be a crown, a bureaucracy called the curia, robes, a throne, a
palace, an army, a central bank, a nobility in the form of a college
of cardinals, a regal court and a state religion. The king has a
divine right to rule.
Yet there is not only obedience and submission to the pope/king but
worship. Yet Catholics who enjoy and support largely secular
democratic states and would agree agree to a system of governance like
the Vat's and who disagree with most of the pope's rulings and who
disregard completely the church's ruling on contraception are still in
awe of the institution of the papacy and the pope.
--
epicurus1*at*obtuse*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: The papacy - the last absolute monarchy in Europe |
03 Apr 2005 07:57:15 AM |
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In article <MPG.1cb9c613e232028998a0e3@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
The papacy is actually an antiquated form of government that Europeans
spent centuries of grief doing away with. It is really the last
absolute monarchy in Europe. The Vatican is a real state and the pope
is an elected king. The pope has a ring of a ruler, headgear that
could be a crown, a bureaucracy called the curia, robes, a throne, a
palace, an army, a central bank, a nobility in the form of a college
of cardinals, a regal court and a state religion. The king has a
divine right to rule.
A long time ago, I read that the RCC was organized along the lines of
the Roman empire. With the pope as emperor, of ciurse.
Yet there is not only obedience and submission to the pope/king but
worship. Yet Catholics who enjoy and support largely secular
democratic states and would agree agree to a system of governance like
the Vat's and who disagree with most of the pope's rulings and who
disregard completely the church's ruling on contraception are still in
awe of the institution of the papacy and the pope.
And a government where the leader's rulings can't be questioned because
the leader is infallible. `I wonder how many Catholics know that the
Pope only became infallible as late as1870 when Pius IX declared himself
to be so.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Tapio Erola" |
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| Title: Re: The papacy - the last absolute monarchy in Europe |
03 Apr 2005 11:50:53 AM |
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Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> writes:
The papacy is actually an antiquated form of government that Europeans
spent centuries of grief doing away with. It is really the last
absolute monarchy in Europe. The Vatican is a real state and the pope
is an elected king. The pope has a ring of a ruler, headgear that
could be a crown, a bureaucracy called the curia, robes, a throne, a
palace, an army, a central bank, a nobility in the form of a college
of cardinals, a regal court and a state religion. The king has a
divine right to rule.
Yup. Historically highly interesting, isn't it? A living piece of
antiquity that I will most definitely have to visit when finances
and timing allow.
Yet there is not only obedience and submission to the pope/king but
worship.
Actually, pope is definitely not worshipped.
Yet Catholics who enjoy and support largely secular democratic
states and would agree agree to a system of governance like the
Vat's and who disagree with most of the pope's rulings and who
disregard completely the church's ruling on contraception are still
in awe of the institution of the papacy and the pope.
The institution has 2000 years of history, tradition and respect.
Heck, even I stand in respect of St. Peter's throne, though as lapsed
Protestant I most definitely remember *why* certain German theologician
hammered 95 theses to church door in 1517.
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Tapio Erola
Complexity is grown from simple systems that already work.
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: The papacy - the last absolute monarchy in Europe |
03 Apr 2005 12:08:05 AM |
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Meteorite Debris wrote:
The papacy is actually an antiquated form of government that
Europeans
spent centuries of grief doing away with. It is really the last
absolute monarchy in Europe. The Vatican is a real state
Only a few paces wide.
and the pope
is an elected king.
Mildly oxymoronical.
The pope has a ring of a ruler, headgear that
could be a crown, a bureaucracy called the curia, robes, a throne, a
palace, an army, a central bank, a nobility in the form of a college
of cardinals, a regal court and a state religion. The king has a
divine right to rule.
So do all religious leaders. It doesn't make them monarchs.
Yet there is not only obedience and submission to the pope/king but
worship. Yet Catholics who enjoy and support largely secular
democratic states and would agree agree to a system of governance
like
the Vat's and who disagree with most of the pope's rulings and who
disregard completely the church's ruling on contraception are still
in
awe of the institution of the papacy and the pope.
Yeah.
~Iain
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: The papacy - the last absolute monarchy in Europe |
03 Apr 2005 02:58:41 AM |
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In article <1112486885.617241.77180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
iain_inkster@hotmail.com says...
Meteorite Debris wrote:
The papacy is actually an antiquated form of government that
Europeans
spent centuries of grief doing away with. It is really the last
absolute monarchy in Europe. The Vatican is a real state
Only a few paces wide.
and the pope
is an elected king.
Mildly oxymoronical.
Not really. The "Holy Roman Emperor" was likewise "elected". But
only a few noblemen were the "electors".
The pope has a ring of a ruler, headgear that
could be a crown, a bureaucracy called the curia, robes, a throne, a
palace, an army, a central bank, a nobility in the form of a college
of cardinals, a regal court and a state religion. The king has a
divine right to rule.
So do all religious leaders. It doesn't make them monarchs.
No, not by itself. But the other features like diplomatically
recognized sovereignty and no accountability to the people
themselves makes it a bit more extreme than constitutional
monarchies. In the case of the pope, his powers are certainly more
than ceremonial, whereas most other european monarchs have been
reduced to absolute figureheads.
Yet there is not only obedience and submission to the pope/king but
worship. Yet Catholics who enjoy and support largely secular
democratic states and would agree agree to a system of governance
like
the Vat's and who disagree with most of the pope's rulings and who
disregard completely the church's ruling on contraception are still
in
awe of the institution of the papacy and the pope.
Yeah.
The next question would be "Why?", followed by "How do we depose the
*****?"
~Iain
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "DJ Nozem" |
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| Title: Re: The papacy - the last absolute monarchy in Europe |
03 Apr 2005 07:20:11 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:22:00 +0930, Meteorite Debris
<abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
It is really the last absolute monarchy in Europe.
Don't count Liechtenstein out yet!
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We give meaning to each other
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The papacy - the last absolute monarchy in Europe |
03 Apr 2005 10:59:06 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:22:00 +0930, Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au>
wrote:
The papacy is actually an antiquated form of government that Europeans
spent centuries of grief doing away with. It is really the last
absolute monarchy in Europe.
The Vatican is a real country and the pope is elected.
There you go.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "wmech" |
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| Title: Re: The papacy - the last absolute monarchy in Europe |
07 Apr 2005 05:47:24 PM |
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That's religion! Religion has no logic what so ever!
--
Bill
"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cb9c613e232028998a0e3@news.optusnet.com.au...
The papacy is actually an antiquated form of government that Europeans
spent centuries of grief doing away with. It is really the last
absolute monarchy in Europe. The Vatican is a real state and the pope
is an elected king. The pope has a ring of a ruler, headgear that
could be a crown, a bureaucracy called the curia, robes, a throne, a
palace, an army, a central bank, a nobility in the form of a college
of cardinals, a regal court and a state religion. The king has a
divine right to rule.
Yet there is not only obedience and submission to the pope/king but
worship. Yet Catholics who enjoy and support largely secular
democratic states and would agree agree to a system of governance like
the Vat's and who disagree with most of the pope's rulings and who
disregard completely the church's ruling on contraception are still in
awe of the institution of the papacy and the pope.
--
epicurus1*at*obtuse*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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