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"EagleEye" |
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20 Nov 2005 08:58:16 PM |
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The Physics of Immortality? |
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/graham_oppy/tipler.html
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The Physics of Immortality? |
21 Nov 2005 02:54:37 AM |
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Enkidu the Atheist <enkidu@leaddogs.org> suddenly spluttered:
"EagleEye" <jnewton@globalmanagement.ca> wrote in
news:1132542753.294240.88550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
And so the final conclusion is that while we may be nothing but
extraordinarily complex machines, that we, our entire being and
existence, is an occurance, relative to a purposelful and meaningful
final point of all relativity which is itself the final object and
goal of lifes arrow of progress. This then creates a new and novel
framework wherein our "being" or most essential observing self finds
purchase in the "tree of life" such that what would otherwise terminate
in a meaingless absurdity, in death, is extended in a dynamic and
process of life meeting life, unto the very apex and high tower point
of objective truth and reality, which, no who, is the totality and the
creator of life itself, as a first/last cause, or the "Alpha and the
Omega" of existence.
It is a realization which may be coming of age, who's time has come.
Or, more likely, it's hokum. When this "testable theory" is tested,
perhaps there will be a reason to believe it's true. Until then . . . .
But who will be there to observe the end of time itself?
Oh Yes! I forgot!:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Restaurant_at_the_End_of_the_Universe
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The Physics of Immortality? |
21 Nov 2005 08:10:31 AM |
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"<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote in
news:mm23o1p5i1chvg7v80lnfb6c0jajsgp7tu@4ax.com:
Enkidu the Atheist <enkidu@leaddogs.org> suddenly spluttered:
"EagleEye" <jnewton@globalmanagement.ca> wrote in
news:1132542753.294240.88550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
And so the final conclusion is that while we may be nothing but
extraordinarily complex machines, that we, our entire being and
existence, is an occurance, relative to a purposelful and meaningful
final point of all relativity which is itself the final object and
goal of lifes arrow of progress. This then creates a new and novel
framework wherein our "being" or most essential observing self finds
purchase in the "tree of life" such that what would otherwise
terminate
in a meaingless absurdity, in death, is extended in a dynamic and
process of life meeting life, unto the very apex and high tower point
of objective truth and reality, which, no who, is the totality and
the
creator of life itself, as a first/last cause, or the "Alpha and the
Omega" of existence.
It is a realization which may be coming of age, who's time has come.
Or, more likely, it's hokum. When this "testable theory" is tested,
perhaps there will be a reason to believe it's true. Until then . . .
..
But who will be there to observe the end of time itself?
Oh Yes! I forgot!:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Restaurant_at_the_End_of_the_Universe
Choose the steaks.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian.
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "Dr. Zarkov" |
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| Title: Re: The Physics of Immortality? |
20 Nov 2005 11:59:26 PM |
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EagleEye wrote:
And so the final conclusion is that while we may be nothing but
extraordinarily complex machines, that we, our entire being and
existence, is an occurance, relative to a purposelful and meaningful
final point of all relativity which is itself the final object and
goal of lifes arrow of progress. This then creates a new and novel
framework wherein our "being" or most essential observing self finds
purchase in the "tree of life" such that what would otherwise terminate
in a meaingless absurdity, in death, is extended in a dynamic and
process of life meeting life, unto the very apex and high tower point
of objective truth and reality, which, no who, is the totality and the
creator of life itself, as a first/last cause, or the "Alpha and the
Omega" of existence.
It is a realization which may be coming of age, who's time has come.
That's your interpretation. This is what Tipler says:
"To emphasise the scientific nature of the Omega Point Theory, let me
state here that I am at present forced to consider myself an atheist, in
the literal sense that I am not a theist. ... I do not even believe in
the Omega Point. The Omega Point Theory is a viable scientific theory of
the future of the physical universe, but the only evidence in its favour
at the moment is theoretical beauty, for there is as yet no confirming
experimental evidence for it. Thus scientifically one is not compelled
to accept it at the time of my writing these words. ... If the Omega
Point Theory and all possible variations of it are disconfirmed, then I
think atheism .. is the only rational alternative. But of course I also
think the Omega Point Theory has a very good chance of being right,
otherwise I would never have troubled to write this book. If the Omega
Point Theory is confirmed, I shall then consider myself a theist. (p.305)"
In fact since the original assumption of a closed universe no longer
seems true, it would definitely have to be at least modified.
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