On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:50:52 -0800, David Goldberg
<david_asbnll@yahoo.com> wrote:

"zzbunker@netscape.net" wrote:

buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:

The place of prayer in sports remains a controversial topic
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3515435.html
Houston Chronicle - United States
... The separation of church and state doesn't prevent public school
students from praying while they're at school or participating in
school-sponsored activities ..

Nothing ever a Constutution can prevent prayer.
The seperation clause prohibits public schools teachers
from leading prayer sessions in the classroom.

"Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion."

I don't see anything about teachers in that sentence.

Then perhaps you should look at the fourteenth amenment.

A teacher is an agent of the government acting in an official
capacity.

Why do you sociopaths imagine you get to teach your religion to our
kids?

"Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion."

I don't see anything about teachers in that sentence.

Then perhaps you should look at the fourteenth amenment.

A teacher is an agent of the government acting in an official
capacity.

Why do you sociopaths imagine you get to teach your religion to our
kids?

:|You,
:|The judges who fired Judge Moore,
:|The 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals judges who decided that the Pledge was
:|unconstitutional,
:|etc..
:|
:|>
:|Yep, they're valid.
:|
:|>
:|Neither are powerful reality distortion fields like yours.
:|
:|>
:|I have no doubt that Judge Moore was at least speaking his convictions.
:|
:|Whatever the names of the judges involved with Judge Moore are and also
:|the activist judges, maybe all of them, in the 3rd Circuit Court of
:|Appeals.
:|
:|>
:|
:|Spoken like a true master knickkkers.
:|
:|Liar.
:|
:|Your anti-religious expression activist judge friends are legislating
:|from the bench, deciding that people are violating the phantom
:|constitutonal church-state separation law all the time.
:|
:|>
:|Ah, another of your unsubstantiated, "it is because I said so,"
:|justifications.
:|
:|Christians are upfront that their belief in Jesus Christ is based on
:|faith.
:|
:|>
:|"If the two departments [Federal and State] should claim each the same
:|subject of power, where is the common umpire to decide ultimately
:|between them? In cases of little importance or urgency, the prudence of
:|both parties will keep them aloof from the questionable ground; but if
:|it can neither be avoided not compromised, a convention of the States
:|must be called to ascribe the doubtful power to that department which
:|they may think best." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. ME
:|16:47
:|
:|>
:|>
:|I'm simply not telling you what you want to hear.
:|
:|>
:|To the contrary, Article 5 of the Constitution shows that it is the
:|States who have the final decision with respect to what the
:|Constitution says.

Name any specific "anti-religious expression faction"

Ok,

You,
The judges who fired Judge Moore,
The 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals judges who decided that the Pledge was
unconstitutional,
etc..

You must do that in order to see if your claims are
valid.

Yep, they're valid.

Beliefs are NOT evidence, Freddie

Neither are powerful reality distortion fields like yours.

Nor are silly conclusions, inferences, innuendo,
conjecture, rumors, theories and Judge Moore lies

I have no doubt that Judge Moore was at least speaking his convictions.

....concocted by anti-religious expression activist Justices who
couldn't care less what the Constitution actually says in the first
place.

Name a specific "anti-religious activist judge",
Freddie.

Whatever the names of the judges involved with Judge Moore are and also
the activist judges, maybe all of them, in the 3rd Circuit Court of
Appeals.

Also, although the Constitution does not place restrictions on public
prayer as anti-religious expression factions would have everybody
believe,

No one ever said it did.

Liar.

Your anti-religious expression activist judge friends are legislating
from the bench, deciding that people are violating the phantom
constitutonal church-state separation law all the time.

The Bible cannot be used as evidence to support
argument.

Ah, another of your unsubstantiated, "it is because I said so,"
justifications.

NO ONE can truthfully claim that's "what Christ said,
did, or caused to happen"

Christians are upfront that their belief in Jesus Christ is based on
faith.

"Article 10: The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the
States respectively, or to the people."

When conflicts arise, who is the ONLY one to determine
what a "states right" is?

"If the two departments [Federal and State] should claim each the same
subject of power, where is the common umpire to decide ultimately
between them?

In cases of little importance or urgency, the prudence of
both parties will keep them aloof from the questionable ground; but if
it can neither be avoided not compromised, a convention of the States
must be called to ascribe the doubtful power to that department which
they may think best." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. ME
16:47

I'm simply not telling you what you want to hear.

States cannot take away what the national constitution
gives you

States are NOT supreme

To the contrary, Article 5 of the Constitution shows that it is the
States who have the final decision with respect to what the
Constitution says.

Name any specific "anti-religious expression faction"

Ok,

You,
The judges who fired Judge Moore,
The 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals judges who decided that the Pledge was
unconstitutional,
etc..

You must do that in order to see if your claims are
valid.

Yep, they're valid.

Beliefs are NOT evidence, Freddie

Neither are powerful reality distortion fields like yours.

Nor are silly conclusions, inferences, innuendo,
conjecture, rumors, theories and Judge Moore lies

I have no doubt that Judge Moore was at least speaking his convictions.

....concocted by anti-religious expression activist Justices who
couldn't care less what the Constitution actually says in the first
place.

Name a specific "anti-religious activist judge",
Freddie.

Whatever the names of the judges involved with Judge Moore are and also
the activist judges, maybe all of them, in the 3rd Circuit Court of
Appeals.

Also, although the Constitution does not place restrictions on public
prayer as anti-religious expression factions would have everybody
believe,

No one ever said it did.

Liar.

Your anti-religious expression activist judge friends are legislating
from the bench, deciding that people are violating the phantom
constitutonal church-state separation law all the time.

The Bible cannot be used as evidence to support
argument.

Ah, another of your unsubstantiated, "it is because I said so,"
justifications.

NO ONE can truthfully claim that's "what Christ said,
did, or caused to happen"

Christians are upfront that their belief in Jesus Christ is based on
faith.

"Article 10: The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the
States respectively, or to the people."

When conflicts arise, who is the ONLY one to determine
what a "states right" is?

"If the two departments [Federal and State] should claim each the same
subject of power, where is the common umpire to decide ultimately
between them?

In cases of little importance or urgency, the prudence of
both parties will keep them aloof from the questionable ground; but if
it can neither be avoided not compromised, a convention of the States
must be called to ascribe the doubtful power to that department which
they may think best." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. ME
16:47

I'm simply not telling you what you want to hear.

States cannot take away what the national constitution
gives you

States are NOT supreme

To the contrary, Article 5 of the Constitution shows that it is the
States who have the final decision with respect to what the
Constitution says.

fred wrote:

Knickkkers@WhattaIdiot.com wrote:

On 12 Dec 2005 09:50:03 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

Although anti-religious expression factions

Name any specific "anti-religious expression faction"

Ok,

You,
The judges who fired Judge Moore,
The 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals judges who decided that the Pledge was
unconstitutional,
etc..

Moore was fired because he disobeyed a lawful court order; because he
said he'd disobey any similar order in the future; and because he
hasn't the intelligence to be a dogcatcher, much less Chief Justice of
Alabama.

And it was the 9th Circuit, not the 3d, that ruled on the Pledge, you
pathetically ignorant hack.

Nor are silly conclusions, inferences, innuendo,
conjecture, rumors, theories and Judge Moore lies

I have no doubt that Judge Moore was at least speaking his convictions.

Which only goes to show how amazingly dense Moore is. Have you
actually read the 11th Circuit opinion? Do you really know what kind
of brain-dead arguments Moore made?

fred wrote:

Knickkkers@WhattaIdiot.com wrote:

On 12 Dec 2005 09:50:03 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

Although anti-religious expression factions

Name any specific "anti-religious expression faction"

Ok,

You,
The judges who fired Judge Moore,
The 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals judges who decided that the Pledge was
unconstitutional,
etc..

Moore was fired because he disobeyed a lawful court order; because he
said he'd disobey any similar order in the future; and because he
hasn't the intelligence to be a dogcatcher, much less Chief Justice of
Alabama.

And it was the 9th Circuit, not the 3d, that ruled on the Pledge, you
pathetically ignorant hack.

Nor are silly conclusions, inferences, innuendo,
conjecture, rumors, theories and Judge Moore lies

I have no doubt that Judge Moore was at least speaking his convictions.

Which only goes to show how amazingly dense Moore is. Have you
actually read the 11th Circuit opinion? Do you really know what kind
of brain-dead arguments Moore made?

Knickkkers@WhattaIdiot.com wrote:

On 12 Dec 2005 09:50:03 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

Although anti-religious expression factions

Name any specific "anti-religious expression faction"

Ok,

You,
The judges who fired Judge Moore,
The 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals judges who decided that the Pledge was
unconstitutional,
etc..

Nor are silly conclusions, inferences, innuendo,
conjecture, rumors, theories and Judge Moore lies

I have no doubt that Judge Moore was at least speaking his convictions.