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"Kadaitcha Man" |
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01 Apr 2005 11:41:08 AM |
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The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it out of
the pope?
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| User: "Dr Robert Valdez Med unit@UofTedu" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 02:08:33 PM |
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"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam@*****-off-and-die.com> wrote in message
news:b753a0e5f20849af95218628d31a58f5@comp.graphics.streetwalkers...
They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it out
of
the pope?
The Pope has what is called a pherimulax surrogate feeder tube, while Terri
Schiavo had a uragatigus implatis Hospice Tube.
The Popes tube cannot be removed without major surgery and a possible life
threatening situation. This was done as a safegaurd by the Catholic
organization The Knights of Columbus in order to assure that the Pope could
not be killed like Terri was. Many Catholics are now having these
un-removable tubes implanted for future use.
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| User: "Chris H" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 11:49:02 PM |
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Dr Robert Valdez wrote:
"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam@*****-off-and-die.com> wrote in message
news:b753a0e5f20849af95218628d31a58f5@comp.graphics.streetwalkers...
They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it out
of
the pope?
The Pope has what is called a pherimulax surrogate feeder tube, while Terri
Schiavo had a uragatigus implatis Hospice Tube.
The Popes tube cannot be removed without major surgery and a possible life
threatening situation. This was done as a safegaurd by the Catholic
organization The Knights of Columbus in order to assure that the Pope could
not be killed like Terri was. Many Catholics are now having these
un-removable tubes implanted for future use.
Lordy these catholics are stupid, what the hell does it matter whether
the tube can be removed? All you have to do is stop putting the food in
the non-vegatable end.
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C.
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| User: "Kadaitcha Man" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 02:21:10 PM |
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Dr Robert Valdez, <Med unit@UofTedu>, the blind, deceiving fuckstick, and
servant responsible for ironing the daily newspaper, fussed:
"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam@*****-off-and-die.com> wrote in message
news:b753a0e5f20849af95218628d31a58f5@comp.graphics.streetwalkers...
They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it
out of the pope?
The Pope has what is called a pherimulax surrogate feeder tube, while
Terri Schiavo had a uragatigus implatis Hospice Tube.
The Popes tube cannot be removed without major surgery and a possible
life threatening situation.
So? The ***** is fucked either way.
This was done as a safegaurd by the
Catholic organization The Knights of Columbus in order to assure that
the Pope could not be killed like Terri was. Many Catholics are now
having these un-removable tubes implanted for future use.
Nothing a shotgun or a hammer blow to the base of the cranium won't fix.
PS: pherimulax, uragatigus and implatis are not words from this planet.
Which one are you on?
Trabibus moremini imasque, obiecta vera, deducamus, id. Crassum gesseram exi
anhelanti debeant measque vi adfecissent apud es celsa. Ore iamdudum fert
aestas taceri refulsit, da illeque atque. Remigium calcaribus ossibus os
devolat, iecique fluens ululabam.
Semustum enumerare cauato, plaudamus pios immanibus, paruerunt vultis novo
daque. Circa quod fidoque, aliqua offam aras mirabor tuguri olli. Sis
infracta uice nescia, mire ferque lubrica notum. Ausae rentur, acrum en otia
fidoque ducum itineribus ana ne donique.
Fluens pauperibus time us esto coit ni tuamque donoque. Odioque inflabamini
gremio ea dees, oppida abque exierant. Fulva data pago si pete rimor ausi
aiunt. Usi ausae duro hi sali opisque, ei ululabo obirati. Voco similem
inane, ineram atre dissereret perque cadentem dixi recta soni.
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| User: "Dr Robert Valdez Med unit@UofTedu" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 02:40:03 PM |
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So? The ***** is fucked either way.
Nothing a shotgun or a hammer blow to the base of the cranium won't fix.
Your medical knowledge is underwhelming me.
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| User: "Kadaitcha Man" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 02:51:07 PM |
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Dr Robert Valdez, <Med unit@UofTedu>, the hopeless, gangly coal miner's
lung, and servant who runs errands, popped out:
So? The ***** is fucked either way.
Nothing a shotgun or a hammer blow to the base of the cranium won't
fix.
Your medical knowledge is underwhelming me.
Does gastronomical satiety admonish you such that you have reached the
ultimate stage of deglutition, which is consistent with dietic integrity?
Your 'medical knowledge' can't be much to speak of either if all you can do
is make up three nonsense words.
So, what fantasy world do you live on?
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| User: "Dr Robert Valdez Med unit@UofTedu" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 05:40:34 PM |
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"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam@*****-off-and-die.com> wrote in message
news:513978a02448483a94454810bbe7e5be@biz.forsale.pork.sword...
So, what fantasy world do you live on?
You must stop asking about my world. You will never get here. Your kind just
wouldn't fit.
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| User: "sophie" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 03:02:20 PM |
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I'm replying to Dr Robert Valdez. At Dr Robert Valdez
<Med@unit.?.invalid>.
"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam@*****-off-and-die.com> wrote in message
news:b753a0e5f20849af95218628d31a58f5@comp.graphics.streetwalkers...
They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it out
of
the pope?
The Pope has what is called a pherimulax surrogate feeder tube, while Terri
Schiavo had a uragatigus implatis Hospice Tube.
The Popes tube cannot be removed without major surgery and a possible life
threatening situation. This was done as a safegaurd by the Catholic
organization The Knights of Columbus in order to assure that the Pope could
not be killed like Terri was. Many Catholics are now having these
un-removable tubes implanted for future use.
date alert....
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sophie
mhm34x20
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| User: "mlw" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 02:48:04 PM |
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Kadaitcha Man wrote:
They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it out
of the pope?
I'll all for that!!!
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 12:40:38 PM |
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Kadaitcha Man wrote:
They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it out of
the pope?
Because Terri Schiavo didn't want to be kept alive by a feeding
tube, but the pope (apparently) does.
Because Terri Schiavo's mind was long gone, but the pope's
mind is still working (as much as it ever has anyway).
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 01:38:52 PM |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:ajb3e.13708$Nr5.1111@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| Kadaitcha Man wrote:
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| > They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it out
of
| > the pope?
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| Because Terri Schiavo didn't want to be kept alive by a feeding
| tube, but the pope (apparently) does.
|
| Because Terri Schiavo's mind was long gone, but the pope's
| mind is still working (as much as it ever has anyway).
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| --
| Graham Kennedy
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| Creator and Author,
| Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| http://www.ditl.org
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Terri never said she didn't want to be given food nor water. Apparently, it
is claimed she didn't want to be kept alive by unnatural and extraordinary
means. Being fed food and water are hardly unnatural nor extraordinary.
Dehydrating someone to death, however, is unnatural murder.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
02 Apr 2005 05:44:12 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:38:52 -0500, "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote:
Terri never said she didn't want to be given food nor water. Apparently, it
is claimed she didn't want to be kept alive by unnatural and extraordinary
means. Being fed food and water are hardly unnatural nor extraordinary.
Since when has force feeding, been natural?
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 02:01:39 PM |
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Stephen wrote:
"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:ajb3e.13708$Nr5.1111@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| Kadaitcha Man wrote:
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| > They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it out
of
| > the pope?
|
| Because Terri Schiavo didn't want to be kept alive by a feeding
| tube, but the pope (apparently) does.
|
| Because Terri Schiavo's mind was long gone, but the pope's
| mind is still working (as much as it ever has anyway).
|
| --
| Graham Kennedy
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| Creator and Author,
| Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| http://www.ditl.org
|
Terri never said she didn't want to be given food nor water. Apparently, it
is claimed she didn't want to be kept alive by unnatural and extraordinary
means. Being fed food and water are hardly unnatural nor extraordinary.
You consider having a plastic tube stuck through
your nose and down into your stomach so that food
and water can be pumped through it to be "natural"?
They must have some pretty weird nature where you
come from.
Dehydrating someone to death, however, is unnatural murder.
Murder is a legal term. Since what happened to Terri
was approved through the courts countless times over
many years, it is no more murder than executions are.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 09:54:09 PM |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:7vc3e.9342$C12.3448@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| Stephen wrote:
| > "Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
| > news:ajb3e.13708$Nr5.1111@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| > | Kadaitcha Man wrote:
| > |
| > | > They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it
out
| > of
| > | > the pope?
| > |
| > | Because Terri Schiavo didn't want to be kept alive by a feeding
| > | tube, but the pope (apparently) does.
| > |
| > | Because Terri Schiavo's mind was long gone, but the pope's
| > | mind is still working (as much as it ever has anyway).
| > |
| > | --
| > | Graham Kennedy
| > |
| > | Creator and Author,
| > | Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| > | http://www.ditl.org
| > |
| >
| > Terri never said she didn't want to be given food nor water. Apparently,
it
| > is claimed she didn't want to be kept alive by unnatural and
extraordinary
| > means. Being fed food and water are hardly unnatural nor extraordinary.
|
| You consider having a plastic tube stuck through
| your nose and down into your stomach so that food
| and water can be pumped through it to be "natural"?
|
| They must have some pretty weird nature where you
| come from.
|
| > Dehydrating someone to death, however, is unnatural murder.
|
| Murder is a legal term. Since what happened to Terri
| was approved through the courts countless times over
| many years, it is no more murder than executions are.
|
| --
| Graham Kennedy
|
| Creator and Author,
| Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| http://www.ditl.org
|
Actually, yes it is natural. Babies suck from teets and bottles, injured
people are given tubes. Underwater divers suck air through hoses. Providing
the basics such as food, water and air - even through tubes - is natural
care.
It becomes 'unnatural' when, say the brain has gone completely flatline and
a machine has to pump the air in. Or a machine has to do the actual pumping
action of the heart etc. etc.
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 10:35:20 PM |
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Stephen wrote:
"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:7vc3e.9342$C12.3448@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| Stephen wrote:
| > "Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
| > news:ajb3e.13708$Nr5.1111@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| > | Kadaitcha Man wrote:
| > |
| > | > They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not pull it
out
| > of
| > | > the pope?
| > |
| > | Because Terri Schiavo didn't want to be kept alive by a feeding
| > | tube, but the pope (apparently) does.
| > |
| > | Because Terri Schiavo's mind was long gone, but the pope's
| > | mind is still working (as much as it ever has anyway).
| > |
| > | --
| > | Graham Kennedy
| > |
| > | Creator and Author,
| > | Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| > | http://www.ditl.org
| > |
| >
| > Terri never said she didn't want to be given food nor water. Apparently,
it
| > is claimed she didn't want to be kept alive by unnatural and
extraordinary
| > means. Being fed food and water are hardly unnatural nor extraordinary.
|
| You consider having a plastic tube stuck through
| your nose and down into your stomach so that food
| and water can be pumped through it to be "natural"?
|
| They must have some pretty weird nature where you
| come from.
|
| > Dehydrating someone to death, however, is unnatural murder.
|
| Murder is a legal term. Since what happened to Terri
| was approved through the courts countless times over
| many years, it is no more murder than executions are.
|
| --
| Graham Kennedy
|
| Creator and Author,
| Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| http://www.ditl.org
|
Actually, yes it is natural. Babies suck from teets and bottles, injured
people are given tubes. Underwater divers suck air through hoses. Providing
the basics such as food, water and air - even through tubes - is natural
care.
Bottles, scuba tanks... you think of these things as natural?
I think we are using different definitions of natural. In this
context I think of the word as meaning more or less "found in
nature".
What do you mean by it?
It becomes 'unnatural' when, say the brain has gone completely flatline and
a machine has to pump the air in. Or a machine has to do the actual pumping
action of the heart etc. etc.
So if the body can't get it's own oxygen and it has to
be pumped in that's unnatural, but if the body can't
get it's own food and it has to be pumped in, that's
not unnatural?
Yes people get food through tubes whilst alive - straws
spring to mind. But as I understand it - and I have erred
about the tube already in this thread so please correct me
if I'm wrong - this woman wasn't *sucking* food through a
straw, it was being *pumped* into her.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
01 Apr 2005 11:34:07 PM |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:I0k3e.10403$C12.10069@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| Stephen wrote:
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| > "Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
| > news:7vc3e.9342$C12.3448@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| > | Stephen wrote:
| > | > "Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
| > | > news:ajb3e.13708$Nr5.1111@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| > | > | Kadaitcha Man wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > They pulled the feeding tube out of Terri Schiavo so why not
pull it
| > out
| > | > of
| > | > | > the pope?
| > | > |
| > | > | Because Terri Schiavo didn't want to be kept alive by a feeding
| > | > | tube, but the pope (apparently) does.
| > | > |
| > | > | Because Terri Schiavo's mind was long gone, but the pope's
| > | > | mind is still working (as much as it ever has anyway).
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Graham Kennedy
| > | > |
| > | > | Creator and Author,
| > | > | Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| > | > | http://www.ditl.org
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Terri never said she didn't want to be given food nor water.
Apparently,
| > it
| > | > is claimed she didn't want to be kept alive by unnatural and
| > extraordinary
| > | > means. Being fed food and water are hardly unnatural nor
extraordinary.
| > |
| > | You consider having a plastic tube stuck through
| > | your nose and down into your stomach so that food
| > | and water can be pumped through it to be "natural"?
| > |
| > | They must have some pretty weird nature where you
| > | come from.
| > |
| > | > Dehydrating someone to death, however, is unnatural murder.
| > |
| > | Murder is a legal term. Since what happened to Terri
| > | was approved through the courts countless times over
| > | many years, it is no more murder than executions are.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Graham Kennedy
| > |
| > | Creator and Author,
| > | Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| > | http://www.ditl.org
| > |
| >
| > Actually, yes it is natural. Babies suck from teets and bottles, injured
| > people are given tubes. Underwater divers suck air through hoses.
Providing
| > the basics such as food, water and air - even through tubes - is natural
| > care.
|
| Bottles, scuba tanks... you think of these things as natural?
| I think we are using different definitions of natural. In this
| context I think of the word as meaning more or less "found in
| nature".
|
| What do you mean by it?
|
| > It becomes 'unnatural' when, say the brain has gone completely flatline
and
| > a machine has to pump the air in. Or a machine has to do the actual
pumping
| > action of the heart etc. etc.
|
| So if the body can't get it's own oxygen and it has to
| be pumped in that's unnatural, but if the body can't
| get it's own food and it has to be pumped in, that's
| not unnatural?
|
| Yes people get food through tubes whilst alive - straws
| spring to mind. But as I understand it - and I have erred
| about the tube already in this thread so please correct me
| if I'm wrong - this woman wasn't *sucking* food through a
| straw, it was being *pumped* into her.
|
| --
| Graham Kennedy
|
| Creator and Author,
| Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| http://www.ditl.org
|
She was digesting the food naturally, breathing naturally and processing her
liquids naturally.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
02 Apr 2005 02:54:30 AM |
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"Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in message
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snip
She was digesting the food naturally, breathing naturally and processing
her
liquids naturally.
Would you want to be the way she was? Would you want to spend 15 years like
that?
--
---------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
02 Apr 2005 03:08:53 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3b6fr6F6itnbsU1@individual.net...
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| "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in message
| news:_pmdnXYU04jzR9DfRVn-ug@rogers.com...
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| snip
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| > She was digesting the food naturally, breathing naturally and processing
| > her
| > liquids naturally.
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| Would you want to be the way she was? Would you want to spend 15 years
like
| that?
| --
| ---------
| Robyn
| Resident Witchypoo
| #1557
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Want to be that way? No, of course not. Scientists are doing a heck of a lot
with stem cell research and many things are being discovered every day. It
would be a long time before Terri could ever conceivably be heal [if it is
even possible]. However, killing her guarantees that she will never be
healed. She was denied that hope and possiblility.
But if some day, say ten or fifteen years from now, she might be brought
back or partially back? Then it would be worth the wait.
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
02 Apr 2005 06:14:23 AM |
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"Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in news:w4mdnXQVYZJZkdPfRVn-iA@rogers.com:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3b6fr6F6itnbsU1@individual.net...
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| "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in message
| news:_pmdnXYU04jzR9DfRVn-ug@rogers.com...
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| snip
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| > She was digesting the food naturally, breathing naturally and
| > processing her
| > liquids naturally.
|
| Would you want to be the way she was? Would you want to spend 15
| years
like
| that?
| --
| ---------
| Robyn
| Resident Witchypoo
| #1557
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|
Want to be that way? No, of course not. Scientists are doing a heck of
a lot with stem cell research and many things are being discovered
every day. It would be a long time before Terri could ever conceivably
be heal [if it is even possible]. However, killing her guarantees that
she will never be healed. She was denied that hope and possiblility.
But if some day, say ten or fifteen years from now, she might be
brought back or partially back? Then it would be worth the wait.
Go to sleep a youg woman, wake up an old lady?
--
DWA should be a felony.
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
03 Apr 2005 04:42:22 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns962BE240DCC9Dretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
| "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in news:w4mdnXQVYZJZkdPfRVn-iA@rogers.com:
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| > "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
| > news:3b6fr6F6itnbsU1@individual.net...
| >|
| >| "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in message
| >| news:_pmdnXYU04jzR9DfRVn-ug@rogers.com...
| >|
| >| snip
| >|
| >| > She was digesting the food naturally, breathing naturally and
| >| > processing her
| >| > liquids naturally.
| >|
| >| Would you want to be the way she was? Would you want to spend 15
| >| years
| > like
| >| that?
| >| --
| >| ---------
| >| Robyn
| >| Resident Witchypoo
| >| #1557
| >|
| >|
| >
| > Want to be that way? No, of course not. Scientists are doing a heck of
| > a lot with stem cell research and many things are being discovered
| > every day. It would be a long time before Terri could ever conceivably
| > be heal [if it is even possible]. However, killing her guarantees that
| > she will never be healed. She was denied that hope and possiblility.
| >
| > But if some day, say ten or fifteen years from now, she might be
| > brought back or partially back? Then it would be worth the wait.
|
| Go to sleep a youg woman, wake up an old lady?
|
An (great) aunt of mine died recenlty - within a couple of weeks ago
actually. A while ago she weakened after having a couple of teeth removed so
had been living with us for the past nine months. But a couple of weeks ago,
the grand age of 98, she had congestive heart failures that spelled the end
of her.
If Terri didn't wake up until sixty, even that would be worth the wait. My
aunt climbed mountains in her seventies, ran an office at 75, and lived many
many full and wonderful years AFTER turning sixty. So, your ageism and
hatred of the old and devaluation because of age just falls flat on me - it
makes you seem to be an ignorant ultra-left wing bigot .. I'm not saying
that you are, you just seem to be what I would call 'evil' because of your
hates, prejudice and the way you would discount people for their age as
summed in your comment.
Be pro-life. Be hopeful, optimistic despite it all and give up being part of
the evil crowd of pro-death penalty, pro-abortion, pro-murder-even-if
the-law-won't-admit-it-is-murder, pro-war and pro-euthanasia.
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
03 Apr 2005 06:18:51 PM |
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"Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in news:k_-dneg-Grx2gc3fRVn-uw@rogers.com:
If Terri didn't wake up until sixty, even that would be worth the
wait. My aunt climbed mountains in her seventies, ran an office at 75,
and lived many many full and wonderful years AFTER turning sixty. So,
your ageism and hatred of the old and devaluation because of age just
falls flat on me - it makes you seem to be an ignorant ultra-left wing
bigot .. I'm not saying that you are, you just seem to be what I
would call 'evil' because of your hates, prejudice and the way you
would discount people for their age as summed in your comment.
Be pro-life. Be hopeful, optimistic despite it all and give up being
part of the evil crowd of pro-death penalty, pro-abortion,
pro-murder-even-if the-law-won't-admit-it-is-murder, pro-war and
pro-euthanasia.
Terri wasn't coming back. Get over it. I won't condemn someone to a life
of being trapped in a body that doesn't work.
--
DWA should be a felony.
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
03 Apr 2005 09:26:56 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns962D731FCEDACretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
| "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in news:k_-dneg-Grx2gc3fRVn-uw@rogers.com:
|
| > If Terri didn't wake up until sixty, even that would be worth the
| > wait. My aunt climbed mountains in her seventies, ran an office at 75,
| > and lived many many full and wonderful years AFTER turning sixty. So,
| > your ageism and hatred of the old and devaluation because of age just
| > falls flat on me - it makes you seem to be an ignorant ultra-left wing
| > bigot .. I'm not saying that you are, you just seem to be what I
| > would call 'evil' because of your hates, prejudice and the way you
| > would discount people for their age as summed in your comment.
| >
| > Be pro-life. Be hopeful, optimistic despite it all and give up being
| > part of the evil crowd of pro-death penalty, pro-abortion,
| > pro-murder-even-if the-law-won't-admit-it-is-murder, pro-war and
| > pro-euthanasia.
|
| Terri wasn't coming back.
Not with so many out for her blood, no.
But someday most diseases will be medically curable and most body parts &
systems will be medically regeneratable. Just because your lot is hopeless
doesn't mean everyone is. Bye.
<PLONK>
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
03 Apr 2005 10:54:16 PM |
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"Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in news:FtGdnegaceIDws3fRVn-3Q@rogers.com:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns962D731FCEDACretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
| "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in
| news:k_-dneg-Grx2gc3fRVn-uw@rogers.com:
|
| > If Terri didn't wake up until sixty, even that would be worth the
| > wait. My aunt climbed mountains in her seventies, ran an office at
| > 75, and lived many many full and wonderful years AFTER turning
| > sixty. So, your ageism and hatred of the old and devaluation
| > because of age just falls flat on me - it makes you seem to be an
| > ignorant ultra-left wing bigot .. I'm not saying that you are,
| > you just seem to be what I would call 'evil' because of your hates,
| > prejudice and the way you would discount people for their age as
| > summed in your comment.
| >
| > Be pro-life. Be hopeful, optimistic despite it all and give up
| > being part of the evil crowd of pro-death penalty, pro-abortion,
| > pro-murder-even-if the-law-won't-admit-it-is-murder, pro-war and
| > pro-euthanasia.
|
| Terri wasn't coming back.
Not with so many out for her blood, no.
But someday most diseases will be medically curable and most body
parts & systems will be medically regeneratable. Just because your lot
is hopeless doesn't mean everyone is. Bye.
The part of your brain that makes you you never will be, loon.
<PLONK>
Yawn.
--
DWA should be a felony.
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
03 Apr 2005 11:48:23 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns962DA1D261FC0retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
| "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in news:FtGdnegaceIDws3fRVn-3Q@rogers.com:
|
| > "Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:Xns962D731FCEDACretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
| >| "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in
| >| news:k_-dneg-Grx2gc3fRVn-uw@rogers.com:
| >|
| >| > If Terri didn't wake up until sixty, even that would be worth the
| >| > wait. My aunt climbed mountains in her seventies, ran an office at
| >| > 75, and lived many many full and wonderful years AFTER turning
| >| > sixty. So, your ageism and hatred of the old and devaluation
| >| > because of age just falls flat on me - it makes you seem to be an
| >| > ignorant ultra-left wing bigot .. I'm not saying that you are,
| >| > you just seem to be what I would call 'evil' because of your hates,
| >| > prejudice and the way you would discount people for their age as
| >| > summed in your comment.
| >| >
| >| > Be pro-life. Be hopeful, optimistic despite it all and give up
| >| > being part of the evil crowd of pro-death penalty, pro-abortion,
| >| > pro-murder-even-if the-law-won't-admit-it-is-murder, pro-war and
| >| > pro-euthanasia.
| >|
| >| Terri wasn't coming back.
| >
| > Not with so many out for her blood, no.
| >
| > But someday most diseases will be medically curable and most body
| > parts & systems will be medically regeneratable. Just because your lot
| > is hopeless doesn't mean everyone is. Bye.
|
| The part of your brain that makes you you never will be, loon.
|
| > <PLONK>
|
| Yawn.
How do you know there isn't some 'holographic-like' aspect to consciousness?
Or transpersonal aspects to consciousness and being? You don't know there
aren't, you only hope there are not.
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
04 Apr 2005 12:20:13 AM |
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"Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in news:Fc6dnQ_vKbVYHc3fRVn-vQ@rogers.com:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns962DA1D261FC0retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
| "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in
| news:FtGdnegaceIDws3fRVn-3Q@rogers.com:
|
| > "Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:Xns962D731FCEDACretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
| >| "Stephen" <net@net.net> wrote in
| >| news:k_-dneg-Grx2gc3fRVn-uw@rogers.com:
| >|
| >| > If Terri didn't wake up until sixty, even that would be worth
| >| > the wait. My aunt climbed mountains in her seventies, ran an
| >| > office at 75, and lived many many full and wonderful years AFTER
| >| > turning sixty. So, your ageism and hatred of the old and
| >| > devaluation because of age just falls flat on me - it makes you
| >| > seem to be an ignorant ultra-left wing bigot .. I'm not saying
| >| > that you are, you just seem to be what I would call 'evil'
| >| > because of your hates, prejudice and the way you would discount
| >| > people for their age as summed in your comment.
| >| >
| >| > Be pro-life. Be hopeful, optimistic despite it all and give up
| >| > being part of the evil crowd of pro-death penalty, pro-abortion,
| >| > pro-murder-even-if the-law-won't-admit-it-is-murder, pro-war and
| >| > pro-euthanasia.
| >|
| >| Terri wasn't coming back.
| >
| > Not with so many out for her blood, no.
| >
| > But someday most diseases will be medically curable and most body
| > parts & systems will be medically regeneratable. Just because your
| > lot is hopeless doesn't mean everyone is. Bye.
|
| The part of your brain that makes you you never will be, loon.
|
| > <PLONK>
|
| Yawn.
How do you know there isn't some 'holographic-like' aspect to
consciousness? Or transpersonal aspects to consciousness and being?
You don't know there aren't, you only hope there are not.
I don't know for sure that there isn't a tooth fairy, either, loon.
However we know full what brain damage causes loss of self.
--
DWA should be a felony.
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
04 Apr 2005 05:36:06 AM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns962DB0651C386retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
| < edit > I don't know for sure that there isn't a tooth fairy, either,
loon.
I agree, you don't know.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
02 Apr 2005 04:17:11 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 22:08:53 -0500, "Stephen" <net@net.net> drained his
beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed
the following
Want to be that way? No, of course not. Scientists are doing a heck of a lot
with stem cell research and many things are being discovered every day. It
would be a long time before Terri could ever conceivably be heal [if it is
even possible]. However, killing her guarantees that she will never be
healed. She was denied that hope and possiblility.
But if some day, say ten or fifteen years from now, she might be brought
back or partially back? Then it would be worth the wait.
Sorry, but that wouldn't be possible. Even assuming we could regrow
brain cells, the areas that held her memories were destroyed, along
with all her centers for reasoning.
She'd be an infant, mentally. Even worse, since she wouldn't
experience the massive growth in brain size that we have in the first
two years of life, she'd be developmentally disabled.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
02 Apr 2005 05:33:16 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 22:08:53 -0500, "Stephen" <net@net.net> drained his
beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed
the following
Want to be that way? No, of course not. Scientists are doing a heck of a lot
with stem cell research and many things are being discovered every day. It
would be a long time before Terri could ever conceivably be heal [if it is
even possible]. However, killing her guarantees that she will never be
healed. She was denied that hope and possiblility.
But if some day, say ten or fifteen years from now, she might be brought
back or partially back? Then it would be worth the wait.
Sorry, but that wouldn't be possible. Even assuming we could regrow
brain cells, the areas that held her memories were destroyed, along
with all her centers for reasoning.
She'd be an infant, mentally. Even worse, since she wouldn't
experience the massive growth in brain size that we have in the first
two years of life, she'd be developmentally disabled.
It would be like creating a whole new person inside
her adult body - a permanently stunted person at that.
I think that's one of the most creepy, disgusting
ideas I've ever heard!
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
02 Apr 2005 05:51:32 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 22:08:53 -0500, "Stephen" <net@net.net> drained his
beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed
the following
Want to be that way? No, of course not. Scientists are doing a heck of a lot
with stem cell research and many things are being discovered every day. It
would be a long time before Terri could ever conceivably be heal [if it is
even possible]. However, killing her guarantees that she will never be
healed. She was denied that hope and possiblility.
But if some day, say ten or fifteen years from now, she might be brought
back or partially back? Then it would be worth the wait.
Sorry, but that wouldn't be possible. Even assuming we could regrow
brain cells, the areas that held her memories were destroyed, along
with all her centers for reasoning.
Even more ironic, the same people who wanted to keep her alive also
oppose the stem cell and fetal tissue research that shows hope of
repairing brain damage.
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
02 Apr 2005 12:20:09 AM |
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Stephen wrote:
| So if the body can't get it's own oxygen and it has to
| be pumped in that's unnatural, but if the body can't
| get it's own food and it has to be pumped in, that's
| not unnatural?
|
| Yes people get food through tubes whilst alive - straws
| spring to mind. But as I understand it - and I have erred
| about the tube already in this thread so please correct me
| if I'm wrong - this woman wasn't *sucking* food through a
| straw, it was being *pumped* into her.
|
| --
| Graham Kennedy
|
| Creator and Author,
| Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| http://www.ditl.org
|
She was digesting the food naturally, breathing naturally and processing her
liquids naturally.
Just as a person on a respirator processes oxygen
naturally, they just can't breathe it on their own.
It's exactly the same thing with food. She processed
it naturally, she just couldn't take it in on her
own - not even swallow things put in her mouth.
There's no distinction here.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Terri Schiavo |
02 Apr 2005 12:28:33 AM |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:Zyl3e.10642$C12.6687@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| Stephen wrote:
|
| > | So if the body can't get it's own oxygen and it has to
| > | be pumped in that's unnatural, but if the body can't
| > | get it's own food and it has to be pumped in, that's
| > | not unnatural?
| > |
| > | Yes people get food through tubes whilst alive - straws
| > | spring to mind. But as I understand it - and I have erred
| > | about the tube already in this thread so please correct me
| > | if I'm wrong - this woman wasn't *sucking* food through a
| > | straw, it was being *pumped* into her.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Graham Kennedy
| > |
| > | Creator and Author,
| > | Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| > | http://www.ditl.org
| > |
| >
| > She was digesting the food naturally, breathing naturally and processing
her
| > liquids naturally.
|
| Just as a person on a respirator processes oxygen
| naturally, they just can't breathe it on their own.
|
| It's exactly the same thing with food. She processed
| it naturally, she just couldn't take it in on her
| own - not even swallow things put in her mouth.
|
| There's no distinction here.
|
| --
| Graham Kennedy
|
| Creator and Author,
| Daystrom Institute Technical Library
| http://www.ditl.org
|
A baby needs to have hsi or her food delivered to them. They cannot get it
on their own. Terri was in a similar situation. She had to have her food
delivered. But neither Terri nor a baby needs a respirator. Simply being
provided with food and waer is not unnatural, even if it is by a tube.
They dehydrated her to death, why can't you just admit it?
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