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"David" |
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15 Feb 2005 07:46:43 PM |
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The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
Well, Jason's been back among us now for nearly a couple of months, and
his output, while lacking in substance, has been fairly prodigious.
One of the things that Jason does to puff himself up is pray daily for
some "atheist" or another. Now, contrary to his claims, Jason doesn't
do this because of any devotion to God or because he has any concern
for the "atheist" in question.
He does it because some have registered displeasure and Jason has made
it clear that he'll do what he pleases and no one is going to tell him
not to.
Even JESUS can't tell Jason not to pray in this manner, "to be seen by
men." That should tell you how important JESUS is to Jason, that is,
not at all - not really.
So, as Jason pouts and "prays" daily, let's consider another aspect
that helps illustrate just why there's so little to this daily exercise
and, indeed, that God pays Jason no mind.
I have responded to Jason several times and told him that God isn't
listening to him. I have been asked how I know this on a couple of
occasions, and it's a fair question.
Aside from the fact that Jason's own Scriptures forbid him to pray in
this way - addressing intent, in large part, as they do, and negating
any presumed excuses Jason and his sycopha...uh...lapd...uh...brother
make for his presumption to public piety - there is the good, old issue
of observed results.
Jason generally asks God for a couple of things in these prayers.
Those things include sending Christians to the individual to presumably
open the eyes to the "truth of the Word," the enlightenment of the
"truth of the Word" to the individual, and that God save this person's
soul.
Jason, of course, ignores my question that if he's praying for this
person, it's interesting that God needs to send "Christians" to them.
Jason prays and God still needs to send a Christian. I find that
amusing.
It reminds me of the old joke with the old U.S. Marine who says, "we're
looking for a few good men," and the reply, "they've got you and
they're STILL looking, eh?"
At any rate, before this gets too long with an old man's yammerings, I
just thought I'd take a poll.
Jason has prayed for about 30 people now, give or take.
That's a lot.
It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers and
whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
"atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
asked for.
Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians to
bring them to Jesus?
Has any "atheist" met any new Christian(s) that has, likewise, made
this kind of effort.
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many atheists
do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing else) -
or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the "Word."
Has any "atheist" become born again?
This is, of course, hardly scientific and certainly not definitive - it
won't prove anything, really, any more than Jason's prayers prove
anything.
I'll even conceded that Christians can complain that God works on his
own timetable and so it might be a bit much to expect anything to have
happened yet.
I suppose we can always keep track, though, just as I'm sure that any
"atheist" whom Jason prayers for and who "gets saved" will certainly
tell us.
But it seems to me that good evidence of the efficacy of Jason's
prayers would be the actual conversion of atheists for whom he prays.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
15 Feb 2005 10:23:08 PM |
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"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1108518403.266815.309520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Well, Jason's been back among us now for nearly a couple of months,
and his output, while lacking in substance, has been fairly
prodigious.
One of the things that Jason does to puff himself up is pray daily for
some "atheist" or another. Now, contrary to his claims, Jason doesn't
do this because of any devotion to God or because he has any concern
for the "atheist" in question.
He does it because some have registered displeasure and Jason has made
it clear that he'll do what he pleases and no one is going to tell him
not to.
Even JESUS can't tell Jason not to pray in this manner, "to be seen by
men." That should tell you how important JESUS is to Jason, that is,
not at all - not really.
So, as Jason pouts and "prays" daily, let's consider another aspect
that helps illustrate just why there's so little to this daily
exercise and, indeed, that God pays Jason no mind.
I have responded to Jason several times and told him that God isn't
listening to him. I have been asked how I know this on a couple of
occasions, and it's a fair question.
Aside from the fact that Jason's own Scriptures forbid him to pray in
this way - addressing intent, in large part, as they do, and negating
any presumed excuses Jason and his sycopha...uh...lapd...uh...brother
make for his presumption to public piety - there is the good, old
issue of observed results.
Jason generally asks God for a couple of things in these prayers.
Those things include sending Christians to the individual to
presumably open the eyes to the "truth of the Word," the enlightenment
of the "truth of the Word" to the individual, and that God save this
person's soul.
Jason, of course, ignores my question that if he's praying for this
person, it's interesting that God needs to send "Christians" to them.
Jason prays and God still needs to send a Christian. I find that
amusing.
It reminds me of the old joke with the old U.S. Marine who says,
"we're looking for a few good men," and the reply, "they've got you
and they're STILL looking, eh?"
At any rate, before this gets too long with an old man's yammerings, I
just thought I'd take a poll.
Jason has prayed for about 30 people now, give or take.
That's a lot.
I am one of those 30. As you'll see from my responses, two parts of his
prayer were effective, inadvertantly I'm sure.
It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers and
whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
"atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
asked for.
Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians to
bring them to Jesus?
No. Well, there's my mom...
Has any "atheist" met any new Christian(s) that has, likewise, made
this kind of effort.
No.
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many
atheists do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing
else) - or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the
"Word."
I have read and reread it many times before. I "discovered the truth"
about it long ago.
Has any "atheist" become born again?
No, I was born right the first time.
This is, of course, hardly scientific and certainly not definitive -
it won't prove anything, really, any more than Jason's prayers prove
anything.
I'll even conceded that Christians can complain that God works on his
own timetable and so it might be a bit much to expect anything to have
happened yet.
I suppose we can always keep track, though, just as I'm sure that any
"atheist" whom Jason prayers for and who "gets saved" will certainly
tell us.
But it seems to me that good evidence of the efficacy of Jason's
prayers would be the actual conversion of atheists for whom he prays.
I did see through the lies and deception of one who does not care about
my soul. His name is Jason Gastrich.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
15 Feb 2005 10:39:44 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1108518403.266815.309520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
< snip >
Jason has prayed for about 30 people now, give or take.
That's a lot.
I am one of those 30. As you'll see from my responses, two parts of
his
prayer were effective, inadvertantly I'm sure.
Well, let's consider them.
It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers
and
whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
"atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
asked for.
Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians
to
bring them to Jesus?
No. Well, there's my mom...
So the follow-up, I should think, would be to ask if this is something
that occurred after Jason's prayer, or if there was any increase in
evangelical intensity after the prayer, of if there is no difference.
< snip >
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many
atheists do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if
nothing
else) - or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the
"Word."
I have read and reread it many times before. I "discovered the truth"
about it long ago.
So there is no change between the before and after with regard to
Jason's prayer?
Has any "atheist" become born again?
No, I was born right the first time.
This is, of course, hardly scientific and certainly not definitive
-
it won't prove anything, really, any more than Jason's prayers
prove
anything.
I'll even conceded that Christians can complain that God works on
his
own timetable and so it might be a bit much to expect anything to
have
happened yet.
I suppose we can always keep track, though, just as I'm sure that
any
"atheist" whom Jason prayers for and who "gets saved" will
certainly
tell us.
But it seems to me that good evidence of the efficacy of Jason's
prayers would be the actual conversion of atheists for whom he
prays.
I did see through the lies and deception of one who does not care
about
my soul. His name is Jason Gastrich.
Ah, perhaps God DOES answer prayer.
Or perhaps you knew these things BEFORE the prayer?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
16 Feb 2005 07:17:08 AM |
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"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1108528784.548355.299790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1108518403.266815.309520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
< snip >
Jason has prayed for about 30 people now, give or take.
That's a lot.
I am one of those 30. As you'll see from my responses, two parts of
his prayer were effective, inadvertantly I'm sure.
Well, let's consider them.
It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers
and whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
"atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
asked for.
Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians
to bring them to Jesus?
No. Well, there's my mom...
So the follow-up, I should think, would be to ask if this is something
that occurred after Jason's prayer, or if there was any increase in
evangelical intensity after the prayer, of if there is no difference.
No, we have had an armed truce about that for a long time.
< snip >
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many
atheists do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if
nothing else) - or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY
"truth" in the "Word."
I have read and reread it many times before. I "discovered the truth"
about it long ago.
So there is no change between the before and after with regard to
Jason's prayer?
Has any "atheist" become born again?
No, I was born right the first time.
This is, of course, hardly scientific and certainly not definitive
- it won't prove anything, really, any more than Jason's prayers
prove anything.
I'll even conceded that Christians can complain that God works on
his own timetable and so it might be a bit much to expect anything
to have happened yet.
I suppose we can always keep track, though, just as I'm sure that
any "atheist" whom Jason prayers for and who "gets saved" will
certainly tell us.
But it seems to me that good evidence of the efficacy of Jason's
prayers would be the actual conversion of atheists for whom he
prays.
I did see through the lies and deception of one who does not care
about my soul. His name is Jason Gastrich.
Ah, perhaps God DOES answer prayer.
Or perhaps you knew these things BEFORE the prayer?
Well, yes, but minor details like that don't seem to bother a True
Believer. :-)
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
15 Feb 2005 08:26:27 PM |
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"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
(snip)
| It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers and
| whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
| "atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
| asked for.
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| Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians to
| bring them to Jesus?
Not in my case.
| Has any "atheist" met any new Christian(s) that has, likewise, made
| this kind of effort.
Not in my case.
| Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many atheists
| do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing else) -
| or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the "Word."
Not in my case.
| Has any "atheist" become born again?
Not in my case.
| This is, of course, hardly scientific and certainly not definitive - it
| won't prove anything, really, any more than Jason's prayers prove
| anything.
|
| I'll even conceded that Christians can complain that God works on his
| own timetable and so it might be a bit much to expect anything to have
| happened yet.
|
| I suppose we can always keep track, though, just as I'm sure that any
| "atheist" whom Jason prayers for and who "gets saved" will certainly
| tell us.
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| But it seems to me that good evidence of the efficacy of Jason's
| prayers would be the actual conversion of atheists for whom he prays.
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "David D." |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
15 Feb 2005 09:32:57 PM |
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lizzard woman wrote:
"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
(snip)
| It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers
and
| whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
| "atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
| asked for.
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| Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians
to
| bring them to Jesus?
Not in my case.
ditto
| Has any "atheist" met any new Christian(s) that has, likewise, made
| this kind of effort.
Not in my case.
ditto
| Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many
atheists
| do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing else)
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| or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the "Word."
Not in my case.
ditto
| Has any "atheist" become born again?
Not in my case.
ditto
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
15 Feb 2005 11:27:05 PM |
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"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108518403.266815.309520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
(snip)
It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers and
whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
"atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
asked for.
Nope, nothing yet.
Duke called me a "rummy", does that count?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
16 Feb 2005 10:56:11 AM |
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In our last episode
<1108518403.266815.309520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, David lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many atheists do
(to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing else) - or
commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the "Word."
I have to comment on this one. The impression I have from being in a.a. a
few years now is that the people *raised atheist are more likely to be
reading and studying the bible than those of us who deconverted. I find
that interesting.
I have no interest in ever reading that damn book again. I *think I have a
couple of my bibles around somewhere. In a box maybe. I'm pretty sure the
"study" materials and other Christian works went in the dumpster before
the last move. I believe I only kept a couple of the bibles (like the one
my grandparents gave me when I was a kid). I have no idea where they are
though.
Wasted too much of my time on that idiotic book to bother with it now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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16 Feb 2005 10:58:43 AM |
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In our last episode
<1108518403.266815.309520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, David lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
Oh, to answer the other questions since Gasbag tried his sorcery on me...
It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers and
whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the "atheists"
prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has asked for.
Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians to
bring them to Jesus?
Nope. In fact, since he tried hexing me, the sporadic idiots at the door
seem to have dropped off.
Has any "atheist" met any new Christian(s) that has, likewise, made this
kind of effort.
If anybody I've met recently is Christian, they haven't bothered to
mention it.
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many atheists do
(to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing else) - or
commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the "Word."
Can't even find my bibles.
Has any "atheist" become born again?
Not since I was nine years old...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
17 Feb 2005 09:19:38 PM |
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It's not looking so good for the power of prayer - at least so far.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
17 Feb 2005 09:22:26 PM |
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"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108696778.511643.270860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
It's not looking so good for the power of prayer - at least so far.
Hasn't worked on me yet ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
16 Feb 2005 02:04:13 AM |
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On 15 Feb 2005 17:46:43 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers and
whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
"atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
asked for.
Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians to
bring them to Jesus?
Nope. In fact, the local church stopped sending out their annoying
fliers after Jason's prayer appeared.
Has any "atheist" met any new Christian(s) that has, likewise, made
this kind of effort.
Not a one.
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many atheists
do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing else) -
or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the "Word."
Nope. Still a collection of myths, some really slanted history, and
outright lies.
Has any "atheist" become born again?
I got it right the first time, thank you!
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
16 Feb 2005 12:45:44 AM |
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On 15 Feb 2005 17:46:43 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians to
bring them to Jesus?
No, nothing whatsoever. If at all, the reverse.
Has any "atheist" met any new Christian(s) that has, likewise, made
this kind of effort.
A few times here in Thailand. Usually mor[m]ons. (I can't wait to turn
them into mincemeat.)
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many atheists
do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing else) -
or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the "Word."
I did read the bible, and found no truth at all in it. Exactly the
same can be said about any other religious text.
Has any "atheist" become born again?
Isn't once enough already?
This is, of course, hardly scientific and certainly not definitive - it
won't prove anything, really, any more than Jason's prayers prove
anything.
Jason is not praying at all. He is egotripping.
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
16 Feb 2005 02:22:28 AM |
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On 15 Feb 2005 17:46:43 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Well, Jason's been back among us now for nearly a couple of months, and
his output, while lacking in substance, has been fairly prodigious.
One of the things that Jason does to puff himself up is pray daily for
some "atheist" or another. Now, contrary to his claims, Jason doesn't
do this because of any devotion to God or because he has any concern
for the "atheist" in question.
He does it because some have registered displeasure and Jason has made
it clear that he'll do what he pleases and no one is going to tell him
not to.
Even JESUS can't tell Jason not to pray in this manner, "to be seen by
men." That should tell you how important JESUS is to Jason, that is,
not at all - not really.
So, as Jason pouts and "prays" daily, let's consider another aspect
that helps illustrate just why there's so little to this daily exercise
and, indeed, that God pays Jason no mind.
I have responded to Jason several times and told him that God isn't
listening to him. I have been asked how I know this on a couple of
occasions, and it's a fair question.
Aside from the fact that Jason's own Scriptures forbid him to pray in
this way - addressing intent, in large part, as they do, and negating
any presumed excuses Jason and his sycopha...uh...lapd...uh...brother
make for his presumption to public piety - there is the good, old issue
of observed results.
Jason generally asks God for a couple of things in these prayers.
Those things include sending Christians to the individual to presumably
open the eyes to the "truth of the Word," the enlightenment of the
"truth of the Word" to the individual, and that God save this person's
soul.
Jason, of course, ignores my question that if he's praying for this
person, it's interesting that God needs to send "Christians" to them.
Jason prays and God still needs to send a Christian. I find that
amusing.
It reminds me of the old joke with the old U.S. Marine who says, "we're
looking for a few good men," and the reply, "they've got you and
they're STILL looking, eh?"
At any rate, before this gets too long with an old man's yammerings, I
just thought I'd take a poll.
Jason has prayed for about 30 people now, give or take.
That's a lot.
It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers and
whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
"atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
asked for.
Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians to
bring them to Jesus?
Has any "atheist" met any new Christian(s) that has, likewise, made
this kind of effort.
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many atheists
do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing else) -
or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the "Word."
Has any "atheist" become born again?
This is, of course, hardly scientific and certainly not definitive - it
won't prove anything, really, any more than Jason's prayers prove
anything.
I'll even conceded that Christians can complain that God works on his
own timetable and so it might be a bit much to expect anything to have
happened yet.
I suppose we can always keep track, though, just as I'm sure that any
"atheist" whom Jason prayers for and who "gets saved" will certainly
tell us.
But it seems to me that good evidence of the efficacy of Jason's
prayers would be the actual conversion of atheists for whom he prays.
David,
I don't think this is fair. Smells of discrimination based on
religion to me. The atheists get to answer all the neat questions and
I don't get to just because Jason didn't pray for me and just because
I am already a Christian. I wanna play, too.
Well, I guess, I don't feel all that bad because he didn't pray for Al
Klein either - wonder why?
Let's see, you could pray for an atheist to get saved if you wanted
to. But God won't over ride the atheists free will because God
respects people. Jason knows that (I hope). Well, there is only one
Biblical reason left not to pray for Al Klein. If Al Klein had
comitted the unforgiveable sin and become seed of the serpent (a child
of Satan) then he could not get saved because you can only have one
spiritual Father. Hmm. Wonder if Jason thinks that Al Klein is the
Devils son -
I'm scared of Al Klein for real now. Before I was just scared cause
he was always mean to me. Now he may put a hex or a spell on me if I
ain't nice to him.
Hey Al, in case you read this I think you are a real swell guy. And I
like all your posts, even the ones where you were mean to me.
Oh, I forgot. I'm a son of God. Al can't hurt me. Unless I get out
of fellowship with God. Hmm. Better play it safe and stay on Al's
good side. But does he have a good side - I mean if he's the devils
kid, does he have a good side. Wonder if he is married and has kids.
Wonder if they would vouch for him.
David. Do you know Al Klein? Does he have a good side that I could
get on? You would tell me truth wouldn't you. Are you an atheist
David?
Towlie posted a prayer for Jason, maybe he would know.
Towlie does Al Klein have a good side that I could get on?
That darn Jason. See what he has done. Got me all confused. If he
wouldn't have posted those prayers, David wouldn't have started this
thread, and wouldn't be wondering all these things.
BB
Guns don't kill people. Jason kills* people.
Guns don't kill people. Not getting saved kills people.
Guns don't kill people. Not knowing the Word get's people killed.
Guns don't kill people. Satan kills people.
Kill files
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
16 Feb 2005 08:11:48 AM |
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"Bible Bob" <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote in message
news:cnv511tmopil571e97sgof3pa6j614h5ra@4ax.com...
(snip)
| David,
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| I don't think this is fair. Smells of discrimination based on
| religion to me. The atheists get to answer all the neat questions and
| I don't get to just because Jason didn't pray for me and just because
| I am already a Christian. I wanna play, too.
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| Well, I guess, I don't feel all that bad because he didn't pray for Al
| Klein either - wonder why?
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| Let's see, you could pray for an atheist to get saved if you wanted
| to. But God won't over ride the atheists free will because God
| respects people. Jason knows that (I hope). Well, there is only one
| Biblical reason left not to pray for Al Klein. If Al Klein had
| comitted the unforgiveable sin and become seed of the serpent (a child
| of Satan) then he could not get saved because you can only have one
| spiritual Father. Hmm. Wonder if Jason thinks that Al Klein is the
| Devils son -
|
| I'm scared of Al Klein for real now. Before I was just scared cause
| he was always mean to me. Now he may put a hex or a spell on me if I
| ain't nice to him.
|
| Hey Al, in case you read this I think you are a real swell guy. And I
| like all your posts, even the ones where you were mean to me.
|
| Oh, I forgot. I'm a son of God. Al can't hurt me. Unless I get out
| of fellowship with God. Hmm. Better play it safe and stay on Al's
| good side. But does he have a good side - I mean if he's the devils
| kid, does he have a good side. Wonder if he is married and has kids.
| Wonder if they would vouch for him.
|
| David. Do you know Al Klein? Does he have a good side that I could
| get on? You would tell me truth wouldn't you. Are you an atheist
| David?
|
| Towlie posted a prayer for Jason, maybe he would know.
|
| Towlie does Al Klein have a good side that I could get on?
|
| That darn Jason. See what he has done. Got me all confused. If he
| wouldn't have posted those prayers, David wouldn't have started this
| thread, and wouldn't be wondering all these things.
Bible Bob, you seem to have a primitive, superstitious mind.
Can I invite you to join us here in the modern world of free-thought? I
think you'll like it.
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
17 Feb 2005 09:24:50 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On 15 Feb 2005 17:46:43 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Well, Jason's been back among us now for nearly a couple of months,
and
his output, while lacking in substance, has been fairly prodigious.
One of the things that Jason does to puff himself up is pray daily
for
some "atheist" or another. Now, contrary to his claims, Jason
doesn't
do this because of any devotion to God or because he has any concern
for the "atheist" in question.
He does it because some have registered displeasure and Jason has
made
it clear that he'll do what he pleases and no one is going to tell
him
not to.
Even JESUS can't tell Jason not to pray in this manner, "to be seen
by
men." That should tell you how important JESUS is to Jason, that
is,
not at all - not really.
So, as Jason pouts and "prays" daily, let's consider another aspect
that helps illustrate just why there's so little to this daily
exercise
and, indeed, that God pays Jason no mind.
I have responded to Jason several times and told him that God isn't
listening to him. I have been asked how I know this on a couple of
occasions, and it's a fair question.
Aside from the fact that Jason's own Scriptures forbid him to pray
in
this way - addressing intent, in large part, as they do, and
negating
any presumed excuses Jason and his
sycopha...uh...lapd...uh...brother
make for his presumption to public piety - there is the good, old
issue
of observed results.
Jason generally asks God for a couple of things in these prayers.
Those things include sending Christians to the individual to
presumably
open the eyes to the "truth of the Word," the enlightenment of the
"truth of the Word" to the individual, and that God save this
person's
soul.
Jason, of course, ignores my question that if he's praying for this
person, it's interesting that God needs to send "Christians" to
them.
Jason prays and God still needs to send a Christian. I find that
amusing.
It reminds me of the old joke with the old U.S. Marine who says,
"we're
looking for a few good men," and the reply, "they've got you and
they're STILL looking, eh?"
At any rate, before this gets too long with an old man's yammerings,
I
just thought I'd take a poll.
Jason has prayed for about 30 people now, give or take.
That's a lot.
It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers
and
whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
"atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
asked for.
Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians
to
bring them to Jesus?
Has any "atheist" met any new Christian(s) that has, likewise, made
this kind of effort.
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many
atheists
do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing else)
-
or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the "Word."
Has any "atheist" become born again?
This is, of course, hardly scientific and certainly not definitive -
it
won't prove anything, really, any more than Jason's prayers prove
anything.
I'll even conceded that Christians can complain that God works on
his
own timetable and so it might be a bit much to expect anything to
have
happened yet.
I suppose we can always keep track, though, just as I'm sure that
any
"atheist" whom Jason prayers for and who "gets saved" will certainly
tell us.
But it seems to me that good evidence of the efficacy of Jason's
prayers would be the actual conversion of atheists for whom he
prays.
David,
I don't think this is fair.
Of course it's fair, Bob.
Smells of discrimination based on
religion to me.
I'm looking to see if the prayers of one particular, self-righteous
"Christian" are having an effect.
And by the way, if you're under the impression that Jason - and you -
are not being discriminatory on the basis of religion (or, in this
case, the lack of it), you're mistaken.
"Discrimination" has become a dirty word in society, but we do it every
day at some level.
The atheists get to answer all the neat questions and
I don't get to just because Jason didn't pray for me and just because
I am already a Christian. I wanna play, too.
In this case, it's something of an experiment, with a specific result
that is being sought and specific pieces of data being examined to
determine if that result has occurred, is occurring, or is likely to
occur.
One doesn't just bounce into an experiment and change the conditions to
suit himself. It doesn't work that way, Bob.
Well, I guess, I don't feel all that bad because he didn't pray for
Al
Klein either - wonder why?
Well, there are some that Jason doesn't mind seeing "saved" and some
Jason would just as soon see go to Hell.
If Jason REALLY doesn't like you, he won't pray for you.
And if you think about it, that just serves as more evidence that
Jason's religion is about Jason - not about God.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
17 Feb 2005 05:33:48 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:22:28 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> said in alt.atheism:
Well, I guess, I don't feel all that bad because he didn't pray for Al
Klein either - wonder why?
Because he plonked me a while ago.
Let's see, you could pray for an atheist to get saved if you wanted
to. But God won't over ride the atheists free will because God
respects people.
So one has to be Pharaoh to have his free will "overridden"?
Well, there is only one
Biblical reason left not to pray for Al Klein. If Al Klein had
comitted the unforgiveable sin and become seed of the serpent (a child
of Satan) then he could not get saved because you can only have one
spiritual Father. Hmm. Wonder if Jason thinks that Al Klein is the
Devils son -
Satan is another Christian make-believe - we don't believe in him
either. :)
I'm scared of Al Klein for real now. Before I was just scared cause
he was always mean to me. Now he may put a hex or a spell on me if I
ain't nice to him.
Boo! :)
Guns don't kill people. Jason kills* people.
Guns don't kill people. Not getting saved kills people.
Guns don't kill people. Not knowing the Word get's people killed.
Guns don't kill people. Satan kills people.
According to your religion, we ALL die, Christian, atheist, Satanist
.... so no one has to kill us.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
There are three kinds of men:
The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
- (Will Rogers)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: The Power of Prayer and Jason Gastrich |
16 Feb 2005 12:02:03 AM |
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TV's David wrote:
Jason has prayed for about 30 people now, give or take.
And one walking, talking towel.
That's a lot.
It seems to me that a good measure of the power of Jason's prayers and
whether or not God is listening to them is to ask if ANY of the
"atheists" prayed for have noticed any of the things that Jason has
asked for.
Has any "atheist" noticed any effort on the part of any Christians to
bring them to Jesus?
Has any "atheist" met any new Christian(s) that has, likewise, made
this kind of effort.
Has any "atheist" either continued to read the Bible - as many atheists
do (to study as a matter of history or literature, if nothing else) -
or commenced reading the Bible and found ANY "truth" in the "Word."
Has any "atheist" become born again?
Negative on all responses.
--
Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast -
Meatwad
Get off your fuckin' cross. We need the fuckin' space to nail the next fool
martyr - Tool, "Eulogy"
aa #2133
ap #19
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