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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"duke"
Date:	28 Oct 2004 05:10:59 AM
Object:	The Russians did it, the Russians did it

The Russians are reportedly the entity that took the illegal weapons and moved them out
thru Syria before the war started.
Today, flipper kerry must find a brand new campaign issue to use in his fight for the
Presidency.
5 days and counting.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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User: "Denis Loubet"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 02:11:27 PM

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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The Russians are reportedly the entity that took the illegal weapons and

moved them out

thru Syria before the war started.

And we didn't know? We didn't check? We didn't care?
You are saying that Bush is incompetant. We knew that.

Today, flipper kerry must find a brand new campaign issue to use in his

fight for the

Presidency.

It's incompetance that we didn't know where the explosives went.

5 days and counting.

Til Bush's pink slip.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 05:14:18 PM

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:11:27 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:

And we didn't know? We didn't check? We didn't care?

Saddam said we couldn't look.

You are saying that Bush is incompetant. We knew that.

No, saddam was in charge at the time, and he fears Bush now.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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User: "Raptor514"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 10:45:41 AM

Says who? Source?
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User: "Elf M. Sternberg"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 02:57:22 PM

"Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com> writes:

Says who? Source?

The Washington Times quoted John Shaw, U.S. deputy undersecretary of
defense for international technology security, as saying that the
Russians had "almost definitely" removed the explosives prior to the
arrival of U.S. troops.
The Russians and the Iraqi Interim government both deny the involvement
of the Russians in any such operations and insist the explosives were
there after the invasion began.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933
An Iraqi insurgency group claims to have taken the explosives:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3683883
And ABC reporter embedded with the 101st Airborne Calvary Division took
pictures on April 18, 2003, and sure enough there are clearly
depositories of explosives in one of bunkers the troops examined.
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1
Duke can say what he wants. The reality is than the explosives an
al-Qaqaa disappeared after April 18th, after U.S. solidiers had been to
the sight at least twice already.
As if the explosives weren't enough of a headache:
On April 16, 2003, a mob attacked and looted the Iraqi equivalent of
the Centers for Disease Control, taking live HIV and black fever
virus among other potentially lethal materials. US troops were
stationed across the street but did not intervene because they
didn't know the building was important. When he found out, the
young American lieutenant was devastated. He shook his head and
said, "I hope I am not responsible for Armageddon."
- Ambassador Peter W. Galbraith.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/10/27/eyewitness_to_a_failure_in_iraq/
Elf
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User: "Firelock"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	02 Nov 2004 09:54:32 AM

"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message news:<87r7niaa59.fsf@drizzle.com>...

"Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com> writes:

Says who? Source?

Why would the Russians admit to it?

and the Iraqi Interim government

Which wasn't in charge of the area at the time.

both deny the involvement
of the Russians in any such operations

A denial that is worth what, exactly?

and insist the explosives were there after the invasion began.

An insistance that cannot be fully supported.

An Iraqi insurgency group claims to have taken the explosives:

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3683883

And Iraqi insurgency groups never give false information,
right?

And ABC reporter embedded with the 101st Airborne Calvary Division took
pictures on April 18, 2003, and sure enough there are clearly
depositories of explosives in one of bunkers the troops examined.

One bunker of how many? Nine?

Duke can say what he wants. The reality is

...still to be determined.
The fact that this happened eighteen months ago and wasn't
reported until now - so that the wild speculations can't
be properly answered in time - is undeniably a partisan
move by a supposedly objective news organization. The
myth of unbiased media is long dead, but they still pretend.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 05:13:02 PM

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:45:41 GMT, "Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com> wrote:

Says who? Source?

National news.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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User: "Raptor514"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 08:04:05 PM

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:45:41 GMT, "Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com>

wrote:

Says who? Source?

National news.

Just saw it on the Washington Times. Looks like the other networks haven't
caught up yet, even Fox hasn't jumped on it yet.
If this story bears out it will raise a lot of painful questions for a lot
of people. And if it doesn't bear out it will probably be quietly ignored.
.. .
We will see.
Raptor514

duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****

User: "duke"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	29 Oct 2004 12:34:19 PM

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:04:05 GMT, "Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com> wrote:

Says who? Source?

National news.

Just saw it on the Washington Times. Looks like the other networks haven't
caught up yet, even Fox hasn't jumped on it yet.

Friday at noon today Fox carried the news conference where the US Military claimed it blew
up the explosives.

If this story bears out it will raise a lot of painful questions for a lot
of people. And if it doesn't bear out it will probably be quietly ignored.

duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
.

User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	29 Oct 2004 07:18:59 PM

duke wrote:

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:04:05 GMT, "Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com>
wrote:

Says who? Source?

National news.

Just saw it on the Washington Times. Looks like the other networks
haven't caught up yet, even Fox hasn't jumped on it yet.

Friday at noon today Fox carried the news conference where the US Military
claimed it blew up the explosives.

False. See the LA Times.
Commander Pearson of the 101st destroyed other munitions,
not these bunkers of IAEA tagged explosives.
He'd removed munitions on April 13, KCAT reporters found
the bunkers on the 18th.
Long after the other stuff had been dealt with.
So it obviously wasn't the RDX or HMX
*****************************************************
Los Angeles Times - latimes.com
October 29,2004
Pentagon Tries to Account for Missing
Explosives
From Associated Press
WASHINGTON An Army unit removed 250
tons of ammunition from the Al-Qaqaa
weapons depot in April 2003 and later
destroyed it, the company's former
commander said today. A Pentagon
spokesman said some was of the same
type as the missing explosives that
have become a major issue in the
presidential campaign.
But those 250 tons were not located
under the seal of the International
Atomic Energy Agency -- as the
missing high-grade explosives had
been -- and Pentagon spokesman Larry
Di Rita could not definitely say
whether they were part of the missing
377 tons.
Maj. Austin Pearson, speaking at a press
conference at thePentagon, said his
team removed 250 tons of TNT, plastic
explosives, detonation cords, and
white phosporous rounds on April 13,
2003 -- 10 days after U.S. forces
first reached the Al Qaqaa site.
Real Estate
"I did not see any IAEA seals at any
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
of the locations we went into. I was
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
not looking for that," Pearson said.
Di Rita sought to point to Pearson's
comments as evidence that some RDX,
one of the high-energy explosives,
might have been removed from the
site. RDX is also known as plastic
explosive.
But Di Rita acknowledged: "I can't
say RDX that was on the list of IAEA
is what the major pulled out. ... We
believe that some of the things they
were pulling out of there were RDX."
Further study was needed, Di Rita
said.
Whether Saddam Hussein's forces
removed the explosives before U.S.
forces arrived on April 3, 2003, or
whether they fell into the hands of
looters and insurgents afterward --
because the site was not guarded by
U.S. troops -- has become a key issue
in the campaign.
Pearson's comments raise further
questions about the chain of events
surrounding these explosives, the
disappearance of which has been
repeatedly cited by Democrat John
Kerry as evidence of the Bush
administration's poor handling of the
war in Iraq.
***********
The window in which the explosives
were most likely removed from Al-
Qaqaa begins on March 15, 2003 --
five days before the war started --
and ends in late May, when a U.S.
weapons inspection team declared the
depot stripped and looted.
Two weeks ago, Iraqi officials told
the United Nations' International
Atomic Energy Agency that the
explosives vanished as a result of
"theft and looting ... due to lack of
security."
The explosives were known to be
housed in storage bunkers at the
sprawling Al-Qaqaa complex and nearby
structures. U.N. nuclear inspectors
placed fresh seals over the bunker
doors in January 2003. The inspectors
visited Al-Qaqaa for the last time
that March 15 and reported that the
seals were not broken; concluding the
weapons were still inside at the
time.
****************
On April 13, Pearson's ordnance-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
disposal team arrived and took the
250 tons out in a day. That materiel
was later destroyed by U.S. forces.
His comments may suggest that some of
it was still there when U.S. forces
arrived.
On April 18, a Minnesota television
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
crew traveling with the 101st
Airborne shot a videotape of troops
as they first opened the bunkers at
the Al-Qaqaa that shows what appeared
to be high explosives still in
barrels and bearing the markings of
the International Atomic Energy
Agency.
U.S. weapons hunters did not give the
area a thorough search until May,
when they visited on three occasions,
starting May 8. They searched every
building on the compound over the
course of those three visits, but did
not find any material or explosives
that had been marked by the IAEA.
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User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	29 Oct 2004 12:14:06 AM

Raptor514 wrote:

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:45:41 GMT, "Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com>

wrote:

Says who? Source?

National news.

Just saw it on the Washington Times. Looks like the other networks
haven't caught up yet, even Fox hasn't jumped on it yet.

If this story bears out it will raise a lot of painful questions for a lot
of people. And if it doesn't bear out it will probably be quietly
ignored. . .

We will see.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3741.html?cat=1
http://www.kstptv5.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=64
Here you can see the explosives and IAEA seals.
The explosives were not stole by then sneaky Rooshians.
Moonie Times fantasies not withstanding.
And what hapened then?
The New York Times
October 28, 2004
MISSING EXPLOSIVES
4 Iraqis Tell of Looting at Munitions Site in '03
By JAMES GLANZ and JIM DWYER
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 27 - Looters stormed the weapons site at Al Qaqaa in
the days after American troops swept through the area in early April 2003
on their way to Baghdad, gutting office buildings, carrying off munitions
and even dismantling heavy
machinery, three Iraqi witnesses and a regional security chief said
Wednesday.
The Iraqis described an orgy of theft so extensive that enterprising
residents rented their trucks to looters. But some looting was clearly
indiscriminate, with people grabbing anything they could find and later
heaving unwanted items off the trucks.
Two witnesses were employees of Al Qaqaa - one a chemical engineer and
the other a mechanic - and the third was a former employee, a chemist, who
had come back to retrieve his records, determined to keep them out of
American hands. The mechanic, Ahmed
Saleh Mezher, said employees asked the Americans to protect the site but
were told this was not the soldiers' responsibility.
The accounts do not directly address the question of when 380 tons of
powerful conventional explosives vanished from the site sometime after
early March, the last time international inspectors checked the seals on
the bunkers where the material was
stored. It is possible that Iraqi forces removed some explosives before
the invasion.
But the accounts make clear that what set off much if not all of the
looting was the arrival and swift departure of American troops, who did not
secure the site after inducing the Iraqi forces to abandon it.
"The looting started after the collapse of the regime," said Wathiq
al-Dulaimi, a regional security chief, who was based nearby in Latifiya.
But once it had begun, he said, the booty streamed toward Baghdad.
Earlier this month, on Oct. 10, the directorate of national monitoring at
the Ministry of Science and Technology notified the International Atomic
Energy Agency that the explosives, which are used in demolition and
missiles and are the raw material for
plastic explosives, were missing. The agency has monitored the explosives
because they can also be used as the initiator of an atomic bomb.
Agency officials examined the explosives in January 2003 and noted in
early March that their seals were still in place. On April 3, the Third
Infantry Division arrived with the first American troops.
Chris Anderson, a photographer for U.S. News and World Report who was
with the division's Second Brigade, recalled that the area was jammed with
American armor on April 3 and 4, which he believed made the removal of the
explosives unlikely. "It would be
quite improbable for this amount of weapons to be looted at that time
because of the traffic jam of armor," he said.
The brigade blew up numerous caches of arms throughout the area, he said.
Mr. Anderson said he did not enter the munitions compound.
The Second Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division arrived outside the
site on April 10, under the command of Col. Joseph Anderson. The brigade
had been ordered to move quickly to Baghdad because of civil disorder there
after Mr. Hussein's government
fell on April 9.
They gathered at Al Qaqaa, about 30 miles south, simply as a matter of
convenience, Colonel Anderson said in an interview this week. He said that
when he arrived at the site - unaware of its significance - he saw no signs
of looting, but was not paying
close attention.
Because he thought the brigade would be moving on to Baghdad within
hours, Al Qaqaa was of no importance to his mission, he said, and he was
unaware of the explosives that international inspectors said were hidden
inside.
Pentagon officials said Wednesday that analysts were examining
surveillance photographs of the munitions site. But they expressed doubts
that the photographs, which showed vehicles at the location on several
occasions early in the conflict, before
American troops moved through the area, would be able to indicate
conclusively when the explosives were removed.
Col. David Perkins, who commanded the Second Brigade of the Third
Infantry Division, called it "very highly improbable" that 380 tons of
explosives could have been trucked out of Al Qaqaa in the weeks after
American troops arrived.
Moving that much material, said Colonel Perkins, who spoke Wednesday to
news agencies and cable television, "would have required dozens of heavy
trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat
divisions occupied continually for
weeks."
He conceded that some looting of the site had taken place. But a chemical
engineer who worked at Al Qaqaa and identified himself only as Khalid said
that once troops left the base itself, people streamed in to steal
computers and anything else of value
from the offices. They also took munitions like artillery shells, he said.
Mr. Mezher, the mechanic, said it took the looters about two weeks to
disassemble heavy machinery at the site and carry that off after the
smaller items were gone.
James Glanz reported from Baghdad for this article and Jim Dwyer from New
York. Ali Adeeb contributed reporting from Baghdad, and Khalid W. Hussein
and Zainab Obeid fromAl Qaqaa.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	29 Oct 2004 12:35:04 PM

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:14:06 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

If this story bears out it will raise a lot of painful questions for a lot
of people. And if it doesn't bear out it will probably be quietly
ignored. . .

We will see.

The US military blew up the explosives.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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User: "Raptor514"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	29 Oct 2004 07:02:12 PM

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:14:06 -0400, wbarwell

<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

If this story bears out it will raise a lot of painful questions for a

lot

of people. And if it doesn't bear out it will probably be quietly
ignored. . .

We will see.

The US military blew up the explosives.

Give us a link, not an unsupported one-liner. This isn't a fantasy game
after all.
Raptor514

duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****

User: "Jez"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	30 Oct 2004 02:40:22 PM

Raptor514 wrote:

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6pv4o0940p9crqr8pcsfdpl00ldbb1qjmd@4ax.com...

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:14:06 -0400, wbarwell

<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

If this story bears out it will raise a lot of painful questions for a

lot

of people. And if it doesn't bear out it will probably be quietly
ignored. . .

We will see.

The US military blew up the explosives.

Give us a link, not an unsupported one-liner. This isn't a fantasy game
after all.

All of life is a fantasy to Duke, it would seem....
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
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User: "GlennGlenn"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 01:25:06 PM

Raptor514 wrote:

Says who? Source?

Says Earl.
What, that's not good enough?
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User: "Elf M. Sternberg"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 10:15:13 AM

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:

The Russians are reportedly the entity that took the illegal weapons and moved them out
thru Syria before the war started.

Last time I checked, the KGB was backing Bush.
Elf
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User: "Alan Hobson"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 12:59:08 PM

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<m5h1o0lejosfnh34dk6de2qqeqvq3oj3j0@4ax.com>...

The Russians are reportedly the entity that took the illegal weapons and moved them out
thru Syria before the war started.

Today, flipper kerry must find a brand new campaign issue to use in his fight for the
Presidency.

5 days and counting.

Got any evidence? How about a source for your statements? What'll be
next -- aliens took them?
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
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User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 01:07:35 PM

"Alan Hobson" <alhob@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:<m5h1o0lejosfnh34dk6de2qqeqvq3oj3j0@4ax.com>...

The Russians are reportedly the entity that took the illegal weapons and
moved them out
thru Syria before the war started.

Today, flipper kerry must find a brand new campaign issue to use in his
fight for the
Presidency.

5 days and counting.

Got any evidence? How about a source for your statements? What'll be
next -- aliens took them?

I don't believe these guys are either Russians or aliens:
Armed Group Claims to Have Iraq Explosives
1 hour, 52 minutes ago Middle East - AP
BAGHDAD, Iraq - An armed group claimed in a video Thursday to have obtained
a large amount of explosives missing from a munitions depot facility in Iraq
(news - web sites) and threatened to use them against foreign troops.
A group calling itself Al-Islam's Army Brigades, Al-Karar Brigade, said it
had coordinated with officers and soldiers of "the American intelligence" to
obtain a "huge amount of the explosives that were in the al-Qaqaa facility."
The claim couldn't be independently verified. The speaker was surrounded by
masked, armed men standing in front of a black banner with the group's name
on it in the tape obtained by Associated Press Television News.
"We promise God and the Iraqi people that we will use it against the
occupation forces and those who cooperate with them in the event of these
forces threatening any Iraqi city," the man added.
Nearly 400 tons of conventional explosives have disappeared from the
al-Qaqaa facility south of Baghdad, according to the International Atomic
Energy Agency.
The U.N. agency's chief Mohamed ElBaradei, reported the disappearance to the
U.N. Security Council on Monday, two weeks after Iraqi officials told the
nuclear agency that 377 tons of explosives had vanished as a result of
"theft and looting ... due to lack of security."
The disappearance of the explosives has become a huge campaign issue in the
U.S. presidential election.
Meanwhile, Iraqi extremists in videotape aired Thursday by Al-Jazeera
television showed what they said was a Polish woman hostage held in Iraq and
demanded that Poland remove all its troops from Iraq.
The group, which called itself the Abu Bakr al-Siddiq Fundamentalist
Brigades, said the woman, who was not identified, works with U.S. troops in
Iraq. They also demanded the release of all Iraqi female prisoners.
Interior Ministry spokesman Col. Adnan Abdul Rahman said the woman was a
longtime Iraq resident with Iraqi citizenship and was believed to have been
abducted Wednesday night from her home in Baghdad. Abdul Rahman did not
release her name.
A middle-aged woman with gray hair and dressed in a pink polka-dotted blouse
sat in front of two masked gunmen, one of whom was pointing a pistol at her
head. Her voice was not audible on the tape.
Al-Jazeera said the woman called on Polish troops to leave the country and
for U.S. and Iraqi authorities to release all female detainees from the Abu
Ghraib prison. The announcer said she had been "working in Iraq for a long
time."
In Warsaw, a Polish Defense Ministry official said she apparently did not
belong to any of the Polish military units. Polish television TVN24 reported
that all Polish journalists in Iraq have been accounted for.
Ahmed al-Sheikh, Al-Jazeera's editor-in-chief, said the kidnappers did not
mention a specific threat on the tape nor did they give a deadline for their
demands to be met. He would not say when or how the station obtained the
tape.
Poland commands some 6,000 troops from 15 nations - including some 2,400
from Poland - in the Babil, Karbala and Wasit provinces.
The armed group had also claimed responsibility in the September kidnapping
of 10 Turkish hostages, who were released this month.
Late Wednesday, Al-Jazeera aired a video showing British aid worker Margaret
Hassan, who again pleaded with Britain to withdraw its forces from Iraq even
as some 800 British troops began deploying toward the Baghdad area. They
were expected to relieve U.S. troops in the capital who are being preparing
for a major assault on insurgent areas west and north of the capital.
Hassan, 59, who ran CARE International's operations in Iraq, has been the
most high-profile of foreign hostages abducted in Iraq. No group has claimed
responsibility in her abduction.
She also asked for the release of female Iraqi detainees and the closure of
CARE's operations in Iraq.
A day earlier, a militant Web site ran a claim by the al-Qaida-linked group
led by Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi vowing to kill a 24-year-old
Japanese hostage within 48 hours unless Japan withdrew its 500 troops from
the country.
Japan's Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi swiftly refused the demand, saying
he wouldn't give in to terrorists.
Meanwhile, fighting continued on several fronts.
_ U.S. aircraft bombed a suspected rebel safehouse Thursday in the insurgent
stronghold of Fallujah, killing two people, the U.S. military and witnesses
said.
_ A car bomb exploded Thursday in southern Baghdad, killing a U.S. soldier
and at least one Iraqi civilian, the U.S. military said.
_ Insurgents clashed with U.S. forces Thursday in the restive central Iraq
town of Ramadi, leaving two people dead, according to the U.S. military and
hospital officials.
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	28 Oct 2004 03:29:15 PM

In our last episode <2ucqr5F29o7jsU2@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:

BAGHDAD, Iraq - An armed group claimed in a video Thursday to have
obtained a large amount of explosives missing from a munitions depot
facility in Iraq (news - web sites) and threatened to use them against
foreign troops.

Dukkke'll just claim Kerry did it...
--
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User: "johac"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	29 Oct 2004 01:20:57 AM

In article <jI2dnXjGRrTwyxzcRVn-tw@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <2ucqr5F29o7jsU2@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:

Dukkke'll just claim Kerry did it...

Bush and Rove will claim it was the Clintons.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	29 Oct 2004 06:56:33 AM

In our last episode <jhachm-036C80.23205728102004@news.giganews.com>,
johac lept out of the bushes shouting:

In article <jI2dnXjGRrTwyxzcRVn-tw@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <2ucqr5F29o7jsU2@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:

Dukkke'll just claim Kerry did it...

Bush and Rove will claim it was the Clintons.

Actually, I see the latest talking point of the Support! Our! Troops!
cadre is "why can't we blame the troops?"
I actually just heard that on CNN. A guy from the Kerry campaign said it
was wrong to blame the troops. The woman from the Bush campaign demanded
to know why can't we blame them? She was quite indignant...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	30 Oct 2004 01:43:41 AM

In article <9dydnQEfYLRcsh_cRVn-qw@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <jhachm-036C80.23205728102004@news.giganews.com>,
johac lept out of the bushes shouting:

In article <jI2dnXjGRrTwyxzcRVn-tw@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <2ucqr5F29o7jsU2@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:

Dukkke'll just claim Kerry did it...

Bush and Rove will claim it was the Clintons.

Actually just today Rudy Giuliani actually said that the troops at the
scene, not Bush were responsible:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=207859
Support the troops indeed.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	30 Oct 2004 06:57:15 AM

In our last episode <jhachm-37C9E7.23434129102004@news.giganews.com>,
johac lept out of the bushes shouting:

In article <9dydnQEfYLRcsh_cRVn-qw@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <jhachm-036C80.23205728102004@news.giganews.com>,
johac lept out of the bushes shouting:

In article <jI2dnXjGRrTwyxzcRVn-tw@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <2ucqr5F29o7jsU2@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:

BAGHDAD, Iraq - An armed group claimed in a video Thursday to have
obtained a large amount of explosives missing from a munitions
depot facility in Iraq (news - web sites) and threatened to use
them against foreign troops.

Dukkke'll just claim Kerry did it...

Bush and Rove will claim it was the Clintons.

Actually just today Rudy Giuliani actually said that the troops at the
scene, not Bush were responsible:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=207859

Support the troops indeed.

Bush is such a take charge kinda guy ain't he?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	31 Oct 2004 01:07:09 AM

In article <NtmdnSz__sz7HB7cRVn-qg@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <jhachm-37C9E7.23434129102004@news.giganews.com>,
johac lept out of the bushes shouting:

In article <9dydnQEfYLRcsh_cRVn-qw@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <jhachm-036C80.23205728102004@news.giganews.com>,
johac lept out of the bushes shouting:

In article <jI2dnXjGRrTwyxzcRVn-tw@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <2ucqr5F29o7jsU2@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:

BAGHDAD, Iraq - An armed group claimed in a video Thursday to have
obtained a large amount of explosives missing from a munitions
depot facility in Iraq (news - web sites) and threatened to use
them against foreign troops.

Dukkke'll just claim Kerry did it...

Bush and Rove will claim it was the Clintons.

Actually just today Rudy Giuliani actually said that the troops at the
scene, not Bush were responsible:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=207859

Support the troops indeed.

Bush is such a take charge kinda guy ain't he?

He's in charge until something goes wrong. Then he and Rove rush out and
fine the nearest scapegoat to pin the blame on. In this case it was the
troops who were probably only doing what they were supposed to do.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	31 Oct 2004 05:42:27 AM

In our last episode <jhachm-3A2002.00070931102004@news.giganews.com>,
johac lept out of the bushes shouting:

In article <NtmdnSz__sz7HB7cRVn-qg@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <jhachm-37C9E7.23434129102004@news.giganews.com>,
johac lept out of the bushes shouting:

In article <9dydnQEfYLRcsh_cRVn-qw@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <jhachm-036C80.23205728102004@news.giganews.com>,
johac lept out of the bushes shouting:

In article <jI2dnXjGRrTwyxzcRVn-tw@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <2ucqr5F29o7jsU2@uni-berlin.de>, Robibnikoff
lept out of the bushes shouting:

BAGHDAD, Iraq - An armed group claimed in a video Thursday to
have obtained a large amount of explosives missing from a
munitions depot facility in Iraq (news - web sites) and
threatened to use them against foreign troops.

Dukkke'll just claim Kerry did it...

Bush and Rove will claim it was the Clintons.

Actually just today Rudy Giuliani actually said that the troops at the
scene, not Bush were responsible:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=207859

Support the troops indeed.

Bush is such a take charge kinda guy ain't he?

Damn convenient having people you can order around then blame for doing
what you ordered them to do...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: The Russians did it, the Russians did it	01 Nov 2004 12:42:25 AM

In article <d4-dncDcDr_2UhncRVn-sg@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote: