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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Stilgar"
Date: 29 Nov 2007 09:19:39 AM
Object: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction-
That question has intrigued humans for thousands of years. The general
view in ancient times was that the earth was flat. The Babylonians, for
example, believed that the universe was a box or a chamber with the
earth as its floor. Vedic priests of India imagined that the earth was
flat and that only one side of it was inhabited. A primitive tribe in
Asia pictured the earth as a huge tea tray.
As early as the sixth century B.C.E., Greek philosopher Pythagoras
theorized that since the moon and the sun are spherical, the earth must
also be a sphere. Aristotle (fourth century B.C.E.) later agreed,
explaining that the sphericity of the earth is proved by lunar eclipses.
The earth’s shadow on the moon is curved.
However, the notion of a flat earth (with only its upper side inhabited)
did not disappear completely. Some could not accept the logical
implication of a round earth—the concept of antipodes. Lactantius,
Christian apologist of the fourth century C.E., ridiculed the very idea.
He reasoned: “Is there any one so senseless as to believe that there are
men whose footsteps are higher than their heads? . . . that the crops
and trees grow downwards? that the rains, and snow, and hail fall upwards?”
The concept of antipodes posed a dilemma for a few theologians. Certain
theories held that if there were antipodeans, they could have no
possible connection with known humans either because the sea was too
wide to navigate or because an impassable torrid zone surrounded the
equator. So where could any antipodeans have come from? Perplexed, some
theologians preferred to believe that there could be no antipodeans, or
even, as Lactantius argued, that the earth could not be a sphere in the
first place!
Nonetheless, the concept of a spherical earth prevailed, and eventually
it was widely accepted. Only with the dawn of the space age in the 20th
century, however, has it been possible for humans to travel far enough
into space to verify by direct observation that the earth is a globe.
And where did the Bible stand on this issue? In the eighth
century B.C.E., when the prevailing view was that the earth was flat,
centuries before Greek philosophers theorized that the earth likely was
spherical, and thousands of years before humans saw the earth as a globe
from space, the Hebrew prophet Isaiah stated with remarkable simplicity:
“There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah
40:22) The Hebrew word chugh, here translated “circle,” may also be
rendered “sphere.” Other Bible translations read, “the globe of the
earth” (Douay Version) and “the round earth.”—Moffatt.
The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.
.

User: "Killiam"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 07:54:56 PM
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User: "Mike Johannson"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 30 Nov 2007 09:17:47 PM
"Stilgar" <seach@dune.net> wrote in message
news:fimlac$hcm$1@news.albasani.net...
Molest any little girls today Antonio?



That question has intrigued humans for thousands of years. The general
view in ancient times was that the earth was flat. The Babylonians, for
example, believed that the universe was a box or a chamber with the
earth as its floor. Vedic priests of India imagined that the earth was
flat and that only one side of it was inhabited. A primitive tribe in
Asia pictured the earth as a huge tea tray.

As early as the sixth century B.C.E., Greek philosopher Pythagoras
theorized that since the moon and the sun are spherical, the earth must
also be a sphere. Aristotle (fourth century B.C.E.) later agreed,
explaining that the sphericity of the earth is proved by lunar eclipses.
The earth’s shadow on the moon is curved.

However, the notion of a flat earth (with only its upper side inhabited)
did not disappear completely. Some could not accept the logical
implication of a round earth—the concept of antipodes. Lactantius,
Christian apologist of the fourth century C.E., ridiculed the very idea.
He reasoned: “Is there any one so senseless as to believe that there are
men whose footsteps are higher than their heads? . . . that the crops
and trees grow downwards? that the rains, and snow, and hail fall
upwards?”

The concept of antipodes posed a dilemma for a few theologians. Certain
theories held that if there were antipodeans, they could have no
possible connection with known humans either because the sea was too
wide to navigate or because an impassable torrid zone surrounded the
equator. So where could any antipodeans have come from? Perplexed, some
theologians preferred to believe that there could be no antipodeans, or
even, as Lactantius argued, that the earth could not be a sphere in the
first place!

Nonetheless, the concept of a spherical earth prevailed, and eventually
it was widely accepted. Only with the dawn of the space age in the 20th
century, however, has it been possible for humans to travel far enough
into space to verify by direct observation that the earth is a globe.

And where did the Bible stand on this issue? In the eighth
century B.C.E., when the prevailing view was that the earth was flat,
centuries before Greek philosophers theorized that the earth likely was
spherical, and thousands of years before humans saw the earth as a globe
from space, the Hebrew prophet Isaiah stated with remarkable simplicity:
“There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah
40:22) The Hebrew word chugh, here translated “circle,” may also be
rendered “sphere.” Other Bible translations read, “the globe of the
earth” (Douay Version) and “the round earth.”—Moffatt.

The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.

.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 01 Dec 2007 03:14:47 AM
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:17:47 -0600, "Mike Johannson"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:


"Stilgar" <seach@dune.net> wrote in message
news:fimlac$hcm$1@news.albasani.net...

Molest any little girls today Antonio?

In his dreams.
.

User: "Darwin123"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-Nocontradiction- 01 Dec 2007 12:50:51 PM
On Nov 30, 10:17 pm, "Mike Johannson" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

"Stilgar" <se...@dune.net> wrote in message

news:fimlac$hcm$1@news.albasani.net...

Molest any little girls today Antonio?

It depends on Antonio's definition of "girls," "little," and
"molest."
.


User: "Killiam"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: !!!!!!!Antonio L Santana-jabriol slapped down hard by 25 posters!!!!!!!!!! 30 Nov 2007 09:02:06 PM
"Stilgar" *IS* Antonio L Santana/Jabriol<seach@dune.net> wrote in message
news:fimlac$hcm$1@news.albasani.net...



That question has intrigued humans for thousands of years. The general
view in ancient times was that the earth was flat. The Babylonians, for
example, believed that the universe was a box or a chamber with the
earth as its floor. Vedic priests of India imagined that the earth was
flat and that only one side of it was inhabited. A primitive tribe in
Asia pictured the earth as a huge tea tray.

LOL LOL!!!!!!! Slapped down hard again Antonio. LOL!!!!!!!!
.

User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 01 Dec 2007 05:57:37 PM
In alt.atheism On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:19:39 -0500, Stilgar
<seach@dune.net> let us all know that:

And where did the Bible stand on this issue?

That the Earth is flat.

In the eighth
century B.C.E., when the prevailing view was that the earth was flat,
centuries before Greek philosophers theorized that the earth likely was
spherical, and thousands of years before humans saw the earth as a globe
from space, the Hebrew prophet Isaiah stated with remarkable simplicity:
There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth. (Isaiah
40:22) The Hebrew word chugh, here translated circle, may also be
rendered sphere.

No, it may not.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.

User: "KrabLegs"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 09:43:46 AM
In article <fimlac$hcm$1@news.albasani.net>, Stilgar says...




That question has intrigued humans for thousands of years. The general
view in ancient times was that the earth was flat. The Babylonians, for
example, believed that the universe was a box or a chamber with the
earth as its floor. Vedic priests of India imagined that the earth was
flat and that only one side of it was inhabited. A primitive tribe in
Asia pictured the earth as a huge tea tray.

As early as the sixth century B.C.E., Greek philosopher Pythagoras
theorized that since the moon and the sun are spherical, the earth must
also be a sphere. Aristotle (fourth century B.C.E.) later agreed,
explaining that the sphericity of the earth is proved by lunar eclipses.
The earth’s shadow on the moon is curved.

However, the notion of a flat earth (with only its upper side inhabited)
did not disappear completely. Some could not accept the logical
implication of a round earth—the concept of antipodes. Lactantius,
Christian apologist of the fourth century C.E., ridiculed the very idea.
He reasoned: “Is there any one so senseless as to believe that there are
men whose footsteps are higher than their heads? . . . that the crops
and trees grow downwards? that the rains, and snow, and hail fall upwards?”

The concept of antipodes posed a dilemma for a few theologians. Certain
theories held that if there were antipodeans, they could have no
possible connection with known humans either because the sea was too
wide to navigate or because an impassable torrid zone surrounded the
equator. So where could any antipodeans have come from? Perplexed, some
theologians preferred to believe that there could be no antipodeans, or
even, as Lactantius argued, that the earth could not be a sphere in the
first place!

Nonetheless, the concept of a spherical earth prevailed, and eventually
it was widely accepted. Only with the dawn of the space age in the 20th
century, however, has it been possible for humans to travel far enough
into space to verify by direct observation that the earth is a globe.

And where did the Bible stand on this issue? In the eighth
century B.C.E., when the prevailing view was that the earth was flat,
centuries before Greek philosophers theorized that the earth likely was
spherical, and thousands of years before humans saw the earth as a globe
from space, the Hebrew prophet Isaiah stated with remarkable simplicity:
“There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah
40:22) The Hebrew word chugh, here translated “circle,” may also be
rendered “sphere.” Other Bible translations read, “the globe of the
earth” (Douay Version) and “the round earth.”—Moffatt.

The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.

And then some idiot came along and said that 'the circle of the earth' was
flooded until the water covered the tops of the highest mountains on the whole
globe and the land did not become dry again for over one year, while 8 lone
earth survivors floated merrily along in a homemade boat. All of this - about
4,600 years ago. Oh... did I mention that all of the entire earth's animal
species (or kinds) were aboard that boat also?
So much for your science lesson...
.
User: "Kathy"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 07:39:05 PM
"KrabLegs" <KrabLegs_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:fimmni0qc5@drn.newsguy.com...

In article <fimlac$hcm$1@news.albasani.net>, Stilgar says...

The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.


And then some idiot came along and said that 'the circle of the earth' was
flooded until the water covered the tops of the highest mountains on the
whole
globe and the land did not become dry again for over one year, while 8
lone
earth survivors floated merrily along in a homemade boat. All of this -
about
4,600 years ago. Oh... did I mention that all of the entire earth's
animal
species (or kinds) were aboard that boat also?

So much for your science lesson...

Be aware that Stilgar is another Jabriol sock puppet and a Jehovah's
Witness. What he posts here now is all plagiarized from the Watchtower CDs.
The Noah story was taken from the Epic of Gilgamish but you probably already
know that.
.
User: "KrabLegs"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 08:43:57 PM
In article <474f69bd$0$1339$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>, Kathy says...



"KrabLegs" <KrabLegs_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:fimmni0qc5@drn.newsguy.com...

In article <fimlac$hcm$1@news.albasani.net>, Stilgar says...

The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.


And then some idiot came along and said that 'the circle of the earth' was
flooded until the water covered the tops of the highest mountains on the
whole
globe and the land did not become dry again for over one year, while 8
lone
earth survivors floated merrily along in a homemade boat. All of this -
about
4,600 years ago. Oh... did I mention that all of the entire earth's
animal
species (or kinds) were aboard that boat also?

So much for your science lesson...


Be aware that Stilgar is another Jabriol sock puppet and a Jehovah's
Witness. What he posts here now is all plagiarized from the Watchtower CDs.
The Noah story was taken from the Epic of Gilgamish but you probably already
know that.

I didn't know that Stilgar was Jabriol and that the story of Noah was taken from
the Epic of Gilgamish. I just know that I never believed the story because it
can't possibly be true as it is written in the Bible. I have never believed it
even when I was a Jehovah's Witness. Have you ever met a Jehovah's Witness who
was a scientist? Now you know why Jehovah's Witnesses forbid young ones to go
to college.
.
User: "Kathy"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 10:54:00 PM
"KrabLegs" <KrabLegs_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:fintdd0dab@drn.newsguy.com...

I didn't know that Stilgar was Jabriol and that the story of Noah was
taken from
the Epic of Gilgamish. I just know that I never believed the story
because it
can't possibly be true as it is written in the Bible. I have never
believed it
even when I was a Jehovah's Witness. Have you ever met a Jehovah's
Witness who
was a scientist? Now you know why Jehovah's Witnesses forbid young ones
to go
to college.

Most of the JWs I've known were H.S. grads, went to a technical school or
were dropouts. I'm sure a few had college degrees but I never met them, or
they didn't say for some reason. At the time I was involved with this cult
they were very anti-education. They seem to have mellowed out a bit over the
past few years where education is concerned.
.
User: "KrabLegs"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 11:51:06 PM
In article <474f976a$0$1341$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>, Kathy says...



"KrabLegs" <KrabLegs_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:fintdd0dab@drn.newsguy.com...

I didn't know that Stilgar was Jabriol and that the story of Noah was
taken from
the Epic of Gilgamish. I just know that I never believed the story
because it
can't possibly be true as it is written in the Bible. I have never
believed it
even when I was a Jehovah's Witness. Have you ever met a Jehovah's
Witness who
was a scientist? Now you know why Jehovah's Witnesses forbid young ones
to go
to college.


Most of the JWs I've known were H.S. grads, went to a technical school or
were dropouts. I'm sure a few had college degrees but I never met them, or
they didn't say for some reason. At the time I was involved with this cult
they were very anti-education. They seem to have mellowed out a bit over the
past few years where education is concerned.

The only change that I'm aware of is that they will allow kids to go to a two
year technical college. Anything beyond that is strictly taboo.
.
User: "Kathy"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 30 Nov 2007 12:38:35 PM
"KrabLegs" <KrabLegs_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:fio8ca019eu@drn.newsguy.com...


The only change that I'm aware of is that they will allow kids to go to a
two
year technical college. Anything beyond that is strictly taboo.

What a shame! All those young minds, some of them quite intelligent, wasted
fixing refrigerators or fax machines, stocking shelves and flipping burgers
at the local greasy spoons. All waiting for the Paradise, the Armageddon
the WTS promises but never delivers on..........
.


User: ""

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-Nocontradiction- 30 Nov 2007 07:27:21 AM
On 30 Nov., 05:54, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:

"KrabLegs" <KrabLegs_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message

news:fintdd0dab@drn.newsguy.com...

I didn't know that Stilgar was Jabriol and that the story of Noah was
taken from
the Epic of Gilgamish. I just know that I never believed the story
because it
can't possibly be true as it is written in the Bible. I have never
believed it
even when I was a Jehovah's Witness. Have you ever met a Jehovah's
Witness who
was a scientist? Now you know why Jehovah's Witnesses forbid young ones
to go
to college.


Most of the JWs I've known were H.S. grads, went to a technical school or
were dropouts. I'm sure a few had college degrees but I never met them, or
they didn't say for some reason. At the time I was involved with this cult
they were very anti-education. They seem to have mellowed out a bit over the
past few years where education is concerned.

Probably because mediocre and poor schools are so much more numerous
today. There followers can get a piece of paper (diploma) without
actually being endangered with pesky reality or independent thinking.
.
User: "Kathy"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 30 Nov 2007 12:43:07 PM
<gudloos@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c9e5d07d-a927-4161-a993-1378c39cb03c@l16g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

On 30 Nov., 05:54, "Kathy" <Kathy9...@gmail.com> wrote:

"KrabLegs" <KrabLegs_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message

news:fintdd0dab@drn.newsguy.com...

I didn't know that Stilgar was Jabriol and that the story of Noah was
taken from
the Epic of Gilgamish. I just know that I never believed the story
because it
can't possibly be true as it is written in the Bible. I have never
believed it
even when I was a Jehovah's Witness. Have you ever met a Jehovah's
Witness who
was a scientist? Now you know why Jehovah's Witnesses forbid young
ones
to go
to college.


Most of the JWs I've known were H.S. grads, went to a technical school or
were dropouts. I'm sure a few had college degrees but I never met them,
or
they didn't say for some reason. At the time I was involved with this
cult
they were very anti-education. They seem to have mellowed out a bit over
the
past few years where education is concerned.


Probably because mediocre and poor schools are so much more numerous
today. There followers can get a piece of paper (diploma) without
actually being endangered with pesky reality or independent thinking.

Apparently they still restrict education to trades where "dangerous"
subjects such as science, biology, skepticism etc. are not covered.
Wrenching car engines and fixing air conditioners isn't likely to be a
threat to the Org's mind-control and manipulation of their followers.
.




User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 11:02:37 PM
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:39:05 -0600, "Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com>
wrote:


"KrabLegs" <KrabLegs_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:fimmni0qc5@drn.newsguy.com...

In article <fimlac$hcm$1@news.albasani.net>, Stilgar says...

The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.


And then some idiot came along and said that 'the circle of the earth' was
flooded until the water covered the tops of the highest mountains on the
whole
globe and the land did not become dry again for over one year, while 8
lone
earth survivors floated merrily along in a homemade boat. All of this -
about
4,600 years ago. Oh... did I mention that all of the entire earth's
animal
species (or kinds) were aboard that boat also?

So much for your science lesson...


Be aware that Stilgar is another Jabriol sock puppet and a Jehovah's
Witness. What he posts here now is all plagiarized from the Watchtower CDs.
The Noah story was taken from the Epic of Gilgamish but you probably already
know that.

How many socks does Santana have?
It must be more than 700 pairs by now!
.
User: "Kathy"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 11:10:38 PM
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:1a6vk31k5uq6kfk7sqtv1ft6sgr6o9f6jk@4ax.com...


How many socks does Santana have?
It must be more than 700 pairs by now!

I stopped counting at 200+. He pops new socks every day. Sometimes several
new socks a day,... not to mention his frogging others/pathetic
impersonations. No one could possibly keep up. :-D
.



User: "Stilgar"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 10:02:28 AM
KrabLegs wrote:


The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.


And then some idiot came along and said that 'the circle of the earth' was
flooded until the water covered the tops of the highest mountains on the whole
globe and the land did not become dry again for over one year, while 8 lone
earth survivors floated merrily along in a homemade boat. All of this - about
4,600 years ago. Oh... did I mention that all of the entire earth's animal
species (or kinds) were aboard that boat also?

So much for your science lesson...

So much for your history lesson. Noah was before Isaiah. We are talking
Math here not your prejudice. For example In ancient times, humans were
perplexed by other questions about the cosmos: What is the earth resting
on? What holds up the sun, the moon, and the stars? They had no
knowledge of the law of universal gravitation, formulated by Isaac
Newton and published in 1687. The idea that heavenly bodies are, in
effect, suspended in empty space upon nothing was unknown to them. Thus,
their explanations often suggested that tangible objects or substances
held the earth and other heavenly bodies aloft.
For example, one ancient theory, perhaps originated by people who lived
on an island, was that the earth was surrounded by water and that it
floated in these waters. The Hindus conceived that the earth had several
foundations, one on top of the other. It rested on four elephants, the
elephants stood on an enormous tortoise, the tortoise stood on an
immense serpent, and the coiled serpent floated on universal waters.
Empedocles, a Greek philosopher of the fifth century B.C.E., believed
that the earth rested upon a whirlwind and that this whirlwind was the
cause of the motion of the heavenly bodies.
Among the most influential views were those of Aristotle. Although he
theorized that the earth is a sphere, he denied that it could ever hang
in empty space. In his treatise On the Heavens, when refuting the notion
that the earth rests on water, he said: “It is not the nature of water,
any more than of earth, to stay in mid-air: it must have something to
rest upon.” So, what does the earth “rest upon”? Aristotle taught that
the sun, the moon, and the stars were attached to the surface of solid,
transparent spheres. Sphere lay nestled within sphere, with the
earth—immobile—at the center. As the spheres revolved within one
another, the objects on them—the sun, the moon, and the planets—moved
across the sky.
Aristotle’s explanation seemed logical. If the heavenly bodies were not
firmly attached to something, how else could they stay aloft? The views
of the revered Aristotle were accepted as fact for some 2,000 years.
According to The New Encyclopædia Britannica, in the 16th and 17th
centuries his teachings “ascended to the status of religious dogma” in
the eyes of the church.
With the invention of the telescope, astronomers began to question
Aristotle’s theory. Still, the answer eluded them until Sir Isaac Newton
explained that the planets are suspended in empty space, held in their
orbits by an invisible force—gravity. It seemed incredible, and some of
Newton’s colleagues found it hard to believe that space could be a void,
largely empty of substance.6
What does the Bible have to say on this question? Nearly 3,500 years
ago, the Bible stated with extraordinary clarity that the earth is
hanging “upon nothing.” (Job 26:7) In the original Hebrew, the word for
“nothing” (beli-mah′) used here literally means “without anything.”7 The
Contemporary English Version uses the expression, “on empty space.”
A planet hanging “on empty space” was not at all how most people in
those days pictured the earth. Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible
writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.
.
User: "thomas p."

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 11:43:55 AM
"Stilgar" <seach@dune.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:fimnqm$oat$1@news.albasani.net...

KrabLegs wrote:


The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.


And then some idiot came along and said that 'the circle of the earth'
was
flooded until the water covered the tops of the highest mountains on the
whole
globe and the land did not become dry again for over one year, while 8
lone
earth survivors floated merrily along in a homemade boat. All of this -
about
4,600 years ago. Oh... did I mention that all of the entire earth's
animal
species (or kinds) were aboard that boat also?

So much for your science lesson...




So much for your history lesson. Noah was before Isaiah.

So what? It remains a childish fairy tale violating all logic and knowledge
of the world.

We are talking
Math here not your prejudice. For example In ancient times, humans were
perplexed by other questions about the cosmos: What is the earth resting
on? What holds up the sun, the moon, and the stars? They had no
knowledge of the law of universal gravitation, formulated by Isaac
Newton and published in 1687. The idea that heavenly bodies are, in
effect, suspended in empty space upon nothing was unknown to them. Thus,
their explanations often suggested that tangible objects or substances
held the earth and other heavenly bodies aloft.

For example, one ancient theory, perhaps originated by people who lived
on an island, was that the earth was surrounded by water and that it
floated in these waters. The Hindus conceived that the earth had several
foundations, one on top of the other. It rested on four elephants, the
elephants stood on an enormous tortoise, the tortoise stood on an
immense serpent, and the coiled serpent floated on universal waters.
Empedocles, a Greek philosopher of the fifth century B.C.E., believed
that the earth rested upon a whirlwind and that this whirlwind was the
cause of the motion of the heavenly bodies.

Among the most influential views were those of Aristotle. Although he
theorized that the earth is a sphere, he denied that it could ever hang
in empty space. In his treatise On the Heavens, when refuting the notion
that the earth rests on water, he said: "It is not the nature of water,
any more than of earth, to stay in mid-air: it must have something to
rest upon." So, what does the earth "rest upon"? Aristotle taught that
the sun, the moon, and the stars were attached to the surface of solid,
transparent spheres. Sphere lay nestled within sphere, with the
earth-immobile-at the center. As the spheres revolved within one
another, the objects on them-the sun, the moon, and the planets-moved
across the sky.

Aristotle's explanation seemed logical. If the heavenly bodies were not
firmly attached to something, how else could they stay aloft? The views
of the revered Aristotle were accepted as fact for some 2,000 years.
According to The New Encyclopdia Britannica, in the 16th and 17th
centuries his teachings "ascended to the status of religious dogma" in
the eyes of the church.

With the invention of the telescope, astronomers began to question
Aristotle's theory. Still, the answer eluded them until Sir Isaac Newton
explained that the planets are suspended in empty space, held in their
orbits by an invisible force-gravity. It seemed incredible, and some of
Newton's colleagues found it hard to believe that space could be a void,
largely empty of substance.6

What does the Bible have to say on this question? Nearly 3,500 years
ago, the Bible stated with extraordinary clarity that the earth is
hanging "upon nothing." (Job 26:7) In the original Hebrew, the word for
"nothing" (beli-mah') used here literally means "without anything."7 The
Contemporary English Version uses the expression, "on empty space."

A planet hanging "on empty space" was not at all how most people in
those days pictured the earth. Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible
writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.

No it is not. The Earth does not "hang".
.
User: "Giskard Romanov"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 01 Dec 2007 08:41:01 PM
thomas p. wrote:


A planet hanging "on empty space" was not at all how most people in
those days pictured the earth. Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible
writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.


No it is not. The Earth does not "hang".


Ye are not bright in physics eh?
.
User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 01 Dec 2007 10:59:44 PM
Giskard Romanov wrote:

thomas p. wrote:


A planet hanging "on empty space" was not at all how most people in
those days pictured the earth. Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible
writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.


No it is not. The Earth does not "hang".




Ye are not bright in physics eh?

===>It appears the author may have heard of the concept of a
spherical earth and presents the idea only to have it totally
refuted by "God" himself, who tells us that he laid the
foundations of the -- apparently flat -- earth, which is
surrounded with water.
Read Ch. 38. -- L.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 02 Dec 2007 07:54:35 AM
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:41:01 -0500, in alt.atheism , Giskard Romanov
<Mule@foundation.org> in <fit5vv$m99$2@news.albasani.net> wrote:

thomas p. wrote:


A planet hanging "on empty space" was not at all how most people in
those days pictured the earth. Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible
writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.


No it is not. The Earth does not "hang".



Ye are not bright in physics eh?

The Earth does not hang.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.
User: "Giskard Romanov"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 02 Dec 2007 09:01:54 AM
Matt Silberstein wrote:

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:41:01 -0500, in alt.atheism , Giskard Romanov
<Mule@foundation.org> in <fit5vv$m99$2@news.albasani.net> wrote:

thomas p. wrote:

A planet hanging "on empty space" was not at all how most people in
those days pictured the earth. Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible
writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.

No it is not. The Earth does not "hang".


Ye are not bright in physics eh?


The Earth does not hang.


Does it not?
http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/Physics/QuantumPhysics/QuantumGravity/QuantumGravity.htm
an exciting proposal has been taking shape over the past few years in
the hands of an interdisciplinary collaboration of mathematicians,
astrophysicists and biologists: this is the theory of the morphogenetic
field. Since the mid-1980's evidence has been accumulating that this
field, first conceptualized by developmental biologists, is in fact
closely linked to the quantum gravitational field: (a) it pervades all
space; (b) it interacts with all matter and energy, irrespective of
whether or not that matter/energy is magnetically charged; and, most
significantly, (c) it is what is known mathematically as a ``symmetric
second-rank tensor''. All three properties are characteristic of
gravity; and it was proven some years ago that the only self-consistent
nonlinear theory of a symmetric second-rank tensor field is, at least at
low energies, precisely Einstein's general relativity. Thus, if the
evidence for (a), (b) and (c) holds up, we can infer that the
morphogenetic field is the quantum counterpart of Einstein's
gravitational field. Until recently this theory has been ignored or even
scorned by the high-energy-physics establishment, who have traditionally
resented the encroachment of biologists (not to mention humanists) on
their ``turf''. However, some theoretical physicists have recently begun
to give this theory a second look, and there are good prospects for
progress in the near future.
It is still too soon to say whether string theory, the space-time weave
or morphogenetic fields will be confirmed in the laboratory: the
experiments are not easy to perform. But it is intriguing that all three
theories have similar conceptual characteristics: strong nonlinearity,
subjective space-time, inexorable flux, and a stress on the topology of
interconnectedness.
But for sheepherder.. hanging on nothing is mos accurate than on top of
four elephants, on top of turtles, etc, etc, etc.
.
User: "thomas p."

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 02 Dec 2007 09:57:06 AM
"Giskard Romanov" <Mule@foundation.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:fiuhd5$36p$1@news.albasani.net...

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:41:01 -0500, in alt.atheism , Giskard Romanov
<Mule@foundation.org> in <fit5vv$m99$2@news.albasani.net> wrote:

thomas p. wrote:

A planet hanging "on empty space" was not at all how most people in
those days pictured the earth. Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible
writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.

No it is not. The Earth does not "hang".


Ye are not bright in physics eh?


The Earth does not hang.



Does it not?

http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/Physics/QuantumPhysics/QuantumGravity/QuantumGravity.htm

an exciting proposal has been taking shape over the past few years in
the hands of an interdisciplinary collaboration of mathematicians,
astrophysicists and biologists: this is the theory of the morphogenetic
field. Since the mid-1980's evidence has been accumulating that this
field, first conceptualized by developmental biologists, is in fact
closely linked to the quantum gravitational field: (a) it pervades all
space; (b) it interacts with all matter and energy, irrespective of
whether or not that matter/energy is magnetically charged; and, most
significantly, (c) it is what is known mathematically as a ``symmetric
second-rank tensor''. All three properties are characteristic of
gravity; and it was proven some years ago that the only self-consistent
nonlinear theory of a symmetric second-rank tensor field is, at least at
low energies, precisely Einstein's general relativity. Thus, if the
evidence for (a), (b) and (c) holds up, we can infer that the
morphogenetic field is the quantum counterpart of Einstein's
gravitational field. Until recently this theory has been ignored or even
scorned by the high-energy-physics establishment, who have traditionally
resented the encroachment of biologists (not to mention humanists) on
their ``turf''. However, some theoretical physicists have recently begun
to give this theory a second look, and there are good prospects for
progress in the near future.

It is still too soon to say whether string theory, the space-time weave
or morphogenetic fields will be confirmed in the laboratory: the
experiments are not easy to perform. But it is intriguing that all three
theories have similar conceptual characteristics: strong nonlinearity,
subjective space-time, inexorable flux, and a stress on the topology of
interconnectedness.

But for sheepherder.. hanging on nothing is mos accurate than on top of
four elephants, on top of turtles, etc, etc, etc.

And the Earth does not hang.
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 03 Dec 2007 02:15:42 PM
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:01:54 -0500, in alt.atheism , Giskard Romanov
<Mule@foundation.org> in <fiuhd5$36p$1@news.albasani.net> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:41:01 -0500, in alt.atheism , Giskard Romanov
<Mule@foundation.org> in <fit5vv$m99$2@news.albasani.net> wrote:

thomas p. wrote:

A planet hanging "on empty space" was not at all how most people in
those days pictured the earth. Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible
writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.

No it is not. The Earth does not "hang".


Ye are not bright in physics eh?


The Earth does not hang.



Does it not?

http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/Physics/QuantumPhysics/QuantumGravity/QuantumGravity.htm

an exciting proposal has been taking shape over the past few years in
the hands of an interdisciplinary collaboration of mathematicians,
astrophysicists and biologists: this is the theory of the morphogenetic
field. Since the mid-1980's evidence has been accumulating that this
field, first conceptualized by developmental biologists, is in fact
closely linked to the quantum gravitational field: (a) it pervades all
space; (b) it interacts with all matter and energy, irrespective of
whether or not that matter/energy is magnetically charged; and, most
significantly, (c) it is what is known mathematically as a ``symmetric
second-rank tensor''. All three properties are characteristic of
gravity; and it was proven some years ago that the only self-consistent
nonlinear theory of a symmetric second-rank tensor field is, at least at
low energies, precisely Einstein's general relativity. Thus, if the
evidence for (a), (b) and (c) holds up, we can infer that the
morphogenetic field is the quantum counterpart of Einstein's
gravitational field. Until recently this theory has been ignored or even
scorned by the high-energy-physics establishment, who have traditionally
resented the encroachment of biologists (not to mention humanists) on
their ``turf''. However, some theoretical physicists have recently begun
to give this theory a second look, and there are good prospects for
progress in the near future.

It is still too soon to say whether string theory, the space-time weave
or morphogenetic fields will be confirmed in the laboratory: the
experiments are not easy to perform. But it is intriguing that all three
theories have similar conceptual characteristics: strong nonlinearity,
subjective space-time, inexorable flux, and a stress on the topology of
interconnectedness.

The only connection to hanging here is the *metaphorical* string. And
the Earth is not hanging on those strings.

But for sheepherder.. hanging on nothing is mos accurate than on top of
four elephants, on top of turtles, etc, etc, etc.

What is your point Jabriol?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.
User: "thomas p."

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 04 Dec 2007 03:07:59 AM
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> skrev i en
meddelelse news:6to8l39e6avp0b9mttgq0r5bf9hienv0t0@4ax.com...

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:01:54 -0500, in alt.atheism , Giskard Romanov
<Mule@foundation.org> in <fiuhd5$36p$1@news.albasani.net> wrote:

snip

But for sheepherder.. hanging on nothing is mos accurate than on top of
four elephants, on top of turtles, etc, etc, etc.


What is your point Jabriol?
--

He has no point. His goal, however, is maximum obscurantism.

Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org

"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"

.






User: "Mike Johannson"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 30 Nov 2007 09:19:23 PM
"Stilgar" <seach@dune.net> wrote in message
news:fimnqm$oat$1@news.albasani.net...

KrabLegs wrote:

Threaten to kill any old ladies today Antonio? Send any kiddy porn to woman
poster's husbands?



The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.


And then some idiot came along and said that 'the circle of the earth'
was
flooded until the water covered the tops of the highest mountains on the
whole
globe and the land did not become dry again for over one year, while 8
lone
earth survivors floated merrily along in a homemade boat. All of this -
about
4,600 years ago. Oh... did I mention that all of the entire earth's
animal
species (or kinds) were aboard that boat also?

So much for your science lesson...




So much for your history lesson. Noah was before Isaiah. We are talking
Math here not your prejudice. For example In ancient times, humans were
perplexed by other questions about the cosmos: What is the earth resting
on? What holds up the sun, the moon, and the stars? They had no
knowledge of the law of universal gravitation, formulated by Isaac
Newton and published in 1687. The idea that heavenly bodies are, in
effect, suspended in empty space upon nothing was unknown to them. Thus,
their explanations often suggested that tangible objects or substances
held the earth and other heavenly bodies aloft.

For example, one ancient theory, perhaps originated by people who lived
on an island, was that the earth was surrounded by water and that it
floated in these waters. The Hindus conceived that the earth had several
foundations, one on top of the other. It rested on four elephants, the
elephants stood on an enormous tortoise, the tortoise stood on an
immense serpent, and the coiled serpent floated on universal waters.
Empedocles, a Greek philosopher of the fifth century B.C.E., believed
that the earth rested upon a whirlwind and that this whirlwind was the
cause of the motion of the heavenly bodies.

Among the most influential views were those of Aristotle. Although he
theorized that the earth is a sphere, he denied that it could ever hang
in empty space. In his treatise On the Heavens, when refuting the notion
that the earth rests on water, he said: “It is not the nature of water,
any more than of earth, to stay in mid-air: it must have something to
rest upon.” So, what does the earth “rest upon”? Aristotle taught that
the sun, the moon, and the stars were attached to the surface of solid,
transparent spheres. Sphere lay nestled within sphere, with the
earth—immobile—at the center. As the spheres revolved within one
another, the objects on them—the sun, the moon, and the planets—moved
across the sky.

Aristotle’s explanation seemed logical. If the heavenly bodies were not
firmly attached to something, how else could they stay aloft? The views
of the revered Aristotle were accepted as fact for some 2,000 years.
According to The New Encyclopædia Britannica, in the 16th and 17th
centuries his teachings “ascended to the status of religious dogma” in
the eyes of the church.

With the invention of the telescope, astronomers began to question
Aristotle’s theory. Still, the answer eluded them until Sir Isaac Newton
explained that the planets are suspended in empty space, held in their
orbits by an invisible force—gravity. It seemed incredible, and some of
Newton’s colleagues found it hard to believe that space could be a void,
largely empty of substance.6

What does the Bible have to say on this question? Nearly 3,500 years
ago, the Bible stated with extraordinary clarity that the earth is
hanging “upon nothing.” (Job 26:7) In the original Hebrew, the word for
“nothing” (beli-mah′) used here literally means “without anything.”7 The
Contemporary English Version uses the expression, “on empty space.”

A planet hanging “on empty space” was not at all how most people in
those days pictured the earth. Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible
writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.

.

User: "Philemon"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 02 Dec 2007 04:21:45 PM
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User: "KrabLegs"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 11:40:07 AM
In article <fimnqm$oat$1@news.albasani.net>, Stilgar says...


KrabLegs wrote:


The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.


And then some idiot came along and said that 'the circle of the earth' was
flooded until the water covered the tops of the highest mountains on the whole
globe and the land did not become dry again for over one year, while 8 lone
earth survivors floated merrily along in a homemade boat. All of this - about
4,600 years ago. Oh... did I mention that all of the entire earth's animal
species (or kinds) were aboard that boat also?

So much for your science lesson...




So much for your history lesson. Noah was before Isaiah.

According to the myths of an ancient nomadic tribe...

We are talking
Math here not your prejudice.

Where is my prejudice?

For example

Changing the subject may work for simpletons but not for me. I was talking
about the great deluge that covered the entire surface of the earth - even the
tallest mountains.

In ancient times, humans were
perplexed

Irrelevant stuff snipped...
.

User: ""

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-Nocontradiction- 29 Nov 2007 04:58:42 PM
On Nov 29, 11:02 am, Stilgar <se...@dune.net> wrote:

KrabLegs wrote:

The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.


And then some idiot came along and said that 'the circle of the earth' was
flooded until the water covered the tops of the highest mountains on the whole
globe and the land did not become dry again for over one year, while 8 lone
earth survivors floated merrily along in a homemade boat. All of this - about
4,600 years ago. Oh... did I mention that all of the entire earth's animal
species (or kinds) were aboard that boat also?


So much for your science lesson...


So much for your history lesson. Noah was before Isaiah.

Please show citations to prove that either of these legends were based
upon actual, historical people. Excavations of their tombs by *real*
(i.e., not biblical apologists) archeologists will do.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
.

User: "Christopher A.Lee"

Title: Re: The Shape of the Earth: Modern math, Ancient book-No contradiction- 29 Nov 2007 10:35:27 AM
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:02:28 -0500, Stilgar <seach@dune.net> wrote:
What is it with these in-your-face stupid morons?
Nobody would give a flying ***** about you or your deluded fantasies
if you had the intelligence to keep them to yourself instead of rudely
and stupidly wiping your feces in people's faces.
What part of that were you pretending you didn't understand?

KrabLegs wrote:


The Bible writer Isaiah avoided the common myths about the earth.
Instead, he penned a statement that was not threatened by the advances
of scientific discovery.


And then some idiot came along and said that 'the circle of the earth' was
flooded until the water covered the tops of the highest mountains on the whole
globe and the land did not become dry again for over one year, while 8 lone
earth survivors floated merrily along in a homemade boat. All of this - about
4,600 years ago. Oh... did I mention that all of the entire earth's animal
species (or kinds) were aboard that boat also?

So much for your science lesson...




So much for your history lesson.

What "history lesson", arrogant, stupid in-your-face moron?

Noah was before Isaiah.

Learn the difference between bronze age myths and history, brainwashed
moron.

We are talking
Math here not your prejudice.

We're talking your unprovoked in-our-face stupidity, arrogance and
rudeness.

What "prejudice", liar?

For example In ancient times, humans were
perplexed by other questions about the cosmos: What is the earth resting
on? What holds up the sun, the moon, and the stars? They had no
knowledge of the law of universal gravitation,

Neither did your bronze age savages, in-our-face stupid brainwashed
moron.

formulated by Isaac
Newton and published in 1687. The idea that heavenly bodies are, in
effect, suspended in empty space upon nothing was unknown to them. Thus,
their explanations often suggested that tangible objects or substances
held the earth and other heavenly bodies aloft.

So fucking what,moron?

For example, one ancient theory, perhaps originated by people who lived
on an island, was that the earth was surrounded by water and that it
floated in these waters. The Hindus conceived that the earth had several
foundations, one on top of the other. It rested on four elephants, the
elephants stood on an enormous tortoise, the tortoise stood on an
immense serpent, and the coiled serpent floated on universal waters.
Empedocles, a Greek philosopher of the fifth century B.C.E., believed
that the earth rested upon a whirlwind and that this whirlwind was the
cause of the motion of the heavenly bodies.

So fucking what,moron?

Among the most influential views were those of Aristotle. Although he
theorized that the earth is a sphere, he denied that it could ever hang
in empty space. In his treatise On the Heavens, when refuting the notion
that the earth rests on water, he said: It is not the nature of water,
any more than of earth, to stay in mid-air: it must have something to
rest upon. So, what does the earth rest upon? Aristotle taught that
the sun, the moon, and the stars were attached to the surface of solid,
transparent spheres. Sphere lay nestled within sphere, with the
earthimmobileat the center. As the spheres revolved within one
another, the objects on themthe sun, the moon, and the planetsmoved
across the sky.

So fucking what, moron?

Aristotles explanation seemed logical. If the heavenly bodies were not
firmly attached to something, how else could they stay aloft? The views
of the revered Aristotle were accepted as fact for some 2,000 years.
According to The New Encyclopdia Britannica, in the 16th and 17th
centuries his teachings ascended to the status of religious dogma in
the eyes of the church.

So fucking what, moron?

With the invention of the telescope, astronomers began to question
Aristotles theory. Still, the answer eluded them until Sir Isaac Newton
explained that the planets are suspended in empty space, held in their
orbits by an invisible forcegravity. It seemed incredible, and some of
Newtons colleagues found it hard to believe that space could be a void,
largely empty of substance.6

That's your rationalisation, brainwashed moron.

What does the Bible have to say on this question? Nearly 3,500 years
ago, the Bible stated with extraordinary clarity that the earth is
hanging upon nothing. (Job 26:7) In the original Hebrew, the word for
nothing (beli-mah?) used here literally means without anything.7 The
Contemporary English Version uses the expression, on empty space.

That's your rationalisation, brainwashed moron. It doesn't "hang on
nothing". Stop being so dishonest.

A planet hanging on empty space was not at all how most people in
those days pictured the earth.

Nor today, in-your-face stupid moron.

Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible
writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.

You are a liar and an idiot.
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