Religions > Atheism > The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists
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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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05 May 2006 03:03:34 PM |
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The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists |
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
20 Elul 5763 / 17 Sept. 2003
Rabbi Yehuda Levin
The Silent Holocaust in Israel
Abortionists kill more children than terrorists
"He who destroys his own children...who wrecks the handiwork of
G-D...brings hunger, plague, and the sword upon the world."
-Zohar, Shemos (Exodus)
"Abortion is murder, plain and simple."
-Rabbi Moshe Sternbuch, Da Ma Shetoshiv
I recently took a walk in Borough Park, Brooklyn, and noticed posters
prominently displayed all over the streets: "STOP The Silent Holocaust
- 2,000,000 children destroyed by abortion in Israel." The signs
were posted by EFRAT-C.R.I.B, an Israeli-based group that works to
prevent Jewish families in Israel from aborting their children. The
poster listed major Rabbis as sponsors.
I was shocked by the enormity of this number-two million Jews over
the last 55 years, murdered by their own parents-could such a thing
really be true, could so many Jewish mothers have murdered so many of
their own children? A little research confirmed the horrible
statistic.
At the 1994 United Nations International Conference on Population and
Development, Dr. Baruch Levy, the official representative of the State
of Israel, stated: "...according to a law of the Knesset, passed in
1977, abortions are legal when performed in authorized medical
institutions and approved by special abortion committees. The
overwhelming majority of requests for legal abortions are, in fact,
approved for health and CERTAIN SOCIAL REASONS [emphasis mine]."
How does this work out in practice? Well, to take a fairly typical
example, in 1999, 20,581 women submitted applications to the abortion
committees. Of this number 18,785 (96%) were approved. The committees
approved almost every application that was submitted. The only reason
that all 100% of the applications were not approved is that the
religious parties in Israel managed to forbid abortions based on
economic reasons alone.
Commenting on a videotape that was sent to 350,000 homes in Israel by
EFRAT-C.R.I.B. in 2001, Health Minister Nissim Dahan (Shas) stated: "I
received the impression that...the abortion committees approve
terminations of pregnancy without sufficient thought."
In his worldwide survey of abortion rates, William Robert Johnson gives
the incredible statistic that total REPORTED abortions in Israel, from
1979 thru 2002 (23 years) were 411,000. This figure means that about
13% of Israeli children are murdered in the womb each year.
Additionally, he cautions that these are only the official
figures-the unreported figures may be double the reported amount (or
822,000). In the 55 years since the founding of the State of Israel, we
could project a figure of about two million abortions.
Should we be surprised that the sword has been unleashed against our
people in the Holy Land?
Our continued silence on this issue makes us vulnerable, chas vesholom,
to the punishments of hunger, plague, and the sword prophesized in the
Zohar Hakodosh.
Now that Rosh Hashana (the New Year) is here, it is time for us to do
Teshuva (repent) on this horrible crime in G-D's Holy Land. If we
truly want to end the sacrifice of Jewish blood of our brothers and
sisters in the Holy Land of Israel, we must cry out to the heavens,
loudly and clearly, against this shedding of innocent blood.
Only then will we be entitled to say "Yodeinu lo shofchu es hadam
hazeh" (Our hands have not shed this innocent blood).
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| User: "Nog" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists |
05 May 2006 06:03:16 PM |
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A fetus is not a child. No birth certificate, no death certificate needed.
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| User: "Martin" |
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05 May 2006 06:13:22 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
20 Elul 5763 / 17 Sept. 2003
Rabbi Yehuda Levin
The Silent Holocaust in Israel
Abortionists kill more children than terrorists
"He who destroys his own children...who wrecks the handiwork of
G-D...brings hunger, plague, and the sword upon the world."
-Zohar, Shemos (Exodus)
"Abortion is murder, plain and simple."
-Rabbi Moshe Sternbuch, Da Ma Shetoshiv
I recently took a walk in Borough Park, Brooklyn, and noticed posters
prominently displayed all over the streets: "STOP The Silent Holocaust
- 2,000,000 children destroyed by abortion in Israel."
Who the hell cares what a bunch of people choose to do in their own
country so long as it doesn't affect you or anyone else and everything
is consensual?
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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05 May 2006 03:39:44 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
<snip>
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
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| User: "Sabba Hillel" |
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05 May 2006 04:28:33 PM |
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Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
<snip>
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah. Technically, it is not quite the same
as full murder, but it is still forbidden. Actually, you are tempting
me to break "Godwin's Law" at this point.
Actually just because we have different names for the different stages
of development does not mean that killing any one of the stages is
completely permitted.
zygote, embrio, fetus, infant, toddler, child, adolescent, adult, ...
Each stage has different rights and responsibilities. However, in all
stages, it is forbidden to kill it *unless* it is an active threat.
That is, it is considered killing in self defense. Thus, a child in
the womb that endangers the life of the mother can be aborted, as long
as it is completely within the womb. A person who has already been
born chasing after someone to kill him/her can be killed to save the
life of the victim.
Killing someone who has not been convicted of a capitol crime is only
allowed under those circumstances.
--
Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz | Said the fox to the fish, "Join me ashore."
SabbaHillel@gmail.com | The fish are the Jews, Torah is our water.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7637/544/640/SabbaHillel.jpg
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| User: "" |
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07 May 2006 12:48:43 AM |
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On 5-May-2006, "Sabba Hillel" <sabbahillel@gmail.com> wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
<snip>
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Which is for *Jews*.
Susan
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| User: "Attila" |
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06 May 2006 05:29:51 AM |
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On 5 May 2006 14:28:33 -0700, "Sabba Hillel" <sabbahillel@gmail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<1146864513.007939.60890@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
<snip>
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Irrelevant until that source is proven true.
Technically, it is not quite the same
as full murder,
There is no such thing as 'full murder'. Either an act s murder or it
is not.
but it is still forbidden.
By who? Please prove this being 'forbidden' has any validity.
Actually, you are tempting
me to break "Godwin's Law" at this point.
Actually just because we have different names for the different stages
of development does not mean that killing any one of the stages is
completely permitted.
zygote, embrio, fetus, infant, toddler, child, adolescent, adult, ...
Each stage has different rights and responsibilities.
No. There are no rights or responsibilities prior to live birth.
However, in all
stages, it is forbidden
By who? See above.
to kill it *unless* it is an active threat.
That is, it is considered killing in self defense. Thus, a child in
the womb
Which does not exist. All children have been born alive.
that endangers the life of the mother can be aborted, as long
as it is completely within the womb. A person who has already been
born chasing after someone to kill him/her can be killed to save the
life of the victim.
Why did you make that comment? There are laws against killing people
except under certain circumstances in every society.
Killing someone who has not been convicted of a capitol crime is only
allowed under those circumstances.
Again, why did you bother with that comment?
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| User: "John Baker" |
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05 May 2006 06:03:47 PM |
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On 5 May 2006 14:28:33 -0700, "Sabba Hillel" <sabbahillel@gmail.com>
wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
<snip>
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah. Technically, it is not quite the same
as full murder, but it is still forbidden.
So what? To a non-religious person, what the Torah (or the Bible or
the Koran) forbids is irrelevant.
Actually, you are tempting
me to break "Godwin's Law" at this point.
Actually just because we have different names for the different stages
of development does not mean that killing any one of the stages is
completely permitted.
zygote, embrio, fetus, infant, toddler, child, adolescent, adult, ...
Each stage has different rights and responsibilities. However, in all
stages, it is forbidden to kill it *unless* it is an active threat.
That is, it is considered killing in self defense. Thus, a child in
the womb that endangers the life of the mother can be aborted, as long
as it is completely within the womb. A person who has already been
born chasing after someone to kill him/her can be killed to save the
life of the victim.
Killing someone who has not been convicted of a capitol crime is only
allowed under those circumstances.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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05 May 2006 04:57:06 PM |
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Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
<snip>
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Even if it is, why should we care what the Torah says? What makes the
Torah so special?
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| User: "" |
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07 May 2006 12:50:39 AM |
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On 5-May-2006, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
<snip>
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Even if it is, why should we care what the Torah says? What makes the
Torah so special?
Hey, if you weren't interested, you shouldn't have x-posted it to SCJ.
And if you were answering an x-post, you might want to snip your groups.
Susan
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| User: "" |
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08 May 2006 04:17:56 AM |
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Re: The Silent [snip anti-choice lies]
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Susan Cohen has previously posted pro-homosexuality.
Now she is posting pro-abortion.
So much for her claim that she is a follower of Judaism and that she
defends Judaism here.
- moshe
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| User: "" |
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05 May 2006 04:41:41 PM |
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Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos,
and sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Document or retract.
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| User: "Sabba Hillel" |
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05 May 2006 05:19:05 PM |
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wrote:
Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos,
and sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Document or retract.
The reference is in Parshas Noach (in the book of Genesis) as to why
abortion is forbidden to both Jews and nonJews.
As an example check out the discussion indexed at
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=A
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=abortion+parsha+noah&btnG=Search
Sabba Hillel
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| User: "Attila" |
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06 May 2006 05:30:53 AM |
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On 5 May 2006 15:19:05 -0700, "Sabba Hillel" <sabbahillel@gmail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<1146867545.198344.291040@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com wrote:
Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos,
and sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Document or retract.
The reference is in Parshas Noach (in the book of Genesis) as to why
abortion is forbidden to both Jews and nonJews.
Forbidden by who? Please prove your answer has any validity.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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06 May 2006 05:47:35 AM |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 06:30:53 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 5 May 2006 15:19:05 -0700, "Sabba Hillel" <sabbahillel@gmail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<1146867545.198344.291040@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com wrote:
Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos,
and sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Document or retract.
The reference is in Parshas Noach (in the book of Genesis) as to why
abortion is forbidden to both Jews and nonJews.
Forbidden by who? Please prove your answer has any validity.
And what authority does it have over non-Jews?
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| User: "Attila" |
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06 May 2006 06:01:27 PM |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 06:47:35 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<4lvo52lnkk6i0gca1e5co0nntfjg45jid9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 06:30:53 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 5 May 2006 15:19:05 -0700, "Sabba Hillel" <sabbahillel@gmail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<1146867545.198344.291040@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com wrote:
Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos,
and sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Document or retract.
The reference is in Parshas Noach (in the book of Genesis) as to why
abortion is forbidden to both Jews and nonJews.
Forbidden by who? Please prove your answer has any validity.
And what authority does it have over non-Jews?
What gives it authority over anyone?
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| User: "Mordecai! mldavisplease dont" |
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06 May 2006 07:00:08 PM |
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Attila wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 06:47:35 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<4lvo52lnkk6i0gca1e5co0nntfjg45jid9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 06:30:53 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 5 May 2006 15:19:05 -0700, "Sabba Hillel" <sabbahillel@gmail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<1146867545.198344.291040@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com wrote:
Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos,
and sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Document or retract.
The reference is in Parshas Noach (in the book of Genesis) as to why
abortion is forbidden to both Jews and nonJews.
Forbidden by who? Please prove your answer has any validity.
And what authority does it have over non-Jews?
What gives it authority over anyone?
Sigh ...
We have deduced the laws which the Almighty has given to us for ourselves.
We have also deduced the laws which the Almighty has given to everyone.
I do not claim that our deductions are accurate - by any means.
They are our beliefs of the will of the Almighty - for what it is worth.
For the atheists - then there is no "Almighty" and it is a waste of time.
For people who do not believe like us - they consider we are wrong. And for
all I know - they are correct.
But that is our beliefs - right or wrong.
However - if we are correct, then the authority comes from the most high -
and it is implemented by the very people he speaks to ... through their own
morality and ideas. It is not imposed from outside by force.
If we are wrong - which is a distinct possibility, then again there is
authority.
The pen is mightier than the sword is a very old concept.
The authority is the words themselves ... and it is an authority which has
raised and destroyed nations.
Words are powerful things.
Any discussion is - by its very nature, the power of words.
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
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| User: "םייח" |
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07 May 2006 03:15:51 AM |
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"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:445D3888.4C1EEDD2@internode.on.net...
Attila wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 06:47:35 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<4lvo52lnkk6i0gca1e5co0nntfjg45jid9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 06:30:53 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 5 May 2006 15:19:05 -0700, "Sabba Hillel" <sabbahillel@gmail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<1146867545.198344.291040@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com wrote:
Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos,
and sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Document or retract.
The reference is in Parshas Noach (in the book of Genesis) as to why
abortion is forbidden to both Jews and nonJews.
Forbidden by who? Please prove your answer has any validity.
And what authority does it have over non-Jews?
What gives it authority over anyone?
Sigh ...
We have deduced the laws which the Almighty has given to us for ourselves.
We have also deduced the laws which the Almighty has given to everyone.
I do not claim that our deductions are accurate - by any means.
They are our beliefs of the will of the Almighty - for what it is worth.
For the atheists - then there is no "Almighty" and it is a waste of time.
For people who do not believe like us - they consider we are wrong. And
for
all I know - they are correct.
But that is our beliefs - right or wrong.
However - if we are correct, then the authority comes from the most high -
and it is implemented by the very people he speaks to ... through their
own
morality and ideas. It is not imposed from outside by force.
If we are wrong - which is a distinct possibility, then again there is
authority.
The pen is mightier than the sword is a very old concept.
The authority is the words themselves ... and it is an authority which has
raised and destroyed nations.
Words are powerful things.
Any discussion is - by its very nature, the power of words.
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
Hear the spirit by seeking God for the sake of God and receive instruction.
Abortion in most cases (but not all) is a modern form Molech worship, even
if unwittingly ==== SIN
Judge the right judgement, there would be some cases Abortion would be
allowable. no cases in the world to come
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| User: "Attila" |
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06 May 2006 08:32:31 PM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 10:00:08 +1000, "Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont
spam)"@internode.on.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<445D3888.4C1EEDD2@internode.on.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 06:47:35 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<4lvo52lnkk6i0gca1e5co0nntfjg45jid9@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 06:30:53 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 5 May 2006 15:19:05 -0700, "Sabba Hillel" <sabbahillel@gmail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<1146867545.198344.291040@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com wrote:
Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos,
and sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Document or retract.
The reference is in Parshas Noach (in the book of Genesis) as to why
abortion is forbidden to both Jews and nonJews.
Forbidden by who? Please prove your answer has any validity.
And what authority does it have over non-Jews?
What gives it authority over anyone?
Sigh ...
We have deduced the laws which the Almighty has given to us for ourselves.
Prove any such entity exists. Not by any deductive reasoning but with
actual proof.
We have also deduced the laws which the Almighty has given to everyone.
I do not claim that our deductions are accurate - by any means.
They are our beliefs of the will of the Almighty - for what it is worth.
For the atheists - then there is no "Almighty" and it is a waste of time.
Absolutely.
For people who do not believe like us - they consider we are wrong. And for
all I know - they are correct.
But that is our beliefs - right or wrong.
However - if we are correct, then the authority comes from the most high -
and it is implemented by the very people he speaks to ... through their own
morality and ideas. It is not imposed from outside by force.
If we are wrong - which is a distinct possibility, then again there is
authority.
The pen is mightier than the sword is a very old concept.
The authority is the words themselves ... and it is an authority which has
raised and destroyed nations.
Words are powerful things.
Any discussion is - by its very nature, the power of words.
A lot of words that basically says nothing. I still do not see any
evidence or proof of any fact.
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| User: "" |
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05 May 2006 09:58:48 PM |
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Sabba Hillel wrote:
spartakus@my-deja.com wrote:
Sabba Hillel wrote:
Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos,
and sometimes fetuses.
Which is forbidden in the Torah.
Document or retract.
The reference is in Parshas Noach (in the book of Genesis) as to why
abortion is forbidden to both Jews and nonJews.
As an example check out the discussion indexed at
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=A
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=abortion+parsha+noah&btnG=Search
This is more of an invitation to a snipe hunt than evidence to support
your claim. If there is a reference to abortion in Parshas Noach
(Genesis), providing that reference shouldn't be a problem.
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| Title: Re: The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists |
06 May 2006 08:06:56 AM |
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On 5 May 2006 13:39:44 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
No, they kill human life, which begins at conception and ends at death.
Abortionists are the major butchers of human life in existence. And God knows
who they are.
duke, American-American
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists |
06 May 2006 06:03:22 PM |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 08:06:56 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<fp7p52h7sv1eo2j5qgr6vdlgpkoh8d8slg@4ax.com> wrote:
On 5 May 2006 13:39:44 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
No, they kill human life, which begins at conception and ends at death.
Not really, since the sperm and egg are both alive.
Abortionists are the major butchers of human life in existence.
There are more miscarriages than abortions. Far more.
And God
Which one? Prove your answer.
knows
who they are.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists |
06 May 2006 08:41:25 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
No, they kill human life,
Not "they". You.
which begins at conception and ends at death.
You're remarkably stupid.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists |
06 May 2006 11:50:38 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On 5 May 2006 13:39:44 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Abortionists don't kill children. They kill zygotes, embreos, and
sometimes fetuses.
No, they kill human life, which begins at conception and ends at death.
So do doctors, Moron Earl. A malignant tumor is human life, but it's not a
human. I guess you're against places like UT MD Anderson Cancer Center, with
that feeble reasoning.
Abortionists are the major butchers of human life in existence. And God knows
who they are.
Keep clinging to your fantasy, Earl.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 5, Houston 4 (May 4)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, May 6 at Milwaukee, 7:05 (Game 2)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists |
05 May 2006 04:44:08 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
20 Elul 5763 / 17 Sept. 2003
Rabbi Yehuda Levin
The Silent Holocaust in Israel
"Above all, I must protest that the waving of the Nazi flag
raises the temperature of the discussion intolerably. It is
a perjorative tactic that is inexpressibly unfair to pro-
abortion citizens and to my former colleagues. They are not
Nazis. And as a Jew, I cannot remain silent at this facile
use of the Nazi analogy, though I realize that some anti-
abortion Jews use it. If this argument is so compelling, why
do Jews remain generally favorable toward abortion? The
Nazi experience was so shattering that it defies any analogy,
and it defiles the memory of the Holocaust to bring it into this
discussion." -- Bernard Nathanson, "Aborting America"
I couldn't say it better.
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| User: "Sabba Hillel" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists |
05 May 2006 05:14:41 PM |
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wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.jewsformorality.org/israel_abortion.htm
20 Elul 5763 / 17 Sept. 2003
Rabbi Yehuda Levin
The Silent Holocaust in Israel
"Above all, I must protest that the waving of the Nazi flag
raises the temperature of the discussion intolerably. It is
a perjorative tactic that is inexpressibly unfair to pro-
abortion citizens and to my former colleagues. They are not
Nazis. And as a Jew, I cannot remain silent at this facile
use of the Nazi analogy, though I realize that some anti-
abortion Jews use it. If this argument is so compelling, why
do Jews remain generally favorable toward abortion? The
Nazi experience was so shattering that it defies any analogy,
and it defiles the memory of the Holocaust to bring it into this
discussion." -- Bernard Nathanson, "Aborting America"
I couldn't say it better.
Actually, the main reason appears to be that there are many Jews whose
"religion" is political liberalism. One needs to consider what the
beliefs are of those Jews who are "favorable toward abortion". That is
were do they fall on the religious spectrum. I should also point out
that there are "Jews" who use the Nazi analogy about the state of
Israel.
IMHO the quote above treats Jews as a monolithic group who all believe
the same.
That said, I object to abortion on religious (Jewish) grounds, not
because of the analogy.
Sabba Hillel
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists |
06 May 2006 05:33:45 AM |
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On 5 May 2006 15:14:41 -0700, "Sabba Hillel" <sabbahillel@gmail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<1146867281.475243.93970@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
That said, I object to abortion on religious (Jewish) grounds, not
because of the analogy.
Since the laws in the US are not based on religion that means your
'objection' can be cheerfully ignored.
Especially since the basis of your religion has not been proven valid.
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| User: "Joseph Hertzlinger" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent Holocaust: Abortionists Kill More Children Than Terrorists |
07 May 2006 05:50:20 PM |
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On 5 May 2006 15:14:41 -0700, Sabba Hillel <sabbahillel@gmail.com>
wrote:
Actually, the main reason appears to be that there are many Jews
whose "religion" is political liberalism. One needs to consider
what the beliefs are of those Jews who are "favorable toward
abortion".
I suspect that many anti-abortion Jews (especially those ignorant of
Judaism) convert to other religions after effectively being told to
get lost.
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http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent [snip anti-choice lies] |
07 May 2006 08:53:47 PM |
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On 7-May-2006, Joseph Hertzlinger
<jcyclespersecondlongisland@nine.reticulatedcom.com> wrote:
I suspect that many anti-abortion Jews (especially those ignorant of
Judaism) convert to other religions after effectively being told to
get lost.
But that makes sense, since no Jew who actually knows
Judaism opposes aboriton as a whole *or* commits apostacy.
Susan
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| User: "Joseph Hertzlinger" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent [snip anti-choice lies] |
10 May 2006 01:25:40 AM |
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On Mon, 08 May 2006 01:53:47 GMT,
<> wrote:
But that makes sense, since no Jew who actually knows
Judaism opposes aboriton [sic] as a whole *or* commits apostacy.
Since Judaism does not oppose war "as a whole," does that mean it is
appropriate for Jews protesting a given war to convert out?
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http://hertzlinger.blogspot.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Silent [snip anti-choice lies] |
10 May 2006 08:11:24 AM |
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On 10-May-2006, Joseph Hertzlinger
<jcyclespersecondlongisland@nine.reticulatedcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 May 2006 01:53:47 GMT,
<> wrote:
But that makes sense, since no Jew who actually knows
Judaism opposes aboriton [sic] as a whole *or* commits apostacy.
Since Judaism does not oppose war "as a whole," does that mean it is
appropriate for Jews protesting a given war to convert out?
Thank you, once again, for proving that you know nothing of Judaism.
Just the way you posed this incredibly weird queastion proves it.
Susan
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