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10 Dec 2007 12:09:43 PM |
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THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. You can't identify someone from behind, especially
if you don't already know who they are. The true name of the LORD was
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. Dogma is only as good as the depth
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face.
Never, according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between
the LORD Himself and Moses. The LORD absolutely forbad that.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 12:59:37 PM |
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<pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:abf9520c-e279-463f-89ee-cd3a6a9c7f11@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. You can't identify someone from behind, especially
if you don't already know who they are. The true name of the LORD was
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. Dogma is only as good as the depth
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face.
Never, according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between
the LORD Himself and Moses. The LORD absolutely forbad that.
You know, if you're in the business of granting the existence of things like
gods and angels with abilities that are beyond the ken of mortal men,
identification of them becomes impossible. One would think it would be easy
for a being such as the supposed Lucifer to fool anyone into thinking he was
god, or Jesus, or whatever he wanted, with his supernatural powers.
Believers talk about other religions worshipping false gods, yet fail to
explain why they're absolutely certain that they themselves cannot be
fooled. Or rather they do, and they call it faith, but for some reason don't
grant the faith of others the same infallability.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 01:26:13 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
<pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:abf9520c-e279-463f-89ee-cd3a6a9c7f11@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. You can't identify someone from behind, especially
if you don't already know who they are. The true name of the LORD was
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. Dogma is only as good as the depth
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face.
Never, according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between
the LORD Himself and Moses. The LORD absolutely forbad that.
You know, if you're in the business of granting the existence of things like
gods and angels with abilities that are beyond the ken of mortal men,
identification of them becomes impossible. One would think it would be easy
for a being such as the supposed Lucifer to fool anyone into thinking he was
god, or Jesus, or whatever he wanted, with his supernatural powers.
Believers talk about other religions worshipping false gods, yet fail to
explain why they're absolutely certain that they themselves cannot be
fooled. Or rather they do, and they call it faith, but for some reason don't
grant the faith of others the same infallability.
I grant other faiths the same fallibility as mine because I believe that
there are many paths to the godhead, all equally valid. However, I do
take umbrage when flakes start telling me that my knowledge of my
religion is wrong, based on their own ignorance or delusions. It's rude.
I don't do it to others, and expect the same courtesy.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 04:01:01 PM |
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"cactus" <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:qpg7j.4725$Dt4.2088@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Denis Loubet wrote:
<pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:abf9520c-e279-463f-89ee-cd3a6a9c7f11@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. You can't identify someone from behind, especially
if you don't already know who they are. The true name of the LORD was
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. Dogma is only as good as the depth
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face.
Never, according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between
the LORD Himself and Moses. The LORD absolutely forbad that.
You know, if you're in the business of granting the existence of things
like gods and angels with abilities that are beyond the ken of mortal
men, identification of them becomes impossible. One would think it would
be easy for a being such as the supposed Lucifer to fool anyone into
thinking he was god, or Jesus, or whatever he wanted, with his
supernatural powers.
Believers talk about other religions worshipping false gods, yet fail to
explain why they're absolutely certain that they themselves cannot be
fooled. Or rather they do, and they call it faith, but for some reason
don't grant the faith of others the same infallability.
I grant other faiths the same fallibility as mine because I believe that
there are many paths to the godhead, all equally valid.
Valid? How do you determine this? And how can a path that excludes the
others be valid if that means the others aren't valid?
How do you even determine that there is a godhead?
However, I do take umbrage when flakes start telling me that my knowledge
of my religion is wrong, based on their own ignorance or delusions.
Because, of course, you're infallible?
It's rude. I don't do it to others, and expect the same courtesy.
Sorry, you might think criticism is rude, but don't expect others to agree.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 04:08:48 PM |
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On Dec 10, 2:01 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"cactus" <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:qpg7j.4725$Dt4.2088@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Denis Loubet wrote:
<pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:abf9520c-e279-463f-89ee-cd3a6a9c7f11@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. You can't identify someone from behind, especially
if you don't already know who they are. The true name of the LORD was
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. Dogma is only as good as the depth
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face.
Never, according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between
the LORD Himself and Moses. The LORD absolutely forbad that.
You know, if you're in the business of granting the existence of things
like gods and angels with abilities that are beyond the ken of mortal
men, identification of them becomes impossible. One would think it would
be easy for a being such as the supposed Lucifer to fool anyone into
thinking he was god, or Jesus, or whatever he wanted, with his
supernatural powers.
Believers talk about other religions worshipping false gods, yet fail to
explain why they're absolutely certain that they themselves cannot be
fooled. Or rather they do, and they call it faith, but for some reason
don't grant the faith of others the same infallability.
I grant other faiths the same fallibility as mine because I believe that
there are many paths to the godhead, all equally valid.
Valid? How do you determine this? And how can a path that excludes the
others be valid if that means the others aren't valid?
How do you even determine that there is a godhead?
However, I do take umbrage when flakes start telling me that my knowledge
of my religion is wrong, based on their own ignorance or delusions.
Because, of course, you're infallible?
It's rude. I don't do it to others, and expect the same courtesy.
Sorry, you might think criticism is rude, but don't expect others to agree.
--
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
False Jews, like Cactus, are the greatest absolutists until they are
exposed, and then suddenly everything is relative. This is just more
subterfuge. They are masters at it.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 04:16:58 PM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 2:01 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"cactus" <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:qpg7j.4725$Dt4.2088@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Denis Loubet wrote:
<pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:abf9520c-e279-463f-89ee-cd3a6a9c7f11@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. You can't identify someone from behind, especially
if you don't already know who they are. The true name of the LORD was
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. Dogma is only as good as the depth
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face.
Never, according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between
the LORD Himself and Moses. The LORD absolutely forbad that.
You know, if you're in the business of granting the existence of things
like gods and angels with abilities that are beyond the ken of mortal
men, identification of them becomes impossible. One would think it would
be easy for a being such as the supposed Lucifer to fool anyone into
thinking he was god, or Jesus, or whatever he wanted, with his
supernatural powers.
Believers talk about other religions worshipping false gods, yet fail to
explain why they're absolutely certain that they themselves cannot be
fooled. Or rather they do, and they call it faith, but for some reason
don't grant the faith of others the same infallability.
I grant other faiths the same fallibility as mine because I believe that
there are many paths to the godhead, all equally valid.
Valid? How do you determine this? And how can a path that excludes the
others be valid if that means the others aren't valid?
How do you even determine that there is a godhead?
However, I do take umbrage when flakes start telling me that my knowledge
of my religion is wrong, based on their own ignorance or delusions.
Because, of course, you're infallible?
It's rude. I don't do it to others, and expect the same courtesy.
Sorry, you might think criticism is rude, but don't expect others to agree.
--
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
False Jews, like Cactus, are the greatest absolutists until they are
exposed, and then suddenly everything is relative. This is just more
subterfuge. They are masters at it.
I've been called a "false Jew" my several in these NGs. You fit right in.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 04:25:43 PM |
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On Dec 10, 2:16 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 2:01 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"cactus" <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:qpg7j.4725$Dt4.2088@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Denis Loubet wrote:
<pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:abf9520c-e279-463f-89ee-cd3a6a9c7f11@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. You can't identify someone from behind, especially
if you don't already know who they are. The true name of the LORD was
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. Dogma is only as good as the depth
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face.
Never, according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between
the LORD Himself and Moses. The LORD absolutely forbad that.
You know, if you're in the business of granting the existence of things
like gods and angels with abilities that are beyond the ken of mortal
men, identification of them becomes impossible. One would think it would
be easy for a being such as the supposed Lucifer to fool anyone into
thinking he was god, or Jesus, or whatever he wanted, with his
supernatural powers.
Believers talk about other religions worshipping false gods, yet fail to
explain why they're absolutely certain that they themselves cannot be
fooled. Or rather they do, and they call it faith, but for some reason
don't grant the faith of others the same infallability.
I grant other faiths the same fallibility as mine because I believe that
there are many paths to the godhead, all equally valid.
Valid? How do you determine this? And how can a path that excludes the
others be valid if that means the others aren't valid?
How do you even determine that there is a godhead?
However, I do take umbrage when flakes start telling me that my knowledge
of my religion is wrong, based on their own ignorance or delusions.
Because, of course, you're infallible?
It's rude. I don't do it to others, and expect the same courtesy.
Sorry, you might think criticism is rude, but don't expect others to agree.
--
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
False Jews, like Cactus, are the greatest absolutists until they are
exposed, and then suddenly everything is relative. This is just more
subterfuge. They are masters at it.
I've been called a "false Jew" my several in these NGs. You fit right in.
Another subterfuge. I didn't just "tell" you that, I proved it to
you.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 05:32:24 PM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 2:16 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 2:01 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"cactus" <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:qpg7j.4725$Dt4.2088@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Denis Loubet wrote:
<pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:abf9520c-e279-463f-89ee-cd3a6a9c7f11@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
The simple abbreviated truth is that Moses could only see the backside
of the LORD he saw in the burning bush, and so he could not discern
His true identity. You can't identify someone from behind, especially
if you don't already know who they are. The true name of the LORD was
and is JEHOSHUA, or JHVSA, not JHVH. The entire Torah and all
secondary literature is in a sense a great big fraud, and you can see
that if you go back to its origin in the actual experience of Moses as
described within the Torah itself. Dogma is only as good as the depth
of enlightenment of the one or ones fashioning the dogma.
BTW, Moses did see the angel of the LORD in the burning bush, and it
was the LORD through that same angel who knew him face to face.
Never, according to the Torah, was there face to face contact between
the LORD Himself and Moses. The LORD absolutely forbad that.
You know, if you're in the business of granting the existence of things
like gods and angels with abilities that are beyond the ken of mortal
men, identification of them becomes impossible. One would think it would
be easy for a being such as the supposed Lucifer to fool anyone into
thinking he was god, or Jesus, or whatever he wanted, with his
supernatural powers.
Believers talk about other religions worshipping false gods, yet fail to
explain why they're absolutely certain that they themselves cannot be
fooled. Or rather they do, and they call it faith, but for some reason
don't grant the faith of others the same infallability.
I grant other faiths the same fallibility as mine because I believe that
there are many paths to the godhead, all equally valid.
Valid? How do you determine this? And how can a path that excludes the
others be valid if that means the others aren't valid?
How do you even determine that there is a godhead?
However, I do take umbrage when flakes start telling me that my knowledge
of my religion is wrong, based on their own ignorance or delusions.
Because, of course, you're infallible?
It's rude. I don't do it to others, and expect the same courtesy.
Sorry, you might think criticism is rude, but don't expect others to agree.
--
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
False Jews, like Cactus, are the greatest absolutists until they are
exposed, and then suddenly everything is relative. This is just more
subterfuge. They are masters at it.
I've been called a "false Jew" my several in these NGs. You fit right in.
Another subterfuge. I didn't just "tell" you that, I proved it to
you.
Same as jw and the others. You've even done what he did, call me an
apostate. You didn't prove a thing that a bit of thorazine wouldn't cure.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 04:39:51 PM |
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On Dec 10, 2:16 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 2:01 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
Valid? How do you determine this? And how can a path that excludes the
others be valid if that means the others aren't valid?
How do you even determine that there is a godhead?
However, I do take umbrage when flakes start telling me that my knowledge
of my religion is wrong, based on their own ignorance or delusions.
Because, of course, you're infallible?
It's rude. I don't do it to others, and expect the same courtesy.
Sorry, you might think criticism is rude, but don't expect others to agree.
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
False Jews, like Cactus, are the greatest absolutists until they are
exposed, and then suddenly everything is relative. This is just more
subterfuge. They are masters at it.
I've been called a "false Jew" my several in these NGs.
According to my information, JHVH is the Divine name for the angel
Gabriel, applicable when G-D manifests through that angel. Putting
the name of an angel in the place of the LORD G-D, who is JHVSA, is
the true Abomination of Desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
It is the root cause of the Destruction of the Temple and the
Diaspora. We even have in our popular culture the idea of a fallen
Gabriel, played by Christopher Walken in the movie "Prophecy." The
fallen Gabriel, sitting in the holy place where he ought not to sit,
is the Antichrist.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 05:33:31 PM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 2:16 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 2:01 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
Valid? How do you determine this? And how can a path that excludes the
others be valid if that means the others aren't valid?
How do you even determine that there is a godhead?
However, I do take umbrage when flakes start telling me that my knowledge
of my religion is wrong, based on their own ignorance or delusions.
Because, of course, you're infallible?
It's rude. I don't do it to others, and expect the same courtesy.
Sorry, you might think criticism is rude, but don't expect others to agree.
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
False Jews, like Cactus, are the greatest absolutists until they are
exposed, and then suddenly everything is relative. This is just more
subterfuge. They are masters at it.
I've been called a "false Jew" my several in these NGs.
According to my information, JHVH is the Divine name for the angel
Gabriel, applicable when G-D manifests through that angel. Putting
the name of an angel in the place of the LORD G-D, who is JHVSA, is
the true Abomination of Desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
It is the root cause of the Destruction of the Temple and the
Diaspora. We even have in our popular culture the idea of a fallen
Gabriel, played by Christopher Walken in the movie "Prophecy." The
fallen Gabriel, sitting in the holy place where he ought not to sit,
is the Antichrist.
And totally irrelevant to Jews, of course. The real ones anyway.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 05:42:30 PM |
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On Dec 10, 3:33 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
According to my information, JHVH is the Divine name for the angel
Gabriel, applicable when G-D manifests through that angel. Putting
the name of an angel in the place of the LORD G-D, who is JHVSA, is
the true Abomination of Desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
It is the root cause of the Destruction of the Temple and the
Diaspora. We even have in our popular culture the idea of a fallen
Gabriel, played by Christopher Walken in the movie "Prophecy." The
fallen Gabriel, sitting in the holy place where he ought not to sit,
is the Antichrist.
And totally irrelevant to Jews, of course. The real ones anyway.
No, we've been through that. You have a profound misconception about
Judaism as revealed by your reaction to this that I posted earlier:
The concept of teshuvah as "return" emphasizes the fundamental
spiritual potential of every person. Chassidic thought teaches that
within each of us resides a Divine soul, a spark of G-d.[4] This
infinite G-dly potential represents the core of our souls, our genuine
"I".
For this reason, our Sages teach[5] that "perfect tzaddikim (righteous
men) cannot stand in the place of a baal teshuvah." For teshuvah
reveals the infinite G-dly spark within our souls and connects us to G-
d at a level above even the most sublime levels of divine service.[6]
6. This concept is connected with the coming of the Redemption, for
the Zohar (III, 153b; see also Likkutei Torah, Shir HaShirim, p. 50b)
teaches that Mashiach will motivate tzaddikim to turn to G-d in
teshuvah. No matter how complete their divine service, the unbounded
dimensions of G-dliness to be revealed in the Era of the Redemption
will make them realize their limitations and will call forth a
corresponding revelation of the infinite potential that their souls
possess.
[End Quote]
You asked why Zaddikim would need to perform teshuvah. Similarly, you
cannot understand why Moshe needs to perform teshuvah. It is because
Moshe was not Moshiach. He was not perfect, and his enlightenment
left much to be desired. (His enlightenment experience, as described
in Exodus, was the sole basis for his knowledge of G-D, which was also
therefore flawed.)
You, Cactus, are really an ignorant person, and you should take a long
hard look at yourself.
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 05:55:35 PM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:33 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
According to my information, JHVH is the Divine name for the angel
Gabriel, applicable when G-D manifests through that angel. Putting
the name of an angel in the place of the LORD G-D, who is JHVSA, is
the true Abomination of Desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
It is the root cause of the Destruction of the Temple and the
Diaspora. We even have in our popular culture the idea of a fallen
Gabriel, played by Christopher Walken in the movie "Prophecy." The
fallen Gabriel, sitting in the holy place where he ought not to sit,
is the Antichrist.
And totally irrelevant to Jews, of course. The real ones anyway.
No, we've been through that. You have a profound misconception about
Judaism as revealed by your reaction to this that I posted earlier:
The concept of teshuvah as "return" emphasizes the fundamental
spiritual potential of every person. Chassidic thought teaches that
within each of us resides a Divine soul, a spark of G-d.[4] This
infinite G-dly potential represents the core of our souls, our genuine
"I".
For this reason, our Sages teach[5] that "perfect tzaddikim (righteous
men) cannot stand in the place of a baal teshuvah." For teshuvah
reveals the infinite G-dly spark within our souls and connects us to G-
d at a level above even the most sublime levels of divine service.[6]
6. This concept is connected with the coming of the Redemption, for
the Zohar (III, 153b; see also Likkutei Torah, Shir HaShirim, p. 50b)
teaches that Mashiach will motivate tzaddikim to turn to G-d in
teshuvah. No matter how complete their divine service, the unbounded
dimensions of G-dliness to be revealed in the Era of the Redemption
will make them realize their limitations and will call forth a
corresponding revelation of the infinite potential that their souls
possess.
[End Quote]
You asked why Zaddikim would need to perform teshuvah. Similarly, you
cannot understand why Moshe needs to perform teshuvah. It is because
Moshe was not Moshiach. He was not perfect, and his enlightenment
left much to be desired. (His enlightenment experience, as described
in Exodus, was the sole basis for his knowledge of G-D, which was also
therefore flawed.)
You, Cactus, are really an ignorant person, and you should take a long
hard look at yourself.
None of this makes any sense from a Jewish perspective. Look at it this
way, pj - your comments about Judaism are the equivalent of my bringing
up the luminiferous aether in the context of quantum theory. Makes just
about as much sense.
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10 Dec 2007 06:02:14 PM |
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On Dec 10, 3:55 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:33 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
According to my information, JHVH is the Divine name for the angel
Gabriel, applicable when G-D manifests through that angel. Putting
the name of an angel in the place of the LORD G-D, who is JHVSA, is
the true Abomination of Desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
It is the root cause of the Destruction of the Temple and the
Diaspora. We even have in our popular culture the idea of a fallen
Gabriel, played by Christopher Walken in the movie "Prophecy." The
fallen Gabriel, sitting in the holy place where he ought not to sit,
is the Antichrist.
And totally irrelevant to Jews, of course. The real ones anyway.
No, we've been through that. You have a profound misconception about
Judaism as revealed by your reaction to this that I posted earlier:
The concept of teshuvah as "return" emphasizes the fundamental
spiritual potential of every person. Chassidic thought teaches that
within each of us resides a Divine soul, a spark of G-d.[4] This
infinite G-dly potential represents the core of our souls, our genuine
"I".
For this reason, our Sages teach[5] that "perfect tzaddikim (righteous
men) cannot stand in the place of a baal teshuvah." For teshuvah
reveals the infinite G-dly spark within our souls and connects us to G-
d at a level above even the most sublime levels of divine service.[6]
6. This concept is connected with the coming of the Redemption, for
the Zohar (III, 153b; see also Likkutei Torah, Shir HaShirim, p. 50b)
teaches that Mashiach will motivate tzaddikim to turn to G-d in
teshuvah. No matter how complete their divine service, the unbounded
dimensions of G-dliness to be revealed in the Era of the Redemption
will make them realize their limitations and will call forth a
corresponding revelation of the infinite potential that their souls
possess.
[End Quote]
You asked why Zaddikim would need to perform teshuvah. Similarly, you
cannot understand why Moshe needs to perform teshuvah. It is because
Moshe was not Moshiach. He was not perfect, and his enlightenment
left much to be desired. (His enlightenment experience, as described
in Exodus, was the sole basis for his knowledge of G-D, which was also
therefore flawed.)
You, Cactus, are really an ignorant person, and you should take a long
hard look at yourself.
None of this makes any sense from a Jewish perspective. Look at it this
way, pj - your comments about Judaism are the equivalent of my bringing
up the luminiferous aether in the context of quantum theory. Makes just
about as much sense.
What are you talking about? Einstein eventually endorsed the ether,
as did Dirac and others. It is just not a mechanical ether.
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10 Dec 2007 06:49:53 PM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:55 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:33 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
According to my information, JHVH is the Divine name for the angel
Gabriel, applicable when G-D manifests through that angel. Putting
the name of an angel in the place of the LORD G-D, who is JHVSA, is
the true Abomination of Desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.
It is the root cause of the Destruction of the Temple and the
Diaspora. We even have in our popular culture the idea of a fallen
Gabriel, played by Christopher Walken in the movie "Prophecy." The
fallen Gabriel, sitting in the holy place where he ought not to sit,
is the Antichrist.
And totally irrelevant to Jews, of course. The real ones anyway.
No, we've been through that. You have a profound misconception about
Judaism as revealed by your reaction to this that I posted earlier:
The concept of teshuvah as "return" emphasizes the fundamental
spiritual potential of every person. Chassidic thought teaches that
within each of us resides a Divine soul, a spark of G-d.[4] This
infinite G-dly potential represents the core of our souls, our genuine
"I".
For this reason, our Sages teach[5] that "perfect tzaddikim (righteous
men) cannot stand in the place of a baal teshuvah." For teshuvah
reveals the infinite G-dly spark within our souls and connects us to G-
d at a level above even the most sublime levels of divine service.[6]
6. This concept is connected with the coming of the Redemption, for
the Zohar (III, 153b; see also Likkutei Torah, Shir HaShirim, p. 50b)
teaches that Mashiach will motivate tzaddikim to turn to G-d in
teshuvah. No matter how complete their divine service, the unbounded
dimensions of G-dliness to be revealed in the Era of the Redemption
will make them realize their limitations and will call forth a
corresponding revelation of the infinite potential that their souls
possess.
[End Quote]
You asked why Zaddikim would need to perform teshuvah. Similarly, you
cannot understand why Moshe needs to perform teshuvah. It is because
Moshe was not Moshiach. He was not perfect, and his enlightenment
left much to be desired. (His enlightenment experience, as described
in Exodus, was the sole basis for his knowledge of G-D, which was also
therefore flawed.)
You, Cactus, are really an ignorant person, and you should take a long
hard look at yourself.
None of this makes any sense from a Jewish perspective. Look at it this
way, pj - your comments about Judaism are the equivalent of my bringing
up the luminiferous aether in the context of quantum theory. Makes just
about as much sense.
What are you talking about? Einstein eventually endorsed the ether,
as did Dirac and others. It is just not a mechanical ether.
Citations?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 08:25:40 PM |
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On Dec 10, 4:49 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:55 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
None of this makes any sense from a Jewish perspective. Look at it this
way, pj - your comments about Judaism are the equivalent of my bringing
up the luminiferous aether in the context of quantum theory. Makes just
about as much sense.
What are you talking about? Einstein eventually endorsed the ether,
as did Dirac and others. It is just not a mechanical ether.
Citations?
How much will you pay me for your science lesson? I don't work for
free, especially in your case.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 08:37:36 PM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 4:49 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:55 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
None of this makes any sense from a Jewish perspective. Look at it this
way, pj - your comments about Judaism are the equivalent of my bringing
up the luminiferous aether in the context of quantum theory. Makes just
about as much sense.
What are you talking about? Einstein eventually endorsed the ether,
as did Dirac and others. It is just not a mechanical ether.
Citations?
How much will you pay me for your science lesson? I don't work for
free, especially in your case.
You are bluffing. I did some looking on my own, and found that Einstein
reconciled an absence of the luminiferous aether with other
observations. I didn't bother looking up Dirac's views on the subject,
since Einstein so obviously contradicted your assertions.
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 08:42:57 PM |
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On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 09:06:27 PM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
I, and most other Jews, would rather perish than follow you. You don't
even have enough followers to be a false messiah. Go spend your
energies on something worthwhile, like proving that the luminiferous
aether does exist.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
11 Dec 2007 12:31:18 AM |
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On Dec 10, 7:06 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
I, and most other Jews, would rather perish than follow you. You don't
even have enough followers to be a false messiah. Go spend your
energies on something worthwhile, like proving that the luminiferous
aether does exist.
I don't need followers. I am the subjective essence of every human
being.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
11 Dec 2007 02:15:32 AM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 7:06 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
I, and most other Jews, would rather perish than follow you. You don't
even have enough followers to be a false messiah. Go spend your
energies on something worthwhile, like proving that the luminiferous
aether does exist.
I don't need followers. I am the subjective essence of every human
being.
Get help now.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
11 Dec 2007 02:19:09 AM |
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On Dec 11, 12:15 am, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 7:06 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
I, and most other Jews, would rather perish than follow you. You don't
even have enough followers to be a false messiah. Go spend your
energies on something worthwhile, like proving that the luminiferous
aether does exist.
I don't need followers. I am the subjective essence of every human
being.
Get help now.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Since you seem to care so much about me, can I send you the bill?
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
11 Dec 2007 02:29:45 AM |
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wrote:
On Dec 11, 12:15 am, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 7:06 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
I, and most other Jews, would rather perish than follow you. You don't
even have enough followers to be a false messiah. Go spend your
energies on something worthwhile, like proving that the luminiferous
aether does exist.
I don't need followers. I am the subjective essence of every human
being.
Get help now.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Since you seem to care so much about me, can I send you the bill?
No, your insurance should take care of it. And it will pay for your
meds, too.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
11 Dec 2007 02:34:08 AM |
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On Dec 11, 12:29 am, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 11, 12:15 am, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 7:06 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
I, and most other Jews, would rather perish than follow you. You don't
even have enough followers to be a false messiah. Go spend your
energies on something worthwhile, like proving that the luminiferous
aether does exist.
I don't need followers. I am the subjective essence of every human
being.
Get help now.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Since you seem to care so much about me, can I send you the bill?
No, your insurance should take care of it. And it will pay for your
meds, too.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You humorless moron.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
19 Dec 2007 12:02:42 PM |
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cactus, hello, do you eat fish on Fridays and no pork and all this?
and do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God...God Bless..
cactus wrote:
pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
I, and most other Jews, would rather perish than follow you. You don't
even have enough followers to be a false messiah. Go spend your
energies on something worthwhile, like proving that the luminiferous
aether does exist.
.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
19 Dec 2007 07:13:05 PM |
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wrote:
cactus, hello, do you eat fish on Fridays
No
and no pork and all this?
I do not keep kosher, but I seldom encounter port.
and do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God...God Bless..
No.
cactus wrote:
pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
I, and most other Jews, would rather perish than follow you. You don't
even have enough followers to be a false messiah. Go spend your
energies on something worthwhile, like proving that the luminiferous
aether does exist.
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| User: "Hollywood Lee" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 09:03:58 PM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
Great. Not as if we don't have enough home-brewed kooks running around
here at apz. Now we get the nutcases from other religions.
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| User: "Robert Epstein" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 10:47:06 PM |
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Hollywood Lee wrote:
pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
Great. Not as if we don't have enough home-brewed kooks running around
here at apz. Now we get the nutcases from other religions.
from alt.messianic no doubt.
robert
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 10:51:36 PM |
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On Dec 10, 8:47 pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@verizon.net> wrote:
Hollywood Lee wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
Great. Not as if we don't have enough home-brewed kooks running around
here at apz. Now we get the nutcases from other religions.
from alt.messianic no doubt.
robert
Back with my wife in Tennessee
And one day she said to me,
"Virgil, Quick! Come see!
There goes Robert E. Lee."
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| User: "Robert Epstein" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
10 Dec 2007 11:02:48 PM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 8:47 pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@verizon.net> wrote:
Hollywood Lee wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
Great. Not as if we don't have enough home-brewed kooks running around
here at apz. Now we get the nutcases from other religions.
from alt.messianic no doubt.
robert
Back with my wife in Tennessee
And one day she said to me,
"Virgil, Quick! Come see!
There goes Robert E. Lee."
In the Winter of '65, we were hungry,
Just barely alive....
And your point is?
Robert
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
11 Dec 2007 12:31:53 AM |
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On Dec 10, 9:02 pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@verizon.net> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 8:47 pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@verizon.net> wrote:
Hollywood Lee wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
Great. Not as if we don't have enough home-brewed kooks running around
here at apz. Now we get the nutcases from other religions.
from alt.messianic no doubt.
robert
Back with my wife in Tennessee
And one day she said to me,
"Virgil, Quick! Come see!
There goes Robert E. Lee."
In the Winter of '65, we were hungry,
Just barely alive....
And your point is?
Robert
You were speaking with Mr. Lee, Robert E.
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| User: "Robert Epstein" |
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| Title: Re: THE SIMPLE ABBREVIATED TRUTH ABOUT G-D |
11 Dec 2007 09:31:48 PM |
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wrote:
On Dec 10, 9:02 pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@verizon.net> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 8:47 pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@verizon.net> wrote:
Hollywood Lee wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:37 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Your religious views are fine as long as you don't claim that they have
anything to do with Judaism. I'm starting to wonder both about your
financial situation and your grasp of physics.
You are wrong about the ether. I claim that my interpretation of
Judaism is the only interpretation that is not a lie of the Devil. I
AM Moshiach. Follow me or perish utterly.
Great. Not as if we don't have enough home-brewed kooks running around
here at apz. Now we get the nutcases from other religions.
from alt.messianic no doubt.
robert
Back with my wife in Tennessee
And one day she said to me,
"Virgil, Quick! Come see!
There goes Robert E. Lee."
In the Winter of '65, we were hungry,
Just barely alive....
And your point is?
Robert
You were speaking with Mr. Lee, Robert E.
Wow. How very hybrid of you.
Robert
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