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"Matt B" |
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18 Dec 2005 03:09:17 PM |
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The Story of God - BBC 1 this evening |
Anyone see this?
Rather good I thought, although watching it with my parents (both
believers) was not easy and a few of the comments I couldn't stop
myself from making were duly frowned upon.
Robert Winston seems like such an intelligent bloke. It's just a pity
he's religious.
Matt
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: The Story of God - BBC 1 this evening |
18 Dec 2005 04:10:19 PM |
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Matt B <mattb333@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
news:8ejbq1hr5mc5pevh9dcf4gu7qlgpp5cqea@4ax.com:
Anyone see this?
Rather good I thought, although watching it with my parents (both
believers) was not easy and a few of the comments I couldn't stop
myself from making were duly frowned upon.
Robert Winston seems like such an intelligent bloke. It's just a pity
he's religious.
Matt
Jonathon Miller's "Atheism: A Rough History of Disbelief" is a three part
series I really enjoyed. Curiously enough, I just finished watching it
again last night.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.musings.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion.
Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler
whom they consider to be God-fearing and pious."
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: The Story of God - BBC 1 this evening |
18 Dec 2005 03:59:53 PM |
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Matt B wrote:
Anyone see this?
Rather good I thought, although watching it with my parents (both
believers) was not easy and a few of the comments I couldn't stop
myself from making were duly frowned upon.
Robert Winston seems like such an intelligent bloke. It's just a pity
he's religious.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/advent/programmes/story_of_god.shtml
Lord Winston
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/6aeda5e139ac057f
Matt
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: The Story of God - BBC 1 this evening |
18 Dec 2005 11:00:32 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Matt B (mattb333
@hotmail.co.uk) made the light shine upon us with this:
Rather good I thought, although watching it with my parents (both
believers) was not easy and a few of the comments I couldn't stop
myself from making were duly frowned upon.
<rant>
I can imagine that being a struggle. My mother was religious in a
confused sort of way. She started out Lutheran (during my lifetime - she
was 40 when I was born) and stopped going to church when I decided I
wasn't going back about age 7. I guess my father must have supported me,
since there was no contest. He was the one who suggested to me about ten
years later that getting overly religious was not a good idea. I had
decided to try to find god as a teenager, and I had heard (through an
influential friend) that the Mormons were the one true church. After
finding out that they were issuing nothing but hot air, I went non-
denominational, only to find more hot air. For the decade before that,
and until my parents died, there was no religiosity in my house. After
my dad died I found out he was a Jehovah's Witness going in to WW2, and
an atheist upon honorable discharge. He never told us what caused that.
My mother claimed to be a believer until she died, but what she believed
was beyond me. She had a "portrait" of Jesus hanging in her bedroom and
commented on how beautiful he was. Her church going consisted of
watching the Hour of Power (now the Crystal Cathedral with Robert
Schuller) on TV on Sunday morning, although several times she mentioned
that she thought that when you die you just go to sleep. She never
pushed anything on me, although when I mentioned once that my wife had
talked me into converting to Judaism, whe was sad because it meant I
didn't believe in Jesus. Well, I never did convert to Judaism, and after
she died I came to the realization I was an atheist. This was just after
my brother had come to the same realization.
IOW, I never had parents that pushed it on me. Thank god.
</rant>
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Only the atheist realizes how morally objectionable it is for survivors
of a catastrophe to believe themselves spared by a loving God while this
same God drowned infants in their cribs. - Sam Harris
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| User: "Matt B" |
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| Title: Re: The Story of God - BBC 1 this evening |
19 Dec 2005 07:10:23 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:00:32 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
<rant>
I can imagine that being a struggle. My mother was religious in a
confused sort of way. She started out Lutheran (during my lifetime - she
was 40 when I was born) and stopped going to church when I decided I
wasn't going back about age 7. I guess my father must have supported me,
since there was no contest. He was the one who suggested to me about ten
years later that getting overly religious was not a good idea. I had
decided to try to find god as a teenager, and I had heard (through an
influential friend) that the Mormons were the one true church. After
finding out that they were issuing nothing but hot air, I went non-
denominational, only to find more hot air. For the decade before that,
and until my parents died, there was no religiosity in my house. After
my dad died I found out he was a Jehovah's Witness going in to WW2, and
an atheist upon honorable discharge. He never told us what caused that.
My mother claimed to be a believer until she died, but what she believed
was beyond me. She had a "portrait" of Jesus hanging in her bedroom and
commented on how beautiful he was. Her church going consisted of
watching the Hour of Power (now the Crystal Cathedral with Robert
Schuller) on TV on Sunday morning, although several times she mentioned
that she thought that when you die you just go to sleep. She never
pushed anything on me, although when I mentioned once that my wife had
talked me into converting to Judaism, whe was sad because it meant I
didn't believe in Jesus. Well, I never did convert to Judaism, and after
she died I came to the realization I was an atheist. This was just after
my brother had come to the same realization.
IOW, I never had parents that pushed it on me. Thank god.
</rant>
It's good that you had parents with such a sensible attitude. Sadly
though, I don't think this is the norm.
Fortunately I was in the same boat as you. My parents, despite having
religious convictions, were pretty relaxed about their faith and never
forced their beliefs down my throat. I went to church occasionally,
we'd say the Lord's prayer before a meal and I was told a few Bible
stories, but that's about as far as it went.
I grew up believing in God, until I reached my late teenage years when
I became more interested in science and evolution and began to
question my beliefs a bit more. I came to the conclusion that it
wasn't so much that I didn't believe in God, but that there was no
need to even hypothesise such a thing.
Too many people get brainwashed with this crap from an early age and
then end up going through the rest of their lives trying to reconcile
it to the things they see on Earth - sometimes in the most ludicrous
and ignorant ways.
We were the fortunate ones... many are not so lucky.
Matt
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