Religions > Atheism > The Taliban Left - anti-Christian bigots want to shut down off campus Bible Class
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29266-2005Jan22.html?sub=AR
Bible Breaks at Public Schools Face Challenges in Rural Virginia
By Carol Morello
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 23, 2005; Page A01
STAUNTON, Va. -- Lunch is over and some classes already are at recess when a
group of schoolchildren at McSwain Elementary stands up, puts on coats,
walks 200 feet across the playground and files into Memorial Baptist Church.
Over the next half-hour, the Bible shapes the lesson plan.
The children pray, sing and play games with a Christian theme. In one class,
12 third-graders hear a story and pray to Jesus, repenting for acting
"growly." In another, third-graders eagerly offer 24 names for Jesus. They
praise the Lord in song: "You're my savior, you're my messiah." They bow
their heads and repeat the Lord's Prayer.
Then they don their coats again, leave the church and trek back to rejoin
the few classmates whose parents declined to enroll their children in the
weekday religious classes.
But now, the practice is being challenged by a group of parents who have
asked the School Board to end or modify weekday religious education. Not
only do they fear that their children are stigmatized for not attending, but
in a decidedly 21st-century twist, they also argue that interrupting class
for Bible study hinders efforts to meet state and national standards for
test scores.
For decades, the lessons were conducted inside public school classrooms.
But in its 1948 decision McCollum v. Board of Education, the Supreme Court
ruled that the lessons violated the principle of separation of church and
state. Amid criticism that it was atheistic, the court returned to the issue
four years later in Zorach v. Clauson. That decision approved classes held
away from school premises, ruling that the practice might be unwise from an
educational viewpoint but that to prevent it would be hostile to religious
freedom.
They got that right - HOSTILE TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. That's what the Taliban
left is all about. (Of course, the original 1948 ruling was hostile to the
original intent of the constitution, but that's another issue.)
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04 Feb 2005 08:50:51 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 01:11:31 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
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School choice is the answer for everyone. You can send your kids to
atheistic schools
Otherwise known as public schools.
This is WRONG, although many people feel that "atheist" and "secular"
mean the same thing. THEY DO NOT.
Secular means "not church-related, not having to do with religion"
Atheist means "having no theism / god"
Public Schools and the US Government are to be SECULAR, meaning not
having to do with religion. Why? Well.... NOT because secular
institututions are "anti-religion", but because they have no one's
particular religion.
Some Christians would love to see a CHRISTIAN NATION, but what of the
millions upon millions of NON-Christians in the USA? By keeping
PUBLIC institutions neutral on religions, all people can be accepted
and not offended because of a particular religious bias.
Any Christian who feels *THEIR* religion should be allowed into
public and governmental institutions is the Christian equivalent of
the Afgani Talaban.
James, Seattle
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04 Feb 2005 03:19:01 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 06:50:51 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> said in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 01:11:31 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
School choice is the answer for everyone. You can send your kids to
atheistic schools
Otherwise known as public schools.
This is WRONG, although many people feel that "atheist" and "secular"
mean the same thing. THEY DO NOT.
Secular means "not church-related, not having to do with religion"
Atheist means "having no theism
You should have stopped at this point - you would have been correct.
And what is "having no theism", as related to schools? It means not
teaching religion - secularism. It DOESN'T mean teaching that there
is NO god, it means NOT teaching that there IS a god. Lack of belief
is not belief of lack.
--
"Does it ever amaze anyone else how little faith some heterosexuals have
in heterosexuality? It's supposed to be this god-given human instinct
that only the warped and perverted ever stray from; but, it seems, if we
once tell our straight children a message even as mild as "some people
are gay, and that's all right," that'll be enough to send lil' Suzy into
the arms of women forever. It's a wonder the race has survived this
long, really..."
- Charles M Seaton (21 Dec 1994)
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| User: "RainLover" |
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04 Feb 2005 08:20:01 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:19:01 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 06:50:51 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> said in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 01:11:31 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
School choice is the answer for everyone. You can send your kids to
atheistic schools
Otherwise known as public schools.
This is WRONG, although many people feel that "atheist" and "secular"
mean the same thing. THEY DO NOT.
Secular means "not church-related, not having to do with religion"
Atheist means "having no theism
You should have stopped at this point - you would have been correct.
And what is "having no theism", as related to schools?
You're taking the (one) defintion of 'atheism'... that is, 'having no
theism' and asking how it's related to public schools. It is NOT.
"Not having to do with religion" is not the same as "having no
theism".
Many People in the public schools system and government are Theistic,
and there's absolutely no problem with that... but the must keep their
personal religious beliefs out of the Curriculum and Laws.
It means not
teaching religion - secularism. It DOESN'T mean teaching that there
is NO god, it means NOT teaching that there IS a god. Lack of belief
is not belief of lack.
Agreed. Secular Public schools should not be teaching ANYTHING, for
or against any gods.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Feb 2005 10:27:24 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:20:01 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> said in alt.atheism:
You're taking the (one) defintion of 'atheism'... that is, 'having no
theism' and asking how it's related to public schools. It is NOT.
"Not having to do with religion" is not the same as "having no
theism".
"Not having to do with religion" - "not teaching any belief in any
god" - hmmm.
Many People in the public schools system and government are Theistic,
and there's absolutely no problem with that... but the must keep their
personal religious beliefs out of the Curriculum and Laws.
That's about what I said.
It means not
teaching religion - secularism. It DOESN'T mean teaching that there
is NO god, it means NOT teaching that there IS a god. Lack of belief
is not belief of lack.
Agreed. Secular Public schools should not be teaching ANYTHING, for
or against any gods.
I guess we'll just have to agree to agree. :)
--
"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
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| User: "Philippic" |
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03 Feb 2005 09:05:22 PM |
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http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/winter.html
M.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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03 Feb 2005 02:18:00 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:37:57 -0700, "Unpleasant Truth"
<no.one@nowhere.com> wrote:
Atheists have their own religion - it just doesn't involve a divine being.
And just like the Taliban, they try to literally tear down anything that
they don't believe in. They are more intolerant than anyone.
Damn right, Sparky. We have absolutely no tolerance for babbling
idiots.
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| User: "towelie" |
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03 Feb 2005 04:47:39 PM |
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TV's Unpleasant Truth wrote:
You just don't believe in freedom.
But you are anti-choice.
And you love creating strawmen.
Toxic? The toxicity we have in society (AIDS, crime, illegitimacy.
abortion/infanticide, drugs ...) comes from ignoring the Judeo-Christian
values the country was founded on, not by following them too strictly.
You mean like Leviticus 11:9-12? Society is not following that law, as the
success of Red Lobster proves, and we're not suffering any because of it?
Face it, your god is impotent.
Atheists have their own religion - it just doesn't involve a divine being.
And just like the Taliban, they try to literally tear down anything that
they don't believe in. They are more intolerant than anyone.
I have absolutely no religion.
--
Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast -
Meatwad
Get off your fuckin' cross. We need the fuckin' space to nail the next fool
martyr - Tool, "Eulogy"
aa #2133
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| User: "Unpleasant Truth" |
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03 Feb 2005 09:40:15 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:36fo02F4v0rnbU1@individual.net...
TV's Unpleasant Truth wrote:
You just don't believe in freedom.
But you are anti-choice.
And you love creating strawmen.
Toxic? The toxicity we have in society (AIDS, crime, illegitimacy.
abortion/infanticide, drugs ...) comes from ignoring the Judeo-Christian
values the country was founded on, not by following them too strictly.
You mean like Leviticus 11:9-12? Society is not following that law, as
the
success of Red Lobster proves, and we're not suffering any because of it?
Face it, your god is impotent.
Atheists have their own religion - it just doesn't involve a divine
being.
And just like the Taliban, they try to literally tear down anything that
they don't believe in. They are more intolerant than anyone.
I have absolutely no religion.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=religion
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
So, you are saying you don't believe in anything?
Where do whatever values you hold come from?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Feb 2005 11:48:13 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:40:15 -0700, "Unpleasant Truth"
<no.one@nowhere.com> said in alt.atheism:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:36fo02F4v0rnbU1@individual.net...
I have absolutely no religion.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=religion
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
So, you are saying you don't believe in anything?
Where do whatever values you hold come from?
Evolution - the same place your non-religious values come from.
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contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the
spinal cord would fully suffice."
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| User: "towelie" |
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03 Feb 2005 10:13:11 PM |
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TV's Unpleasant Truth wrote:
I have absolutely no religion.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=religion
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
devotion.
So, you are saying you don't believe in anything?
That is correct. I either 1) know something is true, 2) know something is
false, or 3) I do not know. No need for belief. I admit when I don't know
something, and don't lean on the crutch of belief.
Where do whatever values you hold come from?
Common sense, instincts, looking around at nature and seeing how the world
works. No need for antiquated religious tomfoolery.
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Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast -
Meatwad
Get off your fuckin' cross. We need the fuckin' space to nail the next fool
martyr - Tool, "Eulogy"
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "sAnToLiNa" |
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03 Feb 2005 10:16:34 PM |
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Unpleasant Truth <no.one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:y8CMd.946$iH5.2443@news.uswest.net...
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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TV's Unpleasant Truth wrote:
You just don't believe in freedom.
But you are anti-choice.
And you love creating strawmen.
Toxic? The toxicity we have in society (AIDS, crime, illegitimacy.
abortion/infanticide, drugs ...) comes from ignoring the
Judeo-Christian
values the country was founded on, not by following them too strictly.
You mean like Leviticus 11:9-12? Society is not following that law, as
the
success of Red Lobster proves, and we're not suffering any because of
it?
Face it, your god is impotent.
Atheists have their own religion - it just doesn't involve a divine
being.
And just like the Taliban, they try to literally tear down anything
that
they don't believe in. They are more intolerant than anyone.
I have absolutely no religion.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=religion
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
devotion.
So, you are saying you don't believe in anything?
Where do whatever values you hold come from?
Where do YOUR values come from?
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| User: "sanguinevikings" |
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03 Feb 2005 12:44:09 PM |
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
religious schools (which offer
a better education and a far better environment - maybe that's the part you
hate).
Lie.
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Atheists have their own religion - it just doesn't involve a divine being.
And just like the Taliban, they try to literally tear down anything that
they don't believe in. They are more intolerant than anyone.
Who could be more intolerant than you? You are a typical psychopathic
aggressor who cries victim when they are caught.
Since you are the one who believes in hell, shouldn't you try harder not
to bear false witness?
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| User: "Jez" |
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04 Feb 2005 11:59:24 AM |
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:36f2naF51h75lU1@individual.net...
TV's Unpleasant Truth wrote:
They got that right - HOSTILE TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
And coercing children to attend xian religious classes during public
school
is hostile to the religious freedom of non-xians.
WHAT COERCING? Read the story.
The only routine coercion we have in the public school system is forcing
parents to pay taxes for schools that more and more undermine their
religious values.
You just don't believe in freedom.
Wrong, what freedom does religion offer ? The freedom not to face reality.
You bible thumpers think
it's okay to stink the world up with your breed of hate, but if somebody
who
thinks differently from you expresses an opinion it's infringing on
"religious freedom."
It's you anti-religious fascists who are trying to deny parents the right to
VOLUNTARILY send their kids to get a little touch of morality in an
otherwise amoral environment.
School choice is the answer for everyone. You can send your kids to
atheistic schools and we'll send our kids to religious schools (which offer
a better education and a far better environment - maybe that's the part you
hate).
Bollocks, teaching children fairy-tales doesn't give them a better
education.
Rest of crap snipped......
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Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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03 Feb 2005 09:42:17 PM |
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:36f2naF51h75lU1@individual.net...
School choice is the answer for everyone. You can send your kids to
atheistic schools and we'll send our kids to religious schools (which offer
a better education and a far better environment - maybe that's the part you
hate).
You can already do that. Just don't try to force others to
pay for the pseudo-education and religious indoctrination
you Talibanoid fundies favor. Much less in the name of choice.
--
Dan Clore
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1587154838/thedanclorenecro
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03 Feb 2005 10:25:15 AM |
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
Amid criticism that it was atheistic, the court returned to the issue
four years later in Zorach v. Clauson.>
Is atheism illegal or unconstitutional in the USA?
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| User: "Unpleasant Truth" |
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03 Feb 2005 11:39:12 AM |
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"sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
Amid criticism that it was atheistic, the court returned to the issue
four years later in Zorach v. Clauson.>
Is atheism illegal or unconstitutional in the USA?
Hardly. Thanks to the secular left it has become the de facto official
religion of the country.
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03 Feb 2005 05:11:31 PM |
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"Unpleasant Truth" <no.one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
Amid criticism that it was atheistic, the court returned to the issue
four years later in Zorach v. Clauson.>
Is atheism illegal or unconstitutional in the USA?
Hardly. Thanks to the secular left it has become the de facto official
religion of the country.
Huh? Did I miss something or did an evangelical Christian not just get sworn
in (on a Bible) as President of the US, amid an orgy of prayer and
references to his gods?
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03 Feb 2005 05:58:02 PM |
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In article <2ltMd.249$iH5.1105@news.uswest.net>, Unpleasant
Truth said...
Hardly. Thanks to the secular left it has become the de facto official
religion of the country.
You're no longer allowed to indoctrinate children with sectarian
religious instruction, therefore you insist (by the principles
of FundieThink) that those children are being indoctrinated into
atheism.
Tell me again how you're *not* a member of cult.
That's what the Taliban left is all about.
The Taliban was as right-wing as authority can get.
It's not lost on thinking people that theocrats like you, not
the leftists, represent the nearest equivalent to the Taliban we
have in the United States.
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04 Feb 2005 08:23:33 AM |
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"Brian E. Clark" wrote:
In article <2ltMd.249$iH5.1105@news.uswest.net>, Unpleasant
Truth said...
Hardly. Thanks to the secular left it has become the de facto official
religion of the country.
You're no longer allowed to indoctrinate children with sectarian
religious instruction, therefore you insist (by the principles
of FundieThink) that those children are being indoctrinated into
atheism.
That's because he and others like him simply can not fathom children NOT
being indoctrinated. God forbid (literally) that children should be empowered
to think for themselves!
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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03 Feb 2005 04:55:07 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:39:12 -0700 the ET form known as Unpleasant
Truth<no.one@nowhere.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
Amid criticism that it was atheistic, the court returned to the issue
four years later in Zorach v. Clauson.>
Is atheism illegal or unconstitutional in the USA?
Hardly. Thanks to the secular left it has become the de facto official
religion of the country.
Delusions of the fundys. Ironic how the Taliban xian fundys can turn
around and call atheists Taliban. Ad hom humbug.
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epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
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Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
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03 Feb 2005 07:02:40 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:39:12 -0700, "Unpleasant Truth"
<no.one@nowhere.com> said in alt.atheism:
"sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
Amid criticism that it was atheistic, the court returned to the issue
four years later in Zorach v. Clauson.>
Is atheism illegal or unconstitutional in the USA?
Hardly. Thanks to the secular left it has become the de facto official
religion of the country.
The official religion of the country - atheism - elected a
fundamentalist Christian? Wow! Atheists are that stupid, huh?
When do we get the post about Christians being a persecuted minority
in this country?
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"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want
you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our
goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by
God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want
pluralism."
-Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort
Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93
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03 Feb 2005 09:08:23 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:39:12 -0700, "Unpleasant Truth"
<no.one@nowhere.com> said in alt.atheism:
"sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
Amid criticism that it was atheistic, the court returned to the issue
four years later in Zorach v. Clauson.>
Is atheism illegal or unconstitutional in the USA?
Hardly. Thanks to the secular left it has become the de facto official
religion of the country.
The official religion of the country - atheism - elected a
fundamentalist Christian? Wow! Atheists are that stupid, huh?
When do we get the post about Christians being a persecuted minority
in this country?
Any second, probably. Ptooie!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
"sanguinevikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
Amid criticism that it was atheistic, the court returned to the issue
four years later in Zorach v. Clauson.>
Is atheism illegal or unconstitutional in the USA?
Hardly. Thanks to the secular left it has become the de facto official
religion of the country.
Having confirmed your attitude to atheism, exactly why are you posting
this thread to alt.atheism?
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: The Taliban Left - anti-Christian bigots want to shut down offcampusBible Class |
03 Feb 2005 11:03:33 AM |
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sanguinevikings wrote:
Unpleasant Truth wrote:
Amid criticism that it was atheistic, the court returned to the issue
four years later in Zorach v. Clauson.>
Is atheism illegal or unconstitutional in the USA?
In Bush's America, the answer is Yes.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Specter133" |
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| Title: Re: The Taliban Left - anti-Christian bigots want to shut down offcampus Bible Class |
03 Feb 2005 11:33:32 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:03:33 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
sanguinevikings wrote:
Unpleasant Truth wrote:
Amid criticism that it was atheistic, the court returned to the issue
four years later in Zorach v. Clauson.>
Is atheism illegal or unconstitutional in the USA?
In Bush's America, the answer is Yes.
Have some proof for that, PoohBear?
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: The Taliban Left - anti-Christian bigots want to shut down offcampus Bible Class |
04 Feb 2005 11:56:58 AM |
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29266-2005Jan22.html?sub=AR
Bible Breaks at Public Schools Face Challenges in Rural Virginia
By Carol Morello
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 23, 2005; Page A01
STAUNTON, Va. -- Lunch is over and some classes already are at recess when a
group of schoolchildren at McSwain Elementary stands up, puts on coats,
walks 200 feet across the playground and files into Memorial Baptist Church.
Over the next half-hour, the Bible shapes the lesson plan.
The children pray, sing and play games with a Christian theme. In one class,
12 third-graders hear a story and pray to Jesus, repenting for acting
"growly." In another, third-graders eagerly offer 24 names for Jesus. They
praise the Lord in song: "You're my savior, you're my messiah." They bow
their heads and repeat the Lord's Prayer.
Why any parent would want their child brain-washed into the Christian
cult is beyond my comprehension.
They got that right - HOSTILE TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. That's what the Taliban
left is all about.
Stupid prat. It's the religious dumb-fucks of all cults that are hostile
to freedom
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Unpleasant Truth" |
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| Title: Re: The Taliban Left - anti-Christian bigots want to shut down off campus Bible Class |
06 Feb 2005 05:59:38 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in message
news:_c6dnf3RdKD1Kp7fRVnyrw@pipex.net...
Unpleasant Truth wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29266-2005Jan22.html?sub=AR
Bible Breaks at Public Schools Face Challenges in Rural Virginia
By Carol Morello
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 23, 2005; Page A01
STAUNTON, Va. -- Lunch is over and some classes already are at recess
when a
group of schoolchildren at McSwain Elementary stands up, puts on coats,
walks 200 feet across the playground and files into Memorial Baptist
Church.
Over the next half-hour, the Bible shapes the lesson plan.
The children pray, sing and play games with a Christian theme. In one
class,
12 third-graders hear a story and pray to Jesus, repenting for acting
"growly." In another, third-graders eagerly offer 24 names for Jesus.
They
praise the Lord in song: "You're my savior, you're my messiah." They bow
their heads and repeat the Lord's Prayer.
Why any parent would want their child brain-washed into the Christian
cult is beyond my comprehension.
That's obvious. Similarly, and sadly, many people living under oppression
but relatively comfortable from a material point of view wonder why anyone
would ever fight for liberty.
They got that right - HOSTILE TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. That's what the
Taliban
left is all about.
Stupid prat. It's the religious dumb-fucks of all cults that are hostile
to freedom
We are all impressed with your eloquent use of language, which so well
reflects your cogent thinking.
The past century has been marked by unprecedented oppression and mass murder
by anti-religious regimes and their liberation by Christian nations, most
notably the most Christian of them all, the United States.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: The Taliban Left - anti-Christian bigots want to shut down offcampus Bible Class |
07 Feb 2005 09:49:34 AM |
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Unpleasant Truth wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in message
news:_c6dnf3RdKD1Kp7fRVnyrw@pipex.net...
Unpleasant Truth wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29266-2005Jan22.html?sub=AR
Bible Breaks at Public Schools Face Challenges in Rural Virginia
By Carol Morello
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 23, 2005; Page A01
STAUNTON, Va. -- Lunch is over and some classes already are at recess
when a
group of schoolchildren at McSwain Elementary stands up, puts on coats,
walks 200 feet across the playground and files into Memorial Baptist
Church.
Over the next half-hour, the Bible shapes the lesson plan.
The children pray, sing and play games with a Christian theme. In one
class,
12 third-graders hear a story and pray to Jesus, repenting for acting
"growly." In another, third-graders eagerly offer 24 names for Jesus.
They
praise the Lord in song: "You're my savior, you're my messiah." They bow
their heads and repeat the Lord's Prayer.
Why any parent would want their child brain-washed into the Christian
cult is beyond my comprehension.
That's obvious. Similarly, and sadly, many people living under oppression
but relatively comfortable from a material point of view wonder why anyone
would ever fight for liberty.
They got that right - HOSTILE TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. That's what the
Taliban
left is all about.
Stupid prat. It's the religious dumb-fucks of all cults that are hostile
to freedom
We are all impressed with your eloquent use of language, which so well
reflects your cogent thinking.
Well, holy shite, thank ***** for that, and there was me thinking my
fucking eloquence was being fucking well ignored.
The past century has been marked by unprecedented oppression and mass murder
by anti-religious regimes and their liberation by Christian nations,
Hitler was a Catholic.
most
notably the most Christian of them all, the United States.
The US has never liberated anyone.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Unpleasant Truth" |
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| Title: Re: The Taliban Left - anti-Christian bigots want to shut down off campus Bible Class |
07 Feb 2005 10:35:41 AM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in message
news:Z5ydnXGyK7aVE5rfRVnyuw@pipex.net...
Unpleasant Truth wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in message
news:_c6dnf3RdKD1Kp7fRVnyrw@pipex.net...
Unpleasant Truth wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29266-2005Jan22.html?sub=AR
Bible Breaks at Public Schools Face Challenges in Rural Virginia
By Carol Morello
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 23, 2005; Page A01
STAUNTON, Va. -- Lunch is over and some classes already are at recess
when a
group of schoolchildren at McSwain Elementary stands up, puts on coats,
walks 200 feet across the playground and files into Memorial Baptist
Church.
Over the next half-hour, the Bible shapes the lesson plan.
The children pray, sing and play games with a Christian theme. In one
class,
12 third-graders hear a story and pray to Jesus, repenting for acting
"growly." In another, third-graders eagerly offer 24 names for Jesus.
They
praise the Lord in song: "You're my savior, you're my messiah." They
bow
their heads and repeat the Lord's Prayer.
Why any parent would want their child brain-washed into the Christian
cult is beyond my comprehension.
That's obvious. Similarly, and sadly, many people living under
oppression
but relatively comfortable from a material point of view wonder why
anyone
would ever fight for liberty.
They got that right - HOSTILE TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. That's what the
Taliban
left is all about.
Stupid prat. It's the religious dumb-fucks of all cults that are hostile
to freedom
We are all impressed with your eloquent use of language, which so well
reflects your cogent thinking.
Well, holy shite, thank ***** for that, and there was me thinking my
fucking eloquence was being fucking well ignored.
The past century has been marked by unprecedented oppression and mass
murder
by anti-religious regimes and their liberation by Christian nations,
Hitler was a Catholic.
Thank you for proving my point about your intellect, or rather, lack
thereof.
most
notably the most Christian of them all, the United States.
The US has never liberated anyone.
Ditto.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
That's right - quote Howard Zinn, an apologist for the (atheist and) most
murderous regime in the history of the world (except, perhaps, for the
similarly atheistic communist Chinese regime).
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: The Taliban Left - anti-Christian bigots want to shut down off campus Bible Class |
07 Feb 2005 07:07:48 PM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:35:41 -0700, "Unpleasant Truth"
<no.one@nowhere.com> wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in message
news:Z5ydnXGyK7aVE5rfRVnyuw@pipex.net...
Hitler was a Catholic.
Thank you for proving my point about your intellect, or rather, lack
thereof.
Hitler *was* a Catholic who, by his own words, believed he was doing
the work of the creator by eliminating the Jews. Your point, other
than the one under your hat, would be....?
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