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17 Sep 2004 09:19:04 AM |
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The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection |
The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection
I wanted to ask Christian to explain to me the logic or order that
underlies the theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection. I have some
questions:
1. When Eve managed to persuade Adam to eat a fruit given to her by a
snake, God was pretty mad and damned the humankind to a limit to life
and lots of misery. So what happened after that to make God change his
mind ? Why so many centuries later would God want to "Save" humankind
? Did the humankind do anything to warrant being saved ?
2. Given that the humankind killed His Son and ignored His message,
why would God have wanted to save anyone ?
3. What is the logical link between Jesus dying, and humankind being
saved ? It seems a very tenuous connection at best. Anyway, he didnt
die for our sins, because he didnt die according to Christian
theology. So how is that inconsistency explained ?
4. Why couldnt God have simply sent Jesus to announce that humankind
had been saved ? What have we gained spiritually by going through the
gory tale of rejection and betrayal ?
5. What does "believing in Jesus" mean ? How does one test the
authenticity of such a belief ? Do people who try to believe and dont
do too well at it, still get "saved" ? Are all "beliefs" of equal
value ? What happens to someone who lives everyday of her life
according to Jesus' teachings but cannot accept Jesus' divinity, is
he/she damned ? And what about the person who believes deeply in
Jesus' divinity, but lives a life in violation of everything Jesus
taught: is he saved ?
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
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| User: "Ike" |
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17 Sep 2004 12:24:41 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0409170619.40b07deb@posting.google.com...
The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection
I wanted to ask Christian to explain to me the logic or order that
underlies the theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection. I have some
questions:
1. When Eve managed to persuade Adam to eat a fruit given to her by a
snake, God was pretty mad and damned the humankind to a limit to life
and lots of misery. So what happened after that to make God change his
mind ? Why so many centuries later would God want to "Save" humankind
? Did the humankind do anything to warrant being saved ?
Since a religion is a language, and I speak the Christian language, I will
try to answer. The fruit was of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The
so-called knowledge thereof is based on verbal language. Before the fruit
was eaten, Adam used to walk with God in the Garden. Once he ate the fruit
he was able to understand and articulate his disobedience. God never changed
His mind. God never changes His mind about anything. The whole history after
Eden is a quest of man to get closer to God and God's response to that
quest. Human's believed that God would eventually send a savior to allow
them to --whatever-- closer to God
2. Given that the humankind killed His Son and ignored His message,
why would God have wanted to save anyone ?
The Christians don't believe that Humanking killed the Savior, per se. They
believe that the Savior was promised to die for them like a blood sacrifice
ad the killing was done by either the Jews, (anti-semitic view) or the
Romans in league with God's promise. Pilate's wife was said to be acting at
the behest of the Devil when she tried to intercede on Christ's behalf.
Further indication of the dangerous evil lurking in womankind.
3. What is the logical link between Jesus dying, and humankind being
saved ? It seems a very tenuous connection at best. Anyway, he didnt
die for our sins, because he didnt die according to Christian
theology. So how is that inconsistency explained ?
Before Jesus' sacrifice, Jews were required (by conscience) to offer blood
sacrifices to God, to atone for violations of Jewish laws. Jesus was the
ultimate blood sacrifice. And yes, Jesus is supposed to have gone to Hell
for 3 days before rising form the dead, to be tormented in our (Christians,
that is) stead.
4. Why couldnt God have simply sent Jesus to announce that humankind
had been saved ? What have we gained spiritually by going through the
gory tale of rejection and betrayal ?
Same reason Shakespeare is so popular.
5. What does "believing in Jesus" mean ? How does one test the
authenticity of such a belief ?
If person can adopt an illogical belief and hold on to it, the cognitive
dissonance is evidence of acceptable mind control.
Do people who try to believe and dont
do too well at it, still get "saved" ?
No. the cognitive dissonace is incomplete and mind control ultimately fails.
However if such a person persists and recives enough positive reinforcement
the faith of a "mustard seed" will grow to a great tree where birds can
roost on its branches.
Are all "beliefs" of equal
value ? What happens to someone who lives everyday of her life
according to Jesus' teachings but cannot accept Jesus' divinity, is
he/she damned ?
Yes because of a failure of religious mind-control.
And what about the person who believes deeply in
Jesus' divinity, but lives a life in violation of everything Jesus
taught: is he saved ?
Yes because that person can be counted on the remain under mind-control.
--
Freedom of thought entails no "Intellectual Property".
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| User: "gaffo" |
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| Title: Re: The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection |
18 Sep 2004 02:19:29 PM |
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Ike wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0409170619.40b07deb@posting.google.com...
The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection
I wanted to ask Christian to explain to me the logic or order that
underlies the theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection. I have some
questions:
1. When Eve managed to persuade Adam to eat a fruit given to her by a
snake, God was pretty mad and damned the humankind to a limit to life
and lots of misery. So what happened after that to make God change his
mind ? Why so many centuries later would God want to "Save" humankind
? Did the humankind do anything to warrant being saved ?
Since a religion is a language, and I speak the Christian language, I will
try to answer. The fruit was of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The
so-called knowledge thereof is based on verbal language. Before the fruit
was eaten, Adam used to walk with God in the Garden. Once he ate the fruit
he was able to understand and articulate his disobedience. God never changed
His mind. God never changes His mind about anything. The whole history after
Eden is a quest of man to get closer to God and God's response to that
quest. Human's believed that God would eventually send a savior to allow
them to --whatever-- closer to God
yes - I've veiwed it as more of an ascension - to becoming "godlike" -
"eyes were opened". and then thus loosing innocent ignorance and seeng
who low he was WRT to God himself.
Sort of "the more a know the more I know how much a don't know" thing.
Pilate's wife was said to be acting at
the behest of the Devil when she tried to intercede on Christ's behalf.
Further indication of the dangerous evil lurking in womankind.
VERY interesting - I've never heard this before. I shall google the matter.
3. What is the logical link between Jesus dying, and humankind being
saved ? It seems a very tenuous connection at best. Anyway, he didnt
die for our sins, because he didnt die according to Christian
theology. So how is that inconsistency explained ?
Before Jesus' sacrifice, Jews were required (by conscience) to offer blood
sacrifices to God, to atone for violations of Jewish laws. Jesus was the
ultimate blood sacrifice. And yes, Jesus is supposed to have gone to Hell
for 3 days before rising form the dead, to be tormented in our (Christians,
that is) stead.
this is a later addition to the theology. only the "newer" books refer
to the 3 days in Hell theology (Second John I think). Paul says nothing
on the matter.
4. Why couldnt God have simply sent Jesus to announce that humankind
had been saved ? What have we gained spiritually by going through the
gory tale of rejection and betrayal ?
Same reason Shakespeare is so popular.
5. What does "believing in Jesus" mean ? How does one test the
authenticity of such a belief ?
If person can adopt an illogical belief and hold on to it, the cognitive
dissonance is evidence of acceptable mind control.
Do people who try to believe and dont
do too well at it, still get "saved" ?
No. the cognitive dissonace is incomplete and mind control ultimately fails.
However if such a person persists and recives enough positive reinforcement
the faith of a "mustard seed" will grow to a great tree where birds can
roost on its branches.
Are all "beliefs" of equal
value ? What happens to someone who lives everyday of her life
according to Jesus' teachings but cannot accept Jesus' divinity, is
he/she damned ?
Yes because of a failure of religious mind-control.
And what about the person who believes deeply in
Jesus' divinity, but lives a life in violation of everything Jesus
taught: is he saved ?
Yes because that person can be counted on the remain under mind-control.
;-).
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http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged.
And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air
-- however slight -lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.
Justice William O. Douglas, US Supreme Court (1939-75)
"It shows us that there were senior people in the Bush administration who
were seriously contemplating the use of torture, and trying to figure out
whether there were any legal loopholes that might allow them to commit
criminal acts, They seem to be putting forward a theory that the president
in wartime can essentially do what he wants regardless of what the law
may say,"
Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch - commenting upon Defense
Department Lawyer
Will Dunham's 56-page legalization of torture memo.
If you add all of those up, you should have a conservative rebellion against
the giant corporation in the White House masquerading as a human being named
George W. Bush. Just as progressives have been abandoned by the corporate
Democrats and told, "You got nowhere to go other than to stay home or
vote for
the Democrats", this is the fate of the authentic conservatives in the
Republican Party.
Ralph Nader - June 2004 - The American Conservative Magazine
"But I believe in torture and I will torture you."
-An American soldier shares the joys of Democracy with
an Iraqi prisoner.
"My mother praises me for fighting the Americans. If we are killed,
our wives and mothers will rejoice that we died defending the
freedom of our country.
-Iraqi Mahdi fighter
"We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise, soon American soldiers came.
One of them kicked me to see if I was alive. I pretended I was dead
so he wouldn't kill me. The soldier was laughing, when Yousef cried,
the soldier said: "'No, stop,"
-Shihab, survivor of USSA bombing of Iraqi wedding.
"the absolute convergence of the neoconservatives with the Christian
Zionists
and the pro-Israel lobby, driving U.S. Mideast policy."
-Don Wagner, an evangelical South Carolina minister
"Bush, in Austin, criticized President Clinton's administration for
the Kosovo military action.'Victory means exit strategy, and it's important
for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is,' Bush said."
Houston Chronicle 4/9/99
"Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and trying to
destabilize their country."
Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Richard L. Armitage, Jeffrey
Bergner,
Paula Dobriansky, Francis Fukuyama, Zalmay Khalilzad, Peter W. Rodman,
William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber, R. James Woolsey and Robert B. Zoellick,
Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before 9/11, the neocons had
Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will understand that in order for this government to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04
"I also have this belief, strong belief, that freedom is not this
country's gift to the world; freedom is the Almighty's gift to
every man and woman in this world. And as the greatest power on
the face of the Earth, we have an obligation to help the spread
of freedom."
~ Bush the Crusader
RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President ***** Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
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18 Sep 2004 10:52:34 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0409170619.40b07deb@posting.google.com...
The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection
I wanted to ask Christian to explain to me the logic or order that
underlies the theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection. I have some
questions:
It sometimes seems (by my newsreader, which does seem to have problems
keeping its threads straight) that you make a post and never even read the
responces, I hope this is not the case. But I'll try to give some answers
none the less.
1. When Eve managed to persuade Adam to eat a fruit given to her by a
snake, God was pretty mad and damned the humankind to a limit to life
and lots of misery. So what happened after that to make God change his
mind ? Why so many centuries later would God want to "Save" humankind
? Did the humankind do anything to warrant being saved ?
I don't think mad is the right word here. There are consequences to our
actions and the results of the fall were just that, consequences. I would
say that God was deeply saddened because of the choice we made and the
consequences that would result. But then I also believe that God deeply
loves his creation.
2. Given that the humankind killed His Son and ignored His message,
why would God have wanted to save anyone ?
God deeply loves his creation.
3. What is the logical link between Jesus dying, and humankind being
saved ? It seems a very tenuous connection at best. Anyway, he didnt
die for our sins, because he didnt die according to Christian
theology. So how is that inconsistency explained ?
To be breif I'll try it this way. Sin causes death (separation from God).
(mind you, if you don't start with that premise nothing else I say will even
remotely make sense) Jesus who did not sin (was part of/was God) paid the
price for us (separation from God) so that we wouldn't have to.
sidenote: I am trying to keep this as short and simple as possible, if
anyone would like to amplify, clarify, justify, rectify or whateverfy,
that's fine.
4. Why couldnt God have simply sent Jesus to announce that humankind
had been saved ? What have we gained spiritually by going through the
gory tale of rejection and betrayal ?
2 questions, 2 answers
1. Here it depends upon your particular 'doctrine' of the man/God/salvation
issue, there are some groups that do believe that everyone will become saved
someday.
2. We understand the depth of God's love to man more than any words could
explain.
**Question 5 was a string of questions, I have separated them for ease of
answer.
5. What does "believing in Jesus" mean ?
There have been volumes written on this. Basicly, believe that he was God's
Son, who showed us the way to live a life that is fufilling and will never
end, and who died to take away the separation that keeps us from living it
now. (see #3 above)
How does one test the authenticity of such a belief ?
In others, I don't.
In myself - If I assume that I live at the level of my belief, then by the
fruits that it brings (love, joy, peace) in a hectic, angry, saddening
world. I don't claim to have it perfect, but I am currently a work in
progress.
Do people who try to believe and dont do too well at it, still get "saved"
?
See above. I don't try to judge the beliefs of others. I just encourage
them to get rid of the things that hinder their beliefs. (wrong
ideas[images], damaged emotions, damaging relationships) The rest is
between them and God.
Are all "beliefs" of equal value ?
??unsure of question?? All beliefs are valuable because they are how we
live.
What happens to someone who lives everyday of her life according to Jesus'
teachings but cannot accept Jesus' divinity, is he/she damned ?
Hard to explain clearly, but let's go here.
IF someone doesn't accept Jesus divinity/payment then they are seperated
from God(see #3 above). IF we are separated from God then we CAN'T live the
way Jesus taught because he taught that we were to be changed by the Spirit.
We CAN strive and stuggle to live by His teachings, but that really isn't
the point. The point is to allow Him to change WHO WE ARE into someone who
will NATURALLY keep His commandments. When that happens we will see fruit
(see #5b above)
And what about the person who believes deeply in Jesus' divinity, but lives
a life in violation of everything Jesus taught: is he saved ?
Answer implied in the above.
God Bless,
JCB
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| User: "Bill" |
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17 Sep 2004 10:20:59 AM |
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Your questions very effectively reveal the total idiocy of Christian
mythological doctrine..
God had his son Jesus killed for our sins that God created???
Can anyone honestly believe that because Adam and Eve ate the forbidden
fruit, the rest
of mankind was punished for thousands of years? Then God sent his son down
to earth to
be brutally murdered by the Romans so God could forgive us for a sin we had
nothing to do with?
This God tossed man out of the garden of Eden for eating the wrong
food group, stayed pissed at us for all this time. Then, after thousands of
years, somehow felt
it necessary to send his "son" down to be killed by the people he was
pissed at so he could forgive them.
The Santa Claus tale is much more pleasant and just as believable.
Bill
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0409170619.40b07deb@posting.google.com...
The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection
I wanted to ask Christian to explain to me the logic or order that
underlies the theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection. I have some
questions:
1. When Eve managed to persuade Adam to eat a fruit given to her by a
snake, God was pretty mad and damned the humankind to a limit to life
and lots of misery. So what happened after that to make God change his
mind ? Why so many centuries later would God want to "Save" humankind
? Did the humankind do anything to warrant being saved ?
2. Given that the humankind killed His Son and ignored His message,
why would God have wanted to save anyone ?
3. What is the logical link between Jesus dying, and humankind being
saved ? It seems a very tenuous connection at best. Anyway, he didnt
die for our sins, because he didnt die according to Christian
theology. So how is that inconsistency explained ?
4. Why couldnt God have simply sent Jesus to announce that humankind
had been saved ? What have we gained spiritually by going through the
gory tale of rejection and betrayal ?
5. What does "believing in Jesus" mean ? How does one test the
authenticity of such a belief ? Do people who try to believe and dont
do too well at it, still get "saved" ? Are all "beliefs" of equal
value ? What happens to someone who lives everyday of her life
according to Jesus' teachings but cannot accept Jesus' divinity, is
he/she damned ? And what about the person who believes deeply in
Jesus' divinity, but lives a life in violation of everything Jesus
taught: is he saved ?
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
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DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
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| User: "Clayton May Appear To Be Closer Than He Actually Is" |
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| Title: Re: The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection |
17 Sep 2004 06:36:22 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:vhD2d.601500$Gx4.578336@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Your questions very effectively reveal the total idiocy of Christian
mythological doctrine..
God had his son Jesus killed for our sins that God created???
Can anyone honestly believe that because Adam and Eve ate the forbidden
fruit, the rest
of mankind was punished for thousands of years?
You have to remember that despite what the fundo's think, it's symbolic.
The forbidden fruit was sex....yes, that's the first lesson of the
Bible...women are evil, deceitful tempters (and less than men because she
was made from part of him...man gave birth to woman in other words *rolls
eyes*) who cause trouble and sex is evil and those terrible women must pay
the price with a painful childbirth. Misogyny from page one!!
Then God sent his son down
to earth to
be brutally murdered by the Romans so God could forgive us for a sin we
had
nothing to do with?
This God tossed man out of the garden of Eden for eating the wrong
food group, stayed pissed at us for all this time. Then, after thousands
of
years, somehow felt
it necessary to send his "son" down to be killed by the people he was
pissed at so he could forgive them.
The Santa Claus tale is much more pleasant and just as believable.
Bill
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0409170619.40b07deb@posting.google.com...
The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection
I wanted to ask Christian to explain to me the logic or order that
underlies the theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection. I have some
questions:
1. When Eve managed to persuade Adam to eat a fruit given to her by a
snake, God was pretty mad and damned the humankind to a limit to life
and lots of misery. So what happened after that to make God change his
mind ? Why so many centuries later would God want to "Save" humankind
? Did the humankind do anything to warrant being saved ?
2. Given that the humankind killed His Son and ignored His message,
why would God have wanted to save anyone ?
3. What is the logical link between Jesus dying, and humankind being
saved ? It seems a very tenuous connection at best. Anyway, he didnt
die for our sins, because he didnt die according to Christian
theology. So how is that inconsistency explained ?
4. Why couldnt God have simply sent Jesus to announce that humankind
had been saved ? What have we gained spiritually by going through the
gory tale of rejection and betrayal ?
5. What does "believing in Jesus" mean ? How does one test the
authenticity of such a belief ? Do people who try to believe and dont
do too well at it, still get "saved" ? Are all "beliefs" of equal
value ? What happens to someone who lives everyday of her life
according to Jesus' teachings but cannot accept Jesus' divinity, is
he/she damned ? And what about the person who believes deeply in
Jesus' divinity, but lives a life in violation of everything Jesus
taught: is he saved ?
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
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DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
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| Title: Re: The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection |
17 Sep 2004 12:11:29 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:vhD2d.601500$Gx4.578336@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Your questions very effectively reveal the total idiocy of Christian
mythological doctrine..
God had his son Jesus killed for our sins that God created???
Can anyone honestly believe that because Adam and Eve ate the forbidden
fruit, the rest
of mankind was punished for thousands of years? Then God sent his son down
to earth to
be brutally murdered by the Romans so God could forgive us for a sin we
had
nothing to do with?
This God tossed man out of the garden of Eden for eating the wrong
food group, stayed pissed at us for all this time. Then, after thousands
of
years, somehow felt
it necessary to send his "son" down to be killed by the people he was
pissed at so he could forgive them.
The Santa Claus tale is much more pleasant and just as believable.
Bill
And lets not forget this was after killing us all and just saving the really
holy guy.
Kathryn
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The theology of Jesus' Death and Resurrection |
17 Sep 2004 12:17:34 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:20:59 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Your questions very effectively reveal the total idiocy of Christian
mythological doctrine..
God had his son Jesus killed for our sins that God created???
No, God became man in the person of Jesus to show us the way to him - a) obedience to the
Father, b) repentance for sin, c) love of fellow man and c) rising in glory for all
eternity.
Can anyone honestly believe that because Adam and Eve ate the forbidden
fruit, the rest
of mankind was punished for thousands of years? Then God sent his son down
to earth to
be brutally murdered by the Romans so God could forgive us for a sin we had
nothing to do with?
No, no Christian believes that. Only you nonChristians believe that about Christians.
This God tossed man out of the garden of Eden for eating the wrong
food group, stayed pissed at us for all this time. Then, after thousands of
years, somehow felt
Nope, for defying God and doing what he specifically told them not to do.
it necessary to send his "son" down to be killed by the people he was
pissed at so he could forgive them.
Nah, God became man himself.
duke
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Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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