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Religions > Atheism |
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"johac" |
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07 Apr 2005 06:42:53 AM |
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The War on Birth Control |
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
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The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
I was in the middle of writing about the stunning and often stealthy
attack on birth control that is going on now when the news broke that
Pope John Paul II had passed away.
The ensuing typhoon of coverage pointed out so many of the pope's
laudable efforts, from fighting poverty and war to his early days giving
courageous support to Solidarity in Poland.
Many of his efforts--at social justice, at opposing the death penalty
and at reaching out to Jews and Muslims--deserve all the wide praise
they are receiving.
But his policies towards women--including the denial of female
ordination--seem stalled in an earlier era. Looking at the event from
the perspective of what is going on in pharmacies and state legislatures
and science advisory panels in this country, I was astonished to see
that the Vatican's attack on birth control was skimmed over.
This is not a minor part of his legacy; it is a major part of the mix.
The war on birth control is being waged on many fronts all over the
world, including right here, under our noses in the United States.
Unease on Web Sites
Log onto web sites where feminists offer opinions and you will see great
unease about the fact that this facet of a very political man's history
is being downplayed.
"Is it driving anyone else crazy that the pope's death is being covered
without mention of the fact that he worked fiercely to prevent condoms
from being distributed by international forces, thus ensuring that
hundreds of thousands of people in the global south would die of AIDS?"
reads a post on the Women and Media Conference web site.
Thousands of articles have been published about the pope. (Within the
24-hour period following his death, 35,000 articles were written about
him, 10 times more than the number of stories written about President
Bush in the 24-hour period following his re-election, according to The
Global Language Monitor, an online news- and word-watcher.)
Missing from much of the coverage of the widespread grief over the
pope's passing were acknowledgements of grievous parts of the Vatican
story.
"Rome" was very slow to acknowledge a worldwide scandal of priestly
pedophilia. (Hats off to Thomas Cahill for his op-ed piece on this in
yesterday's New York Times and to Jason Berry in the Boston Globe on the
same subject.) It also disseminated misinformation claiming that condoms
could not stop the AIDS virus and condoned the burning of condoms in
Catholic churches in AIDS-racked Africa.
Key Player in Attack on Birth Control
The Vatican is also a key player in a persistent U.S. campaign by
Christian conservatives and the Bush administration against birth
control.
Bills in this country have been introduced in a number of states to
allow pharmacists to refuse to fill doctors' prescriptions for the
emergency-contraception pill.
More and more states are mandating that only abstinence be taught in
public school sex-education classes, even while misinformation about
birth control is rife in such courses.
Information about the effectiveness of condoms has been pulled from
government web sites.
The White House has appointed members to federal science advisory panels
who oppose birth control on moral grounds.
Legislators in a number of states are trying to define all forms of
birth control other than abstinence (including the pill) as abortion.
All of this is promoted and blessed by cardinals obedient to the Vatican.
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops proclaim that artificial birth
control is sinful, even as they acknowledge that only about 4 percent of
Roman Catholic couples of child-bearing age practice "natural" family
planning. The church has also opposed bills in several states that would
force health-care insurers to cover contraceptives for women.
Ominous Signs
There are ominous signs that the next assault in the war against birth
control will be an attempt to remove from the market any
substance--including the pill and the IUD--that might have even the
possibility of affecting fertilization.
Pro-life Wisconsin, for example, calls "sinful" all types of
contraception except abstinence, including "all forms of the birth
control pill currently being sold," according to the Milwaukee Journal
Sentinel. Bills have been crafted in the state to write that notion into
law.
Kim Olsen, head of the Missouri Republicans for Choice, notes with alarm
that the Republican legislature recently axed the state's highly
successful and cost-effective family-planning program. She sees all
birth control as being in the cross-hairs of the religious right in her
party.
"Reproductive freedoms are being legislated away, piece by piece, by my
own party. Like many moderate Republicans, I never thought it could
happen. But it has," she says.
American women of all political parties, need to understand that--as
Newsday columnist Marie Cocco puts it--we are seeing a "jeremiad against
women who want to control every facet of their destiny. The campaign
against sex education, against condoms--and now against a tiny pill that
sits in the medicine chests of millions of American homes--is a
comprehensive assault on modern life."
The battle is no longer simply over abortion.
It is over the most basic rights of women to have any control over
when--or if--they will bear children.
We may wake up one day and discover that our rights have been nibbled
away by laws consistent with the beliefs of Pope John Paul II and others
who have opposed women's reproductive freedom--and their political
allies--that have a radical agenda of which few Americans approve.
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http://www.alternet.org/rights/21696/
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: The War on Birth Control |
18 Apr 2005 11:01:21 PM |
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In article <jhachm-6572B1.23425306042005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
<snip>
The war on birth control is being waged on many fronts all over the
world, including right here, under our noses in the United States.
<snip>
I call the war on birth control, "Population control by social disease."
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Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Apr 2005 02:07:23 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:01:21 -0400, Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com>
wrote:
In article <jhachm-6572B1.23425306042005@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
<snip>
The war on birth control is being waged on many fronts all over the
world, including right here, under our noses in the United States.
<snip>
I call the war on birth control, "Population control by social disease."
Ignorance kills.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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09 Apr 2005 03:56:29 AM |
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:42:53 -0700 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
---
The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
All related to the show that the church puts out. The thousands of new
saints, the colours and the music and mystery of ceremony to dazzle
the crowds while all sorts of things are pressed under the door.
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "johac" |
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09 Apr 2005 06:57:20 AM |
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In article <MPG.1cc1da54e2a31e0098a0fb@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:42:53 -0700 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
---
The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
All related to the show that the church puts out. The thousands of new
saints, the colours and the music and mystery of ceremony to dazzle
the crowds while all sorts of things are pressed under the door.
I was thinking along the same lines while watching news clips of the
funeral. All these people calling for sainthood now, do any of them
realize the harm that he has done?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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11 Apr 2005 05:09:28 PM |
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In article <jhachm-BFF55E.23571908042005@news.giganews.com> johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> writes:
In article <MPG.1cc1da54e2a31e0098a0fb@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:42:53 -0700 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
---
The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
All related to the show that the church puts out. The thousands of new
saints, the colours and the music and mystery of ceremony to dazzle
the crowds while all sorts of things are pressed under the door.
I was thinking along the same lines while watching news clips of the
funeral. All these people calling for sainthood now, do any of them
realize the harm that he has done?
Hey, why not. Even to an outsider like myself, John Paul cheapened
the meaning of "sainthood" as had not been done for some centuries.
-- cary
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Apr 2005 05:27:04 PM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:57:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1cc1da54e2a31e0098a0fb@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:42:53 -0700 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
---
The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
All related to the show that the church puts out. The thousands of new
saints, the colours and the music and mystery of ceremony to dazzle
the crowds while all sorts of things are pressed under the door.
I was thinking along the same lines while watching news clips of the
funeral. All these people calling for sainthood now, do any of them
realize the harm that he has done?
That would require the most tenuous connection with reality and the
ability to think.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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10 Apr 2005 10:50:06 PM |
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In article <deoi51lotiqe8dk2rmotfq3ibr6f1p632f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:57:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1cc1da54e2a31e0098a0fb@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:42:53 -0700 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
---
The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
All related to the show that the church puts out. The thousands of new
saints, the colours and the music and mystery of ceremony to dazzle
the crowds while all sorts of things are pressed under the door.
I was thinking along the same lines while watching news clips of the
funeral. All these people calling for sainthood now, do any of them
realize the harm that he has done?
That would require the most tenuous connection with reality and the
ability to think.
The Church has had 2000 yrs. experience in running propaganda mills and
spin machines. They would put most political leaders to shame. They spew
out their honey coated bs and the sheep lap it up, because, ...well,
they they are sheep.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Apr 2005 10:04:19 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:50:06 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <deoi51lotiqe8dk2rmotfq3ibr6f1p632f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:57:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1cc1da54e2a31e0098a0fb@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:42:53 -0700 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
---
The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
All related to the show that the church puts out. The thousands of new
saints, the colours and the music and mystery of ceremony to dazzle
the crowds while all sorts of things are pressed under the door.
I was thinking along the same lines while watching news clips of the
funeral. All these people calling for sainthood now, do any of them
realize the harm that he has done?
That would require the most tenuous connection with reality and the
ability to think.
The Church has had 2000 yrs. experience in running propaganda mills and
spin machines. They would put most political leaders to shame. They spew
out their honey coated bs and the sheep lap it up, because, ...well,
they they are sheep.
and they love dip.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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12 Apr 2005 05:29:43 AM |
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In article <n2tl51pg6ojthmuk8oke04ocf8j2tc0qs0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:50:06 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <deoi51lotiqe8dk2rmotfq3ibr6f1p632f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:57:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1cc1da54e2a31e0098a0fb@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:42:53 -0700 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to
deny
contraceptives.
---
The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
All related to the show that the church puts out. The thousands of new
saints, the colours and the music and mystery of ceremony to dazzle
the crowds while all sorts of things are pressed under the door.
I was thinking along the same lines while watching news clips of the
funeral. All these people calling for sainthood now, do any of them
realize the harm that he has done?
That would require the most tenuous connection with reality and the
ability to think.
The Church has had 2000 yrs. experience in running propaganda mills and
spin machines. They would put most political leaders to shame. They spew
out their honey coated bs and the sheep lap it up, because, ...well,
they they are sheep.
and they love dip.
They sing: "dippity doo-dah".
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Apr 2005 02:21:30 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:29:43 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <n2tl51pg6ojthmuk8oke04ocf8j2tc0qs0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:50:06 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <deoi51lotiqe8dk2rmotfq3ibr6f1p632f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:57:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1cc1da54e2a31e0098a0fb@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:42:53 -0700 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to
deny
contraceptives.
---
The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
All related to the show that the church puts out. The thousands of new
saints, the colours and the music and mystery of ceremony to dazzle
the crowds while all sorts of things are pressed under the door.
I was thinking along the same lines while watching news clips of the
funeral. All these people calling for sainthood now, do any of them
realize the harm that he has done?
That would require the most tenuous connection with reality and the
ability to think.
The Church has had 2000 yrs. experience in running propaganda mills and
spin machines. They would put most political leaders to shame. They spew
out their honey coated bs and the sheep lap it up, because, ...well,
they they are sheep.
and they love dip.
They sing: "dippity doo-dah".
Tuna tacos and dip?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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12 Apr 2005 01:07:53 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:50:06 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <deoi51lotiqe8dk2rmotfq3ibr6f1p632f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:57:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1cc1da54e2a31e0098a0fb@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:42:53 -0700 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
---
The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
All related to the show that the church puts out. The thousands of new
saints, the colours and the music and mystery of ceremony to dazzle
the crowds while all sorts of things are pressed under the door.
I was thinking along the same lines while watching news clips of the
funeral. All these people calling for sainthood now, do any of them
realize the harm that he has done?
That would require the most tenuous connection with reality and the
ability to think.
The Church has had 2000 yrs. experience in running propaganda mills and
spin machines. They would put most political leaders to shame. They spew
out their honey coated bs and the sheep lap it up, because, ...well,
they they are sheep.
and they love dip.
/cue Jessica Rabbit
"Oh, my God, IT'S DIIIIIIIIPPPPPP!!!!!!"
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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12 Apr 2005 01:33:25 PM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:425BC829.727D1BC0@serv.net...
stoney wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:50:06 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <deoi51lotiqe8dk2rmotfq3ibr6f1p632f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:57:20 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1cc1da54e2a31e0098a0fb@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:42:53 -0700 the ET form known as
johac<jhachm@ixpres.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up
to deny
contraceptives.
---
The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
All related to the show that the church puts out. The thousands of
new
saints, the colours and the music and mystery of ceremony to
dazzle
the crowds while all sorts of things are pressed under the door.
I was thinking along the same lines while watching news clips of the
funeral. All these people calling for sainthood now, do any of them
realize the harm that he has done?
That would require the most tenuous connection with reality and the
ability to think.
The Church has had 2000 yrs. experience in running propaganda mills and
spin machines. They would put most political leaders to shame. They
spew
out their honey coated bs and the sheep lap it up, because, ...well,
they they are sheep.
and they love dip.
/cue Jessica Rabbit
"Oh, my God, IT'S DIIIIIIIIPPPPPP!!!!!!"
"When I killed your brotha, I talked
JUST................LIKE...................THIS!!!!!!"
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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07 Apr 2005 01:26:46 PM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
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The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
[...]
Legislators in a number of states are trying to define all forms of
birth control other than abstinence (including the pill) as abortion.
"Reproductive freedoms are being legislated away, piece by piece, by my
own party. Like many moderate Republicans, I never thought it could
happen. But it has," she says.
American women of all political parties, need to understand that--as
Newsday columnist Marie Cocco puts it--we are seeing a "jeremiad against
women who want to control every facet of their destiny. The campaign
against sex education, against condoms--and now against a tiny pill that
sits in the medicine chests of millions of American homes--is a
comprehensive assault on modern life."
The battle is no longer simply over abortion.
Unless they equate birth control with abortion, as mentioned up above.
I wonder what would happen if all the Catholics spoke up and said that
they won't be going to church and paying tithes until the Vatican
changes its stance on birth control?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "johac" |
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08 Apr 2005 05:16:48 AM |
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In article <21da51d6trc8crli2isc9q5tst6h0pnlak@4ax.com>,
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
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The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
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Legislators in a number of states are trying to define all forms of
birth control other than abstinence (including the pill) as abortion.
"Reproductive freedoms are being legislated away, piece by piece, by my
own party. Like many moderate Republicans, I never thought it could
happen. But it has," she says.
American women of all political parties, need to understand that--as
Newsday columnist Marie Cocco puts it--we are seeing a "jeremiad against
women who want to control every facet of their destiny. The campaign
against sex education, against condoms--and now against a tiny pill that
sits in the medicine chests of millions of American homes--is a
comprehensive assault on modern life."
The battle is no longer simply over abortion.
Unless they equate birth control with abortion, as mentioned up above.
That's what it sounds like they are trying to do.
I wonder what would happen if all the Catholics spoke up and said that
they won't be going to church and paying tithes until the Vatican
changes its stance on birth control?
I don't think that a split between the American and Roman church is out
of the question, although it won't likely happen in the immediate
future. If they keep on choosing conservative popes, then I would say
it's a real possibility.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: The War on Birth Control |
07 Apr 2005 05:59:16 PM |
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In article <21da51d6trc8crli2isc9q5tst6h0pnlak@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Unless they equate birth control with abortion, as mentioned up above.
I wonder what would happen if all the Catholics spoke up and said that
they won't be going to church and paying tithes until the Vatican
changes its stance on birth control?
And that's the problem: they won't. They will do what all other
conservative Christians do and continue to drink, smoke, do drugs,
fornicate, watch pornography, use birth control and get abortions when
necessary, all the while supporting their churches as they work to make
these things illegal. They won't wake up until all these things have
been taken away from them, and they are wondering how they are going to
keep the missus from popping out sprogs like a Pez dispenser.
And then when they are sober, in debt, unemployed and saddled with a
horde of kids, they will blame the Libruls.
Sean C
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Apr 2005 12:33:58 AM |
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:26:46 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to deny
contraceptives.
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The War on Birth Control
By Caryl Rivers, Women's eNews
Posted on April 6, 2005, Printed on April 6, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/21696/
[...]
Legislators in a number of states are trying to define all forms of
birth control other than abstinence (including the pill) as abortion.
"Reproductive freedoms are being legislated away, piece by piece, by my
own party. Like many moderate Republicans, I never thought it could
happen. But it has," she says.
American women of all political parties, need to understand that--as
Newsday columnist Marie Cocco puts it--we are seeing a "jeremiad against
women who want to control every facet of their destiny. The campaign
against sex education, against condoms--and now against a tiny pill that
sits in the medicine chests of millions of American homes--is a
comprehensive assault on modern life."
The battle is no longer simply over abortion.
Unless they equate birth control with abortion, as mentioned up above.
I wonder what would happen if all the Catholics spoke up and said that
they won't be going to church and paying tithes until the Vatican
changes its stance on birth control?
The stance would swiftly change via a 'revelation from gawd.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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10 Apr 2005 02:08:13 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:26:46 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to
deny contraceptives.
<snip>
I wonder what would happen if all the Catholics spoke up and said
that they won't be going to church and paying tithes until the
Vatican changes its stance on birth control?
The stance would swiftly change via a 'revelation from gawd.'
This pope or the next one will allow birth control to married couples as
long as the intent of the union is to reproduce.
Nothing new here and is a logical extension of the rhythm method which is
allowed and is clearly meant to avoid pregnancy.
I channeled this through one of the same people Sylvia Brown uses.
Just think. In no more than 10 or 20 years my prediction rate will either be
100% or it can be truthfully said that in all that time I only missed one
formal prediction.
And Randi's clock will still be ticking.
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Apr 2005 05:26:17 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 02:08:13 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:26:46 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
"Every sperm is sacred." The Vatican and fundy lawmakers team up to
deny contraceptives.
<snip>
I wonder what would happen if all the Catholics spoke up and said
that they won't be going to church and paying tithes until the
Vatican changes its stance on birth control?
The stance would swiftly change via a 'revelation from gawd.'
This pope or the next one will allow birth control to married couples as
long as the intent of the union is to reproduce.
Nothing new here and is a logical extension of the rhythm method which is
allowed and is clearly meant to avoid pregnancy.
I channeled this through one of the same people Sylvia Brown uses.
Just think. In no more than 10 or 20 years my prediction rate will either be
100% or it can be truthfully said that in all that time I only missed one
formal prediction.
And Randi's clock will still be ticking.
mirth.....
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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