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"Tervicz" |
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25 Dec 2005 05:10:15 AM |
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The world will end |
This is not religion. This is a scientific fact. Whether it's by the
impact of an astero=EFd, the death of our sun, or some other mayor event
the planet we live on and all life on it will come to an end. The human
race will be whipped off the face of the Earth if we stay put. So what
do we do?
Do we stay and hope some devine intervention comes and rescues us? Or
do we go ahead with science and try to find solutions ourselves? My
stance is with the latter and that we should try to spread life from
the Earth to save it. If we don't, then nothing of what we do or say
matters since all is lost anyway.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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25 Dec 2005 01:28:25 PM |
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"Tervicz" <tervicz@belgacom.net> wrote in news:1135509015.837654.29820
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
This is not religion. This is a scientific fact. Whether it's by the
impact of an asteroïd, the death of our sun, or some other mayor event
the planet we live on and all life on it will come to an end. The human
race will be whipped off the face of the Earth if we stay put. So what
do we do?
Do we stay and hope some devine intervention comes and rescues us? Or
do we go ahead with science and try to find solutions ourselves? My
stance is with the latter and that we should try to spread life from
the Earth to save it. If we don't, then nothing of what we do or say
matters since all is lost anyway.
You're telling me! Renee Zellweger & Kenny Chesney broke up.
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Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Keep THOR in THURSDAY!
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: The world will end |
25 Dec 2005 06:13:37 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:28:25 -0600, Doc Smartass wrote
(in article <Xns973789808C834askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>):
"Tervicz" <tervicz@belgacom.net> wrote in news:1135509015.837654.29820
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
This is not religion. This is a scientific fact. Whether it's by the
impact of an asteroïd, the death of our sun, or some other mayor event
the planet we live on and all life on it will come to an end. The human
race will be whipped off the face of the Earth if we stay put. So what
do we do?
Do we stay and hope some devine intervention comes and rescues us? Or
do we go ahead with science and try to find solutions ourselves? My
stance is with the latter and that we should try to spread life from
the Earth to save it. If we don't, then nothing of what we do or say
matters since all is lost anyway.
You're telling me! Renee Zellweger & Kenny Chesney broke up.
Who? (Never mind, I probably don't want to know.)
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
Don¹t forget your Decoder Weasel
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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25 Dec 2005 08:20:32 PM |
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Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in
news:0001HW.BFD491D10041CADCF0284550@news.central.cox.net:
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:28:25 -0600, Doc Smartass wrote
(in article <Xns973789808C834askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>):
"Tervicz" <tervicz@belgacom.net> wrote in news:1135509015.837654.29820
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
This is not religion. This is a scientific fact. Whether it's by the
impact of an asteroïd, the death of our sun, or some other mayor
event
the planet we live on and all life on it will come to an end. The
human
race will be whipped off the face of the Earth if we stay put. So
what
do we do?
Do we stay and hope some devine intervention comes and rescues us? Or
do we go ahead with science and try to find solutions ourselves? My
stance is with the latter and that we should try to spread life from
the Earth to save it. If we don't, then nothing of what we do or say
matters since all is lost anyway.
You're telling me! Renee Zellweger & Kenny Chesney broke up.
Who? (Never mind, I probably don't want to know.)
(it was a joke ;P~~~~~~ )
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Keep THOR in THURSDAY!
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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25 Dec 2005 08:00:02 AM |
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In alt.atheism, Tervicz
<tervicz@belgacom.net>
wrote
on 25 Dec 2005 03:10:15 -0800
<1135509015.837654.29820@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
This is not religion. This is a scientific fact. Whether it's by the
impact of an asteroïd, the death of our sun, or some other mayor event
the planet we live on and all life on it will come to an end. The human
race will be whipped off the face of the Earth if we stay put. So what
do we do?
Do we stay and hope some devine intervention comes and rescues us? Or
do we go ahead with science and try to find solutions ourselves? My
stance is with the latter and that we should try to spread life from
the Earth to save it. If we don't, then nothing of what we do or say
matters since all is lost anyway.
To be pedantic, the most probable death would be by slow
broiling, or fast broiling if we don't take care of global
warming, but even if we were to somehow compensate for the
increased CO2, the sun's insolation will increase until its
deathpoint, at which point it will bloat up nicely into a
red ball, either swallowing Earth (making most issues moot)
or frying it (because of the proximity of its relatively
cool surface).
Think warm thoughts this winter festival season. :-)
The good news is that we don't have to worry until about
AD 499,999,999 or thereabouts -- because of the insolation,
mostly; the Sun won't turn blood-colored until AD 4,699,999,999
or so. But it will be a little uncomfortable even before then.
My guess is that at some point we'll start harnessing
asteroids to orbit the Earth, and build gigantic space
stations. Water will be hoisted to these stations to be
used as propellant, fuel, and of course the usual things
such as washing (by that time NASA or equivalent will have
figured out the station's ecosystem).
At the appropriate time, some of the water will be expelled
to travel to Mars (heck, some of the water's been used
already to slow the danged asteroids *down*) -- or at
least into a rather lonely orbit a little farther out.
(It's not clear how much hard radiation is generated when
the nuclear cycle of a star the size of our Sun switches
from hydrogen to helium. Let's hope we know by then.)
No doubt churches will be built on those stations, too (grumble),
but at least humanity will survive in some form -- until the
Sun becomes a white dwarf and starts to cool, and the fuel,
presumably hydrogen, runs out on the stations.
If we're very lucky the stations might be able to harvest
the solar wind for more hydrogen and continue to run at
a very low power level, but they'll be stuck in orbit for
awhile, and the solar wind will eventually cease, as the
Sun has run out of hydrogen and helium to power the nuclear
furnace, and becomes "dark matter" -- along with a good
portion of its stellar neighbors, and the aforementioned
space stations. The air and water will then freeze, and
one can take one's choice of a decompressive blowout from
the water bursting the pipes, or hypothermia. The good
news there is that hypothermia occurs first, and one can
envision bulkheads to contain the explosions, if we
plan far enough ahead.
Not that it'll matter; the center of the station will get
very crowded. And we'll all go together when we go...
There is the faint possibility of some rather nightmarish
evolutionary trends, somewhat a la _The Time Machine_,
although the specifics are quite lacking and I doubt H. G.
Wells got it even close to right -- though it's a reasonably
good guess AFAICT. This of course makes for an obvious
station moniker: The Rabbit Hutches. :-)
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: The world will end |
25 Dec 2005 09:31:06 AM |
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On 25 Dec 2005 03:10:15 -0800, "Tervicz" <tervicz@belgacom.net> wrote:
This is not religion. This is a scientific fact. Whether it's by the
impact of an asteroïd, the death of our sun, or some other mayor event
the planet we live on and all life on it will come to an end. The human
race will be whipped off the face of the Earth if we stay put. So what
do we do?
Do we stay and hope some devine intervention comes and rescues us? Or
do we go ahead with science and try to find solutions ourselves? My
stance is with the latter and that we should try to spread life from
the Earth to save it. If we don't, then nothing of what we do or say
matters since all is lost anyway.
All will be lost regardless, with the eventual heat death of the
universe.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "" |
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26 Dec 2005 09:59:35 AM |
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Raven:
All will be lost regardless, with the eventual heat death of the
universe.
It will make a big difference tough
as far as I know nobody has yet mentioned a time-limit for our universe
(and my guess is we hardly have a clue yet)
The time limit for our sun is 4 to 8 billion years.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
December 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: The world will end |
27 Dec 2005 06:00:06 AM |
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<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1135612775.680595.43310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Raven:
All will be lost regardless, with the eventual heat death of the
universe.
It will make a big difference tough
as far as I know nobody has yet mentioned a time-limit for our universe
(and my guess is we hardly have a clue yet)
The time limit for our sun is 4 to 8 billion years.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
December 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Sorry I reckon we're all going to do ourselves in before then. We just
can't seem to get along
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| User: "Bill" |
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27 Dec 2005 09:39:57 AM |
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In the human time frame it is 'totally' irrelevant.
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
news:dorac6$58t$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1135612775.680595.43310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Raven:
All will be lost regardless, with the eventual heat death of the
universe.
It will make a big difference tough
as far as I know nobody has yet mentioned a time-limit for our universe
(and my guess is we hardly have a clue yet)
The time limit for our sun is 4 to 8 billion years.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
December 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Sorry I reckon we're all going to do ourselves in before then. We just
can't seem to get along
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Dec 2005 10:09:08 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:00:06 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1135612775.680595.43310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Raven:
All will be lost regardless, with the eventual heat death of the
universe.
It will make a big difference tough
as far as I know nobody has yet mentioned a time-limit for our universe
(and my guess is we hardly have a clue yet)
The time limit for our sun is 4 to 8 billion years.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
December 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Sorry I reckon we're all going to do ourselves in before then. We just
can't seem to get along
Thanks to superstition for a big part of the problem.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "kathryn" |
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27 Dec 2005 11:57:41 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:bop2r19kfs4s6qtmt2te2sr5vp30mf1jl0@4ax.com...
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:00:06 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1135612775.680595.43310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Raven:
All will be lost regardless, with the eventual heat death of the
universe.
It will make a big difference tough
as far as I know nobody has yet mentioned a time-limit for our universe
(and my guess is we hardly have a clue yet)
The time limit for our sun is 4 to 8 billion years.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
December 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Sorry I reckon we're all going to do ourselves in before then. We just
can't seem to get along
Thanks to superstition for a big part of the problem.
Why can't we all just love each other eh?
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| User: "stoney" |
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28 Dec 2005 02:10:09 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:57:41 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:bop2r19kfs4s6qtmt2te2sr5vp30mf1jl0@4ax.com...
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:00:06 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1135612775.680595.43310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Raven:
All will be lost regardless, with the eventual heat death of the
universe.
It will make a big difference tough
as far as I know nobody has yet mentioned a time-limit for our universe
(and my guess is we hardly have a clue yet)
The time limit for our sun is 4 to 8 billion years.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
December 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Sorry I reckon we're all going to do ourselves in before then. We just
can't seem to get along
Thanks to superstition for a big part of the problem.
Why can't we all just love each other eh?
Because it's against clergical self interest and cuts into their
prophet$$$$$$$. They'd have to do honest work for a change.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "" |
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02 Jan 2006 01:15:05 PM |
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kathryn schreef:
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1135612775.680595.43310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Raven:
All will be lost regardless, with the eventual heat death of the
universe.
It will make a big difference tough
as far as I know nobody has yet mentioned a time-limit for our universe
(and my guess is we hardly have a clue yet)
The time limit for our sun is 4 to 8 billion years.
Sorry I reckon we're all going to do ourselves in before then. We just
can't seem to get along
A, but I know that if we put our minds to it,
yes I know that we really can do it!
Have a happy - get along - New Year
Peter van Velzen
January 2006
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Dec 2005 11:25:55 AM |
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On 25 Dec 2005 03:10:15 -0800, "Tervicz" <tervicz@belgacom.net> wrote:
This is not religion. This is a scientific fact. Whether it's by the
impact of an asteroïd, the death of our sun, or some other mayor event
the planet we live on and all life on it will come to an end. The human
race will be whipped off the face of the Earth if we stay put. So what
do we do?
Do we stay and hope some devine intervention comes and rescues us? Or
do we go ahead with science and try to find solutions ourselves? My
stance is with the latter and that we should try to spread life from
the Earth to save it. If we don't, then nothing of what we do or say
matters since all is lost anyway.
Was there some point you were vainly trying to make, oh amoral one?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Tervicz" |
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25 Dec 2005 01:11:01 PM |
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My point is that it's in science and technology any hope to save
life,as it is and has been on Earth. Not in Religion. If stay sitting
on our butts waiting for some devine intervention time will catch us
and nothing will be left. Religion however tries to put a break on this
and even sabotage scientific research in order to preserve itself. If
they have their way, the annihilation of life on Earth is certain
without any chance of escape. And then of course any morality is
irrelevant. A paradox? If however science and technology are allowed to
progress then our behaviour and conduct are relevant since those that
come after us need to learn from it and progress even further
indefinitely.
If however we do choose for the conservative path, religion. Then there
will be no legacy, no memory. Life on Earth will end. That does not
mean the end of life however. As we speak new stars and planets are
forming. And on some of those planets the same chemecal processes that
produced life here on earth are occuring.
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Dec 2005 12:16:04 PM |
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On 25 Dec 2005 11:11:01 -0800, "Tervicz" <tervicz@belgacom.net> wrote:
My point is that it's in science and technology any hope to save
life,as it is and has been on Earth. Not in Religion. If stay sitting
on our butts waiting for some devine intervention time will catch us
and nothing will be left. Religion however tries to put a break on this
and even sabotage scientific research in order to preserve itself. If
they have their way, the annihilation of life on Earth is certain
without any chance of escape. And then of course any morality is
irrelevant.
Really? Please stay far away from children then with your irrelevant
morality.
A paradox? If however science and technology are allowed to
progress then our behaviour and conduct are relevant since those that
come after us need to learn from it and progress even further
indefinitely.
If however we do choose for the conservative path, religion. Then there
will be no legacy, no memory. Life on Earth will end. That does not
mean the end of life however. As we speak new stars and planets are
forming. And on some of those planets the same chemecal processes that
produced life here on earth are occuring.
It would be interesting to flip forward some several thousand years,
but I'm not sure how much or anything would be understood by an
ignorant barbarian.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "" |
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25 Dec 2005 07:00:03 AM |
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So you want (us) to live forever?
Please notice it will matter to me if it happens in my lifetime.
That this won't last any longer that four billion years or so,
really doesn't worry me too much.
In fact, I will be very happy if my actions, wil make a difference,
for a generation or two.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
December 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Hagar" |
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25 Dec 2005 02:06:05 PM |
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The scientific community will tackle the problem by designing space vehicles
which can carry us to safety, either to Mars or even some other Solar
System.
In the meantime, the Jesus Freaks will pray their heads off, begging Gawd to
save their ignorant asses. The meteorite will hit, or the expanding Sun
will swallow the Earth and fry their sorry souls to a crisp.
Thank Gawd.
"Tervicz" <tervicz@belgacom.net> wrote in message
news:1135509015.837654.29820@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This is not religion. This is a scientific fact. Whether it's by the
impact of an asteroïd, the death of our sun, or some other mayor event
the planet we live on and all life on it will come to an end. The human
race will be whipped off the face of the Earth if we stay put. So what
do we do?
Do we stay and hope some devine intervention comes and rescues us? Or
do we go ahead with science and try to find solutions ourselves? My
stance is with the latter and that we should try to spread life from
the Earth to save it. If we don't, then nothing of what we do or say
matters since all is lost anyway.
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Dec 2005 12:18:36 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 12:06:05 -0800, "Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote:
The scientific community will tackle the problem by designing space vehicles
which can carry us to safety, either to Mars or even some other Solar
System.
In the meantime, the Jesus Freaks will pray their heads off, begging Gawd to
save their ignorant asses. The meteorite will hit, or the expanding Sun
will swallow the Earth and fry their sorry souls to a crisp.
Thank Gawd.
Unfortunately some of the looney-tunes will escape to start their evil
all over again.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: The world will end |
25 Dec 2005 07:30:49 AM |
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in other news.....
we're all going to die
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| User: "" |
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26 Dec 2005 09:56:49 AM |
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That is not exactly what Tervicz is saying
He doesn't mean our individual death (which is obvious)
he means the extinction of the species (homo sapiens sapiens)
It is wothwhile considering wether we can/should prevent this
extiction,
which - without space-travel - seems inevitable.
Of course even with space-travel we might become extinct,
but It may make a few billion years difference.
He is in fact proposing the natural equivalent for "eternal life".
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
December 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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