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12 Nov 2005 09:12:55 AM |
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They found Goliath? |
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
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Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
The shard dates back to around 950 B.C., within 70 years of when
biblical chronology asserts David squared off against Goliath, making it
the oldest Philistine inscription ever found, the archaeologists said.
Scientists made the discovery at Tel es-Safi, a dig site in southern
Israel thought to be to be the location of the Philistine city of Gath.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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13 Nov 2005 03:41:45 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:12:55 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
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Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
Dumb fucks.
The shard dates back to around 950 B.C., within 70 years of when
biblical chronology asserts David squared off against Goliath, making it
the oldest Philistine inscription ever found, the archaeologists said.
Scientists made the discovery at Tel es-Safi, a dig site in southern
Israel thought to be to be the location of the Philistine city of Gath.
---
http://tinyurl.com/73q5x
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: They found Goliath? |
14 Nov 2005 12:31:43 AM |
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In article <hknen1l4rinafjch11so6f0ds5ak3bkmuj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:12:55 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
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Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
Dumb fucks.
These guys go out and dig around until they find some scrap that seems
to support what they set out to prove in the first place. Never mind any
negative evidence. For all we know it was an advertisement for Goliath
wine skins, or Goliath's butcher shop: "Fresh goat meat out specialty."
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Nov 2005 04:20:52 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:31:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <hknen1l4rinafjch11so6f0ds5ak3bkmuj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:12:55 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
---
Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
Dumb fucks.
These guys go out and dig around until they find some scrap that seems
to support what they set out to prove in the first place. Never mind any
negative evidence. For all we know it was an advertisement for Goliath
wine skins, or Goliath's butcher shop: "Fresh goat meat out specialty."
"Young fresh boys sold here."
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: They found Goliath? |
15 Nov 2005 06:26:03 AM |
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In article <maehn158iinouc9iok4aa6mqnl0thvbniv@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:31:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <hknen1l4rinafjch11so6f0ds5ak3bkmuj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:12:55 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
---
Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
Dumb fucks.
These guys go out and dig around until they find some scrap that seems
to support what they set out to prove in the first place. Never mind any
negative evidence. For all we know it was an advertisement for Goliath
wine skins, or Goliath's butcher shop: "Fresh goat meat out specialty."
"Young fresh boys sold here."
Holy cow! You mean goliath was a priest?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Nov 2005 12:34:26 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:26:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <maehn158iinouc9iok4aa6mqnl0thvbniv@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:31:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <hknen1l4rinafjch11so6f0ds5ak3bkmuj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:12:55 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
---
Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
Dumb fucks.
These guys go out and dig around until they find some scrap that seems
to support what they set out to prove in the first place. Never mind any
negative evidence. For all we know it was an advertisement for Goliath
wine skins, or Goliath's butcher shop: "Fresh goat meat out specialty."
"Young fresh boys sold here."
Holy cow! You mean goliath was a priest?
He was a big boy.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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16 Nov 2005 06:16:18 AM |
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In article <1kvkn1lq6v59911v339slgh0unuccvpc5o@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:26:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <maehn158iinouc9iok4aa6mqnl0thvbniv@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:31:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <hknen1l4rinafjch11so6f0ds5ak3bkmuj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:12:55 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
---
Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the
Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's
tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle
was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at
Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story
reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath
with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the
scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
Dumb fucks.
These guys go out and dig around until they find some scrap that seems
to support what they set out to prove in the first place. Never mind any
negative evidence. For all we know it was an advertisement for Goliath
wine skins, or Goliath's butcher shop: "Fresh goat meat out specialty."
"Young fresh boys sold here."
Holy cow! You mean goliath was a priest?
He was a big boy.
I see. He ran 'Goliath's Big Boy Goatburgers'.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Nov 2005 03:59:09 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:16:18 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <1kvkn1lq6v59911v339slgh0unuccvpc5o@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:26:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <maehn158iinouc9iok4aa6mqnl0thvbniv@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:31:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <hknen1l4rinafjch11so6f0ds5ak3bkmuj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:12:55 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
---
Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the
Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's
tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle
was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at
Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story
reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath
with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the
scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
Dumb fucks.
These guys go out and dig around until they find some scrap that seems
to support what they set out to prove in the first place. Never mind any
negative evidence. For all we know it was an advertisement for Goliath
wine skins, or Goliath's butcher shop: "Fresh goat meat out specialty."
"Young fresh boys sold here."
Holy cow! You mean goliath was a priest?
He was a big boy.
I see. He ran 'Goliath's Big Boy Goatburgers'.
And he stuffed each goatburger personally with secret sauce.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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14 Nov 2005 02:07:04 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:31:43 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-75BD59.16314313112005@news.giganews.com>):
In article <hknen1l4rinafjch11so6f0ds5ak3bkmuj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:12:55 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
---
Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
Dumb fucks.
These guys go out and dig around until they find some scrap that seems
to support what they set out to prove in the first place. Never mind any
negative evidence. For all we know it was an advertisement for Goliath
wine skins, or Goliath's butcher shop: "Fresh goat meat out specialty."
I would guess that the last is still around, now known as Big Boy Burgers.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
łNo gods were physically harmed during the making of this post. However
nothing was in the contract about emotional or psychological harm.˛
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15 Nov 2005 06:27:16 AM |
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In article <0001HW.BF9DF628004BCE8EF0284550@news.central.cox.net>,
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:31:43 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-75BD59.16314313112005@news.giganews.com>):
In article <hknen1l4rinafjch11so6f0ds5ak3bkmuj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:12:55 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
---
Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
Dumb fucks.
These guys go out and dig around until they find some scrap that seems
to support what they set out to prove in the first place. Never mind any
negative evidence. For all we know it was an advertisement for Goliath
wine skins, or Goliath's butcher shop: "Fresh goat meat out specialty."
I would guess that the last is still around, now known as Big Boy Burgers.
"The Breakfast of Philistine Champions!"
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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12 Nov 2005 04:27:57 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet johac
(jhachm@ixpres.remove.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
I wonder what would happen if 30th century archaeologists found a shard of
a Darth Vader mug?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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13 Nov 2005 07:42:53 AM |
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In article <Xns970C561E63EDAvicman@216.196.97.136>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet johac
(jhachm@ixpres.remove.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
I wonder what would happen if 30th century archaeologists found a shard of
a Darth Vader mug?
"Hey look guys! Back then they worshipped the Force!"
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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12 Nov 2005 04:32:12 PM |
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In our last episode,
<Xns970C561E63EDAvicman@216.196.97.136>,
the lovely and talented Uncle Vic
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet johac
(jhachm@ixpres.remove.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
I wonder what would happen if 30th century archaeologists found a shard of
a Darth Vader mug?
Hey, they found Troy just about where Homer said it would be.
This proves that Zeus is the one true skydaddy.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, UCL http://www.larseighner.com/
The Mint Jelly of God® -- The World's Best Atheist -- Unholier Than Thou
First Church of Electro-Baptism ***Atheist #1965*** One Short Circuit to Jesus
"I thank heaven for a man like Adolf Hitler" --Frank Buchman, U.S. evangelist
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| User: "dimbulb" |
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12 Nov 2005 05:29:51 PM |
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So?
Even if Goliath existed, big deal.
Even if Jesus existed, big deal.
So what if there was a Great Flood?
..... none of it is evidence that God exists.
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:12:55 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
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Finding Said to Boost Proof of Goliath
Fri Nov 11, 9:50 AM ET
Archaeologists digging at the purported biblical home of Goliath have
unearthed a shard of pottery bearing an inscription of the Philistine's
name, a find they claimed lends historical credence to the Bible's tale
of David's battle with the giant.
While the discovery is not definitive evidence of Goliath's existence,
it does support the Bible's depiction of life at the time the battle was
supposed to have occurred, said Dr. Aren Maeir, a professor at Bar-Ilan
University and director of the excavation.
"What this means is that at the time there were people there named
Goliath," he said. "It shows us that David and Goliath's story reflects
the cultural reality of the time." In the story, David slew Goliath with
a slingshot.
Some scholars assert the story of David slaying the giant Goliath is a
myth written down hundreds of years later. Maeir said finding the scraps
lends historical credence to the biblical story.
The shard dates back to around 950 B.C., within 70 years of when
biblical chronology asserts David squared off against Goliath, making it
the oldest Philistine inscription ever found, the archaeologists said.
Scientists made the discovery at Tel es-Safi, a dig site in southern
Israel thought to be to be the location of the Philistine city of Gath.
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http://tinyurl.com/73q5x
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13 Nov 2005 07:41:27 AM |
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In article <4c9cn15esiu3fequ6nganoqhuofrl0o776@4ax.com>,
dimbulb <xyz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
So?
Even if Goliath existed, big deal.
Even if Jesus existed, big deal.
So what if there was a Great Flood?
.... none of it is evidence that God exists.
There is scant evidence that the biblical Goliath or Jesus existed ,
There is no evidence that a world wide flood ever happened, and I am
aware of no evidence for the existence of a god.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "thomas p" |
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13 Nov 2005 12:20:57 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:41:27 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <4c9cn15esiu3fequ6nganoqhuofrl0o776@4ax.com>,
dimbulb <xyz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
So?
Even if Goliath existed, big deal.
Even if Jesus existed, big deal.
So what if there was a Great Flood?
.... none of it is evidence that God exists.
There is scant evidence that the biblical Goliath or Jesus existed ,
There is no evidence that a world wide flood ever happened, and I am
aware of no evidence for the existence of a god.
We could ask Duke to make sure.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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12 Nov 2005 01:45:34 PM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
What language is the name written in?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "johac" |
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13 Nov 2005 07:59:56 AM |
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In article <o3sbn1tandqs0lh20op2l7v2l9jn3n5bjj@4ax.com>,
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can see
the fundies going crazy over this.
What language is the name written in?
The article didn't say. Does anyone know which language the Philistines
spoke?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2005 02:10:32 PM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can
see the fundies going crazy over this.
What language is the name written in?
The article didn't say. Does anyone know which language the Philistines
spoke?
Which language they "wrote" is the question. I've seen all kinds of
shows and read articles which say the Philistines didn't actually have
a written language of their own, and that's why they supposedly
disappeared into obscurity.
From what I've learned, the Philistines and Palestinians are the same
people, so they didn't really disappear at all, they just didn't have
some national official written language that made them completely
unique from all the other people in the area.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Nov 2005 03:32:20 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:3qhen15svqg7e7gcpne24jr2cesnish5kb@4ax.com:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can
see the fundies going crazy over this.
What language is the name written in?
The article didn't say. Does anyone know which language the
Philistines spoke?
Which language they "wrote" is the question. I've seen all kinds of
shows and read articles which say the Philistines didn't actually have
a written language of their own, and that's why they supposedly
disappeared into obscurity.
From what I've learned, the Philistines and Palestinians are the same
people, so they didn't really disappear at all, they just didn't have
some national official written language that made them completely
unique from all the other people in the area.
Can you document that they are the same people?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2005 08:46:40 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can
see the fundies going crazy over this.
What language is the name written in?
The article didn't say. Does anyone know which language the
Philistines spoke?
Which language they "wrote" is the question. I've seen all kinds of
shows and read articles which say the Philistines didn't actually have
a written language of their own, and that's why they supposedly
disappeared into obscurity.
From what I've learned, the Philistines and Palestinians are the same
people, so they didn't really disappear at all, they just didn't have
some national official written language that made them completely
unique from all the other people in the area.
Can you document that they are the same people?
Depends on what you'd accept as documentation. :)
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Nov 2005 09:02:35 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:9d9fn1lsh1pvnmbqi2hjn2oreb6eitaf52@4ax.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I wonder how many people were named 'Goliath' at that time? I can
see the fundies going crazy over this.
What language is the name written in?
The article didn't say. Does anyone know which language the
Philistines spoke?
Which language they "wrote" is the question. I've seen all kinds of
shows and read articles which say the Philistines didn't actually
have a written language of their own, and that's why they supposedly
disappeared into obscurity.
From what I've learned, the Philistines and Palestinians are the
same people, so they didn't really disappear at all, they just
didn't have some national official written language that made them
completely unique from all the other people in the area.
Can you document that they are the same people?
Depends on what you'd accept as documentation. :)
Show me what you've got and I'll let you know. :-)
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2005 09:52:26 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
From what I've learned, the Philistines and Palestinians are the
same people, so they didn't really disappear at all, they just
didn't have some national official written language that made them
completely unique from all the other people in the area.
Can you document that they are the same people?
Depends on what you'd accept as documentation. :)
Show me what you've got and I'll let you know. :-)
For starters:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=palestine&searchmode=none
"from L. Palestina (name of a Roman province), from Gk. Palaistine
(Herodotus), from Heb. Pelesheth "Philistia, land of the Philistines."
I think trying to prove that the Philistines simply vanished from
history is like trying to prove the native Americans also vanished
from history after the europeans got here. We killed a lot of them
but they're still around.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Bear" |
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13 Nov 2005 09:56:23 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" wrote
: I think trying to prove that the Philistines simply vanished from
: history is like trying to prove the native Americans also vanished
: from history after the europeans got here. We killed a lot of them
: but they're still around.
And don't you ever forget it!
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2005 10:02:08 PM |
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Bear <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in alt.atheism
"Elroy Willis" wrote
: I think trying to prove that the Philistines simply vanished from
: history is like trying to prove the native Americans also vanished
: from history after the europeans got here. We killed a lot of them
: but they're still around.
And don't you ever forget it!
You one of them, I take it?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Bear" |
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13 Nov 2005 10:21:48 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" wrote
: Bear wrote in alt.atheism
: > "Elroy Willis" wrote
: > : I think trying to prove that the Philistines simply vanished from
: > : history is like trying to prove the native Americans also vanished
: > : from history after the europeans got here. We killed a lot of them
: > : but they're still around.
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: > And don't you ever forget it!
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: You one of them, I take it?
I'm certainly not a Philistine. I guess that leaves Native American.
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2005 10:25:41 PM |
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Bear <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote
: Bear wrote in alt.atheism
: > "Elroy Willis" wrote
: > : I think trying to prove that the Philistines simply vanished from
: > : history is like trying to prove the native Americans also vanished
: > : from history after the europeans got here. We killed a lot of them
: > : but they're still around.
: > And don't you ever forget it!
: You one of them, I take it?
I'm certainly not a Philistine. I guess that leaves Native American.
Which tribe?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Bear" |
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13 Nov 2005 10:32:27 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" wrote
: Bear wrote in
: > Elroy Willis wrote
: >: Bear wrote in alt.atheism
: >: > "Elroy Willis" wrote
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: >: > : I think trying to prove that the Philistines simply vanished from
: >: > : history is like trying to prove the native Americans also vanished
: >: > : from history after the europeans got here. We killed a lot of them
: >: > : but they're still around.
:
: >: > And don't you ever forget it!
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: >: You one of them, I take it?
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: > I'm certainly not a Philistine. I guess that leaves Native American.
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: Which tribe?
Shawnee.
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Nov 2005 11:04:29 PM |
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Bear <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote
: Bear wrote in
: > Elroy Willis wrote
: >: Bear wrote in alt.atheism
: >: > "Elroy Willis" wrote
: >: > : I think trying to prove that the Philistines simply vanished from
: >: > : history is like trying to prove the native Americans also vanished
: >: > : from history after the europeans got here. We killed a lot of them
: >: > : but they're still around.
: >: > And don't you ever forget it!
: >: You one of them, I take it?
: > I'm certainly not a Philistine. I guess that leaves Native American.
: Which tribe?
Shawnee.
Did the Shawnee have a unique written language and alphabet before the
European invaders arrived?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Bear" |
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13 Nov 2005 11:10:19 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" wrote
: Bear wrote
: > Elroy Willis wrote
: >: Bear wrote in
: >: > Elroy Willis wrote
: >: >: Bear wrote
: >: >: > "Elroy Willis" wrote
:
: >: >: > : I think trying to prove that the Philistines simply vanished
from
: >: >: > : history is like trying to prove the native Americans also
vanished
: >: >: > : from history after the europeans got here. We killed a lot of
them
: >: >: > : but they're still around.
:
: >: >: > And don't you ever forget it!
:
: >: >: You one of them, I take it?
:
: >: > I'm certainly not a Philistine. I guess that leaves Native American.
:
: >: Which tribe?
:
: > Shawnee.
:
: Did the Shawnee have a unique written language and alphabet before the
: European invaders arrived?
Shawnee are of the Algonquian language.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Nov 2005 10:36:54 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:pccfn1t57b80s15h4kiod6qdnn7ejlsjr7@4ax.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
From what I've learned, the Philistines and Palestinians are the
same people, so they didn't really disappear at all, they just
didn't have some national official written language that made them
completely unique from all the other people in the area.
Can you document that they are the same people?
Depends on what you'd accept as documentation. :)
Show me what you've got and I'll let you know. :-)
For starters:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=palestine&searchmode=none
"from L. Palestina (name of a Roman province), from Gk. Palaistine
(Herodotus), from Heb. Pelesheth "Philistia, land of the Philistines."
That shows where the name of the region comes from.
I think trying to prove that the Philistines simply vanished from
history is like trying to prove the native Americans also vanished
from history after the europeans got here. We killed a lot of them
but they're still around.
I'd say it's closer to proving what happened to the Uruks or the
Cretans. Then there's the fact that the Arabs who currently occupy the
land are descendants of nomads who had no fixed address. If there *are*
some of the native inhabitants left, they're descended from the
Canaanites, which is probably also true of the Jews.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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