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User: "Kenny"
Date: 02 Apr 2005 10:41:49 PM
Object: They prayed for a miracle...but...
They prayed for the pope, hoping for a miracle to happen. But nothing
happened. That just about says it all. Also...the pope developed all
these crippling ailments at the end. Now....is this a deserving
'reward' for somebody that did a 'lot' of things for his 'master'? I
guess not. But....I'm sure that christians will do the usual thing by
twisting what they see into something that makes 'sense' for
them.....that is, they say that he needed to endure these hardships for
a 'reason' (but obviously there was no reason really).
And one more thing .... since 'god' is supposed to be very powerful,
but he/she/it did not stop the tsunami and the deaths of more than 100
thousand people....then that should at least raise a few eyebrows among
the theist community.
But one thing that theists always turns a blind eye against ... is that
their god is supposed to be all-knowing, perfect planning, and perfect
designing. Thus when the whole universe was not even yet made, 'god'
was supposed to be hanging around. And though the whole universe was
not yet made at that time, 'god' already knew every single future
MECHANICAL ACTION for the 'future' universe. Why? It's because god is
supposed to be all-knowing. And as extra over-kill, god is supposed to
be a perfect planner and perfect designer. Therefore every single thing
that god makes will do exactly what god planned and knew in ADVANCE, in
terms of every future mechanical action. Thus if every future
mechanical action for the product is already known BEFORE the product
is even made, then the future actions of the product is actually due to
god's own pre-made choices. The actions of the 'devil' (which is also
god's own product) were completely known by god, because 'god' planned
and designed those actions perfectly (before the devil was even made).
So....you can easily say that a all-knowing creator that has
perfect-designing skills and perfect-planning skills can never create a
product that can do anything unexpected (in the view of the
creator)...because the mechanical actions of the product were known and
planned and designed by the creator in advance of the product's
creation. Thus the product will have no flaws in terms of it's future
purpose. And terms like 'sin', 'good', 'bad', 'judgement day' etc will
be completely irrelevant if theists truly believe that their god is
all-knowing, perfect planning, and perfect designing.
But the problem is that theists don't understand their most basic of
teachings....(ie god is supposed to be all-knowing, perfect planning,
and perfect designing). And they don't understand that such a god can
not create a product that can do something different than what god had
already chose in terms of the product's mechanical movements (otherwise
god wouldn't be all-knowing, and perfect planning). The theists don't
realise that their god should theoretically know all future mechanical
actions for god's product (humans, earth, devil etc) before anything is
even around....and thus there really is no point to create anything
just to see what will happen...because the result is already known in
advance. Thus, there's no way that an all-knowing, perfect-planning and
perfect-designing god could get upset or angry about it's own
perfectly-known and perfectly-planned product. Thus judgement day is
irrelevant, and the whole discussion about sin and judgement day has
been a complete waste of time. Where the christians go wrong is
obvious. They don't begin from the fundamental attributes (all-knowing,
perfect planning etc) belonging to their god to discover that a creator
with such combined attributes can never make a flawed product. Instead
the christians skip all of this and go along on their merry way to
conjure up a whole bunch of massive contradictions (ie conjure up a
whole bunch of irrelevant stuff). I say....sorry christians, but you
have to start from the fundamentals...and to jump the gun beyond these
fundamentals is the equivalent of a demonstration in pure ignorance.
An all-knowing, perfect planning, and perfect designing entity can only
make a product that has all future mechanical actions known in advance,
and those future mechanical actions are chosen by the
creator....because the product isn't even around to choose anything at
the time of the product's conception. This is VERY simple to
understand. It's just too bad that a lot of christians don't understand
something as straight forward as that.
.

User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 02 Apr 2005 11:20:33 PM
"Kenny" <kenny_tm_leong@yahoo.com> wrote

They prayed for the pope, hoping for a miracle to happen.

Really? What were their names?
.
User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 03 Apr 2005 02:38:21 AM
On 02 Apr 2005, JTEM dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:


"Kenny" <kenny_tm_leong@yahoo.com> wrote

They prayed for the pope, hoping for a miracle to happen.


Really? What were their names?




Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 03 Apr 2005 04:27:34 AM
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote

Really? What were their names?

Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice.

Exactly. Morons are assuring us that they have intimate
knowledge regarding the thoughts of imaginary people,
and nobody here has called them on it.
.
User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 03 Apr 2005 04:57:58 AM
On 02 Apr 2005, JTEM dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:


"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote

Really? What were their names?


Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice.


Exactly. Morons are assuring us that they have intimate
knowledge regarding the thoughts of imaginary people,
and nobody here has called them on it.




Oh, you thought I meant the characters from that movie, didn't you?
Typical religious nutcake. Thinks nobody else could have those names.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.



User: "Kenny"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 03 Apr 2005 02:53:40 AM
Their names? No idea. If you saw the news leading up the the pope's
final days, masses of christians prayed in front of that church where
the pope usually talks to everybody...from that window.
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 03 Apr 2005 04:29:52 AM
"Kenny" <kenny_tm_leong@yahoo.com> wrote

Their names? No idea.

And yet you know their thoughts. Or, at least that's what
you were pretending.

If you saw the news leading up the the pope's final
days, masses of christians prayed in front of that
church where the pope usually talks to everybody...
from that window.

And you just decided that they all must've been asking
for some kind of medical miracle?
What, are you supposed to be some kind of deity?
.
User: "Kenny"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 03 Apr 2005 10:20:30 AM
No, you dum dum ..... it was reported on the news that they were
praying for a miracle to occur. Of the medical miracle type.
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 03 Apr 2005 11:22:06 AM
"Kenny" <kenny_tm_leong@yahoo.com> wrote

No, you dum dum ..... it was reported on the news
that they were praying for a miracle to occur. Of
the medical miracle type.

Thanks, but was it really worth getting snot all over
your keyboard just to type that?
.
User: "Kenny Leong"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 04 Apr 2005 08:53:38 PM
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2cidnVQH8PF7UtLfRVn-gQ@comcast.com>...

"Kenny" <kenny_tm_leong@yahoo.com> wrote

No, you dum dum ..... it was reported on the news
that they were praying for a miracle to occur. Of
the medical miracle type.


Thanks, but was it really worth getting snot all over
your keyboard just to type that?

Ok....I'll take back what I said if it was a misunderstanding. And now
I have to get some antibacterial palmolive to wipe my keyboard all
because of that.
.



User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 03 Apr 2005 05:00:49 AM
On 02 Apr 2005, JTEM dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:


"Kenny" <kenny_tm_leong@yahoo.com> wrote

Their names? No idea.


And yet you know their thoughts. Or, at least that's what
you were pretending.

If you saw the news leading up the the pope's final
days, masses of christians prayed in front of that
church where the pope usually talks to everybody...
from that window.


And you just decided that they all must've been asking
for some kind of medical miracle?

What, are you supposed to be some kind of deity?

No, they were hoping to see their hero emerge at the godwindow, despite
his obvious health problems.
Sheep will be sheep.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 03 Apr 2005 05:50:07 AM
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote

No, they were hoping to see their hero emerge at
the godwindow, despite his obvious health problems.

Thanks, but I was hoping for something rooted here in
reality, and not your jerking knee.
.




User: "Kenny"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 02 Apr 2005 11:17:20 PM
Their names? No ideal. If you saw the news leading up the the pope's
final days, masses of christians prayed in front of that church where
the pope usually talks to everybody...from that window.
.


User: "Clayton Bush City Limits"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 02 Apr 2005 11:04:10 PM
"Kenny" <kenny_tm_leong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112481709.019532.186280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

They prayed for the pope, hoping for a miracle to happen. But nothing
happened. That just about says it all. Also...the pope developed all
these crippling ailments at the end. Now....is this a deserving
'reward' for somebody that did a 'lot' of things for his 'master'? I
guess not. But....I'm sure that christians will do the usual thing by
twisting what they see into something that makes 'sense' for
them.....that is, they say that he needed to endure these hardships for
a 'reason' (but obviously there was no reason really).

They already have...it's so he could share "the suffering and passion of
Christ"!


And one more thing .... since 'god' is supposed to be very powerful,
but he/she/it did not stop the tsunami and the deaths of more than 100
thousand people....then that should at least raise a few eyebrows among
the theist community.

But one thing that theists always turns a blind eye against ... is that
their god is supposed to be all-knowing, perfect planning, and perfect
designing. Thus when the whole universe was not even yet made, 'god'
was supposed to be hanging around. And though the whole universe was
not yet made at that time, 'god' already knew every single future
MECHANICAL ACTION for the 'future' universe. Why? It's because god is
supposed to be all-knowing. And as extra over-kill, god is supposed to
be a perfect planner and perfect designer. Therefore every single thing
that god makes will do exactly what god planned and knew in ADVANCE, in
terms of every future mechanical action. Thus if every future
mechanical action for the product is already known BEFORE the product
is even made, then the future actions of the product is actually due to
god's own pre-made choices. The actions of the 'devil' (which is also
god's own product) were completely known by god, because 'god' planned
and designed those actions perfectly (before the devil was even made).
So....you can easily say that a all-knowing creator that has
perfect-designing skills and perfect-planning skills can never create a
product that can do anything unexpected (in the view of the
creator)...because the mechanical actions of the product were known and
planned and designed by the creator in advance of the product's
creation. Thus the product will have no flaws in terms of it's future
purpose. And terms like 'sin', 'good', 'bad', 'judgement day' etc will
be completely irrelevant if theists truly believe that their god is
all-knowing, perfect planning, and perfect designing.

But the problem is that theists don't understand their most basic of
teachings....(ie god is supposed to be all-knowing, perfect planning,
and perfect designing). And they don't understand that such a god can
not create a product that can do something different than what god had
already chose in terms of the product's mechanical movements (otherwise
god wouldn't be all-knowing, and perfect planning). The theists don't
realise that their god should theoretically know all future mechanical
actions for god's product (humans, earth, devil etc) before anything is
even around....and thus there really is no point to create anything
just to see what will happen...because the result is already known in
advance. Thus, there's no way that an all-knowing, perfect-planning and
perfect-designing god could get upset or angry about it's own
perfectly-known and perfectly-planned product. Thus judgement day is
irrelevant, and the whole discussion about sin and judgement day has
been a complete waste of time. Where the christians go wrong is
obvious. They don't begin from the fundamental attributes (all-knowing,
perfect planning etc) belonging to their god to discover that a creator
with such combined attributes can never make a flawed product. Instead
the christians skip all of this and go along on their merry way to
conjure up a whole bunch of massive contradictions (ie conjure up a
whole bunch of irrelevant stuff). I say....sorry christians, but you
have to start from the fundamentals...and to jump the gun beyond these
fundamentals is the equivalent of a demonstration in pure ignorance.

An all-knowing, perfect planning, and perfect designing entity can only
make a product that has all future mechanical actions known in advance,
and those future mechanical actions are chosen by the
creator....because the product isn't even around to choose anything at
the time of the product's conception. This is VERY simple to
understand. It's just too bad that a lot of christians don't understand
something as straight forward as that.

.
User: "Kenny"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 02 Apr 2005 11:05:47 PM
Oh yeah...true. And the interesting thing is that they fail to
understand that suffering and passion etc is irrelevant and
contradictory when it comes to products created by a all-knowing,
perfect-designing, and perfect planner.
.

User: "Kenny"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 02 Apr 2005 11:10:13 PM
Oh yeah...true. And the interesting thing is that they fail to
understand that suffering and passion etc is irrelevant and
contradictory when it comes to products created by a all-knowing,
perfect-designing, and perfect planning entity.
.


User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: They prayed for a miracle...but... 03 Apr 2005 02:37:17 AM
On 02 Apr 2005, Kenny dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

They prayed for the pope, hoping for a miracle to happen. But nothing
happened.

Then he died, god's will be done. Lunatics, all of them.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.


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